Sirija

[tesanj]

sada pitanje ovima sto vole ove bradonje,. ako maerika napadne siriju, ratovace protiv vojske sirije,., i onako laicki gledano,. ameri ce ispalit stotine raketa prvi sat, mozda ce privuc i brodove i opalit salvu granatla reda radi,. ta vojska ce pasti za sedmicu, kada udje pjsesadija ove bradonje ce preuzet vlast i pocet ubijat ove druge vjere, sto drugacije klanjaju,ko sto sada rade. pocece samoubilacki napadi nesto kao sto se desava po iraku, progon normalnog siriskog stanovnistva,.slicno se desava u libiji,. ti pobunjenici nesto slicno ko vrs,. ce cinit masakre zlodjela,. ameri ce za to vrijeme spojit arapski cjevovod na tursku, sto je i cilj jer arapi su naredili da je jeftinije cijevkom dovest gorivo do evrope nego brodom,,. arapski plin je jeftiniji od ruskog,., od sirije mirne zemlje ce nastat nova libija glad bjeda,. od ono malo turisticke zajednice sto je dolazilo nece se niko vratit,. i sta su dobili bradonje serijetsku zemlju drzavu,. nove regrute za neku novi siriju,. negdje u blizini,.,,

i to ce da bude jos jedna odskocna daska za iran(onu zemlju koji arapi mrze) a hocel to rusi dopustit jer ako međeda probudis budi spreman da se sucis sa njim,., mozda ce sirija napokon ujedinit ruske generale,. pa mozda ovi ponabijaju bradonje na kolce i obaspu ih dolarima jer ovaj rat je za dolar bradonje i ameri na jednoj strani legitimna drzava na drugoj jbga uvjek je dolar jaci

Ti argumenti ne piju vodu ovdje. Naftovod, gasovd, nestanak Sirije kao jake drzava to su za ove "pobunjenike" teorije zavjere. Dakle poslije tomahavka slijedi rekonstrukcija zamlje, slobodni demokratski izbori i rahatluk, a to sektaski sukobi, bombasi, kamioni s eksplozivom idr. pa gdje to ima, dakle vjeruj nama "pobunjenicima" a ne svojim ocima.

[Avetinho]

Svi ovi kreteni koji se raduju predstojećoj američkoj agresiji na još jednu zemlju bi trebali pogledati malo unatrag i vidjeti rezultate iste u Iraku. Ako je do sada ginulo 1000 ljudi dnevno, od sada će ginuti duplo više. Ko god misli da će se u Siriji ponoviti Libija - glup je.

Imas li kakvu slicnu mudrost za genijalce koji se raduju asadistickim razaranjima sirijskih gradova?

[joe_black]

Ma apsolutno je svejedno ko je upotrijebio sarin u siriji...Danas su Medjunarodno pravo, moral ,pravda isl...0000
Zelim Sirijcima da uzivaju u DEMOKRATIJI koja im kuca na vrata i Iranu da se dozove pameti...

[nOrMaLaC]

Kako god se situacija bude odvijala mi ćemo biti uz našeg dragog Bashara Assada i uz Sirijski narod, ali i uz hrabre momke iz SAA!

[Banksy]

BY JAMES P. RUBIN |JUNE 4, 2012

...

A successful intervention in Syria would require substantial diplomatic and military leadership from the United States. Washington should start by declaring its willingness to work with regional allies like Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey to organize, train, and arm Syrian rebel forces. The announcement of such a decision would, by itself, likely cause substantial defections from the Syrian military. Then, using territory in Turkey and possibly Jordan, U.S. diplomats and Pentagon officials could start strengthening and unifying the opposition. Once the opposition knows real outside help is on the way, it should be possible over time to build a coherent political leadership based on the Syrian National Council as well as a manageable command and control structure for the Free Syrian Army, both of which are now weak and divided. This will be difficult and time-consuming, but we should remember that the Syrian civil war is now destined to go on for years, whether the outside world intervenes or not.

A second step worth serious consideration is to secure international support for a coalition air operation. Russia will never support such a mission, so there is no point operating through the U.N. Security Council. And given the reluctance of some European states, NATO may be difficult as well. Therefore, this operation will have to be a unique combination of Western and Middle East countries. Given Syria's extreme isolation within the Arab League, it should be possible to gain strong support from most Arab countries, led by Saudi Arabia and Turkey. U.S. leadership is indispensable, since most of the key countries will follow only if Washington leads.

Some worry that U.S. involvement risks a confrontation with Russia. However, the Kosovo example -- where NATO went to war against another Russian ally, while Moscow did little more than complain -- shows otherwise. In that case, Russia had genuine ethnic and political ties to the Serbs, which don't exist between Russia and Syria. Managing Russia's reaction to outside intervention will be difficult but should not be exaggerated.

