Sa tom razlikom da bonton nalaze da se kapa i sesir skinu kad se ulazi u zatvorene prostorije, kad se pozdravljas sa nekim itd itd....animals wrote:seorusilac wrote:Evo ti pitanje:U cemu je zapravo razlika kada zena nosi hidzab ili sesir,jer obe imaju funkciju da zastite glavu?I onda stupa na scenu FRA i zabrana iako nema ama bas nikakve razlike izmedju te dvije stvari.To moze biti stvar tradicije,nosnje i sl. ali to se ne smije zabraniti po nacelima te ustavne demokratije.exliberal-ex wrote: Po cemu je SA demokratska a EU nije......daj nam navedi primjere
Terorizam u Parizu!
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#4602 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
Komicar Dieudonné jutros uhapsen, znaci ipak se ne moze pricati i pisati sta hoces!
jedino ako je islam u pitanju onda je sve dozvoleno, i naravno sloboda govora!
jedino ako je islam u pitanju onda je sve dozvoleno, i naravno sloboda govora!
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#4603 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
Jucer objavili, onaj "mrki" terorista par dana prije dig'o kredit od 6000€ u banci, vjerovatno za oruzje, opremu i pripremu akcije 
Odmah u fr zajebancija, novi vid kredita
Kredit za finansiranje terorizma
Odmah u fr zajebancija, novi vid kredita
Kredit za finansiranje terorizma
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#4604 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
Pokrenuta peticija da se onom momku, malijcu, koji je spasio taoce u zidovskom supermarketu dadne francusko drzavljanstvo i orden legije casti
U prvih par sati sakupljeno skoro 200 000 potpisa
U prvih par sati sakupljeno skoro 200 000 potpisa
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#4605 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
evo vam piŠke socIjalističke i k'o biva ljevičarske....
čitajte.....
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“Free Speech” hypocrisy in the aftermath of the attack on Charlie Hebdo
9 January 2015
The attack on the editorial offices of Charlie Hebdo has shocked the public, which is horrified by the violent deaths of 12 people in the center of Paris. The video images, viewed by millions, of the gunmen firing their weapons and killing an already-wounded policeman have imparted to Wednesday’s events an extraordinary actuality.
In the immediate aftermath of the shootings, the state and media are seeking to exploit the fear and the confusion of the public. Once again, the political bankruptcy and essentially reactionary character of terrorism is exposed. It serves the interests of the state, which utilizes the opportunity provided by the terrorists to whip up support for authoritarianism and militarism. In 2003, when the Bush administration invaded Iraq, French popular opposition was so overwhelming that the government led by President Jacques Chirac was compelled to oppose the war, even in the face of massive political pressure from the United States. Now, 12 years later, as President François Hollande is striving to transform France into the United States’ principal ally in the “war on terror,” the attack in Paris plays into his hands.
In these efforts Hollande can rely on the media, which in such circumstances directs all its energies toward the emotional manipulation and political disorientation of the public. The capitalist media, skillfully combining the suppression of information with half-truths and outright lies, devises a narrative that is calculated to appeal not only to the basest instincts of the broad public, but also to its democratic and idealistic sentiments.
Throughout Europe and the United States, the claim is being made that the attack on the magazine Charlie Hebdo was an assault on the freedom of the press and the unalienable right of journalists in a democratic society to express themselves without loss of freedom or fear for their lives. The killing of the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists and editors is being proclaimed an assault on the principles of free speech that are, supposedly, held so dear in Europe and the United States. The attack on Charlie Hebdo is, thus, presented as another outrage by Muslims who cannot tolerate Western “freedoms.” From this the conclusion must be drawn that the “war on terror”—i.e., the imperialist onslaught on the Middle East, Central Asia and North and Central Africa—is an unavoidable necessity.
In the midst of this orgy of democratic hypocrisy, no reference is made to the fact that the American military, in the course of its wars in the Middle East, is responsible for the deaths of at least 15 journalists. In the on-going narrative of “Freedom of Speech Under Attack,” there is no place for any mention of the 2003 air-to-surface missile attack on the offices of Al Jazeera in Baghdad that left three journalists dead and four wounded.
