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zonbirile wrote:može li neko objasnit šta to zapravo znači teorija zavjere,jer očito se ovde mješaju babe i žabe,a nađe se i po koja kruška umjesto jabuke.
Dugo te ne vidjeh, zon Do mene je
Teorija zavjere predstavlja poluistinito ili lažno povezivanje pojedinačnih istina među kojima se ne vidi povezanost. Teoretičar zavjere uzima parčad istine, neupitne činjenice (provjerljive i dokažljive) koje, potom, povezuje u veliku priču o zavjeri. Naravno, mnoštvo sitnih, istinitih dijelova valja nečim ulijepiti, spojiti. Za to služe neistine, pretpostavke, neprovjerene informacije, itd. zato teorije zavjere i privlače mnoge ljude jer im se uvijek plasiraju prvo ti fragmentarni dijelovi koje niko ne može osporiti, a potom se to - na velikom kraju kada se poentira - uvezuje u jednu veliku istinu koja stoji iza tih dijelova, u zavjeru. Ali, to je samo teorija
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hvala drug i mene ne bi dugo,ali zašto se miješaju babe i žabe pa se svaka ujdurma naziva TZ.Meni je najbolji primjer ubistvo Kenedija.
Priorat wrote:jao nekad mi stvaro onaj clan @veleposlanik fali.
onaj je bio nafuran daj boze samo da nije negdje samoubistvo izvrsio!!
Covjeka su banovali sto je doveo u pitanje broj jevreja stradalih u II sv ratu. kao sto je i raspravljao u umjesanosti cionista u progon jevreja i njihov suradnju sa Hitjerom i fasistickim sistemom u cilju stvaranja drzave Izrael...
zonbirile wrote:može li neko objasnit šta to zapravo znači teorija zavjere,jer očito se ovde mješaju babe i žabe,a nađe se i po koja kruška umjesto jabuke.
Dugo te ne vidjeh, zon Do mene je
Teorija zavjere predstavlja poluistinito ili lažno povezivanje pojedinačnih istina među kojima se ne vidi povezanost. Teoretičar zavjere uzima parčad istine, neupitne činjenice (provjerljive i dokažljive) koje, potom, povezuje u veliku priču o zavjeri. Naravno, mnoštvo sitnih, istinitih dijelova valja nečim ulijepiti, spojiti. Za to služe neistine, pretpostavke, neprovjerene informacije, itd. zato teorije zavjere i privlače mnoge ljude jer im se uvijek plasiraju prvo ti fragmentarni dijelovi koje niko ne može osporiti, a potom se to - na velikom kraju kada se poentira - uvezuje u jednu veliku istinu koja stoji iza tih dijelova, u zavjeru. Ali, to je samo teorija
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hvala drug i mene ne bi dugo,ali zašto se miješaju babe i žabe pa se svaka ujdurma naziva TZ.Meni je najbolji primjer ubistvo Kenedija.
Nema u ovim pricama puno zavjera, radi se o IGRACIMA na globalnom nivo koji koriste jace i sire ''alate'' i sredstva da ostvare svoje interese. Isto je kad neko se bavi malo namazanijim lopovlukom u jednom gradu, pa je on pomjesan i sa kriminalcima i politicarima i vlasnicima hotela, fabrika proizvodnje itd... ali za javnost on je UGLEDNI gradjanin koji je uspjesan, i sad on preko svojih alata kojim raspolaze bavi se nemoralnim radnjama, reketarenjem, kradjom, utajom poreza, prevarama itd...
E zasto ne bi postojali takvi ljudi koji rade na GLOBALNOM nivou? Posebno ako uzmemo u obzir da su ti mocni pojedinci vodjeni idejom o cekanju mesije, stvaranju zemlje Izrael itd... a i da nisu vodjeni tim, oni opet rade na globalnom nivou, raznorazne u najmanju ruku nemoralne radnje, jer oni imaju priliku za to i to je njihovo igraliste. i sad negirati postojanje toga meni je bas ono nekako glupo...
VjecitiStudent wrote:
onda tek mozete da nazirete nekakvu istinu, na kraju krajeva, i kad je budete znali
Sta cete sa njom?
Ima ona stara: "Naoruzan znanjem, naoruzan puskom" [/quote]
Naoruzan znanjem???
Sad ce 90 godina kako se pokazalo da su tvoji dragi protokoli najobicniji falsifikat ...[/quote]
Još kad bi pokretač teme znao ko je Sergej Nilus!?
Sergej Nilus-rođen 1864 god. u porodici švicarski emigranata. Ovaj teolog i samozvani mistik diplomirao je pravo na moskovskom Univerzitetu, u mladosti se petljao i sa anarhizmom (u realnosti, bankrot i propast njegovog ruskog imanja doveli su ga do duševne krize). Negdje 1900 god. napisao je religijski pamflet pod nazivom "Veliko u malomi antihrist kao bliska politička mogučnost".Štampao cio tekstzloglasnih "Protokala sionski mudraca", i tako postao i možda ključna figura u širenju ovog teksta. Namjera objavljivanja "Protokola" je da dokaže kako je pokušaj modernizacije Rusije zapravo dio velike jevrejske zavjere. Bio je duhovni savjetnik Nikolaja II, i veoma blizak sa carskom porodicom. Zanimljivo da ga je tadašnja ruska pravoslavna crkva smatrala opasnim luđakom i fanatikom.
B.t.w pokretaču teme toplo preporučam i Kiševu priču "Knjiga kraljeva i budala", možda mu pomogne da razbije vlastite paranoje!
VjecitiStudent wrote:
onda tek mozete da nazirete nekakvu istinu, na kraju krajeva, i kad je budete znali
Sta cete sa njom?
Ima ona stara: "Naoruzan znanjem, naoruzan puskom"
Naoruzan znanjem???
Sad ce 90 godina kako se pokazalo da su tvoji dragi protokoli najobicniji falsifikat ...[/quote]
Još kad bi pokretač teme znao ko je Sergej Nilus!?
Sergej Nilus-rođen 1864 god. u porodici švicarski emigranata. Ovaj teolog i samozvani mistik diplomirao je pravo na moskovskom Univerzitetu, u mladosti se petljao i sa anarhizmom (u realnosti, bankrot i propast njegovog ruskog imanja doveli su ga do duševne krize). Negdje 1900 god. napisao je religijski pamflet pod nazivom "Veliko u malomi antihrist kao bliska politička mogučnost".Štampao cio tekstzloglasnih "Protokala sionski mudraca", i tako postao i možda ključna figura u širenju ovog teksta. Namjera objavljivanja "Protokola" je da dokaže kako je pokušaj modernizacije Rusije zapravo dio velike jevrejske zavjere. Bio je duhovni savjetnik Nikolaja II, i veoma blizak sa carskom porodicom. Zanimljivo da ga je tadašnja ruska pravoslavna crkva smatrala opasnim luđakom i fanatikom.
B.t.w pokretaču teme toplo preporučam i Kiševu priču "Knjiga kraljeva i budala", možda mu pomogne da razbije vlastite paranoje! [/quote]
Nacitao sam se svega i svacega, a Protokole nije napisala nikakva budala, vec grupa ljudi koji su odlicno znali sta ce da rade. I pogodi sta, uspjeli su u onom glavnom - porobiti svijet kamatama. Danas nema zaposlene osobe na svijetu koja nije podigla kredit za nesto, pa makar to bila sitnica. Koknretno, moja firma je kreditno opterecena, ja kao pojedinac, i jos trecina svjetske populacije. Dakle, ne moze se poreci ono vec napisano, jer to isto napisano u protokolima danas u praksi savrseno funkcionise. Cak i bolje nego sto je predvidjeno. Njihov plan se polako obistinjava, a uvijek ce biti ljudi koji to zanemaruju.