Arming the Syrian opposition and creating a coalition air force to support them is a low-cost, high-payoff approach. Whether an air operation should just create a no-fly zone that grounds the regimes' aircraft and helicopters or actually conduct air to ground attacks on Syrian tanks and artillery should be the subject of immediate military planning. And as Barak, the Israeli defense minister, also noted, Syria's air defenses may be better than Libya's but they are no match for a modern air force.

The larger point is that as long as Washington stays firm that no U.S. ground troops will be deployed, à la Kosovo and Libya, the cost to the United States will be limited. Victory may not come quickly or easily, but it will come. And the payoff will be substantial. Iran would be strategically isolated, unable to exert its influence in the Middle East. The resulting regime in Syria will likely regard the United States as more friend than enemy. Washington would gain substantial recognition as fighting for the people in the Arab world, not the corrupt regimes.

...
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... a?page=0,0

[dječak sa šibicama]

Svi ovi kreteni koji se raduju predstojećoj američkoj agresiji na još jednu zemlju bi trebali pogledati malo unatrag i vidjeti rezultate iste u Iraku. Ako je do sada ginulo 1000 ljudi dnevno, od sada će ginuti duplo više. Ko god misli da će se u Siriji ponoviti Libija - glup je.

Ja jedva cekam da DRONovi pocnu rokati vehabose, kad i ako zavrse sa Asadom.

vidjeces onda naglog zaokreta "misljenja" kod vehaboljubaca, kme kme napadaju muslimane, kme kme americki zlotvori. Pa kad se pojave slike iz nekog sirijskog Abu Graiba, pa kad ih pocnu kidnapovati po Siriji i prebacivati u Guantanamo, odmah ce se snimati dokumentarci o zlotvorima americkim koji genocidisu nevine bradonje.

Misljenje pod navodnike jer oni ga i nemaju, to su isprane glave.

[GrIzLy__]

Nije imala.
Srbi su imali vrhunac tehnologije iz 70-ih godina proslog veka.

и опет победили цели нато пакт
шта че тек асад да им уради са тим ес тристо и разним другим есовима кукала им мајка

прво че да их бије а онда че да их кара

Jest da je offtopic, ali ovo je baš nepismeno.

[japin_mutapi]

Ovi nasi "pobunjenici" namjerno izbjegavaju spomenut Izrael. Iako je svima jasnno da su glavni igrac ovdje se pojedini ponasaju kao da ne postoji. Allooo, ovdje glavnu rijec vode cionisti trebal ponovit, samo neko ko je blentav to nemoze vidjet. Pa majka mu stara mozel iko pomislit da ovo sto se desava nije osmisljeno u Tel Avivu. Hajd sad raspalte po Rusiji, Iranu, bradonjama nemoj ko slucajno da spomene Izrael

NA predavanju nije tako saopšteno

zato su politički komesari objasnili cijelu situaciju i međusobne odnose svih objekata i subjekata akutalnih događanja na BI

[TRENT]

Svi ovi kreteni koji se raduju predstojećoj američkoj agresiji na još jednu zemlju bi trebali pogledati malo unatrag i vidjeti rezultate iste u Iraku. Ako je do sada ginulo 1000 ljudi dnevno, od sada će ginuti duplo više. Ko god misli da će se u Siriji ponoviti Libija - glup je.

Ja jedva cekam da DRONovi pocnu rokati vehabose, kad i ako zavrse sa Asadom.

vidjeces onda naglog zaokreta "misljenja" kod vehaboljubaca, kme kme napadaju muslimane, kme kme americki zlotvori. Pa kad se pojave slike iz nekog sirijskog Abu Graiba, pa kad ih pocnu kidnapovati po Siriji i prebacivati u Guantanamo, odmah ce se snimati dokumentarci o zlotvorima americkim koji genocidisu nevine bradonje.

Misljenje pod navodnike jer oni ga i nemaju, to su isprane glave.

A isti ti koji ce kme kme napadaju muslimane,su citav rat kod nas cekali da cEmerika napadne "anamo vlahe"i da ce nas osloboditi.I da se opet zarat kod nas,isti bi prizeljkivali udare ne od Turske i Sirije vec od Amerike.Licemjerstvo u Bosnjaka po ko zna koji put.

[Alfons Kauders]

A isti ti koji ce kme kme napadaju muslimane,su citav rat kod nas cekali da cEmerika napadne "anamo vlahe"i da ce nas osloboditi.I da se opet zarat kod nas,isti bi prizeljkivali udare ne od Turske i Sirije vec od Amerike.Licemjerstvo u Bosnjaka po ko zna koji put.

pa ovi rusofili bi u bosni valjda navijali za onog za koga navija Putin?

protiv bradonja, zna se

[GrIzLy__]

Neće ni Amerikanci udarati tamo gdje bi mogli imati veće gubitke, jednostavno iz razloga što im javnost to ne može podnijeti. Gledajući sa materijalne strane i njihov budžet, i da izgube npr. 100 aviona to im ništa ne znači, ali psihološki efekat je itekako ozbiljan problem.

niko nije ni govorio o avionima, nijednom, nikad - samo se pricalo o krstarecim raketama

sad odakle raja kupi te informacije da ce avijacija ucestvovati, pojma nemam

a ameri nisu izgubili 100 aviona u nekom ratu jos od vijetnama

Naravno da nisu izgubili 100 aviona, jer nikad nisu ni našli sebi dostojnog protivnika. To ti je kao da Kličko uleti u punu učionicu osnovaca. Baš bih volio vidjeti Amere protiv Kineza.