Nor is anything being written or said about the July 2007 murder of two Reuters journalists working in Baghdad, staff photographer Namir Noor-Eldeen and driver Saeed Chmagh. Both men were deliberately targeted by US Apache gunships while on assignment in East Baghdad.
The American and international public was first able to view a video of the cold-blooded murder of the two journalists as well as a group of Iraqis—taken from one of the gunships—as the result of WikiLeaks’ release of classified material that it had obtained from an American soldier, Corporal Bradley Chelsea Manning.
And how has the United States and Europe acted to protect WikiLeaks’ exercise of free speech? Julian Assange, the founder and publisher of WikiLeaks, has been subjected to relentless persecution. Leading political and media figures in the United States and Canada have denounced him as a “terrorist” and demanded his arrest, with some even calling publicly for his murder. Assange is being pursued on fraudulent “rape” allegations concocted by American and Swedish intelligence services. He has been compelled to seek sanctuary in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, which is under constant guard by British police who will seize Assange if he steps out of the embassy. As for Chelsea Manning, she is presently in prison, serving out a 35-year sentence for treason.
That is how the great capitalist “democracies” of North America and Europe have demonstrated their commitment to free speech and the safety of journalists!
The dishonest and hypocritical narrative spun out by the state and the media requires that Charlie Hebdo and its murdered cartoonists and journalists be upheld as martyrs to free speech and representatives of a revered democratic tradition of hard-hitting iconoclastic journalism.
In a column published Wednesday in the Financial Times, the liberal historian Simon Schama places Charlie Hebdo in a glorious tradition of journalistic irreverence that “is the lifeblood of freedom.” He recalls the great European satirists between the sixteenth and nineteenth centuries who subjected the great and powerful to their withering scorn. Among their illustrious targets, Schama reminds us, were the brutal Duke of Alba, who in the 1500s drowned the Dutch struggle for freedom in blood; the French “Sun King,” Louis XIV; the British Prime Minister William Pitt; and the Prince of Wales. “Satire,” writes Schama, “became the oxygen of politics, ventilating healthy howls of derision in coffee houses and taverns where caricatures circulated every day and every week.”
Schama places Charlie Hebdo in a tradition to which it does not belong. All the great satirists to whom Schama refers were representatives of a democratic Enlightenment who directed their scorn against the powerful and corrupt defenders of aristocratic privilege. In its relentlessly degrading portrayals of Muslims, Charlie Hebdo has mocked the poor and the powerless.
To speak bluntly and honestly about the sordid, cynical and degraded character of Charlie Hebdo is not to condone the killing of its personnel. But when the slogan “I am Charlie” is adopted and heavily promoted by the media as the slogan of protest demonstrations, those who have not been overwhelmed by state and media propaganda are obligated to reply: “We oppose the violent assault on the magazine, but we are not—and have nothing in common with—‘Charlie.’”
Marxists are no strangers to the struggle to overcome the influence of religion among the masses. But they conduct this struggle with the understanding that religious faith is sustained by conditions of adversity and desperate hardship. Religion is not to be mocked, but understood and criticized as Karl Marx understood and criticized it:
“Religious distress is … the expression of real distress and also the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of spiritless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
“To abolish religion as the illusory happiness of the people is to demand their real happiness. The demand to give up illusions about the existing affairs is the demand to give up a state of affairs that needs illusions. The criticism of religion is therefore in embryo the criticism of the vale of tears, the halo of which is religion.” [Contribution to Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Law, in Marx and Engels Collected Works, Volume 3 (New York, 1975), pp. 175-76]
One has only to read these words to see the intellectual and moral chasm that separates Marxism from the unhealthy milieu of the ex-left political cynicism that has found expression in Charlie Hebdo. There has been nothing enlightening, let alone edifying, in their puerile and often obscene denigration of the Muslim religion and its traditions.
