Ruska pobjeda u BiH All About

[hAZNADAR]

Jok, Bogic Bogicevic glasao protiv.
Inace veliki izdajnik u tumacenju jedne raje ovdje. Da pribiljezim i rusofiliju na listu?

Priznavanje BiH u Evropi je bio default tog vremena. A diplomatija na svoj nacin. Miteran i Mayor jesu istina priznali BiH. Ali je cinjenica koje su zemlje pomagale BiH i humanitarno i politicki. A Rusija to nije - iako je bitna razlika izmadju Jeljcinove i Putinove Rusije.

Bogicu svaka cast, ali znas bi se pitao da su Rusi rekli Kadijevicu przi to, cuvamo ti ledja. Koliko i ja i ti.

Rusija je slijedila politiku zapada u UN-u, sto nas dovodi do pitanja o kakvom to kontinuitetu politike ti pricas? Ako je vec "bitna razlika izmedju Jeljcina i Putina".

Snaga, uticaj,... Rusije onda i danas je jedina razlika. Politika, zelje, ... iste.

[_BataZiv_0809]

Snaga, uticaj,... Rusije onda i danas je jedina razlika. Politika, zelje, ... iste.

Znaci kontinuitet politike ne postoji.

[jefferson]

Jok, Bogic Bogicevic glasao protiv.
Inace veliki izdajnik u tumacenju jedne raje ovdje. Da pribiljezim i rusofiliju na listu?

Priznavanje BiH u Evropi je bio default tog vremena. A diplomatija na svoj nacin. Miteran i Mayor jesu istina priznali BiH. Ali je cinjenica koje su zemlje pomagale BiH i humanitarno i politicki. A Rusija to nije - iako je bitna razlika izmadju Jeljcinove i Putinove Rusije.

Bogicu svaka cast, ali znas bi se pitao da su Rusi rekli Kadijevicu przi to, cuvamo ti ledja. Koliko i ja i ti.

Rusija je slijedila politiku zapada u UN-u, sto nas dovodi do pitanja o kakvom to kontinuitetu politike ti pricas? Ako je vec "bitna razlika izmedju Jeljcina i Putina".

Kome ce Rusi cuvati ledja 1990/91 i 92? Nisu sami sebi ledja mogli cuvati, drzava im se raspada, 27,000 nuklearnih bojevih glava koje kontrolisu generali i ostali oficiri koji plate nisu dobili 6-8 mjeseci? Jos im dosao Veljko, iz drzave kojoj Rusi nikad nisu oprostili sto je nacela komunizam 1948.

[_BataZiv_0809]

Kome ce Rusi cuvati ledja 1990/91 i 92? Nisu sami sebi ledja mogli cuvati, drzava im se raspada, 27,000 nuklearnih bojevih glava koje kontrolisu generali i ostali oficiri koji plate nisu dobili 6-8 mjeseci? Jos im dosao Veljko, iz drzave kojoj Rusi nikad nisu oprostili sto je nacela komunizam 1948.

To sve stoji, ali se provlaci teza da bi oni to uradili samo da su tad bili u stanju. Sto je cisto nagadjanje.

[kiligonzales]

Foreign Affairs je lobistički-advocacy magazin - uz pravu konekciju i dovoljnu količinu $$$$, svaka vrsta teksta se može progurati unutra. Evo u tekstu u crvenom oznaka pogrešne ili tačne postavke, nebitno jesu li namjerno ili nenamjerno pogrešne ili tačne.

Foreign Affairs - 9/7/2017

Russia's Bosnia Gambit - Intrigue in the Balkans

By Jasmin Mujanovic

After two years of crisis, Macedonia finally formed a new government in June, installing a reformist, center-left coalition committed to rebooting the country’s stalled integration into the EU and NATO. That same month, Montenegro became NATO’s newest member state, after a tumultuous accession process that lasted nearly a decade. These developments are good news for the overall stability of the western Balkans, a region still mired in sectarianism and provincialism. But they are also major blows to the regional aspirations of Russia, which hopes to keep the still unincorporated segments of the former Yugoslavia “neutral”—that is, outside the EU possibly the most forceful one yet—is in the region’s strategic center: Bosnia and Herzegovina.