Blobi wrote:
Nacitao sam se svega i svacega, a Protokole nije napisala nikakva budala, vec grupa ljudi koji su odlicno znali sta ce da rade. I pogodi sta, uspjeli su u onom glavnom - porobiti svijet kamatama. Danas nema zaposlene osobe na svijetu koja nije podigla kredit za nesto, pa makar to bila sitnica. Koknretno, moja firma je kreditno opterecena, ja kao pojedinac, i jos trecina svjetske populacije. Dakle, ne moze se poreci ono vec napisano, jer to isto napisano u protokolima danas u praksi savrseno funkcionise. Cak i bolje nego sto je predvidjeno. Njihov plan se polako obistinjava, a uvijek ce biti ljudi koji to zanemaruju.
Ja pouzdano znam da je Nilus prepisao "Protokole", ali evo ti tvrdiš da je riječ o GRUPI ljudi/autora!?
zonbirile wrote:može li neko objasnit šta to zapravo znači teorija zavjere,jer očito se ovde mješaju babe i žabe,a nađe se i po koja kruška umjesto jabuke.
Dugo te ne vidjeh, zon Do mene je
Teorija zavjere predstavlja poluistinito ili lažno povezivanje pojedinačnih istina među kojima se ne vidi povezanost. Teoretičar zavjere uzima parčad istine, neupitne činjenice (provjerljive i dokažljive) koje, potom, povezuje u veliku priču o zavjeri. Naravno, mnoštvo sitnih, istinitih dijelova valja nečim ulijepiti, spojiti. Za to služe neistine, pretpostavke, neprovjerene informacije, itd. zato teorije zavjere i privlače mnoge ljude jer im se uvijek plasiraju prvo ti fragmentarni dijelovi koje niko ne može osporiti, a potom se to - na velikom kraju kada se poentira - uvezuje u jednu veliku istinu koja stoji iza tih dijelova, u zavjeru. Ali, to je samo teorija
DIO SPISKA CIVILA KOJI SU JEVREJI UBIJENIH U TERORISTICKOM NAPADU AL KAIDE NA TORNJEVE SVJETSKOG TRGOVACKOG CENTRA 11.9.2001
Lee Alan Adler, 48, was a computer designer at Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Adler was a member of the board of trustees of Temple Beth Ahm in Springfield, New Jersey, where memorial services were held for him. He was married to his wife. Alice, for 15 years and had a 12-year old daughter. His daughter wrote in a February 22, 2002 message on an internet memorial site, "Daddy I love you!"
Joshua Aron, 29, was an equities trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. Joshua's father, Barry Aron, says, "Not a minute goes by in a day that I don't think about Josh. ... It's like part of you being ripped out and you can't replace it." Barry talks to his son's widow, Rachel daily. Mr. Aron and Rachel would have celebrated their first wedding anniversary on September 16, 2001. Memorial services were held at the Oceanside Jewish Center in Oceanside, New York.
Michael Edward Asher, 53, was vice president and senior technology architect at Cantor Fitzgerald. On September 10, 2001, he talked with his son Jeremy, 18, about rebuilding an old Jaguar automobile. Mr. Asher was also survived by his wife Dana and a daughter, Rachel, 16. A memorial service was held for him at the Monroe Temple of Liberal Judaism in Monroe, New York.
Debbie S. Bellows, 30, was an executive assistant at Cantor Fitzgerald. She was survived by her husband Sean, who wrote, "Debbie meant the world to me. ... My heart will always be filled with the love and beauty that filled her soul." A memorial service was held for Ms. Bellows at the Westchester Reform Temple in Scarsdale, New York.
Alvin Bergsohn, 48, was an equities trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. From a picture posted on the Internet, it appears that he was survived by a wife and two sons. A service was held for him at the South Baldwin Jewish Center in Baldwin Harbor, New York.
Shimmy D. Biegeleisen, 42, was vice president of Fiduciary Trust International. Susan Townsend, who interviewed for a job at Mr. Biegeleisen's company, described him "a genuinely kind and gentle soul, a man of true integrity." A friend, Joseph Weinberger, said he was "a person with a golden heart, loved everybody, always with a smile." Another described him as "a perfect mix of God-fearing, friendly, and fun." Tony Skutnik said he was "a kind and gentle man, generous and forgiving almost to a fault." He was survived by a wife and five children.
Joshua David Birnbaum, 24, was an assistant bond trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. His best friend, Leehe Matalon, wrote, "Josh's smile always managed to light up the faces of those he surrounded himself with. He had a special charm ...." He was survived by his parents, Sam and Marcel, and a sister, Jill. A memorial service was held for him at the Sephardic Congregation of Long Beach in Long Beach, New York.
Kevin Sanford Cohen, 28, was a computer support person for Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his parents, Barry and Marcia, and a brother Neil. His mother said that when she had asked him why he didn't slow down, he replied, "Mom, I believe in living life to the fullest." A memorial service held for him at Neve Shalom in Metuchen, New Jersey.
Michael Allen Davidson, 27, was an equity options trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. A co-worker named Jay wrote, "He could have been the nicest, most sensitive person I have ever met. Everyone loves him." He was engaged to be married the following July to Dominique DeNardo. Mr. Davidson was survived by his mother Ellen. A memorial service was held for him at Congregation Beth Israel in Scotch Plains, New Jersey.
Peter Feidelberg, 34, worked for Aon corporation. Mr. Feidelberg was from Montreal, Canada, and worked at Aon with his wife, Meredith Ewart, whom he had married in March 2000. According to the Canadian Jewish News, Mr. Feidelberg attended Jewish Peoples School, ran in the 1998 New York Marathon, enjoyed rugby, mountain biking, skiing and scuba diving, and had backpacked through Europe, Costa Rica, Turkey and other countries.
Steven Mark Fogel, 40, was vice president and assistant general counsel for Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife Kori, a son and a daughter. A memorial service was held for him at Temple Emanuel in Westfield, New York.
Morton H. Frank, 31, was an insurance equities broker at Cantor Fitzgerald. In college, he was a member of the Jewish fraternity Alpha Epsilon Pi. A childhood friend said he had "a fun-loving spirit and a wonderful heart." He had married his wife Jessica 14 months before 9/11.
Arlene Eva Fried, 49, was vice president and assistant general counsel at Cantor Fitzgerald. She met her future husband Ken when she was 15 and he was 17. When the youngest of their three daughters entered kindergarten, Arlene went back to school to study law. Her parents, Nicholas and Ronnie Joseph, were both survivors of Nazi concentration camps; her mother had been at Auschwitz. They wrote, in a October 13, 2003 internet tribute, "As Arlene Joseph Fried's parents, the loss is indescribable; a daughter with indescribable warmth and love toward her whole family and friends -- losing her left an unhealable wound in our hearts." A memorial service was held for her at Temple Beth Shalom in Roslyn, New York.
Douglas B. Gardner, 39, was a vice chairman at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife, Jennifer, and two children. Memorial services were held at the Stephen Weiss Free Synagogue in New York City.
