Momak ti si teski crnjak, toliko pesimizma nije nikako dobro za zdravlje.pita wrote:eVO...CEKAM ARGUMENTe.
SREBRENICA JE BILA GET0...PA JE NESTALA
SADA SU Muslimani na 30% terotirije u getu
i neka mi neko da argumente da necemo nestati!!!
Evo samo za tebezaha wrote:kako si samo retardiran... nisi svjestan....
Gdje si skinuo ovaj clanak? hitno mi je potreban!dallton wrote:evo ako ce vam sta biti lakse (u sto sumnjam)
A passport to division
By Tobias Heider
15.07.2009 / 14:58 CET
If approved, the European Commission's new visa regime would deepen the ethnic divide in Bosnia.
The European Commission today publicly presented plans recommending that Serbian, Montenegrin and Macedonian citizens be allowed to travel into the EU without visas from January 2010. Carriers of Bosnian, Albanian and Kosovar passports will, though, still have to buy visas.
The Commission's position on Albania is understandable: it has not transformed its system as much as Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia have. So too is the reluctance about Kosovo, since not all 27 member states have recognised Kosovo as a state. But why should Bosnia and Herzegovina not benefit from visa liberalisation?
It is certainly not because Bosnians might migrate or seek asylum. Virtually no Bosnians now apply for asylum in the EU. By contrast, a sizable number of Serbs applied for asylum in the first half of 2009 (around 2.5% of total applications in Germany, for example).
But that is not the Commission's reasoning: its recommendation is based on Bosnia's failure to meet all “technical” requirements. This is a shallow argument.
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The reality is that a decision to allow visa-free access is a fundamentally political act
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For a visa-free regime system to operate, what matters most is the quality of travel documents. Bosnia introduced machine-readable passports some years ago, before its neighbours did. On 1 July, it began issuing biometric passports, a little after Serbia but before some EU countries. Nor has a lack of biometric passports stopped the EU granting Mexicans and Hondurans visa-free entry.
What of the other technical requirements? In relative terms, Bosnia appears unfairly treated. Serbia has not passed and implemented all these requirements, and experts agree that in legislative, administrative and technical terms the gap between Serbia and Bosnia is narrow.
Nor, in absolute terms, does an argument based on technical requirements have much justification. Before granting it visa-free status, the Commission wants Bosnia, among other things, to reform its legal-aid system, adopt money-laundering and anti-discrimination legislation and establish an anti-corruption body. These are worthy causes. They are certainly necessary for EU accession and, later, for membership of the ‘passport-free' Schengen zone. But they have little or no direct connection to the core issue of a visa-free regime: whether ordinary citizens of another country should be able to cross your border with a passport but without a visa.
The reality is that a decision to allow visa-free access is a fundamentally political act. Certainly, the political motivation in the case of Serbia is clear: before Serbia's parliamentary elections in May 2008, EU foreign ministers indicated that they would reward a pro-European vote with a visa-free regime.
That political rationale was sound. In Bosnia's case, though, the EU's politics is bad.
Firstly, the Commission's new visa regime will exacerbate the problems of ethnic separation in Bosnia. Virtually all of Bosnia's Croats have Croatian passports and can therefore already travel to the EU without visas. Since 2008, Serbia has been issuing Bosnia's Serbs with Serbian passports; many will now be able to move freely around the EU. That means that travel restrictions will overwhelming affect Bosniaks (mainly Muslim Bosnians), the majority of the Bosnian population. The EU's new policy will therefore exclude and discriminate against one part of Bosnia's population. Even worse, this discrimination will effectively be on ethnic grounds, playing into the hands of nationalists.
Secondly, it is unjust. The primary reasons why the EU's technical stipulations have not all been met as yet are delays and blockages to the passage of legislation by the Bosnian Serb leadership in the Serb-dominated Republika Srpska. But because Bosnian Serbs have – or can have – dual citizenship with Serbia, the Republika Srpska's leadership will not have to pay any political cost for its obstructionism.
Morally, the symbolism of the new visa regime could barely be worse: three days ago, thousands of people mourned the slaughter of 8,000 or more Bosniaks killed at Srebrenica.
This will worsen attitudes towards the EU. Many Bosniaks will see this as the EU repeating mistakes it made in the war – helping political extremists to legalise and institutionalise ethnic division in Bosnia. In spring 1992, a European Community peace conference led to José Cutileiro and Peter Carrington proposing constitutional reform in Bosnia based on three ethnic cantons, a move accepted but later rejected by Bosniaks, who wanted to preserve a unitary and multiethnic system. Later, that idea of a Union of three ethnic republics was taken up by the EU's representative, David Owen.
The West made those proposals under the pressure of war; there is not that pressure now. In the wake of the war, much of the EU's political and historical responsibility has been to lessen the ethnic divide. In this case, it is effectively increasing the divide, for reasons that are hard to justify. The effect will be to weaken its influence in Bosnia: its policy in Bosnia can only be effective if its carrots and sticks are credible. Technical issues do remain, but those can be dealt with separately, through, for instance, a monitoring mechanism such as that already used for Serbia and Montenegro.