MOSCOW’S BOSNIAN PROXIES

Russia’s plan for Bosnia will be shaped by two major factors. The first is the Kremlin’s longstanding relationship with Milorad Dodik, the secessionist president of Republika Srpska, Bosnia’s Serb-dominated autonomous region. The second, more alarming factor is the emerging link between Moscow and Dragan Covic, the Croat member of the country’s three-person presidency and head of the Croatian Democratic Union of Bosnia and Herzegovina (HDZ BiH), an offshoot of the Croatian Democratic Union (HDZ), the current governing party in Zagreb. Russia’s objective is simple: keep Bosnia out of NATO and the EU. Moscow wants to ensure that the country remains an ethnically fragmented basket case in the heart of the Balkans. Accordingly, Russia is seeking to ally with Dodik and Covic, the two biggest champions of ethnic fragmentation and dysfunction in Bosnia.

Dodik is Russia’s primary asset in the region. Even more so than Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic, a longtime Kremlin ally, Dodik is the Balkan leader who most loudly champions Russian interests, voicing steadfast opposition to NATO, the EU, and especially U.S. influence in the Balkans. Over the past three years, Dodik has also become a frequent visitor to Moscow, and the worse the economic situation in his illiberal fief has become, the more openly he has lobbied for Russian financial support. Russia’s recent $125 million Yugoslav-era debt repayment to Bosnia, for instance, was primarily a lifeline for Dodik, who in January was sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury for conducting an unconstitutional referendum in late 2016. Washington believes the referendum, which sought to reinstate an official holiday marking Republika Srpska’s founding, violated the Dayton peace accords by ignoring the Bosnian Constitutional Court’s repeated finding that the holiday discriminated against the region’s non-Serb population. Covic is a considerably more nebulous figure. To begin with, it is difficult to separate him from his benefactors in Zagreb. Like the nationalists in Serbia, Croatia’s ruling HDZ has never quite given up its irredentist claims on the Croat-majority regions of Bosnia. Indeed, Croatian parliament, head of Bosnia’s nongovernmental Croatian National Assembly, and a former member of the Bosnian parliament neatly illustrate the connection between the HDZ’s two wings.

Despite its irredentist tendencies, post-Yugoslav Croatia has historically been suspicious of Moscow’s presence in the Balkans. After all, Russia is the main international backer of Croatia’s chief rival, Serbia—a sponsorship that goes back to the time of former Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic at least. In response, Zagreb has traditionally gravitated toward Brussels and Washington. Croatian-Serbian acrimony has even devolved into smallscale proxy warfare, with Serbian extremists fighting for Russia in the Donbas conflict and Croatian radicals backing Ukraine. In Bosnia, however, these regional dynamics have always played out differently. In the 1990s, Zagreb and Belgrade worked together to carve up their smaller neighbor, through both tacit military coordination against Sarajevo and explicit compacts such as the ill-fated Graz Agreement of 1992. This cooperation has survived in the form of the years-long alliance between Dodik and Covic, who have become steadfast friends in a country known for seemingly constant interethnic strife. For Covic, Dodik’s absolute control in Republika Srpska serves as a template for his own quest to establish a “third entity” in Bosnia—an ostensibly monoethnic, Croat-dominated province in Herzegovina. For his part, Dodik sees Covic as an ally in his effort to undermine attempts by Bosnia’s national government (and its backers in Brussels and Washington) to create a more streamlined and rational administrative state for the country, which today has 14 different local governments for a population of less than four million people.

THE CROATIAN CONNECTION

The fact is that contrary to Dagmar Skrpec’s recent assertion in Foreign Affairs, Croatia is far from a beacon of regional stability. The country is on the precipice of its worst political and economic crisis since independence. Agrokor, one of the largest firms in the western Balkans and the backbone of Croatia’s economy, is on the brink of collapse. If it fails, it will absolutely decimate both the country and the region as a whole. Waiting in the wings is Russia’s state-backed Sberbank, which has emerged as Agrokor’s most aggressive creditor. Moscow, in other words, is poised to capture a huge portion of the Croatian economy in one fell swoop—and Zagreb knows it. So instead of being a bulwark against Russian influence in the Balkans, Croatia is set to become the next Russian domino to fall. It has recently quieted its criticism of the Kremlin’s activities in the region (while peddling Moscow’s favored revisionist claims about the dissolution of Yugoslavia) in exchange for favorable terms in navigating the country’s financial meltdown. This is where the two HDZs are important. On August 24, in the midst of Croatia’s economic crisis, Russian Ambassador to Bosnia Petar Ivancov spoke out vehemently on Bosnia’s so-called Croat question, which he called “a reality . . . that cannot be ignored and for which a solution must be found.” Ivancov’s words echoed the rhetoric of both the Croatian and the Bosnian HDZ parties, which allege the need for further ethnic fragmentation in Bosnia to defend the position of the country’s Croat community. By explicitly referring to the “Croat question,” Ivancov was deploying an HDZ-coined term that is rejected not only in Sarajevo but in Brussels. Ivancov made this announcement on the same day he spoke to Dodik in Banja Luka, the capital of Republika Srpska. There, the ambassador pledged Russian support for attempts by Republika Srpska to resist a recent decision by the Bosnian Constitutional Court, which found that all the military installations there were Bosnian state property. The issue is central to Bosnia’s NATO aspirations, as the alliance has demanded Sarajevo make a full accounting of all military properties in the country before its membership bid can continue.