Steven Paul Geller, 52, was an institutional trader for Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Geller loved to cook with his daughter, Hali, 12. He was also survived by his wife, Debra. A memorial service was held for him at Congregation Rodeph Sholom in New York City.
Marina Romanova Gertsberg, 25, was one of 16 Russian-speaking Jews who perished in the 9/11 attacks, according to World Congress of Russian Jewry. Her family had emigrated from Odessa, Ukraine to the United States when Marina was four so that her father would not have to serve with Soviet forces in Afghanistan. She joined Cantor Fitzgerald as a junior manager one week before September 11. A memorial service for her was held at the Manhattan Beach Jewish Center in Brooklyn, New York.
Jeffrey Grant Goldflam, 48, was senior vice president and chief financial officer at Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Goldflam was survived by his wife Risa and two children. He was a track and soccer star in high school. Robert Kayton, a college acquaintance, remembered Mr. Goldflam as "easygoing, friendly, and helpful." A memorial service was held for him at Temple Beth Tohar in Melville, New York.
Michelle Herman Goldstein, 31, worked as a broker for Aon Risk Services insurance company. She had married her busband, Edward Goldstein, exactly seven months before 9/11. After the first plane struck the North tower of the World Trade Center, she called her mother, a Hebrew teacher at the Tamarac Jewish Center in Florida, from the 96th floor of the South tower to reassure her that she was all right. Her mother described her as "full of life. She lights up a room when she smiles."
Monica Goldstein, 25, was an accounts specialist at Cantor Fitzgerald. She spent long hours at her older sister's house, caring for her two young nephews and visiting with her sister. Her father said, "Her smile and her laugh were infectious. ... The loss has totally changed our lives. We'll never be the same anymore. ... She was a very, very special person." Ms. Goldstein was engaged to be married in September 2002. A memorial service was held for her at the Congregation B'nai Israel in Bay Terrace, New York.
Steven Goldstein, 35, had started work for Cantor Fitzgerald two weeks before September 11. Working in his basement, he had started and developed an online trading system, which he sold to Cantor Fitzgerald. His wife said his motivation was to make a lot of money and retire so he could spend time with his family. She said he loved nothing more than spending time with his one-year old son Harris and three-year old daughter Hanna. Mr. Goldstein had been a member of the Jewish fraternity Alpha Epsilon Pi when at the University of Michigan.
Marcia Hoffman, 52, was vice president and senior technical architect at Cantor Fitzgerald. A former child-welfare worker, she switched to a career in computers. She was survived by her husband, Jim, and her daughter, Lara. A memorial service was held for her at the Kane Street Synagogue in New York City.
Aaron Horwitz, 24, was a bond broker at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was described as a showman who loved entertaining people, someone who "seized souls, not letting go until he made them merry." A memorial service was held for him at the Brotherhood Synagogue in New York City.
Daniel Ilkanayev, 36, was a senior programming analyst at Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Ilkanayev was born in Baku, Azerbaijan, in the former Soviet Union. He was one 16 Russian-speaking Jews who perished in the 9/11 attacks, according to World Congress of Russian Jewry.
Brooke Alexandra Jackman, 23, had just started working as an assistant bond trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. On September 10, 2001, she had told her mother she was applying to Columbia University's School of Social Work because "there is more to life than making money." A crowd of 1,000 to 1,500 attended her memorial service at the Jewish Center in Oyster Bay, New York. She had volunteered a community soup kitchen and a thrift shop for cancer patients.
Aaron Jacobs, 27, was a vice president at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was making plans for a honeymoon, perhaps to Africa, with his bride-to-be, Jeannine McAteer. He had backpacked through Europe, taught English in Mexico, and climbed a volcano in Greece. His dream was to retire at an early age and travel. He also taught job skills to welfare recipients. A memorial service for him was held at Temple Emanuel in Newton, Massachusetts.
Steven A. Jacobson, 53, was a transmission engineer working on the 110th floor of World Trade Center's north tower. His job was to keep the WPIX television station on the air, no matter what happened. After working the night shift at the television station, he opened the Town and Village synagogue where he worshipped. Mr. Jacobson was survived by his wife, Deborah, and two daughters, Rachel and Miriam. Family was the most important thing to him; he called his mother every day. Colleagues say he called them on September 11, saying his room was filling with smoke but it was too hot to leave even though he was having trouble breathing.
Shari Ann Kandell, 27, was a support staffer at Cantor Fitzgerald. She loved the theater and was studying for a degree in English in the evenings. Her father said, "the overwhelming and klix quality that Shari showed all her life was her total selflessness." Many at her memorial service at Temple Beth Rishon in Wyckoff, New Jersey spoke of her giving priority to the needs of others.
Andrew Keith Kates, 37, was a senior managing director of Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife Emily Terry, two daughters, Hannah, 5, and Lucy, 3, and a son, Henry, 1. His wife said that although Mr. Kates was a serious bike rider, swimmer, and runner, having run the New York Marathon in three hours and 15 minutes, his family came first. Every Saturday morning, the children would crowd into bed with Mr. Kates and his wife. A memorial service for him was held at Congregation Rodeph Sholom in New York City.
Peter Rodney Kellerman, 35, was a vice president and equities trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife Robi. Mr. Kellerman had a doctor's appointment on the morning of September 11, but came to work when the appointment was rescheduled. Friend Jon Bott wrote how he misses Mr. Kellerman's "infectious humor, your wonderful wit and how comfortable and easy you made people feel." A memorial service was held for him at the Park Avenue Synagogue in New York City.
Howard Kestenbaum, 56, was an executive vice president at Aon Corporation. His 24-year old daughter Lauren saw the first plane hit the World Trade Center. Mr. Kestenbaum, who was in the second tower hit, had evacuated his office on the 103rd floor and was at the 78th floor when his tower was struck. Witnesses say he was knocked unconscious by flying debris. Mr. Kestenbaum was always joking and made others laugh. He was an active member of Congregation Beth Ann in Verona, New Jersey, visited the sick and old, and volunteered at a homeless shelter.
Mary Jo Kimelman, 34, had worked for Cantor Fitzgerald for 13 years. Friends and family say she was an extremely loyal, outgoing person who wrote poetry and enjoyed traveling. Her boyfriend, Thierry LeBras, said she had a special talent of listening to people she had just met, getting them to open up about their lives. A memorial service was held for her at Temple Emanu-El in New York City.
Glenn Davis Kirwin, 40, was a senior vice president at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was also an avid cyclist, runner, golfer, and skier, who would go on 80-kilometer bicycle rides. His wife, Joan, says he always found time to play with his sons, Miles, 10, and Troy, 7, even after long workdays. A memorial service was held for him at Westchester Reform Temple in Scarsdale, New York.
Alan Kleinberg, 39, was just days away from transferring to a different Cantor Firzgerald office on September 11. He was survived by his wife, Mindy, a three-year old son, Sam, a seven-year old daughter, Lauren, and a nine-year old son, Jacob. His mother said Mr. Kleinberg limited his outside interests so he could spend more time with his family. A memorial service was held for him at the Jewish Center in East Brunswick, New Jersey.
Karen Joyce Klitzman, 38, worked at Cantor Fitzgerald. She and her twin sister Donna spoke with each other every day on the phone. Karen had taught English for two years in Macao and Beijing, China, and traveled in Siberia and throughout the Middle East. A memorial service was held for her at Stephen Weiss Free Synagogue in New York City.
