Savanti i Genijalci

[Nosferatu]

Vjerovatno ste svi vidjeli Rain Man film, ili citali o osobama poput momka iz Tuzle koji je poliglota, i koji moze nauciti jezik, za mjesec dana. Odakle, i po cemu su takvi ljudi posebni. Otvaram ovdje temu za sve "specijalne" slucajeve, genijalce, koji najcesce - nalaze se na tankoj liniji koja razvdaja razum od ludila, i sposobnost od handikepa. Na toj tankoj liniji koja spaja i razvaja - njihov um egzistira, sa svojim nesvakidasnjim sposobnostima, koje nas zapravo stvarno tjeranu da ramizslimo - do kojih limita se mi svakodnevno mentalno naprezemo, il' odbijamo da to ucinimo.

Najcesci opis Savanta, imaju ljudi sa Autizmom. Takva dijeca imaju cudne obsesije koje zavrsavaju sa sposobnostima, poput stvarno Rain Man-a (na 27 minuti video clipa kojeg cu ostaviti) - da procitaju stranicu knjige za 8 sekundi, i to paralelno citajuci ljevo stranicu s ljevim okom, desnu s desnim. 98% sto procita - zapamti. DOZIVOTNO! Pored toga, nevjerovatan kapaciteta - za dvije sposobnosti. Memorizacija, puka, potreban za savladavanje nekog jezika, i matematicke sposbnosti kalkulacija (na clipu - Pi - tj. obim kruznice podjeljenju s dijamterom - proracunao je momak do preko 22.000 decimalnih mjesta, u roku od par sati). datumi, vozni redovi. Istorija. Rastojanje u km, od jednog do drugog mjesta. Statistike sportske, u nazad 100 godina.

Svaka prica je pomalo, drukcija od druge, i ono sto je bitno je da - ne postoji nista fizicki, drukcije, neuroloski kod ovih osoba, tako da su sve razlike, nastale po principu - funcionalnosti nervnog sistema. Klip je dug oko 50 minuta, i zove se The boy with incredible brain, na Engleskom je jeziku.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ion%3Along

Da li ste ikad upoznali nekog s nenadmasivim sposobnostima, koje prevazilaze "obicnog smrtnika"? Evo jedne teme, da nam takve opisete ili ako ste o njima citali, da ih postavite, valjda kao podstrek svima nama, da ukljucimo mozdane vijuge - sto vise. Ako ni zbog cega drugog, a ono zbog toga sto intelektualni napor sprijecava ili odlaze razvoj Alzheimerove bolesti i razno-raznim problema s memorijom, pamecenjem, i sjecanjem koje starost sa sobom neminovno nosi.

[senada]

Jesi li ovim topikom genijalano odgovorio na posljednje pitanje moga topika?

[Eshek]

Ale, Banja Luka. Telefonski brojevi, tablice auta, adrese, JMBG, matematički genij zbog kojeg se pokoji profesor matematike postidio...

Mislim da je još živ, četnici ga nisu ubilli u ratu

[Simply_Red]

Ne postujem ljude koji rodjenjem dobiju nesto sto ostali nemaju, kao sto ne omalovazam ljude koji nesto ne dobiju. Za sve bi se trebalo truditi

[senada]

Koliko mogu iscupati iz memorije autizam je prije nekih oko 20ak god. bio novo otkriveni oblik i u to vrijeme jedan od skoro pa najtezih oblika mentalnih oboljenja. Tadasnja klinicka slika je odavala dijete/odraslu osobu sa potpunim odsustvom sposobnosti svijesti svijeta oko sebe, bez bilo kakvih impulsnih reakcija i sa odsustvom bilo kakvih refleksnih pokazatelja svijesti, i bez mogucnosti pozitivnih odgovora/refleksa na bilo koje spoljnje podrazaje/akcije, i bez minimuma sposobnosti sticanja bilo kakvih mentalnih aktivnosti, sa posebno izrazenom nemogucnoscu memorisanja - ukljucujuci i neprepoznavanje majke. "Autisti tog vremena" jedino su reagirali na intenzivnu svjetlost, na temelju cega je tadasnja neuropsihijatrija i dijagnosticirala bolest. Autizam, (radije bih rekla autizmi) kao i mnoga druga patopsiholoska stanja, ili oboljenja, jos uvijek su predmet-i naucnih istrazivanja i bit ce sve do momenta dok sam mozak bude misterija.