[jefferson]

Kako god se situacija bude odvijala mi ćemo biti uz našeg dragog Bashara Assada i uz Sirijski narod, ali i uz hrabre momke iz SAA!

Otkad je Assad nas? Gdje to on rodjen? Na cengic vili?

[muzicar_iz_parka]

Okreni obrni, kako god bude, jedini pobjednik svega je Izrael, a Amerikanci trasiraju put za napad na Iran.

[muzicar_iz_parka]

Kako god se situacija bude odvijala mi ćemo biti uz našeg dragog Bashara Assada i uz Sirijski narod, ali i uz hrabre momke iz SAA!

Otkad je Assad nas? Gdje to on rodjen? Na cengic vili?

U Banovićima.

[japin_mutapi]

и опет победили цели нато пакт
шта че тек асад да им уради са тим ес тристо и разним другим есовима кукала им мајка

прво че да их бије а онда че да их кара

Jest da je offtopic, ali ovo je baš nepismeno.

slažem se

[Alfons Kauders]

Neće ni Amerikanci udarati tamo gdje bi mogli imati veće gubitke, jednostavno iz razloga što im javnost to ne može podnijeti. Gledajući sa materijalne strane i njihov budžet, i da izgube npr. 100 aviona to im ništa ne znači, ali psihološki efekat je itekako ozbiljan problem.

niko nije ni govorio o avionima, nijednom, nikad - samo se pricalo o krstarecim raketama

sad odakle raja kupi te informacije da ce avijacija ucestvovati, pojma nemam

a ameri nisu izgubili 100 aviona u nekom ratu jos od vijetnama

Naravno da nisu izgubili 100 aviona, jer nikad nisu ni našli sebi dostojnog protivnika. To ti je kao da Kličko uleti u punu učionicu osnovaca. Baš bih volio vidjeti Amere protiv Kineza.

pa imao si ih priliku gledati 1950 - 1953... super su se proveli kinezi, nema sta...

a imas i na bliskom istoku primjere... iran vs irak... iranci im se posteno najebali majke, koristeci americko oruzje i taktiku... izrael je suvisno i navoditi... ali evo jedan fin detalj... pocetkom sedamdesetih ruje pametovale egipcanima kako su neprofesionalni i kako ne koriste njihovu opremu kako treba... i polete tako ruje instruktori u 21icima na suez, izraelci ih poskidaju ko budale...

[sandokann]

sada pitanje ovima sto vole ove bradonje,. ako maerika napadne siriju, ratovace protiv vojske sirije,., i onako laicki gledano,. ameri ce ispalit stotine raketa prvi sat, mozda ce privuc i brodove i opalit salvu granatla reda radi,. ta vojska ce pasti za sedmicu, kada udje pjsesadija ove bradonje ce preuzet vlast i pocet ubijat ove druge vjere, sto drugacije klanjaju,ko sto sada rade. pocece samoubilacki napadi nesto kao sto se desava po iraku, progon normalnog siriskog stanovnistva,.slicno se desava u libiji,. ti pobunjenici nesto slicno ko vrs,. ce cinit masakre zlodjela,. ameri ce za to vrijeme spojit arapski cjevovod na tursku, sto je i cilj jer arapi su naredili da je jeftinije cijevkom dovest gorivo do evrope nego brodom,,. arapski plin je jeftiniji od ruskog,., od sirije mirne zemlje ce nastat nova libija glad bjeda,. od ono malo turisticke zajednice sto je dolazilo nece se niko vratit,. i sta su dobili bradonje serijetsku zemlju drzavu,. nove regrute za neku novi siriju,. negdje u blizini,.,,

i to ce da bude jos jedna odskocna daska za iran(onu zemlju koji arapi mrze) a hocel to rusi dopustit jer ako međeda probudis budi spreman da se sucis sa njim,., mozda ce sirija napokon ujedinit ruske generale,. pa mozda ovi ponabijaju bradonje na kolce i obaspu ih dolarima jer ovaj rat je za dolar bradonje i ameri na jednoj strani legitimna drzava na drugoj jbga uvjek je dolar jaci

Kada padne prva raketa na tlo Sirije, od strane zapadnih snaga, znacit ce da je agresija zapocela. Tek tada vidjet ce se stvarna snaga Assadove vojske i moguci odgovori.

Jednu raketu da ispali na Tel Aviv zadobit ce "simpatije" onih koji danas jedva cekaju njegov kraj. Odnosno, moze zapaliti cijeli Bliski istok.