Nicholas Craig Lassman, 28, was a computer technician for Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Lassman studied computers after several years of teaching golf in Florida. He also taught himself how to play the guitar and learned Russian and German so he could read books in those languages. He spoke to his parents, Ira and Laura Lassman, almost every day. A memorial service for Mr. Lassman was held at Temple Beth-El in Cloister, New Jersey.
Alan Lederman, 43, started work for Aon Corporation two months before September 11. Just before reporting to work, he climbed Mount Whitney, the tallest mountain in the continental United States. Most of his co-workers left the World Trade Center's south tower, where he worked, but Mr. Lederman stopped to help two women who were paralyzed by panic. A memorial service was held for him at Temple Neve Shalom in Metuchen, New Jersey.
Neil D. Levin, 46, was Executive Director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which runs New York's three major airports, its port facilities, six bridges and tunnels, and is landlord of the World Trade Center complex. Mr. Levin was at a breakfast meeting at the Windows on the World restaurant atop the north tower when it was hit on September 11. Mr. Levin's wife, Christine Ferer, called him "the love of my life, the most kind and generous person," and someone who became a "super-Dad" to Ms. Ferer's two daughters from a previous marriage. A memorial service for Mr. Levin was held at the Temple Emanu-El in New York City. His family set up a scholarship fund in his name for children of Port Authority employees killed on September 11.
Steven Barry Lillianthal, 38, was a mortgage bond broker for Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife Adina, 4-year old twins, Emma and Gabriel, and a three-month old son, Sam. A memorial service was held for Mr. Lillianthal at Temple B'nai Abraham in Livingston, New Jersey.
Nancy Morgenstern, 32, was an administrative assistant at Cantor Fitzgerald. She was an Orthodox Jew whose passions were cycling and skiing. She would bring kosher food and the pots and pans needed to stay kosher on cycling racing trips. In a website dedicated to her memory, her mother wrote, "Nancy, I miss you more than mere words can express. Not only were you my daughter, but you were also my best friend." A co-worker described Nancy as "one of the most thoughtful, disciplined, funny, crazy, independent women I ever knew." Fifty-eight friends wrote tributes to her on her memorial website.
Laurence M. Polatsch, 32, was a partner in equities sales at Cantor Fitzgerald. A prankster, Mr. Polatsch donned a tuxedo and crashed the 2000 wedding of celebrities Catherine Zeta-Jones and Michael Douglas. He ate with actor Jack Nicholson before security guards asked him to leave. Mr. Polatsch's mother said he once flew back from college to present her with flowers on her birthday. Recently, Mr. Polatsch had resumed a relationship with childhood sweetheart Marni Wasserman, and they were expected to marry. Guttermann Funeral Home in Woodbury, New York confirmed that Mr. Polatsch was Jewish.
Faina Rapaport, 45, was a computer programmer working as a consultant to March & McLellan. In 1994, she and her family emigrated from Moscow, Russia to New York. At the time of her death, her son Alex was 25 and her daughter, Elena, 19. Elena said, "I know my mother is still happy about coming to America. She accomplished things that she never would have been able to do in Russia."
Joshua Reiss, 23, was a bond trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. An enterprising young man, Joshua began delivering newspapers at age 10, worked in the family business before attending college, and worked full-time as a waiter while also being a full-time student with a double major at college. More than 1500 people attended his memorial service at Adath Israel Synagogue in Lawrenceville, New Jersey. On August 27, 2002, his mother wrote on the internet, "We miss you and still want you to come home. I will always have a void in my soul."
Brooke David Rosenbaum, 31, was supervisor in the overseas division of Cantor Fitzgerald. He was sick on September 10, but went to work the next day because, according to a friend, he felt that without him, "the whole place would fall apart." He was survived by his mother, Dorothy. A memorial service was held for him at the Jewish Center in Rego Park, New York.
Sheryl Lynn Rosenbaum, 33, was an accountant and partner at Cantor Fitzgerald. Her father described her as the "glue" of their family. She was survived by her husband, Mark, and two children, aged 3 months and 17 months. A memorial service was held for her at Temple Har Shalom in Warren, New Jersey.
Lloyd Daniel Rosenberg, 31, was a bond trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife Glenna and three daughters, Samantha, 5, Kaylee, 3, and Alyssa, 1. His wife said that "Lloyd's passion was being a ‘daddy.' His klix were his pride and joy. I will forever miss the Saturday mornings when I would sneak downstairs and watch him reading them a book or playing ‘horsie.'" A memorial service was held for him at Temple Shalom in Aberdeen, New Jersey.
Mark Louis Rosenberg, 26, was a computer programmer for Marsh & McLellan. He attended Marsha Stern Talmudical Academy in New York and Yeshiva University for a short time. Mr. Rosenberg met his wife, Jennifer, at a Jewish youth event. She said, "He was a great people person. He got along with everybody. He had a great smile and a great sense of humor."
Andrew Ira Rosenblum, 45, was a broker at Cantor Fitzgerald. He married his wife, Jill, at Temple Hillel in North Woodmere, New Jersey, and their sons Jordan and Kyle were 14 and 11, respectively, when their father died. Mr. Rosenblum's friend, Steve Cohen, said, "Andy was the kind of guy that had many circles of friends and many dear friends within each circle."
Joshua M. Rosenblum, 28, was an assistant trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was only four days away from marrying colleague Gina Hawryluk on September 11. Ms. Hawryluk stayed home from work that day to plan their wedding. Mr. Rosenblum and co-workers smashed out windows with computers on the 104th floor to let smoke escape. A memorial service was held for him at Temple Beth El in Cedarhurst, New York.
Joshua Rosenthal, 44, was a senior vice president at Fiduciary Trust. He was an avid reader, mountain hiker, and sailor. A friend described Mr. Rosenthal as "a wonderfully warm and witty person who was loved and admired by those who knew him." A memorial service was held for him at Birmingham Temple in Farmington Hills, Michigan.
Richard Rosenthal, 50, was vice president of finance at Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Rosenthal was treasurer of the Jewish Center in Fair Lawn, New Jersey and also treasurer of the Dysautonomia Foundation. His son Evan, 18 years old when Mr. Rosenthal died, suffers from dysautonomia, a disorder of the nervous system that confines him to a wheelchair. Evan has needed a feeding tube to eat since he was 2. Friends say Mr. Rosenthal "was always with [Evan]." His younger son Seth, 15 years old when Mr. Rosenthal died, said, following September 11, "I'm going to keep calling him on the cell phone until he answers."
Michael Craig Rothberg, 39, was a managing director for Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Rothberg was an avid skier, boater, and jogger. Described as "modest and unassuming" and extremely loyal to his co-workers, Mr. Rothberg raised money for multiple sclerosis in a bike-a-thon and for a friend who had cancer. A memorial service was held for him at the Temple Sholom in Greenwich, Connecticut.
Ronald J. Ruben, 36, was a vice president of equity trading at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods. Mr. Ruben, who was unmarried, "was Uncle Ronnie to 100 kids," said his sister, Leslie Dillon. When he received his first holiday bonus, he spent it all at a toy store, delivering gifts to children at a hospital near his home. Mr. Ruben's father, Peter, died of cancer in 1998 and his mother, Marjorie, died in 1996, also from cancer. To honor them, Mr. Ruben had their initials, M and P, tattooed over his heart. A memorial service was held for him at Temple Israel in Ridgewood, New Jersey.