[Nosferatu]

Jesi li ovim topikom genijalano odgovorio na posljednje pitanje moga topika?

Ma jok.

Nego slucajno sam naisao na ovaj clip, koji sam postavio. Pa reko da stavim ovdje. Nekako, nevjerovatne su granice, do kojih um moze da dosegne. Udaljicu se sad malo, od teme, ali ne i pretjerano, spomenucu ovdje par ljudi koji su uprkos svojim hendikepima, postali - giganti.


Npr. kad pomislim o Steven Hawkin-u, koji ima ALS (amyotropic lateral sclerosis), bolest u kojoj motorni neuroni odumiru, tako da na kraju ostanes ne samo paraliziovan vec i bez glasa, a umres tako sto jednostavno misici za disanje - prestanu funkcionirati, ukoliko te ne prebace na ventilator. Najcudnije je da npr. ovi ljudi nikad ne izgube kontrolu mjehura i debelog crijeva. Iako dakle su paralizirani - intelekt je tuto-kompleto - preserviran, tako da je u slucaju Stevena, uspjeo nadmasiti i obicne smrtnike, po kapacitetu. Ko ne vjeruje, knjigu u ruke, Universe in the Nutshell. - Steven Hawking.

I am quite often asked: How do you feel about having ALS? The answer is, not a lot. I try to lead as normal a life as possible, and not think about my condition, or regret the things it prevents me from doing, which are not that many.

It was a great shock to me to discover that I had motor neurone disease. I had never been very well co-ordinated physically as a child. I was not good at ball games, and my handwriting was the despair of my teachers. Maybe for this reason, I didn't care much for sport or physical activities. But things seemed to change when I went to Oxford, at the age of 17. I took up coxing and rowing. I was not Boat Race standard, but I got by at the level of inter-College competition.

In my third year at Oxford, however, I noticed that I seemed to be getting more clumsy, and I fell over once or twice for no apparent reason. But it was not until I was at Cambridge, in the following year, that my father noticed, and took me to the family doctor. He referred me to a specialist, and shortly after my 21st birthday, I went into hospital for tests. I was in for two weeks, during which I had a wide variety of tests. They took a muscle sample from my arm, stuck electrodes into me, and injected some radio opaque fluid into my spine, and watched it going up and down with x-rays, as they tilted the bed. After all that, they didn't tell me what I had, except that it was not multiple sclerosis, and that I was an a-typical case. I gathered, however, that they expected it to continue to get worse, and that there was nothing they could do, except give me vitamins. I could see that they didn't expect them to have much effect. I didn't feel like asking for more details, because they were obviously bad.

The realisation that I had an incurable disease, that was likely to kill me in a few years, was a bit of a shock. How could something like that happen to me? Why should I be cut off like this? However, while I had been in hospital, I had seen a boy I vaguely knew die of leukaemia, in the bed opposite me. It had not been a pretty sight. Clearly there were people who were worse off than me. At least my condition didn't make me feel sick. Whenever I feel inclined to be sorry for myself I remember that boy.

Not knowing what was going to happen to me, or how rapidly the disease would progress, I was at a loose end. The doctors told me to go back to Cambridge and carry on with the research I had just started in general relativity and cosmology. But I was not making much progress, because I didn't have much mathematical background. And, anyway, I might not live long enough to finish my PhD. I felt somewhat of a tragic character. I took to listening to Wagner, but reports in magazine articles that I drank heavily are an exaggeration. The trouble is once one article said it, other articles copied it, because it made a good story. People believe that anything that has appeared in print so many times must be true.

My dreams at that time were rather disturbed. Before my condition had been diagnosed, I had been very bored with life. There had not seemed to be anything worth doing. But shortly after I came out of hospital, I dreamt that I was going to be executed. I suddenly realised that there were a lot of worthwhile things I could do if I were reprieved. Another dream, that I had several times, was that I would sacrifice my life to save others. After all, if I were going to die anyway, it might as well do some good. But I didn't die. In fact, although there was a cloud hanging over my future, I found, to my surprise, that I was enjoying life in the present more than before. I began to make progress with my research, and I got engaged to a girl called Jane Wilde, whom I had met just about the time my condition was diagnosed. That engagement changed my life. It gave me something to live for. But it also meant that I had to get a job if we were to get married. I therefore applied for a research fellowship at Gonville and Caius (pronounced Keys) college, Cambridge. To my great surprise, I got a fellowship, and we got married a few months later.