Zbog toga, nemoj se puno obazirati na pisanja raznih forumasa o blic akciji, jer da je tako stvar bi davno bila zavrsena. U pitanju je puno slozeniji kolac od dosadasnjih meta Amerike.

[Banksy]

Engdahl: Syria, Turkey, Israel and a Greater Middle East Energy War

October 12, 2012



On October 3, 2012 the Turkish military launched repeated mortar shellings inside Syrian territory. The military action, which was used by the Turkish military, conveniently, to establish a ten-kilometer wide no-man’s land “buffer zone” inside Syria, was in response to the alleged killing by Syrian armed forces of several Turkish civilians along the border. There is widespread speculation that the one Syrian mortar that killed five Turkish civilians well might have been fired by Turkish-backed opposition forces intent on giving Turkey a pretext to move militarily, in military intelligence jargon, a ‘false flag’ operation. [1]

Turkey’s Muslim Brotherhood-friendly Foreign Minister, the inscrutable Ahmet Davutoglu, is the government’s main architect of Turkey’s self-defeating strategy of toppling its former ally Bashar Al-Assad in Syria. [2]

According to one report since 2006 under the government of Islamist Sunni Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and his pro-Brotherhood AKP party, Turkey has become a new center for the Global Muslim Brotherhood [3]. A well-informed Istanbul source relates the report that before the last Turkish elections, Erdogan’s AKP received a “donation” of $10 billion from the Saudi monarchy, the heart of world jihadist Salafism under the strict fundamentalist cloak of Wahabism [4]. Since the 1950’s when the CIA brought leading members in exile of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood to Saudi Arabia there has been a fusion between the Saudi brand of Wahabism and the aggressive jihadist fundamentalism of the Brotherhood [5].

The Turkish response to the single Syrian mortar shell, which was met with an immediate Syrian apology for the incident, borders on a full-scale war between two nations which until last year were historically, culturally, economically and even in religious terms, closest of allies.

That war danger is ever more serious. Turkey is a full member of NATO whose charter explicitly states, an attack against one NATO state is an attack against all. The fact that nuclear-armed Russia and China both have made defense of the Syrian Bashar al-Assad regime a strategic priority puts the specter of a World War closer than most of us would like to imagine.

In a December 2011 analysis of the competing forces in the region, former CIA analyst Philip Giraldi made the following prescient observation:

“NATO is already clandestinely engaged in the Syrian conflict, with Turkey taking the lead as U.S. proxy. Ankara’s foreign minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, has openly admitted that his country is prepared to invade as soon as there is agreement among the Western allies to do so. The intervention would be based on humanitarian principles, to defend the civilian population based on the “responsibility to protect” doctrine that was invoked to justify Libya. Turkish sources suggest that intervention would start with creation of a buffer zone along the Turkish-Syrian border and then be expanded. Aleppo, Syria’s largest and most cosmopolitan city, would be the crown jewel targeted by liberation forces.

Unmarked NATO warplanes are arriving at Turkish military bases close to Iskenderum on the Syrian border, delivering weapons from the late Muammar Gaddafi’s arsenals as well as volunteers from the Libyan Transitional National Council who are experienced in pitting local volunteers against trained soldiers, a skill they acquired confronting Gaddafi’s army. Iskenderum is also the seat of the Free Syrian Army, the armed wing of the Syrian National Council. French and British special forces trainers are on the ground, assisting the Syrian rebels while the CIA and U.S. Spec Ops are providing communications equipment and intelligence to assist the rebel cause, enabling the fighters to avoid concentrations of Syrian soldiers” [6].

Little noted was the fact that at the same day as Turkey launched her over-proportional response in the form of a military attack on Syrian territory, one which was still ongoing as of this writing, the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) undertook what was apparently an action to divert Syria’s attention from Turkey and to create the horror scenario of a two-front war just as Germany faced in two world wars. The IDF made a significant troop buildup on the strategic Golan Heights bordering the two countries, which, since Israel took it in the 1967 war, has been an area of no tension [7].

The unfolding new phase of direct foreign military intervention by Turkey, supported de facto by Israel’s right-wing Netanyahu regime, curiously enough follows to the letter a scenario outlined by a prominent Washington neo-conservative Think Tank, The Brookings Institution. In their March 2012 strategy white paper, Saving Syria: Assessing Options for Regime Change, Brookings geo-political strategists laid forth a plan to misuse so-called humanitarian concern over civilian deaths, as in Libya in 2011, to justify an aggressive military intervention into Syria, something not done before this [8].

The Brookings report states the following scenario:

Israel could posture forces on or near the Golan Heights and, in so doing, might divert regime forces from suppressing the opposition. This posture may conjure fears in the Assad regime of a multi-front war, particularly if Turkey is willing to do the same on its border and if the Syrian opposition is being fed a steady diet of arms and training [9].