Politically, the reasoning for the EU should have been simple: Bosnia does not warrant different treatment from its neighbours, and Bosniaks should not be treated differently from Bosnia's Croats and Serbs. The question now is whether EU foreign ministers will undo the damage done today by the Commission.
Pa to je bilo jasno od prvog momenta kada je Alija krenuo da pravi fildzan drzavu. Nama je trebao mlad i sposoban covjek od formata, a ne dedo kome je mjesto bilo pored Sebilja da hrani golubove i da ide na namaz, a ne u predsjednistvu. Eventualno, mogao je da bude i u kucnom pritvoru, da pojavom ne smeta. Da NIMBO FIZICKI ne smeta, nesto kao kumuloninbus ispred mora koga je strah velike vode.pita wrote:eVO...CEKAM ARGUMENTe.
SREBRENICA JE BILA GET0...PA JE NESTALA
SADA SU Muslimani na 30% terotirije u getu
i neka mi neko da argumente da necemo nestati!!!
>>> http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/20 ... 65499.aspxjefferson wrote:....
Gdje si skinuo ovaj clanak? hitno mi je potreban!
Ma ko ce me ubjediti da ovo sto se desilo s vizama nije getoizacija muslimana slazem se pojedinim ovdje da su nasi politicari krivi ali koji to politicari i koji politicari su zautavili reforme zarad nacijonalnog šatro interesa ili se pravimo ludi ko ovi kvazi EUROPEJCI koji jos uvijek neznaju ko blokira pricese u BiH , a pritom ce sad svi pohrliti uzeti Srbijanke pasose (svi hrvati imaju-Hrvatske putovnice)sad je stvarno tesko odgonetnuti ko je ostao na cjedilu odnosno u GETU!!! Oli Solana i svi kvazi EUROPEJCI sjetim vam se mame (po)cesto 
Ovo je nagrada Srbiji a bogme i Crnoj Gori za zlocine u Srebrenici i neizrucenje Mladica i Hadjica.P.S. Sad nek me banuju ako hoce ali sam istreso ono sto sam imao... 
Fali ti koja tocka...zarezjalija s bistrika wrote:"Jutarnji" je kralj ba
Gdje ti vidis fanatike, i tebe k`o onog solanu spucala fatamorgana?MmeDeLafayette wrote:administracija... de sklanjajte ove fanatike odavdje.
ak to leti na moj prijedolog.MmeDeLafayette wrote:administracija... de sklanjajte ove fanatike odavdje.
Ma dobro, slazem se kakva Kina i Indija, sumnjam da znaju gdje se i nalazimo na mapi. Sto se tice okretanja Evropi, pa okrenuliMmeDeLafayette wrote:nisi ti dobro... pa hajd ti na istok ako zelis, pusti nas da se okrecemo ka evropi
jao boze sacuvaj sta sve glava moze zamisliti to je cudo jedno
Zbog čega onda kukanje zbog viza,pita wrote: napisao sam grubo...poruka je: okrenimo ledja licemjernoj eu i trazimo partnere u kini, indiji, arapskim drzavama...etc
Imas clanak gore koji tvrdi da je EU ukinula vize Meksiku i Hondurasu!MmeDeLafayette wrote:nisi ti dobro... pa hajd ti na istok ako zelis, pusti nas da se okrecemo ka evropi
jao boze sacuvaj sta sve glava moze zamisliti to je cudo jedno
A ti jedva docekao da na klasicnu segu uletis klizeci, kao znas ti da ima mnogo onih koji se zele okrenuti arapskim zemljama.Lincoln-Burrows wrote:Zbog čega onda kukanje zbog viza,pita wrote: napisao sam grubo...poruka je: okrenimo ledja licemjernoj eu i trazimo partnere u kini, indiji, arapskim drzavama...etc
možda je upravo razlog tome što je mnogo ovih sa ovakvim mišljenjem da se okrene arapskim zemljama,
to Europi i ne treba a vidim da i mnogima ovdje ni Europa ne treba, čemu onda rasprava o vizama.
...kus` bolje? 
ovu odluku oni samo odugovlace jos mjesec ili dva, ja se iskreno nadam da ce i BiH ostvariti bezvizni rezim od januara 2010. sve ja znam sto si ti napisao i zato upravo i cekam i ocekujem i nadam se da sve nije ipak propalo.jefferson wrote:Imas clanak gore koji tvrdi da je EU ukinula vize Meksiku i Hondurasu!MmeDeLafayette wrote:nisi ti dobro... pa hajd ti na istok ako zelis, pusti nas da se okrecemo ka evropi
jao boze sacuvaj sta sve glava moze zamisliti to je cudo jedno
Pazi sad, Meksicka vlada ne kontrolise oko 50% svoje teritorije. Narko dileri imaju svoju vojsku, a 13 miliona meksikanaca (to je najblaza procjena, neki tvrde 20 miliona) zivi u SAD ILEGALNO!
Skoro 60% teskih droga koje dodju u SAD dodju iz Meksika.