The fellowship at Caius took care of my immediate employment problem. I was lucky to have chosen to work in theoretical physics, because that was one of the few areas in which my condition would not be a serious handicap. And I was fortunate that my scientific reputation increased, at the same time that my disability got worse. This meant that people were prepared to offer me a sequence of positions in which I only had to do research, without having to lecture.

We were also fortunate in housing. When we were married, Jane was still an undergraduate at Westfield College in London, so she had to go up to London during the week. This meant that we had to find somewhere I could manage on my own, and which was central, because I could not walk far. I asked the College if they could help, but was told by the then Bursar: it is College policy not to help Fellows with housing. We therefore put our name down to rent one of a group of new flats that were being built in the market place. (Years later, I discovered that those flats were actually owned by the College, but they didn't tell me that.) However, when we returned to Cambridge from a visit to America after the marriage, we found that the flats were not ready. As a great concession, the Bursar said we could have a room in a hostel for graduate students. He said, "We normally charge 12 shillings and 6 pence a night for this room. However, as there will be two of you in the room, we will charge 25 shillings." We stayed there only three nights. Then we found a small house about 100 yards from my university department. It belonged to another College, who had let it to one of its fellows. However he had moved out to a house he had bought in the suburbs. He sub-let the house to us for the remaining three months of his lease. During those three months, we found that another house in the same road was standing empty. A neighbour summoned the owner from Dorset, and told her that it was a scandal that her house should be empty, when young people were looking for accommodation. So she let the house to us. After we had lived there for a few years, we wanted to buy the house, and do it up. So we asked my College for a mortgage. However, the College did a survey, and decided it was not a good risk. In the end we got a mortgage from a building society, and my parents gave us the money to do it up. We lived there for another four years, but it became too difficult for me to manage the stairs. By this time, the College appreciated me rather more, and there was a different Bursar. They therefore offered us a ground floor flat in a house that they owned. This suited me very well, because it had large rooms and wide doors. It was sufficiently central that I could get to my University department, or the College, in my electric wheel chair. It was also nice for our three children, because it was surrounded by garden, which was looked after by the College gardeners.

Up to 1974, I was able to feed myself, and get in and out of bed. Jane managed to help me, and bring up the children, without outside help. However, things were getting more difficult, so we took to having one of my research students living with us. In return for free accommodation, and a lot of my attention, they helped me get up and go to bed. In 1980, we changed to a system of community and private nurses, who came in for an hour or two in the morning and evening. This lasted until I caught pneumonia in 1985. I had to have a tracheotomy operation. After this, I had to have 24 hour nursing care. This was made possible by grants from several foundations.

Before the operation, my speech had been getting more slurred, so that only a few people who knew me well, could understand me. But at least I could communicate. I wrote scientific papers by dictating to a secretary, and I gave seminars through an interpreter, who repeated my words more clearly. However, the tracheotomy operation removed my ability to speak altogether. For a time, the only way I could communicate was to spell out words letter by letter, by raising my eyebrows when someone pointed to the right letter on a spelling card. It is pretty difficult to carry on a conversation like that, let alone write a scientific paper. However, a computer expert in California, called Walt Woltosz, heard of my plight. He sent me a computer program he had written, called Equalizer. This allowed me to select words from a series of menus on the screen, by pressing a switch in my hand. The program could also be controlled by a switch, operated by head or eye movement. When I have built up what I want to say, I can send it to a speech synthesizer. At first, I just ran the Equalizer program on a desk top computer.
However David Mason, of Cambridge Adaptive Communication, fitted a small portable computer and a speech synthesizer to my wheel chair. This system allowed me to communicate much better than I could before. I can manage up to 15 words a minute. I can either speak what I have written, or save it to disk. I can then print it out, or call it back and speak it sentence by sentence. Using this system, I have written a book, and dozens of scientific papers. I have also given many scientific and popular talks. They have all been well received. I think that is in a large part due to the quality of the speech synthesiser, which is made by Speech Plus. One's voice is very important. If you have a slurred voice, people are likely to treat you as mentally deficient: Does he take sugar? This synthesiser is by far the best I have heard, because it varies the intonation, and doesn't speak like a Dalek. The only trouble is that it gives me an American accent.