This seems to be precisely what is unfolding in the early days of October 2012. The authors of the Brookings report are tied to some of the more prominent neo-conservative warhawks behind the Bush-Cheney war on Iraq. Their sponsor, the Saban Center for Middle East Policy, includes current foreign policy advisers to Republican right-wing candidate Mitt Romney, the open favorite candidate of Israel’s Netanyahu.

The Brookings Saban Center for Middle East Policy which issued the report, is the creation of a major donation from Haim Saban, an Israeli-American media billionaire who also owns the huge German Pro7 media giant. Haim Saban is open about his aim to promote specific Israeli interests with his philanthropy.The New York Times once called Saban, “a tireless cheerleader for Israel.” Saban told the same newspaper in an interview in 2004, "I’m a one-issue guy and my issue is Israel" [10]."

The scholars at Saban as well as its board have a clear neo-conservative and Likud party bias. They include, past or present, Shlomo Yanai, former head of military planning, Israel Defense Forces; Martin Indyk, former US Ambassador to Israel and founder of the pro-Israel Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP), a major Likud policy lobby in Washington. Visiting fellows have included Avi Dicter, former head of Israel’s Shin Bet; Yosef Kupperwasser, former Head, Research Department, Israeli Defense Force’s Directorate of Military Intelligence. Resident scholars also include Bruce Riedel, a 30 year CIA Middle East expert and Obama Afghan adviser [11]; Kenneth Pollack, another former CIA Middle East expert who was indicted in an Israel espionage scandal when he was a national security official with the Bush Administration [12].

Why would Israel want to get rid of the “enemy she knows,” Bashar al-Assad, for a regime controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood? Then Israel’s security would seemingly be threatened by the emergence of hard-line Muslim Brotherhood regimes in Egypt to her south and Syria to her North, perhaps soon also in Jordan.

The geopolitical dimension

The significant question to be asked at this point is what could bind Israel, Turkey, Qatar in a form of unholy alliance on the one side, and Assad’s Syria, Iran, Russia and China on the other side, in such deadly confrontation over the political future of Syria? One answer is energy geopolitics.

What has yet to be fully appreciated in geopolitical assessments of the Middle East is the dramatically rising importance of the control of natural gas to the future of not only Middle East gas producing countries, but also of the EU and Eurasia including Russia as producer and China as consumer.

Natural gas is rapidly becoming the “clean energy” of choice to replace coal and nuclear electric generation across the European Union, most especially since Germany’s decision to phase out nuclear after the Fukushima disaster. Gas is regarded as far more “environmentally friendly” in terms of its so-called “carbon footprint.” The only realistic way EU governments, from Germany to France to Italy to Spain, will be able to meet EU mandated CO2 reduction targets by 2020 is a major shift to burning gas instead of coal. Gas reduces CO2 emissions by 50-60% over coal [13]. Given that the economic cost of using gas instead of wind or other alternative energy forms is dramatically lower, gas is rapidly becoming the energy of demand for the EU, the biggest emerging gas market in the world.

Huge gas resource discoveries in Israel, in Qatar and in Syria combined with the emergence of the EU as the world’s potentially largest natural gas consumer, combine to create the seeds of the present geopolitical clash over the Assad regime.

Syria-Iran-Iraq Gas pipeline

In July 2011, as the NATO and Gulf states’ destabilization operations against Assad in Syria were in full swing, the governments of Syria, Iran and Iraq signed an historic gas pipeline energy agreement which went largely unnoticed amid CNN reports of the Syrian unrest. The pipeline, envisioned to cost $10 billion and take three years to complete, would run from the Iranian Port Assalouyeh near the South Pars gas field in the Persian Gulf, to Damascus in Syria via Iraq territory. Iran ultimately plans then to extend the pipeline from Damascus to Lebanon’s Mediterranean port where it would be delivered to EU markets. Syria would buy Iranian gas along with a current Iraqi agreement to buy Iranian gas from Iran’s part of South Pars field.

South Pars, whose gas reserves lie in a huge field that is divided between Qatar and Iran in the Gulf, is believed to be the world’s largest single gas field [14]. De facto it would be a Shi’ite gas pipeline from Shi’ite Iran via Shi’ite-majority Iraq onto Shi’ite-friendly Alawite Al-Assad’s Syria.

Adding to the geopolitical drama is the fact that the South Pars gas find lies smack in the middle of the territorial divide in the Persian Gulf between Shi’ite Iran and the Sunni Salafist Qatar. Qatar also just happens to be a command hub for the Pentagon’s US Central Command, headquarters of United States Air Forces Central, No. 83 Expeditionary Air Group RAF, and the 379th Air Expeditionary Wing of the USAF. In brief Qatar, in addition to owning and hosting the anti-Al-Assad TV station Al-Jazeera [15], which beams anti-Syria propaganda across the Arab world, Qatar is tightly linked to the US and NATO military presence in the Gulf.

Qatar apparently has other plans with their share of the South Pars field than joining up with Iran, Syria and Iraq to pool efforts. Qatar has no interest in the success of the Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline, which would be entirely independent of Qatar or Turkey transit routes to the opening EU markets. In fact it is doing everything possible to sabotage it, up to and including arming Syria’s rag-tag “opposition” fighters, many of them Jihadists sent in from other countries including Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Libya.