The cynically provocative anti-Muslim caricatures that have appeared on so many covers of Charlie Hebdo have pandered to and facilitated the growth of right-wing chauvinist movements in France. It is absurd to claim, by way of defense of Charlie Hebdo, that its cartoons are all “in good fun” and have no political consequences. Aside from the fact that the French government is desperate to rally support for its growing military agenda in Africa and the Middle East, France is a country where the influence of the neo-fascist National Front is growing rapidly. In this political context, Charlie Hebdo has facilitated the growth of a form of politicized anti-Muslim sentiment that bears a disturbing resemblance to the politicized anti-Semitism that emerged as a mass movement in France in the 1890s.
In its use of crude and vulgar caricatures that purvey a sinister and stereotyped image of Muslims, Charlie Hebdo recalls the cheap racist publications that played a significant role in fostering the anti-Semitic agitation that swept France during the famous Dreyfus Affair, which erupted in 1894 after a Jewish officer was accused and falsely convicted of espionage on behalf of Germany. In whipping up popular hatred of Jews, La Libre Parole [“Free Speech”], published by the infamous Edoard Adolfe Drumont, made highly effective use of cartoons that employed the familiar anti-Semitic devices. The caricatures served to inflame public opinion, inciting mobs against Dreyfus and his defenders, such as Emile Zola, the great novelist and author of J’Accuse.
The World Socialist Web Site, on the basis of long-standing political principles, opposes and unequivocally condemns the terrorist assault on Charlie Hebdo. But we refuse to join in the portrayal of Charlie Hebdo as a martyr to the cause of democracy and free speech, and we warn our readers to be wary of the reactionary agenda that motivates this hypocritical and dishonest campaign.
David North
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/01 ... s-j09.html
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#4606 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
insomnia78 wrote:Jucer objavili, onaj "mrki" terorista par dana prije dig'o kredit od 6000€ u banci, vjerovatno za oruzje, opremu i pripremu akcije
Odmah u fr zajebancija, novi vid kredita
Kredit za finansiranje terorizma
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#4607 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
https://storify.com/BenjaminNorton/the- ... parismarch

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#4608 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
....a ono sto mi je zapaolo za oko jeste da je u svim ranijim dogadjajima oko karikatura obavezno slijedio poziv na bojkot proizvoda iz zemlje u kojoj su karikature objavljene....toga sada nema....zasto li?

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#4609 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
meni sumLjivograue_maus wrote:insomnia78 wrote:Jucer objavili, onaj "mrki" terorista par dana prije dig'o kredit od 6000€ u banci, vjerovatno za oruzje, opremu i pripremu akcije
Odmah u fr zajebancija, novi vid kredita
Kredit za finansiranje terorizma![]()
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da nije slucajno kod deutsche bank uzeo kredit .....
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#4610 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
Mah zesca sprdancija kad malo bolje sagledas. To sve hoce da kaze, koliko se ulaze u neke sigurnosti s vana a sve nevolje iznutra. A kad bi uveli mjere sigurnosti iznutra imao bi stazi, policajsku drzavu i ekstremnu paranoju medju gradjanima. Dobio bi Istocnu Njemacku 2 ili tamo neku SSSR iz doba Staljina. Ma ni Sjeverna Korjea nebi im bila ravna.insomnia78 wrote:Jucer objavili, onaj "mrki" terorista par dana prije dig'o kredit od 6000€ u banci, vjerovatno za oruzje, opremu i pripremu akcije
Odmah u fr zajebancija, novi vid kredita
Kredit za finansiranje terorizma
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#4611 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
Ne znam samo gdje se u mom komentaru procitali da ja kazem da je idil i slicni ono sto svijetu treba. Francuzi se pozivaju na neku slobodu govora, a eto taj uhapsen, zabranjuju se demonstracije, sikaniraju se oni kojo govore protiv Izraela. U tome je poenta.