I have had motor neurone disease for practically all my adult life. Yet it has not prevented me from having a very attractive family, and being successful in my work. This is thanks to the help I have received from Jane, my children, and a large number of other people and organisations. I have been lucky, that my condition has progressed more slowly than is often the case. But it shows that one need not lose hope.

Stephen Hawking

[Nosferatu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_GUPcg25QI

Dva autisticna momka, geniji na klavijaturama.

I jos prica s CNN-a.

FOND DU LAC, Wisconsin (CNN) -- Forty-four years after starting work at a children's psychiatric ward in Wisconsin, Dr. Darold Treffert still struggles to explain how the human brain is capable of producing the remarkable feats he witnessed there.

One boy had memorized Milwaukee's bus schedule and could say where all the buses were at any moment in the day. Another could put together complicated puzzles without hesitation -- even if the pieces were upside down. A third boy could list world events that happened on any given day.

Treffert came to realize these boys have savant syndrome, and thus began a lifelong quest to understand how people with sometimes severe mental disabilities could exhibit what he calls "islands of genius."

Treffert says a savant's brilliance generally falls into a single category: lightning-fast math skills or calendar calculating or spatial skills or near picture-perfect memory or musical ability.

Such dazzling mental skills defy easy explanation. (Watch the mystery of savants -- 3:38)

"I have come to the conclusion that until we can explain the savant we can't explain ourselves," said Treffert, often considered the world's leading expert on savants.

Treffert, an adviser on the movie "Rain Man," serves as the unofficial arbiter of who qualifies as a "prodigious savant" -- possessing skills that would dazzle even without a disability. There are only about 100 recognized prodigious savants in the world.

Jazz pianist Matt Savage is one of them. The home-schooled New Hampshire teenager was diagnosed with autism as a child and did not like to be exposed to any noise until he was 6. Audio therapy and a toy piano unlocked his gifts.

"Our house had been completely quiet," Matt's mother, Diane, said. "No music. No sound. And then my husband and I heard 'London Bridge' being played perfectly down in the playroom. We looked at each other. Matt had just started playing: from nothing to playing perfectly."

Matt, now 14, releases his seventh album on his parents' record label this month. Even he does not understand how he is able to play as well as does, improvising effortlessly on the piano.

"It kind of transfers from the brain to the fingers. It goes through your body. That's how it feels," Matt said.

Stephen Wiltshire is another prodigious savant. His genius is the ability to see something once and draw it in exquisite detail -- even something as complicated as a city skyline. (Watch brain scans look for the secrets of genius -- 2:05)

George Widener, too, is a prodigious savant. Widener says he has been diagnosed with a mild form of autism called Asperger's Syndrome. He knows without thinking the day of the week for any year in the past or future. He now uses these calendar skills to produce critically acclaimed artwork, combining his love of numbers and calendars with an astonishing memory of days and dates in history.

Listening to Widener is like flipping through a stream-of-consciousness almanac:

"June 7th, that was the date Robert the Bruce died in 1329. He was the first king of Scotland. That was a Wednesday. I remember reading Daniel Boone, 1769, started a survey on June 7th in Kentucky ... King Louis the 14th became king, 1654. That was a Wednesday."

Orlando Serrell did not possess any special skills until he was struck in the head by a baseball when he was 10. He has remembered where he was and what he was doing almost every day since.

Serrell is what Treffert calls an "acquired savant," someone who exhibits savant skills after suffering a head injury or a stroke to the left hemisphere of the brain. Treffert believes the brain injury somehow frees acquired savants from the language and logic that rules our everyday lives. (Listen to a savant's extraordinary musical gift)

"We tend to think of ourselves as having this blank disc in the marvelous piece of equipment called the brain, and what we become is everything we put on this disc. And I'm saying there is much more to us. That we come with software," Treffert says.

In short, Treffert says, there is genius in all of us. How to unlock that genius remains a mystery.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/09/06/sa ... index.html

[Nosferatu]

Jako dobar klip, Kanadske televizije, o Savant sindromu.

http://www.exn.ca/news/video/exn2004/10 ... savant.asx

[Nosferatu]

Voyage into the Brain

http://www.colourfield.de/expedition/-dsl.html

Einstein - nije progovorio, do 3 godine zivota, igrao se je - sam (Autisticna dijeca obicno - su vrlo anti-socijalna, i po nekim definicijama, "grade svijet iznutra" - umjesto da se osposobe za komunikaciju sa svijetom izvana), te nemaju sposobnost - interpretacije emocija, niti sposobnost generiranja sopstvenih emocija. Za Einsteina se takodje zna, da nije nikada - u svom zivotu naucio da vozi automobil.