Further adding to Qatar’s determination to destroy the Syria-Iran-Iraq gas cooperation is the discovery in August 2011 by Syrian exploration companies of a huge new gas field in Qara near the border with Lebanon and near to the Russian-leased Naval port of Tarsus on the Syrian Mediterranean [16]. Any export of Syrian or Iranian gas to the EU would go through the Russian-tied port of Tarsus. According to informed Algerian sources, the new Syrian gas discoveries, though the Damascus government is downplaying it, are believed to equal or exceed those of Qatar.

As Asia Times’ knowledgeable analyst Pepe Escobar pointed out in a recent piece, Qatar’s scheme calls for export of its huge gas reserves via Jordan’s Gulf of Aqaba, a country where a Muslim Brotherhood threat to the dictatorship of the King is also threatening. The Emir of Qatar has apparently cut a deal with the Muslim Brotherhood in which he backs their international expansion in return for a pact of peace at home in Qatar. A Muslim Brotherhood regime in Jordan and also in Syria, backed by Qatar, would change the entire geopolitics of the world gas market suddenly and decisively in Qatar’s favor and to the disadvantage of Russia, Syria, Iran and Iraq [17]. That would also be a staggering negative blow to China.

As Escobar points out, “it’s clear what Qatar is aiming at: to kill the US$10 billion Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline, a deal that was clinched even as the Syria uprising was already underway. Here we see Qatar in direct competition with both Iran (as a producer) and Syria (as a destination), and to a lesser extent, Iraq (as a transit country). It’s useful to remember that Tehran and Baghdad are adamantly against regime change in Damascus.” He adds, “if there’s regime change in Syria - helped by the Qatari-proposed invasion - things get much easier in Pipelineistan terms. A more than probable Muslim Brotherhood (MB) post-Assad regime would more than welcome a Qatari pipeline. And that would make an extension to Turkey much easier [18].”

The Israeli Gas dilemma

Further complicating the entire picture is the recent discovery of huge offshore Israeli natural gas resources.

The Tamar natural gas field off the coast of northern Israel is expected to begin yielding gas for Israel’s use in late 2012. The game-changer was a dramatic discovery in late 2010 of an enormous natural gas field offshore of Israel in what geologists call the Levant or Levantine Basin. In October 2010 Israel discovered a massive “super-giant” gas field offshore in what it declares is its Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) [19].

The find is some 84 miles west of the Haifa port and three miles deep. They named it Leviathan after the Biblical sea monster. Three Israeli energy companies in cooperation with the Houston Texas Noble Energy announced initial estimates that the field contained 16 trillion cubic feet of gas—making it the world’s biggest deep-water gas find in a decade, adding more discredit to “peak oil” theories that the planet is about to see dramatic and permanent shortages of oil, gas and coal. To put the number in perspective, that one gas field, Leviathan, would hold enough reserves to supply Israel’s gas needs for 100 years [20].

Energy self-sufficiency had eluded the state of Israel since its founding in 1948. Abundant oil and gas exploration had repeatedly been undertaken with meager result. Unlike its energy-rich Arab neighbors, Israel seemed out of luck. Then in 2009 Israel’s Texas exploration partner, Noble Energy, discovered the Tamar field in the Levantine Basin some 50 miles west of Israel’s port of Haifa with an estimated 8.3 tcf (trillion cubic feet) of highest quality natural gas. Tamar was the world’s largest gas discovery in 2009.

At the time, total Israeli gas reserves were estimated at only 1.5 tcf. Government estimates were that Israel’s sole operating field, Yam Tethys, which supplies about 70 percent of the country’s natural gas, would be depleted within three years.

With Tamar, prospects began to look considerably better. Then, just a year after Tamar, the same consortium led by Noble Energy struck the largest gas find in its decades-long history at Leviathan in the same Levantine geological basin. Present estimates are that the Leviathan field holds at least 17 tcf of gas. Israel went from a gas famine to feast in a matter of months [21].

Now Israel faces a strategic and very dangerous dilemma. Naturally Israel is none too excited to see al-Assad’s Syria, linked to Israel’s arch foe Iran and Iraq and Lebanon, out-compete an Israeli gas export to the EU markets. This could explain why Israel’s Netanyahu government has been messing inside Syria in the anti-al-Assad forces. However, a Muslim Brotherhood rule in Syria led by the organization around Mohammad Shaqfah would confront Israel with far more hostile neighbors now that the Muslim Brotherhood coup by Egypt’s President Mohamed Morsi has put a hostile regime on Israel’s southern border.

It is no secret that there is enmity bordering on hate between Netanyahu and the Obama Administration. The Obama White House and US State Department openly back the Muslim Brotherhood regime changes in the Middle East. Hillary Clinton’s meeting with Turkey’s Davutoglu in August this year was reportedly aimed at pushing Turkey to escalate its military intervention into Syria, but without direct US support owing to US election politics of wanting to avoid involvement in a new Middle East debacle [22].