Honduras s druge strane je u jos vecim govnima! Nemaju legalno izabranu vladu! Predsjednik drzave je morao pobjeci iz te drzave koja ocito ispunjava sve uslove za liberalizaciju viznog rezima a aerodrom je zatvoren vec dvije sedmice jer vojksa kampuje na njemu da se ne bi legalno izabrani predsjednik vratio u svoju drzavu!
I oni zadovoljavaju uslove a mi ne!
De malo razmisli!
Pa hajde nema frke, ima prednosti, ali ja tvrdim da neki kukaju o tobožnjoj uroti protiv Bošnjaka,jutarnji wrote: A ti jedva docekao da na klasicnu segu uletis klizeci, kao znas ti da ima mnogo onih koji se zele okrenuti arapskim zemljama.
Pa sta da se i okrenemo njima, free diesel, free hurme, free njam njam
Mislim da okretanje Arapima je cista glupost. Oni bi mater rodjenu udavili u casi vode za tanker nafte!MmeDeLafayette wrote:ovu odluku oni samo odugovlace jos mjesec ili dva, ja se iskreno nadam da ce i BiH ostvariti bezvizni rezim od januara 2010. sve ja znam sto si ti napisao i zato upravo i cekam i ocekujem i nadam se da sve nije ipak propalo.jefferson wrote:Imas clanak gore koji tvrdi da je EU ukinula vize Meksiku i Hondurasu!MmeDeLafayette wrote:nisi ti dobro... pa hajd ti na istok ako zelis, pusti nas da se okrecemo ka evropi
jao boze sacuvaj sta sve glava moze zamisliti to je cudo jedno
Pazi sad, Meksicka vlada ne kontrolise oko 50% svoje teritorije. Narko dileri imaju svoju vojsku, a 13 miliona meksikanaca (to je najblaza procjena, neki tvrde 20 miliona) zivi u SAD ILEGALNO!
Skoro 60% teskih droga koje dodju u SAD dodju iz Meksika.
Honduras s druge strane je u jos vecim govnima! Nemaju legalno izabranu vladu! Predsjednik drzave je morao pobjeci iz te drzave koja ocito ispunjava sve uslove za liberalizaciju viznog rezima a aerodrom je zatvoren vec dvije sedmice jer vojksa kampuje na njemu da se ne bi legalno izabrani predsjednik vratio u svoju drzavu!
I oni zadovoljavaju uslove a mi ne!
De malo razmisli!
a to okretanje zemljama arabije itd je suludo jer je geografski besmisleno, a i nismo mi takve naravi kao i oni, uostalom cemu izolacija...
opet kazem iskreno se nadam da cemo i mi skupa sa ostalim zohanima iz okruzenja u bezvizni rezim jer ni srbija, ni crna gora ni despotija od makedonije nisu nista bolje od nas ucinile osim e-passporta, koji se evo, ipak pocinje izdavati u 15 oktobra 2009! Optimisticna sam
A je ti pitanja, zemljo afriko...Lincoln-Burrows wrote:Pripadaš li ti Europi ili Arapima? (mislim na to za koga bi se borio u slučaju rata, neće ga biti, ali kad bi bio gdje bi ti)
, haj` ne budalesi Kaknja ti tvog. Ma ne sumnjam ja u tebe, ali jesi li ti siguran da bi ja i ti i mnogi bili u većini,jutarnji wrote:A je ti pitanja, zemljo afriko...Lincoln-Burrows wrote:Pripadaš li ti Europi ili Arapima? (mislim na to za koga bi se borio u slučaju rata, neće ga biti, ali kad bi bio gdje bi ti)
Prebacio bih na CNN, pristavio kokice, heineken i navijao, naravno za Arape
Uh sad mi je lakse kad znam da su Honduras i Meksiko stabilni!Lincoln-Burrows wrote:Ma ne sumnjam ja u tebe, ali jesi li ti siguran da bi ja i ti i mnogi bili u većini,jutarnji wrote:A je ti pitanja, zemljo afriko...Lincoln-Burrows wrote:Pripadaš li ti Europi ili Arapima? (mislim na to za koga bi se borio u slučaju rata, neće ga biti, ali kad bi bio gdje bi ti)
Prebacio bih na CNN, pristavio kokice, heineken i navijao, naravno za Arape
mi to moramo jasno reći i tada ispunjamo sve uvijete, mi moramo stajati na braniku Europe
kao buduće države u svakom pogledu jer mi tu pripadamo.
tada vize ne da će se ukinuti same, već će nas zvati da im se pridružimo.
Njih uopće ne zanima tko je kod nas na vlasti, mi smo za njih danas samo jedna nestabilna i nepouzdana država, a to im ne treba.
Ma nisu Mexico i Honduras stabilni, a i nikada neće biti dio EU-a, nego jednostavno sa njima nema problema jerjefferson wrote:
Uh sad mi je lakse kad znam da su Honduras i Meksiko stabilni!
Mozda je vrijeme da izvrsimo vojni puc ili tako nesto, ili jos bolje, hajmo masovno proizvodtiti i dilati Heroin i Kokain ap nam mozda ukinu vize!
Vidis, Srbija je to skontala davno. Kao tranzit bjelog roblja ukinute su im vize!