Orlando Serrel, je kao dijete - udaren baseball loptom, u glavu. Od tog dana - zna tacno gdje je bio, i sta je radio, kao i koji je dan u sedmici npr bio 5 Maja 1989 i tako za sve i jedan dan svog zivota.

Ostatak - Savanta, i klipovi kao i price o svakom od njih, se mogu naci na ovoj stranici.

http://www.wisconsinmedicalsociety.org/ ... impeek.cfm

[senada]

...znamo za genijalce koji si ne znaju obrisat nos i guzicu, svezati pertle, umisljanja da su zapravo puzevi u ljudskom obliku ...i u pravilu imaju "svoje poslovne, privatne, javne, tajne....itd" komunikacije, veze i obveze.......no njhov doprinos covjecanstvu je ogroman....

svaka kreativna makar to bila i genijalnost za mene je daleko prihvatljiviji drustveni psihosocio ("patski") tip osobe od obicnih, osrednjie inteligentnih, a najteze ili nikad prihvatljivi su mi daleko najopasniji pojedinci, grupe i mase stupidnih individua...
.....svi mentalni potencijali genijalca do ispada sa paranoidno shizofrenicnim epizodama benignih za spoljnji svijet, fokusirani su ka savrsenstvu jednoga ili vise slicnih djela - u slkarstvu, vajarstvu, arhitekturi, matematici... i svim drugim genijalnim 'formulama', definicijama, demistificiranjima prirodnih pojava radi cega su bili i spaljivani od "pametnih" autoriteta......

svaki autizam i ine shizofrenije karakretno su nevjerovatno mnogo razlicite....od onih autisticno pasivnih oblika do fantasticno genijalnih 'opsceno' kreativnih stvaralaca...... razlike su ogromne....i u ovisnosti su interesa u kom pravcu je usmjeren interes genijalca....

jaoj kako volim da psujem......

[amrino]

Znam lika koji saha igra napamet...jezivo za gledat
U srednjoj- nikad nije imao svesku iz matematike- samo digitron- i prije nego sto bi profesor dovrsio diktiranje zadatka- on bi samo lupio rezultat.

[senada]

Znam lika koji saha igra napamet...jezivo za gledat
U srednjoj- nikad nije imao svesku iz matematike- samo digitron- i prije nego sto bi profesor dovrsio diktiranje zadatka- on bi samo lupio rezultat.

......meni se desavalo da mi nikako nije bilo jasno kako neko razmislja o necemu sto se logicki podrazumijeva... upravo ti matematicki zadaci.... prof. postavi, ja uradim i po pola sata-sat cekam da drugi cio cas osmisljavaju kako bi na kraju pogrijesili u decidno opisanoj definiciji sa navedena najmanje 2 primjera od postavke preko postupka do rezultata + prof. sve lijepo opise i crta na tabli...... nisam genijalac ali mi nikada nece biti jasno kako nekome nesto sto se podrazumijeva ne moze biti jasno...
..... dobivala sam jedinice umjesto petica iz stranog jezika jer me profesorica optuzivala da sam prepisivala textove koje i danas pamtim....

[senada]

Jesi li ovim topikom genijalano odgovorio na posljednje pitanje moga topika?

Ma jok.

Nego slucajno sam naisao na ovaj clip, koji sam postavio. Pa reko da stavim ovdje. Nekako, nevjerovatne su granice, do kojih um moze da dosegne. Udaljicu se sad malo, od teme, ali ne i pretjerano, spomenucu ovdje par ljudi koji su uprkos svojim hendikepima, postali - giganti.


Npr. kad pomislim o Steven Hawkin-u, koji ima ALS (amyotropic lateral sclerosis), bolest u kojoj motorni neuroni odumiru, tako da na kraju ostanes ne samo paraliziovan vec i bez glasa, a umres tako sto jednostavno misici za disanje - prestanu funkcionirati, ukoliko te ne prebace na ventilator. Najcudnije je da npr. ovi ljudi nikad ne izgube kontrolu mjehura i debelog crijeva. Iako dakle su paralizirani - intelekt je tuto-kompleto - preserviran, tako da je u slucaju Stevena, uspjeo nadmasiti i obicne smrtnike, po kapacitetu. Ko ne vjeruje, knjigu u ruke, Universe in the Nutshell. - Steven Hawking.