Looking ahead to Bosnia’s 2018 general elections.

In particular, Moscow is concerned that it is seeing a genuine reformist alliance taking shape. Bosnia’s squabbling civic and left parties are moving toward a coalition pact that has long eluded them. At the same time, opposition forces in Republika Srpska, and among the HDZ’s Croat competitors, are consolidating their ranks. Bosnia’s constitutional regime, with its byzantine layers of ethnic quotas, is such that non–ethnically based parties have a hard time translating their votes to seats in government. But a landslide is not necessary for incremental change. A handful of strategic wins by opposition forces—such as opposition leader Mladen Ivanic’s 2014 defeat of Dodik’s pick for the Bosnian presidency’s Serb seat can create openings. Indeed, it is how the country managed to finally apply for EU candidacy last year. By simply allowing the application to be submitted, Ivanic significantly altered the obstructionist stance of Nikola Spiric, his Dodik-backed predecessor. Uzdat se u "ljevičarsku opoziciju" u FBiH je kao uzdat se u polumrtvog konja, a opozicija u RSu je tek smjehotres. Gde postoji konkurencija HDZ-u među Hrvatima? HSP?

If 2018 sees a similar opposition victory, then Bosnia, like Macedonia, will quickly renew its bid to join NATO—both an easier and more important project than joining the EU. For Sarajevo, NATO membership means a guarantee of sovereignty and territorial integrity. And with apprehension toward Russia growing in the United States and Europe, both might help usher Bosnia through the accession process. Ovo kao razmišljanje SDA "Rusija gura Dodika, konačno bi se moglo desiti da dobijemo 2.30 sekundi pažnje sa Zapada i 1.2% podrške za nas, i u kratkoj pauzi između krađa predstavimo sebe kao "pouzdane saveznike Zapada" ." Ali se ništa ne kaže o tome da NATO postavlja BiH uslove koji nigdje nisu postavljani i za koje znaju da se ne mogu ispuniti - dakle da NATO ne želi BiH, a da EU blago zaboli neka stvar sve kad bi kozaci igrali kolo svaki dan oko Banja Luke a Putin dijelio humanitarnu pomoć svojeručno. Russia, however, will feel that it cannot let Bosnia slip through its fingers. Even its deepening roots in Serbia will be largely futile if it loses its grip on the Balkans’ wounded center. Ovo je tačno - RS je Rusiji važnija od Srbije. Problem je što je i Zapadu važnija RS od Srbije, jer preko RS-a mogu handriti i BiH i bilo koju vlast u Srbiji. U postojanju današnjeg RS-a, interesi Zapada i Rusije se preklapaju i podrška RSu im je zajednička. One way or another, the next year will be a turning point for Russia’s plans in the region. If Moscow’s proxies in the country maintain their debilitating grip on power in 2018, Russia will likely retreat to the shadows, its objective of keeping Bosnia out of NATO and EU once again assured. But if the amalgam of reformist forces makes a breakthrough, then Moscow will be forced to respond by any means necessary.Ovo na kraju kao neka prijetnja - ako nazovi opozicija pobjedi, Rusija će kao pribjeći "any means necessary" da kao spriječi približavanje BIH NATO. Ali što bi pribjegavali bilo kakvim "any means" kad je Dejton dao dovoljno mehanizama blokade da se sve može zaustaviti kad god se prohtje? Nije niko lud da organizira "državni udar" kao u Crnoj Gori kad je Zapad već sam završio državni udar a Rusija može samo da pokupi kajmak

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