A na vrh mi je neke stvari i ta toliko izvikana medijska sloboda. To da prica ko sta hoce i kad hoce je anarhija. Svi se zalazu za slobodu dok se ne dirne u njihov licni interes. Kad ti isti novinari napisu kakav fasisticki tekst na temu nasih stradanja, onda je to smak svijeta, a kad se izdrkava po nekom drugom onda je to sloboda. Ebes tu logiku
Sto se tice crnaca u Fr, dokumentarac je bio cini mi se na AJ i lako se moze provjeriti
A na vrh mi je neke stvari i ta toliko izvikana medijska sloboda. To da prica ko sta hoce i kad hoce je anarhija. Svi se zalazu za slobodu dok se ne dirne u njihov licni interes. Kad ti isti novinari napisu kakav fasisticki tekst na temu nasih stradanja, onda je to smak svijeta, a kad se izdrkava po nekom drugom onda je to sloboda. Ebes tu logiku
Sto se tice crnaca u Fr, dokumentarac je bio cini mi se na AJ i lako se moze provjeriti
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#4612 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
http://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/dan-t ... /150114053
Au šovinizma i govora mržnje u komentarima na fb stranici klixa na ovaj članak
Au šovinizma i govora mržnje u komentarima na fb stranici klixa na ovaj članak
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#4613 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
Zviz wrote:https://storify.com/BenjaminNorton/the- ... parismarch
Jesu se nasetaliAngelica omrsala citavih 15grama i pala pokoja kaplja znoji.
Dakle, nemoguce je ostati ravnodusan na cinjenicu da oni ne poznaju granice kad zele da se narugaju i ismiju glupe, retardirane ovce koje gutaju njihova PR sranja... Znaju oni da se sve dozna, ali uporno i opravdano tipuju na ogranicenost i praznoglavost onih kojima se obracaju... Sjajno...!
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#4614 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
Od sada da bi dobio kredit valja ime mijenjati.insomnia78 wrote:Jucer objavili, onaj "mrki" terorista par dana prije dig'o kredit od 6000€ u banci, vjerovatno za oruzje, opremu i pripremu akcije
Odmah u fr zajebancija, novi vid kredita
Kredit za finansiranje terorizma
Sve ide svojim tokom u globalnom selu. Mic po mic ali se stvari pomjeraju.
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#4615 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
Sada kada i ostale novinske kuće počnu tražiti ISIL-ovce za menagere, ljudi rade čuda, u jednom danu prepolovili broj zaposlenih, povećali cijenu novine, ustostručili tiraž
I ne samo to, od anonimne novine na rubu opstanka učinili svjetski poznati brend, hipstersku ikonu, čiji tiraž od nekoliko miliona pukne za par sati, a sve to samo sa 8 stranica i nikakvim zanimljivim štivom.
Stvarno, to što su ovi tzv. ISIL-ovci uradili, nikada nikom, ni jednom menageru ni marketinškom stručnjaku nije uspjelo.
I ne samo to, od anonimne novine na rubu opstanka učinili svjetski poznati brend, hipstersku ikonu, čiji tiraž od nekoliko miliona pukne za par sati, a sve to samo sa 8 stranica i nikakvim zanimljivim štivom.
Stvarno, to što su ovi tzv. ISIL-ovci uradili, nikada nikom, ni jednom menageru ni marketinškom stručnjaku nije uspjelo.
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#4616 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
To kao kad su se oni vashljivi babuni u Londonu pozivali slobodu na slobodu govora, da bi svijetu porucili ovo...It_is_a_Leclerc wrote:Pa to je isto kad su dvojica selefijsko-vehabijskih terorista, tzv. "Bilal" Bosnić i Nusret Imamović, organizovali konferenciju "Pogubnost demokratije, ljepote šerijata" i na taj način dokazali da je demokratija blistavi sistem u kojem svako, pa i dva nepismena goveda kakva jesu ova dvojica dojučerašnjih komunjara, mogu reći šta misle. Dok bi u njihovom šerijatu za pomisao na pogubnost šerijata letjela glava.
Sa nepismenim selefijama i njihovim advokatima je uistinu teško razgovarati. Kako ono kaže Kur'an - "I kad im se kaže Zašto nered na Zemlji stvarate, oni kažu - Mi uistinu samo red uspostavljamo".