Oh, obzirom da nisam genijalac, uvijek sam se pitala sa kog genijalng izvorista je napojio svoje mozdane hemisfere pa osmislio text "pjesme" tj. refrena - ti si se upiskila....

[ztluhcs]

Znam lika koji saha igra napamet...jezivo za gledat
U srednjoj- nikad nije imao svesku iz matematike- samo digitron- i prije nego sto bi profesor dovrsio diktiranje zadatka- on bi samo lupio rezultat.

Misli¹ prije nego ¹to ka¾e ¹ta se (uop¹te) tra¾i u zadatku on izraèuna? Cool mindreading

[ztluhcs]

Znam lika koji saha igra napamet...jezivo za gledat
U srednjoj- nikad nije imao svesku iz matematike- samo digitron- i prije nego sto bi profesor dovrsio diktiranje zadatka- on bi samo lupio rezultat.

......meni se desavalo da mi nikako nije bilo jasno kako neko razmislja o necemu sto se logicki podrazumijeva... upravo ti matematicki zadaci.... prof. postavi, ja uradim i po pola sata-sat cekam da drugi cio cas osmisljavaju kako bi na kraju pogrijesili u decidno opisanoj definiciji sa navedena najmanje 2 primjera od postavke preko postupka do rezultata + prof. sve lijepo opise i crta na tabli...... nisam genijalac ali mi nikada nece biti jasno kako nekome nesto sto se podrazumijeva ne moze biti jasno...
..... dobivala sam jedinice umjesto petica iz stranog jezika jer me profesorica optuzivala da sam prepisivala textove koje i danas pamtim....

Meni nije jasno kako tebi nije jasno, da se ne podrazumijeva da se svima sve podrazumijeva... C c c

Podrazumijevanje je posljedica znanja, a znanje nemaju svi, ili nemaju svi jednako...

[senada]

Znam lika koji saha igra napamet...jezivo za gledat
U srednjoj- nikad nije imao svesku iz matematike- samo digitron- i prije nego sto bi profesor dovrsio diktiranje zadatka- on bi samo lupio rezultat.

......meni se desavalo da mi nikako nije bilo jasno kako neko razmislja o necemu sto se logicki podrazumijeva... upravo ti matematicki zadaci.... prof. postavi, ja uradim i po pola sata-sat cekam da drugi cio cas osmisljavaju kako bi na kraju pogrijesili u decidno opisanoj definiciji sa navedena najmanje 2 primjera od postavke preko postupka do rezultata + prof. sve lijepo opise i crta na tabli...... nisam genijalac ali mi nikada nece biti jasno kako nekome nesto sto se podrazumijeva ne moze biti jasno...
..... dobivala sam jedinice umjesto petica iz stranog jezika jer me profesorica optuzivala da sam prepisivala textove koje i danas pamtim....

Meni nije jasno kako tebi nije jasno, da se ne podrazumijeva da se svima sve podrazumijeva... C c c

Podrazumijevanje je posljedica znanja, a znanje nemaju svi, ili nemaju svi jednako...

Jasno je meni da ne moze svima sve biti uvijek na isti nacin i u isto vrijeme jasno ili nejasno ali mi nije jasno koliko se neko mora upinjati , truditi, muciti, boriti itd. kako bi mu/joj bilo sve nejasno..... pa valjda je za te stvari tacno definisano jedno ili visecasovno vrijeme uz sve moguce teoretske, prakticne i ine metode i puteve do shvatanja....
jasno je meni da na zalost malo morgen nismo svi mi manje/vise isto sami sebi nejasni...
.....zato kolektivno imamo nadnaravnu moc shvatanja i znanja svega sto se tice svih onih drugih i drugacijih... a sebe smo prepustili prvima.

[Eshek]

Znam lika koji saha igra napamet...jezivo za gledat
U srednjoj- nikad nije imao svesku iz matematike- samo digitron- i prije nego sto bi profesor dovrsio diktiranje zadatka- on bi samo lupio rezultat.