Jason Elazar Sabbag, 26, was a portfolio manager at Fiduciary Trust. He was engaged to be married to Sarah Hare when he died. A memorial service was held for him at Temple Sholom in Greenwich, Connecticut, at which friends recalled his "warm demeanor, his playful sense of humor, his extraordinary talent in sports, academics, and business, and, most of all, his love for his family and very large circle of friends."
Eric Sand, 36, was an equity trader at cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Sand, a talented musician who had once pursued a career in music, had more recently played guitar for a special audience -- his young son, Aaron, who was 18 months old when Mr. Sand died. Mr. Sand's wife, Michelle, said he would rush home from work to spend as much time as possible with his son. A memorial service was held for Mr. Sand at Congregation B'nai Yisrael in Armonk, New York.
Scott Schertzer, 28, worked in the human resources department of Cantor Fitzgerald. On September 10, he felt terrible because he had to give layoff notices to a number of co-workers, but this saved their lives. Mr. Schertzer was an excellent soccer and baseball player who could bench press 102 kilograms, even though he weighed only 70 kilograms. A memorial service was held for him at Congregation B'nai Ahavath Shalom in Union, New Jersey. On December 5, 2001, his mother, father and sister posted this note on an internet memorial site: "We can never say ‘Good-bye.' You will always be with us. We love you and will always love you."
Ian Schneider, 45, was a senior managing director for Cantor Fitzgerald. His lifelong friend Howie Kessler said, "This guy loved life. No one danced harder at a party or shouted louder at a ball game." His wife Cheryl said that when he arrived home, his three children Rachel, 11, Jake, 9, and Sophie, 7, fought for the right to jump first into his arms. Almost 2000 people attended Mr. Schneider's memorial service at Temple Sharey Teflio-Israel in South Orange, New Jersey. Many were families of the children he coached on soccer, softball, and baseball teams, a chore he undertook so he could spend more time with his children.
John Burkhart Schwartz, 40, was a bond broker for Cantor Fitzgerald. A memorial service was held for him at Temple Emanu-El in New York City.
Jason Sekzer, 31, was a vice president at Cantor Fitzgerald. His father, Will Sekzer, who is active in a fraternal society of Jewish New York policemen, described his son as "handsome, smart, humble, and polite." Mr. Sekzer had married Nastasha Makshanov eight months before he died. On September 10, the photographer called to say that their album of wedding photographs was ready. A memorial service was held for him at East Midwood Jewish Center in Brooklyn, New York.
Hagay Shefi, 34, was the co-founder and chief executive of GoldTier Technologies, a software company. Mr. Shefi had lived in the United States for eight years, after emigrating from Israel, and was close to becoming a U.S. citizen. He was in the Windows on the World restaurant atop the World Trade Center to make a business presentation when it was struck. On September 16, 2001, his body was found intact in the rubble. He was survived by his wife Sigal, also from Israel, a five-year old son and a three-year old daughter.
Mark Shulman, 47, was a disaster inspector, fire prevention and risk consultant for March & McLellan. He was survived by his wife, Lori, and daughters Melissa, 17, and Jamie, 12. "His family always came first," his mother Evelyn said. "He did everything for his family. I lost a treasure." A memorial service was held for Mr. Shulman at Temple Shaari Emeth in Manalapan, New Jersey.
Allan Abraham Shwartzstein, 37, was a managing director and partner at Cantor Fitzgerald. "He was about the most considerate person I knew," longtime friend Mark Madoff said. One thousand people attended the memorial service for him at Temple Beth El in Chappaqua, New York. He was survived by his wife, Amy, a five-year old daughter, Jessica, and a four-year old son, Matthew.
Arthur Simon, 57, was a vice president and equities trader at Fred Alger Management company. He and his son, Kenneth Alan Simon, both died in the World Trade Center. The elder Mr. Simon worked on the 93rd floor; the younger on the 104th. One of Mr. Simon's greatest loves was dancing. He was survived by his wife, Susan, a son, Todd, and two daughters, Mandy and Jennifer. A memorial service was held for him and his son at Temple Beth El in Spring Valley, New Jersey.
Kenneth Alan Simon, 34, was an equities trader for Cantor Fitzgerald. He and his wife, Karen, had adopted a daughter, Maya, who was 10 months old when he died. "You should have seen his face when he looked into her big brown eyes for the first time," his wife said. "He just melted." The Simons had plans to adopt more children. Mr. Simon called his wife after the plane hit to say that he was going to look for his father, Arthur Simon, who worked 11 stories below him. A memorial service was held for both father and son at Temple Beth El in Spring Valley, New Jersey.
William E. Spitz, 49, was a government bonds broker at Cantor Fitzgerald. He had a degree in elementary education. A memorial service was held for him at Oceanside Jewish Center in Oceanside, New Jersey.
Eric A. Stahlman, 43, was a broker for Cantor Fitzgerald. He joined the company about 10 weeks before September 11. He was survived by his wife, Blanca, who is from Ecuador, a seven-year old daughter, Allison, and a four-year old son, Jacob. Long friendships and close family ties were the things he cherished most, family members said. A memorial service was held for him at Temple Beth El in Papchoque, New York.
Alexander Robbins Steinman, 32, was a vice president in equities sales for Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Steinman had attended the wedding in Italy of lifelong friend Richard Diamond on the weekend before September 11. He then rushed home to get back to work, which he loved. "Alex had an incredible sense of humor and he got as much out of life as anybody possibly could," Mr. Diamond said. He said Mr. Steinman had been "the life of the party" at his wedding in Italy. A memorial service was held for Mr. Steinman at Temple Israel in Staten Island, New York.
Kenneth W. Van Auken, 47, was a bond trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife Lorie, and two children, Matthew and Sarah. His wife says Mr. Van Auken was her "rock," the loving spirit in her life, and someone who was always willing to interrupt what he was doing to have some fun with his children. He was also a skilled carpenter, building a deck, bookcases, and other projects around his home. A memorial service was held for him at Temple B'nai Shalom in East Brunswick, New Jersey.
Steven Jay Weinberg, 41, was an accounting manager for Baseline Financial Services. He was survived by his wife Laurie and three children, Lindsay, 12, Samuel, 8, and Jason, 6. He went to all his children's sports events and volunteered at the Parents-Teachers Association. A memorial service for Mr. Weinberg was held at the Nanuet Hebrew Center.
Simon Weiser, 65, was a power-distribution engineer for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. A Jew born in Kiev, Ukraine in 1936, he arrived in New York in 1978. He was survived by his wife, a son, and three ganndchildren. He was planning to retire in 2002.
David Thomas Weiss, 50, was vice president and deputy general counsel for Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife Marcia and daughter Gina. He was described as a "very private man with a kind, sweet and generous heart and ... above all else ... limitless devotion to this family." A memorial service was held for him at the Brotherhood Synagogue in New York City.
Michael Wittenstein, 34, was a bond broker at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was scheduled to marry his fiancée, Carrie Bernstein, on October 20, 2001. His uncle, Mark Hershkowitz, said he had thought many times after the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993 about buying Michael a parachute, and wishes he had. "Michael was one of those people who always had a smile, always seemed happy at whatever he was doing," relative Warren Treuhaft wrote. As in the Jewish tradition, Mr. Wittenstein was buried with some of his possessions.