State Department Deputy Chief of Staff Huma Abedin has been accused by several Republican Congress Representatives of ties to organizations controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood. Dalia Mogahed, Obama’s appointee to the Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships, also a member of the US advisory council of the Department of Homeland Security, is openly linked to the Muslim Brotherhood and an open foe of Israel as well as calling for the toppling of Syria’s al-Assad [23]. Obama’s Washington definitely seems to be backing the Muslim Brotherhood horse in the race for control of the gas flows of the Middle East.

And the Russian role

Washington is walking a temporary tightrope hoping to weaken al-Assad fatally while not appearing directly involved. Russia for its part is playing a life and death game for the future of its most effective geopolitical lever—its role as the leading natural gas supplier to the EU. This year Russia’s state-owned Gazprom began delivery of Russian gas to northern Germany via Nord Stream gas pipeline under the Baltic Sea from a port near St. Petersburg. Strategically vital now for the future role of Russia as an EU gas supplier, is its ability to play a strategic role in exploiting the new-found gas reserves of its former Cold war client state, Syria. Moscow has long been engaged in promoting its South Stream gas pipeline into Europe as an alternative to the Washington Nabucco pipeline which was designed to leave Moscow out in the cold [24].

Already Gazprom is the largest natural gas supplier to the EU. Gazprom with Nord Stream and other lines plans to increase its gas supply to Europe this year by 12% to 155 billion cubic meters. It now controls 25% of the total European gas market and aims to reach 30% with completion of South Stream and other projects.

Rainer Seele, chairman of Germany’s Wintershall, the Gazprom partner in Nord Stream, suggested the geopolitical thinking behind the decision to join South Stream: "In the global race against Asian countries for raw materials, South Stream, like Nord Stream, will ensure access to energy resources which are vital to our economy." But rather than Asia, the real focus of South Stream lies to the West. The ongoing battle between Russia’s South Stream and the Washington-backed Nabucco is intensely geopolitical. The winner will hold a major advantage in the future political terrain of Europe [25].

Now a major new option of Syria as a major source for Russian-managed gas flows to the EU has emerged. If al-Assad survives, Russia will be in the position as savior to play a decisive role in developing and exploiting the Syrian gas. Israel, where Russia also has major cards to play, could theoretically shift to back a Russian-Syrian-Iraqi-Iran gas consortium were Israel and Iran to reach some modus vivendi on the nuclear and other issues, not impossible were the political constellation in Israel to change after the coming elections. Turkey, which is presently in a deep internal battle between Davutoglu and President Gül on the one side and Erdogan on the other, is dependent on Russia’s Gazprom for some 40% of gas to its industry. Were Davutoglu and his faction to lose, Turkey could play a far more constructive role in the region as transit country for Syrian and Iranian gas.

The battle for the future control of Syria is at the heart of this enormous geopolitical war and tug of war. Its resolution will have enormous consequences for either world peace or endless war and conflict and slaughter. NATO member Turkey is playing with fire as is Qatar’s Emir, along with Israel’s Netanyahu and NATO members France and USA. Natural gas is the flammable ingredient that is fueling this insane scramble for energy in the region.

F. William Engdahl

http://www.voltairenet.org/article176200.html

[japin_mutapi]

Naravno da nisu izgubili 100 aviona, jer nikad nisu ni našli sebi dostojnog protivnika. To ti je kao da Kličko uleti u punu učionicu osnovaca. Baš bih volio vidjeti Amere protiv Kineza.

ja bih volio vidjeti kineze protiv japanaca ... i opet bi ih japanci nakaratali ko malu djecu

[TRENT]

A isti ti koji ce kme kme napadaju muslimane,su citav rat kod nas cekali da cEmerika napadne "anamo vlahe"i da ce nas osloboditi.I da se opet zarat kod nas,isti bi prizeljkivali udare ne od Turske i Sirije vec od Amerike.Licemjerstvo u Bosnjaka po ko zna koji put.

pa ovi rusofili bi u bosni valjda navijali za onog za koga navija Putin?

protiv bradonja, zna se

Brane bracu Ruse a nisu svjesni da nas isti taj Putin analno jebava preko Dodika.

[nOrMaLaC]

Ukoliko dođe do napada na Siriju situacija bi se mogla odvijati ovako:

Nazovimo operaciju na Siriju "Black". Vremensko trajanje bi trajalo najduže nekih 15-20 sati. Ukoliko se pokrene avijacija, to bi bilo učinjeno ranom zorom oko 4 sata. Do navečer 20:00 bi bilo okončano ako sve "prođe" kako treba.