Mani je u srednjoj školi, a kasnije na faksu na vježbama iz fizike i hemije bilo zabranjeno da zucnem, jer sam im redovno sjebavao zadatke

[Svemirski_Jebach]

meni isto nije trebala sveska iz matematike u srednjoj...a ni digitron...doduse, od jarana stara predavala matematiku...pa smo uvijek znali gdje ona cuva zadatke koje pripremi za kontrolni ...i onda kao ja se mucim i razmisljam kako treba...a sve napamet naucio

[Dirty Harry]

Znam lika koji saha igra napamet...jezivo za gledat
U srednjoj- nikad nije imao svesku iz matematike- samo digitron- i prije nego sto bi profesor dovrsio diktiranje zadatka- on bi samo lupio rezultat.

Digitron i matematika Funkcije, integrali, sistemi jednačina ... stvarno ne vidim kako bi tu pomogao digitron.

[DobroJutroKolumbo]

Voyage into the Brain

http://www.colourfield.de/expedition/-dsl.html

Einstein - nije progovorio, do 3 godine zivota, igrao se je - sam (Autisticna dijeca obicno - su vrlo anti-socijalna, i po nekim definicijama, "grade svijet iznutra" - umjesto da se osposobe za komunikaciju sa svijetom izvana), te nemaju sposobnost - interpretacije emocija, niti sposobnost generiranja sopstvenih emocija. Za Einsteina se takodje zna, da nije nikada - u svom zivotu naucio da vozi automobil.

Orlando Serrel, je kao dijete - udaren baseball loptom, u glavu. Od tog dana - zna tacno gdje je bio, i sta je radio, kao i koji je dan u sedmici npr bio 5 Maja 1989 i tako za sve i jedan dan svog zivota.

Ostatak - Savanta, i klipovi kao i price o svakom od njih, se mogu naci na ovoj stranici.

http://www.wisconsinmedicalsociety.org/ ... impeek.cfm

Einstein nije progovorio do 3 godine... Za ruckom je progovorio i rekao "supa je hladna" !!! Roditelji koji su bili zabrinuti za njega i koji su mislili da ce zauvijek ostati takav bili su presretni i kad su ga upitali zasto sve do tad nije pricao "LEGENDA" je rekao "nije bilo potrebe do sad je sve bilo u redu!!!

[ztluhcs]

Znam lika koji saha igra napamet...jezivo za gledat
U srednjoj- nikad nije imao svesku iz matematike- samo digitron- i prije nego sto bi profesor dovrsio diktiranje zadatka- on bi samo lupio rezultat.

Digitron i matematika Funkcije, integrali, sistemi jednaèina ... stvarno ne vidim kako bi tu pomogao digitron.

Nisu ni kalkulatori ono ¹to su nekad bili

Ionako su prièe o osnovno¹kolskim i srednjo¹kolskim genijalcima najèe¹æe hype i urbane legende...

[Vingo]

Vjerovatno ste svi vidjeli Rain Man film, ili citali o osobama poput momka iz Tuzle koji je poliglota, i koji moze nauciti jezik, za mjesec dana. Odakle, i po cemu su takvi ljudi posebni. Otvaram ovdje temu za sve "specijalne" slucajeve, genijalce, koji najcesce - nalaze se na tankoj liniji koja razvdaja razum od ludila, i sposobnost od handikepa. Na toj tankoj liniji koja spaja i razvaja - njihov um egzistira, sa svojim nesvakidasnjim sposobnostima, koje nas zapravo stvarno tjeranu da ramizslimo - do kojih limita se mi svakodnevno mentalno naprezemo, il' odbijamo da to ucinimo.

Najcesci opis Savanta, imaju ljudi sa Autizmom. Takva dijeca imaju cudne obsesije koje zavrsavaju sa sposobnostima, poput stvarno Rain Man-a (na 27 minuti video clipa kojeg cu ostaviti) - da procitaju stranicu knjige za 8 sekundi, i to paralelno citajuci ljevo stranicu s ljevim okom, desnu s desnim. 98% sto procita - zapamti. DOZIVOTNO! Pored toga, nevjerovatan kapaciteta - za dvije sposobnosti. Memorizacija, puka, potreban za savladavanje nekog jezika, i matematicke sposbnosti kalkulacija (na clipu - Pi - tj. obim kruznice podjeljenju s dijamterom - proracunao je momak do preko 22.000 decimalnih mjesta, u roku od par sati). datumi, vozni redovi. Istorija. Rastojanje u km, od jednog do drugog mjesta. Statistike sportske, u nazad 100 godina.
Svaka prica je pomalo, drukcija od druge, i ono sto je bitno je da - ne postoji nista fizicki, drukcije, neuroloski kod ovih osoba, tako da su sve razlike, nastale po principu - funcionalnosti nervnog sistema. Klip je dug oko 50 minuta, i zove se The boy with incredible brain, na Engleskom je jeziku.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ion%3Along