Marc Scott Zeplin, 33, was an equities trader for Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife, Debra, and two sons, Ryan, 3, and Ethan, 10 months old. Mr. Zeplin once dreamed of becoming a professional sportscaster, having broadcast hockey games at the University of Michigan. His friends formed the Marc S. Zeplin Foundation, which helps children who lost a parent or loved one on September 11. A memorial service for Mr. Zeplin was held at the Jewish Community Center in Harrisson, New York.
Charles A. Zion, 54, was a senior vice president at Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Zion was survived by his wife, Carole, and his 16-year old son, Zachary. "He was a great guy and a great husband," his wife said. A memorial service for Mr. Zion, who was the son of a rabbi, was held at the Greenwich Reformed Synagogue in Greenwich, Connecticut.
Andrew Steven Zucker, 27, was a lawyer with Harris Beach LLP, which had offices in the World Trade Center's south tower, which was the second one hit. Mr. Zucker, a former volunteer fireman, stayed around the 78th floor, where the second plane hit, to help others evacuate. He was survived by his wife Erica, who was pregnant with their first child when he died. Mr. Zucker was a member of the Jewish fraternity Alpha Epsilon Pi.
Igor Zukelman, 29, worked with computers at Fiduciary Trust Company, on the 97th floor of the north tower, which was hit first. Mr. Zukelman was an immigrant from the Ukraine, arriving in the United States in 1992, and was survived by his three-year old son. According to the World Congress of Russian Jewry, Mr. Zukleman was one of 16 Russian-speaking Jews killed in the September 11 attacks
Blobi...i ja dosta toga citam, pratim, gledam, nemam velike koristi od toga, osim kao sto si vec rekao da upijam informacije, ali obzirom da je svijet danas postao globalno selo i da je dostupnost informacija ogromna, imam osjecaj da toliko toga procitam, a jako malo kvalitetnih informacja usitinu dobijem, no svejedno, podrzavam te i mislim da je jako dobro znati u kakvom svijetu zivimo...trenutna afera sa Julies Assange-om je vema interesantna i budi svakakve ideje, od toga da je upravo poslan od strane "Elite" kako bi se fokus s necega jako bitnog prebacio na nesto trivijalno i opste poznato ili je on zaista stvarni heroj, borac za istinu i pravdu...to nikad saznati necemo...
Mogu ti preporuciti americkog profesora koji se zove David Duke, prezentuje vrlo interesantne teme, upravo one na koje si se ti osvrnuo u svom uvodnom postu, takodjer emisija pod nazivom "Na rubu znanosti" koja se emituje na HRT 1 obradjuje jako zanimljive i intrigantne teme...nedavno sam gledala onu u kojoj je gost bio Daniel Estulin, novinar koji je razotkrio Blderberg grupu i koji je do u tancine upoznat s velikim planovima "zidara", a neke od njih koji su trenutno na sceni je predvidio prije par godina, kao sto je velika svjetska kriza, bankrot Grcke i skori propast Europske unije...
pozdrav i samo nastavi, ima nas koji cemo pratiti ovu temu...
Laznih spiskova je bilo svuda i svagdje, i vrrlo je lako manipulisati imenima, brojevima, zrtvama, cak i u drugom svjestkom ratu...prvo se nisu mogli dogovoriti da li je konacni bilans zrtava 12 miliona, kada su shvatili da bi to bilo previse, cifru su spustili na 9 miliona, onda su se oopet predomislili i zaokruzili broj stradalih na 6 miliona Jevreja.
Ja licno,medjima, posebno onim preko bare, ma koliko tvrdili da su neovisni, ne vjerujem ama bas nista...misli li bilo ko od vas da je sasvim slucajno to sto niko od svjestkih, holywood-skih i svih inih celebrity-a ne zeli prisutnost tv-a u svom domu...ne bih rekla
Recimo FOX tv "ugledna", "objektivna", "nimalo manipulatorska, "potpuno neovisna tv kuca"...
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po teorijama zavjere jack trbosjek je bio otac winstona churchila...zasto ??kako?? e vako
u to vrijeme princ edi je trebao biti novi kralj britanije,,,medjutim on je bio pedofil,odradjivao sve sto ima dvije noge...od djece do bakica ..medjutim napravio je dijete jednoj prostitutki koju je navodno ozenio,,medjutim njegova familija nije bila sretna zbog toga i zbog cinjenice da je ona bila katolkinja.....njene prijateljice kad su to saznale pocele su da ucjenjuju kraljevsku porodicu..i nisu bile svjesne koga ucjenjuju i na sta su oni bili spremni da urade...
i bile su sve pobijene od ruke churchilovog oca ,,sve te zrtve su u sutini zrtve jack trbosjeka.......i sve je to bio satanisticki ritual,,,edija su zatvorili u neki dvorac u pritvor gdje je bio do kraja svog zivota....
da pogodim: nikad nisi posjetio/zivio/boravio u gradu vecem od dva miliona stanovnika? da jesi znao bi koliko je nemoguce obavijestiti sve Jevreje uposlene u WTC o napadu. na gornjem spisku zrtava imas mladu zenu iza koje je ostalo dijete od 17 mjeseci i drugo od 3 godine. sta mislis kako se njena porodica osjeca kad zna da ti sa drugog kraja svijeta pises da ona nije tamo ubijena? da ti pomognem: jednako kako se ti i tvoji osjecaju kad cetnici kazu da se Srebrenica nije desila ili kad Radovan kaze da smo sami gadali Markale. tvoje negiranje WTC i zrtava je identicno njihovom negiranju nase tragedije i nasih zrtava. Dzordz Bus nije gledao tv kad se desio napad nego bio u skoli na Floridi gdje je prisustvovao skolskom satu. O napadu je obavijesten poslije nekoliko minuta od osoba iz pratnje i sjedio je jos desetak minuta medju tom djecom dok nije izasao. Tornjevi su onako pali jer se taj tip tornjeva gradi po tipu bambusovog stapa: tezina opada sa visinom i kad pocnu padati tezina se progresivno povecava na osnovicu tornja. To mozes pitati svakog arhitektu koji ce ti samo reci da pogledas zemljotrese i kako ces isti princip rusenja vidjeti. Eksplozije u zgradi koje opisujes nisu uopce prije udara aviona vec u momentu udara i nastale su od povisenja pritiska i pucanja dijela strukture. Ljudi koji su upravljali avionima uopce nisu bili zatucani teroristi nego jako pametni, jako obrazovani i visokosofisticirani napadaci. Njihov lider Muhamed Atta npr je bio doktor masinskih nauka. Za upravljanje avionom nisu morali biti super obrazovani piloti, samo poznavati osnove letenja i elektroniku, sto su i naucili. Imas primjere laika koji su spustali letjelice vodjeni uputstvima sa zemlje. Najopasniji dio letenja je uzlijetanje i slijetanje. Oni ocito nisu imali namjeru sletjeti na konvencionalan nacin
O ovome radi cega si pokrenuo temu pise se evo vec deceniju i u samoj agresorskoj Americi vode ozbilje debate. Ako ti nije mrsko citati 150 stranica izvjestaja na engleskom radu ci tu postaviti izvjestaj ovdje koji ce ti opisati do detalja kako su objekti pali gledano iz ugla gradjevinskog inzenjera.