Operacija bi bila vođena iz stožera Američkih trupa u Saudiji i sa teritorije Jordana, ali glavne komande bi bile upučene sa Ratnih brodova u Mediteranu, koji bi se tada nalazili. Operacija je avno isplanirana, prije nekih mjesec dana, tako da ove informacije o tome da se "dvoume" ko bi učestvovao i prebacivanje lopte Obama-Hauge-Hollande-Netanyahu su igre.

Projektilima bi bili prvo napadnuti Sirijski radari i aerodrom u Damasku, gdje bi bila bombardovana pista, jer bi oporavak bio dugotrajan. Poslije ovoga bi bili napadnuti stožer Sirijske vojske i vlade u Damasku.
Teritorij Sirijske vojske u blizini Latakije Damaska i Homsa bi bila napadnuta specijalnim raketama gdje bi bio izbačen iz funkcije logistički sistem SAA.

Po nekim procjenama moglo bi biti nekih 300-700 poginulih ukupno civila, a vojnika možda oko oko 2000 do 3000.

[Alfons Kauders]

sada pitanje ovima sto vole ove bradonje,. ako maerika napadne siriju, ratovace protiv vojske sirije,., i onako laicki gledano,. ameri ce ispalit stotine raketa prvi sat, mozda ce privuc i brodove i opalit salvu granatla reda radi,. ta vojska ce pasti za sedmicu, kada udje pjsesadija ove bradonje ce preuzet vlast i pocet ubijat ove druge vjere, sto drugacije klanjaju,ko sto sada rade. pocece samoubilacki napadi nesto kao sto se desava po iraku, progon normalnog siriskog stanovnistva,.slicno se desava u libiji,. ti pobunjenici nesto slicno ko vrs,. ce cinit masakre zlodjela,. ameri ce za to vrijeme spojit arapski cjevovod na tursku, sto je i cilj jer arapi su naredili da je jeftinije cijevkom dovest gorivo do evrope nego brodom,,. arapski plin je jeftiniji od ruskog,., od sirije mirne zemlje ce nastat nova libija glad bjeda,. od ono malo turisticke zajednice sto je dolazilo nece se niko vratit,. i sta su dobili bradonje serijetsku zemlju drzavu,. nove regrute za neku novi siriju,. negdje u blizini,.,,

i to ce da bude jos jedna odskocna daska za iran(onu zemlju koji arapi mrze) a hocel to rusi dopustit jer ako međeda probudis budi spreman da se sucis sa njim,., mozda ce sirija napokon ujedinit ruske generale,. pa mozda ovi ponabijaju bradonje na kolce i obaspu ih dolarima jer ovaj rat je za dolar bradonje i ameri na jednoj strani legitimna drzava na drugoj jbga uvjek je dolar jaci

Kada padne prva raketa na tlo Sirije, od strane zapadnih snaga, znacit ce da je agresija zapocela. Tek tada vidjet ce se stvarna snaga Assadove vojske i moguci odgovori.

Jednu raketu da ispali na Tel Aviv zadobit ce "simpatije" onih koji danas jedva cekaju njegov kraj. Odnosno, moze zapaliti cijeli Bliski istok.

Zbog toga, nemoj se puno obazirati na pisanja raznih forumasa o blic akciji, jer da je tako stvar bi davno bila zavrsena. U pitanju je puno slozeniji kolac od dosadasnjih meta Amerike.

stvarno... pravo originalna strategija... koju je sadam koristio 1991... njemu je pravo valjala, samo ga nesto boli vrat

btw... "jednu raketu da ispali na tel aviv"... izraelci ce je oboriti... i drugu, i trecu, i narednih deset... onda moooozda prodje jedna... statisticki gledano...

[sandokann]

stvarno... pravo originalna strategija... koju je sadam koristio 1991... njemu je pravo valjala, samo ga nesto boli vrat

btw... "jednu raketu da ispali na tel aviv"... izraelci ce je oboriti... i drugu, i trecu, i narednih deset... onda moooozda prodje jedna... statisticki gledano...

Sadam je bio americki igrac, naoruzan od iste Amerike... Oruzije koje je upotrijebio je bilo cak i proizvedeno u Americi. Razlika izmedju njih dvojice je ogromna, a Bliski istok teritorija u kojoj se heroji i gubitnici smjenjuju brznom vjetra.

[tesanj]

Okreni obrni, kako god bude, jedini pobjednik svega je Izrael, a Amerikanci trasiraju put za napad na Iran.

Ovdjej je Izrael zabranjeno spominjati pitaj ove "pobunjenike" oni (Izrael) nemaju nista sa ovim desavanjima

[udrch]

и опет победили цели нато пакт
шта че тек асад да им уради са тим ес тристо и разним другим есовима кукала им мајка

прво че да их бије а онда че да их кара

Zlocinacki nato pakt, ne zaboravljaj.


Stvarno, ljudi dajte malo ozbiljno.
Ko iskreno veruje da ce se Sirija odbraniti od Amera ako ovi rese da je oslobode?

ima ih puno, ali su zaginuli neki dan..neki na 15 dana, neki na čitav mjesec..neki su se preselili na myc i advance iz odmazde..