Da li ste ikad upoznali nekog s nenadmasivim sposobnostima, koje prevazilaze "obicnog smrtnika"? Evo jedne teme, da nam takve opisete ili ako ste o njima citali, da ih postavite, valjda kao podstrek svima nama, da ukljucimo mozdane vijuge - sto vise. Ako ni zbog cega drugog, a ono zbog toga sto intelektualni napor sprijecava ili odlaze razvoj Alzheimerove bolesti i razno-raznim problema s memorijom, pamecenjem, i sjecanjem koje starost sa sobom neminovno nosi.

Autizam je strasna bolest. a floskule o tome da su autisticna djeca pritajeni genijalci, ostavimo za Hollywood....I scietologe.
Medju autistima ima taman toliko genijalaca, koliko i medju onima koji nisu autisti.

[amrino]

Eno sad...vjerujem da ima urbanih legendi- ali ovog lika znam vrlo dobro- cijeli svoj zivot...
Ukoliko znate nekoga ko saha igra napamet- znate o cemu pricam.
I upravo tako- prije nego sto profesorica izdiktira zadatak do kraja- on bi vec znao rezultat. Isao je na sva moguca takmicenja- Na ETF- u mu je bilo- dosadno- i bio je jako razocaran jer je ocekivao vise izazova...
Programirao je sa 13- 14 godina...i za razliku od ponekih- nikada za sebe nije rekao da je genijalac- nikada se nije hvalio time- naprotiv- bio je jako skroman. (mislim i jos uvijek jeste)

I da, sta smo skontali?! senadica nam je rain woman

[Dirty Harry]

Eno sad...vjerujem da ima urbanih legendi- ali ovog lika znam vrlo dobro- cijeli svoj zivot...
Ukoliko znate nekoga ko saha igra napamet- znate o cemu pricam.
I upravo tako- prije nego sto profesorica izdiktira zadatak do kraja- on bi vec znao rezultat. Isao je na sva moguca takmicenja- Na ETF- u mu je bilo- dosadno- i bio je jako razocaran jer je ocekivao vise izazova...
Programirao je sa 13- 14 godina...i za razliku od ponekih- nikada za sebe nije rekao da je genijalac- nikada se nije hvalio time- naprotiv- bio je jako skroman. (mislim i jos uvijek jeste)

I da, sta smo skontali?! senadica nam je rain woman

amrino,
ok, možda je lik genije i znao je rezultat, znam i ja dosta genijalaca (i sam sam završio ETF pa čak možda znam i dotičnog lika) ali samo sam htio reći da digitron u matematici nema šta tražiti. Ne znam kakvu ste vi matematiku radili ali a,b,c,x,y,z ... i digtron?

[amrino]

Eno sad...vjerujem da ima urbanih legendi- ali ovog lika znam vrlo dobro- cijeli svoj zivot...
Ukoliko znate nekoga ko saha igra napamet- znate o cemu pricam.
I upravo tako- prije nego sto profesorica izdiktira zadatak do kraja- on bi vec znao rezultat. Isao je na sva moguca takmicenja- Na ETF- u mu je bilo- dosadno- i bio je jako razocaran jer je ocekivao vise izazova...
Programirao je sa 13- 14 godina...i za razliku od ponekih- nikada za sebe nije rekao da je genijalac- nikada se nije hvalio time- naprotiv- bio je jako skroman. (mislim i jos uvijek jeste)

I da, sta smo skontali?! senadica nam je rain woman

amrino,
ok, možda je lik genije i znao je rezultat, znam i ja dosta genijalaca (i sam sam završio ETF pa čak možda znam i dotičnog lika) ali samo sam htio reći da digitron u matematici nema šta tražiti. Ne znam kakvu ste vi matematiku radili ali a,b,c,x,y,z ... i digtron?

joj haj dobro- digitron je nepotreban...