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#4617 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
Ojadjeni mrzitelji 'cigana' i tisine.cyprus wrote:http://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/dan-t ... /150114053
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#4618 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
samo da quotam da ostane zabilježeno.Chisum wrote: To kao kad su se oni vashljivi babuni u Londonu pozivali slobodu na slobodu govora, da bi svijetu porucili ovo...
primjer rasističkog i šovinističkog govora mržnje!
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#4619 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
Hajvan wrote:samo da quotam da ostane zabilježeno.Chisum wrote: To kao kad su se oni vashljivi babuni u Londonu pozivali slobodu na slobodu govora, da bi svijetu porucili ovo...
primjer rasističkog i šovinističkog slobodnog govora mržnje!
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#4620 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
U Parizu priveden poznati glumac (crnac) zbog izjave "sto se mene tice ja sam Charlie Coulibaly"... oj izgleda su postali Hollande i co. jako uvridljivi da nemogu skontati sta hoce crnac glumac da s tim kaze.
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#4621 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
A sloboda govora?
Znaci 'Coulibaly' se vise ne smije ni spomenuti!?
Samo momenat, neko mi kuca na vrata.......
Samo momenat, neko mi kuca na vrata.......
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#4622 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
Pazi molim te... ja zaboravio da je ovaj forum pun onih koji debilcine koja su se dovukle iz neke vukojebine na taj isti mrski im Zapad, pozivajuci se na njegove tekovine slobode izrazavanja, samo da bi porucili ovo...

... nazivaju bracom.
Pogotovo su interesantni oni koji vec dvadeset godina sire guzove po tom istom Zapadu i bog ih vise ne bi mogao pomjeriti, a satrase se u hrakanju po istom.

... nazivaju bracom.
Pogotovo su interesantni oni koji vec dvadeset godina sire guzove po tom istom Zapadu i bog ih vise ne bi mogao pomjeriti, a satrase se u hrakanju po istom.
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#4623 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
Ma dobro za tog glumca što je priveden, nego su već počeli i da rade prijeki sudovi, već osuđeni i to zbog verbalnog
http://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/osudj ... og-verbaln
http://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/osudj ... og-verbaln
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#4624 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
Evo sta im porucuje musliman iz Maroka, sin imama i gradonacelnik RoterdamaChisum wrote:Pazi molim te... ja zaboravio da je ovaj forum pun onih koji debilcine koja su se dovukle iz neke vukojebine na taj isti mrski im Zapad, pozivajuci se na njegove tekovine slobode izrazavanja, samo da bi porucili ovo...
... nazivaju bracom.
Pogotovo su interesantni oni koji vec dvadeset godina sire guzove po tom istom Zapadu i bog ih vise ne bi mogao pomjeriti, a satrase se u hrakanju po istom.
http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php ... _id=946308
Abutaleb: Ko ne voli, nek' odj**e
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#4625 Re: Terorizam u Parizu!
U pravu je, kome se nesvidja nek izvoli nek ide tamo gdje ce mu biti tako kako hoce. Zamisli sad ja ili neko drugi trazi da u po Irana ili Saudise Arabije zene hodaju kao kod nas, ili na Floridi/CalifornijiKikibombona wrote:Evo sta im porucuje musliman iz Maroka, sin imama i gradonacelnik RoterdamaChisum wrote:Pazi molim te... ja zaboravio da je ovaj forum pun onih koji debilcine koja su se dovukle iz neke vukojebine na taj isti mrski im Zapad, pozivajuci se na njegove tekovine slobode izrazavanja, samo da bi porucili ovo...
... nazivaju bracom.
Pogotovo su interesantni oni koji vec dvadeset godina sire guzove po tom istom Zapadu i bog ih vise ne bi mogao pomjeriti, a satrase se u hrakanju po istom.
http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php ... _id=946308
Abutaleb: Ko ne voli, nek' odj**e
Ovo je postalo vise nametanje neke doktrine i nekig "nacina" iz nakih cudnih knjiga. Doce do rata a tu se crno pise citavom arapskom svijetu.