I btw, ako si bio u ratu u BiH jesu li te gadjali cetnici ili Amerikanci? I ko je poslao avione 1995 da bombarduje oko Sarajeva: Amerikanci ili vanzemaljci? jesi kad cuo za Irangejt? kad su Ameri prodavali oruzje Iranu pa finansirali kontrase u Srednjoj Americi? i jel ubacivano iransko oruzje za Armiju RBiH moglo biti sprijeceno ili su Ameri to dopustili kao saveznici RBiH?
cini se da ti je dosad jasno da se bas i ne slazem sa tvojim stavovima i da sam ponesto upucen u temu. najvise zato jer deceniju slusam price kako se to nije desilo a sad ce haman dvije decenije kako slusam price kako me komsije nisu htjele gadjati, kako se Omarska nije desila, kako je Alija kriv za rat i kako u Srebrenici nije bilo genocida. i skontam kako isti mentalni sklopovi negiraju WTC i Srebrenicu a kako su zrtve uvijek iste.
surajaa wrote:Laznih spiskova je bilo svuda i svagdje, i vrrlo je lako manipulisati imenima, brojevima, zrtvama, cak i u drugom svjestkom ratu...prvo se nisu mogli dogovoriti da li je konacni bilans zrtava 12 miliona, kada su shvatili da bi to bilo previse, cifru su spustili na 9 miliona, onda su se oopet predomislili i zaokruzili broj stradalih na 6 miliona Jevreja.
za spiskove nisi jedini. to je davno Seselj rekao npr za 8000 mrtvih u Srebrenici. da ih nije bilo toliko i da ih najveci broj glasa na poslijeratnim izborima. poslije je Vlada RS finansirala jedan lijep izvjestaj koji je pokazao da je u Srebrenici ubijeno manje od 300 ljudi. bas je problem tih spiskova sto se na njima nalaze ljudi sa imenima i prezimenima koji su ubijeni jer su pogresnog dana bili u Srebrenici ili WTC. i najveci problem tih spiskova je broj zrtava koji nam jasno i lijepo pokaze kako su beskrupulozni i nemilosrdni teroristi koji su ih ubijali.
i da pogodim...Markale su napravili sami Muslimani?
da pogodim: nikad nisi posjetio/zivio/boravio u gradu vecem od dva miliona stanovnika? da jesi znao bi koliko je nemoguce obavijestiti sve Jevreje uposlene u WTC o napadu. na gornjem spisku zrtava imas mladu zenu iza koje je ostalo dijete od 17 mjeseci i drugo od 3 godine. sta mislis kako se njena porodica osjeca kad zna da ti sa drugog kraja svijeta pises da ona nije tamo ubijena? da ti pomognem: jednako kako se ti i tvoji osjecaju kad cetnici kazu da se Srebrenica nije desila ili kad Radovan kaze da smo sami gadali Markale. tvoje negiranje WTC i zrtava je identicno njihovom negiranju nase tragedije i nasih zrtava. Dzordz Bus nije gledao tv kad se desio napad nego bio u skoli na Floridi gdje je prisustvovao skolskom satu. O napadu je obavijesten poslije nekoliko minuta od osoba iz pratnje i sjedio je jos desetak minuta medju tom djecom dok nije izasao. Tornjevi su onako pali jer se taj tip tornjeva gradi po tipu bambusovog stapa: tezina opada sa visinom i kad pocnu padati tezina se progresivno povecava na osnovicu tornja. To mozes pitati svakog arhitektu koji ce ti samo reci da pogledas zemljotrese i kako ces isti princip rusenja vidjeti. Eksplozije u zgradi koje opisujes nisu uopce prije udara aviona vec u momentu udara i nastale su od povisenja pritiska i pucanja dijela strukture. Ljudi koji su upravljali avionima uopce nisu bili zatucani teroristi nego jako pametni, jako obrazovani i visokosofisticirani napadaci. Njihov lider Muhamed Atta npr je bio doktor masinskih nauka. Za upravljanje avionom nisu morali biti super obrazovani piloti, samo poznavati osnove letenja i elektroniku, sto su i naucili. Imas primjere laika koji su spustali letjelice vodjeni uputstvima sa zemlje. Najopasniji dio letenja je uzlijetanje i slijetanje. Oni ocito nisu imali namjeru sletjeti na konvencionalan nacin
O ovome radi cega si pokrenuo temu pise se evo vec deceniju i u samoj agresorskoj Americi vode ozbilje debate. Ako ti nije mrsko citati 150 stranica izvjestaja na engleskom radu ci tu postaviti izvjestaj ovdje koji ce ti opisati do detalja kako su objekti pali gledano iz ugla gradjevinskog inzenjera.
I btw, ako si bio u ratu u BiH jesu li te gadjali cetnici ili Amerikanci? I ko je poslao avione 1995 da bombarduje oko Sarajeva: Amerikanci ili vanzemaljci? jesi kad cuo za Irangejt? kad su Ameri prodavali oruzje Iranu pa finansirali kontrase u Srednjoj Americi? i jel ubacivano iransko oruzje za Armiju RBiH moglo biti sprijeceno ili su Ameri to dopustili kao saveznici RBiH?
cini se da ti je dosad jasno da se bas i ne slazem sa tvojim stavovima i da sam ponesto upucen u temu. najvise zato jer deceniju slusam price kako se to nije desilo a sad ce haman dvije decenije kako slusam price kako me komsije nisu htjele gadjati, kako se Omarska nije desila, kako je Alija kriv za rat i kako u Srebrenici nije bilo genocida. i skontam kako isti mentalni sklopovi negiraju WTC i Srebrenicu a kako su zrtve uvijek iste.
Ja mislim da su to cionisti uradili sa WTC Oni su sposobni za svasta nesta
citroen wrote:
Ja mislim da su to cionisti uradili sa WTC Oni su sposobni za svasta nesta
slazem se I Alija je kriv za rat u Bosni i trebao je pristati da ostanemo u Jugoslaviji Posto stari fanatik nije pristao na takvu divnu ponudu komsije iz Valjeva, Kraljeva, Sida, Niksica i Beograda i tata skolskog druga iz trece klupe do prozora su nas morali ubijati u samoodbrani-sama slicnost sa genocidom je slucajna I u Srebrenici uopste to nije bilo kako nama kazu vec je na BN televiziji prikazan "objektivni" dukumentarac koji je pokazao svu velicinu i humanost srpstva i razotkrio muslimanske lazi
@Biznis. Ja sam eksplicitno naveo da se radi o uzasnoj tragediji u uvodu teme. Ono sto mene zanima su sljedeca pitanja koja sam postavio u uvodu teme, tj ko je zaista izveo taj napad. Nisu svi u americi istinski americki patriote. To je zemlja sa 350 miliona stanovnika, od kojih je stotinjak truhlih bogatasa koji raspolazu sa preko 50% ukupnog americkog kapitala, i koji rade za vise interese od onih koje i ti i ja mozemo shvatiti. Dakle, ponovo pitanja:
Da li je zaista bradati terorista bio u stanju sa savrsenom preciznoscu upravljati najmodernijim i jednim od najvecih komercijalnih aviona? Kako se moglo desiti da dva aviona skrenu sa predvidjene rute i krenu prema NY? Kako kontrola leta nije na vrijeme uspostavila vezu sa avionom i provjerila sta se desava? Kako to da su na 9/11 svi jevrejski uposlenici WTC-a, njih 9000, bili van zgrade, bas u to vrijeme? Kako to da se na snimcima prije samog udara aviona vide malene eksplozije, bas u trenutku kada avion treba udariti? Problemi sa sinhronizacijom? Kako to je George Bush gledao TV u trenutku udara prvog aviona, kad niko nije uspio snimiti sam udar prvog aviona u jednu od zgrada? Kako to da su se obje zgrade urusila onako savrseno precizno? Kako to da se glavni arhitekta kune u zivot svoj da se zgrade nisu mogle srusiti ni da je jos 10 aviona naknadno udarilo u njih?
Uglavnom, 9000 zaposlenih Jevreja taj dan je imalo day off, odmor ili nepredivdjeni izlaz. Pitanje je kako su znali? Jednostavna pitanja, a ti uplices srebrenicu i ne nudis odgovore.
@Biznis, zamolit cu te da ne uplices Aliju i Srebrenicu jer ti je analogija, da ne kazem glupa, vec neadekvatna. Poredis jednu malenu BiH koja je apsolutno nebitan faktor na globalnoj mapi, i velesilu Ameriku kojom upravljaju cionisti i koji se bore za osiguranje Izraela i neke nama neshvatljive ciljeve. To znaju i ptice na grani. Moje pitanje je jednostavno, ko stoji iza 9/11? Mozes li mi odgovoriti na to, jer jedan nepismeni bradati "terorist" koji je do jucer bosonog trcao po sahari da odjednom uzme cudo od tehnologije, Boeing 737 i savrseno precizno udari u toranj. Jes' aha!
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ja sam nedavno diskutovao sa bliskom osobom bas o ovim temama. i naravno doslo se jako brzo do podatka o 4000 jevreja. i meni ne bi mrsko i proguglam i nadjem informaciju kako je taj podatak postao istina. (ima na stranicama americke vlade )
ali nije to ni bitno sto se lako moze procitati da je to izmisljotina. problem je sto ovi sto vjeruju u konspiraciju da je neko zaista javio 4000 hiljadi da ne dolaze na posao, ne koriste svoj mozak.
zamislite da ste vi smislisli opaki plan da srusite dvije ogromne zgrade u centru NYC, sve s ciljem da napadnete afghanistan, pa onda irak... ali se opaki plan ne moze sprovesti bez da spassite 28-godisnjeg programera iz nju dzersija ili 50-godisnju sekretaricu iz brooklyna. zato ste dali zadatak nekome da obavjesti "jevreje" da ne idu na posao. eh, sad, nagradno pitanje je kako to izvesti? da li je cia uposlisla call centar iz indije da zove ljude? kako se znali ko je jevrej, a ko nije? kako su znali ko je taj dan trebao doci u zgradu, a ko ne? mislim, zar bi neko rizikovao propast tako paklenog plana zbog 4000 zivota?
a u pricu o protokolima samo idiot moze vjerovati. zao mi je sto moram biti grub, ali dosta vise torabisanja. (torabisanje: novi glaglol u bosanskom jeziku koji sam sad izmislio. oznacava banalizovanje, relativiziranje i izjedancavanje ozbiljnih stvari sa kretenlucima)
Blobi wrote:@Biznis, zamolit cu te da ne uplices Aliju i Srebrenicu jer ti je analogija, da ne kazem glupa, vec neadekvatna. Poredis jednu malenu BiH koja je apsolutno nebitan faktor u svijetu, i velesilu Ameriku kojom upravljaju cionisti i koji se bore za Izrael. To znaju i ptice na grani. Moje pitanje je jednostavno, ko stoji iza 9/11? Mozes li mi odgovoriti na to, jer jedan nepismeni bradati "terorist" koji je do jucer bosonog trcao po sahari da odjednom uzme cudo od tehnologije, Boeing 737 i savrseno precizno udari u toranj. Jes' aha!
nije ni nepismen, ni bradat. atta i raja su bas fino izgledali i bili dobri djaci.
i p.s sto potcjenjujes muslimane? islamofobu jedan.
Blobi wrote:@Biznis. Ja sam eksplicitno naveo da se radi o uzasnoj tragediji u uvodu teme. Ono sto mene zanima su sljedeca pitanja koja sam postavio u uvodu teme, tj ko je zaista izveo taj napad. Nisu svi u americi istinski americki patriote. To je zemlja sa 350 miliona stanovnika, od kojih je stotinjak truhlih bogatasa koji raspolazu sa preko 50% ukupnog americkog kapitala, i koji rade za vise interese od onih koje i ti i ja mozemo shvatiti. Dakle, ponovo pitanja:
Da li je zaista bradati terorista bio u stanju sa savrsenom preciznoscu upravljati najmodernijim i jednim od najvecih komercijalnih aviona? Kako se moglo desiti da dva aviona skrenu sa predvidjene rute i krenu prema NY? Kako kontrola leta nije na vrijeme uspostavila vezu sa avionom i provjerila sta se desava? Kako to da su na 9/11 svi jevrejski uposlenici WTC-a, njih 9000, bili van zgrade, bas u to vrijeme? Kako to da se na snimcima prije samog udara aviona vide malene eksplozije, bas u trenutku kada avion treba udariti? Problemi sa sinhronizacijom? Kako to je George Bush gledao TV u trenutku udara prvog aviona, kad niko nije uspio snimiti sam udar prvog aviona u jednu od zgrada? Kako to da su se obje zgrade urusila onako savrseno precizno? Kako to da se glavni arhitekta kune u zivot svoj da se zgrade nisu mogle srusiti ni da je jos 10 aviona naknadno udarilo u njih?
Uglavnom, 9000 zaposlenih Jevreja taj dan je imalo day off, odmor ili nepredivdjeni izlaz. Pitanje je kako su znali? Jednostavna pitanja, a ti uplices srebrenicu i ne nudis odgovore.
citaj polako sta ti sad pisem jer ocito nisi procitao nijedan od prethodnih postova: Vjerovatno nisi nikad bio/vidio/posjetio/zivio u gradu od vecem od dva miliona stanovnika? jer da jesi znao bi da je nemoguce obavijestiti 9000 ljudi o takvom dogadjaju i da to ostane tajna.
dao sam ti dio spiska zrtava koje su jevreji. dakle, nije istina sto kazes da nije bilo jevreja. samo malo utipkaj u google i pojkavice ti se imena i spiskovi.
"bradati terorista" je jako pametan, obrazovan i visokosofistican napadac. vodja je npr imao doktorat.
kontrola leta jeste pokusavala uspostaviti kontakt ali nije uspjela i odmah obavijestila NORAD o tome.
eksplozije na zgradi u momentu udara su nastale od ppovisenja pritiska jer letjelica koja je udarala u objekat ima nekoliko desetina tona visokobrizantnog goriva u sebi.
Dordz Bush u monetu udara nije gledao tv vec bio na skolskom satu u skoli na Floridi.
na zgradu je bio izvrsen napad i 1993 godine. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed je tada dosao na ideju rusenja WTC udarom iznad 30 sprata jer je na sudjenju za prvi napad spomenuto da se zgrada nije mogla srusiti udarom sa zemlje.
Srebrenicu sam uporedio sa WTC jer isti mentalni sklop negira Srebrenicu i WTC. Ista je prica da se to nije desilo i da su spiskovi lazni. Isto sto ti pricas za WTC prica Seselj, Radovan i BN televizija za Srebrenicu.
Do mene je
. Bas ima naivnog naroda...
