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Najstariji Kur’an pronađen u Birminghamu

Na Univerzitetu u Birminghamu pronađeni su najstariji dijelovi Kur’ana, koji je napisan najkasnije 20 godina nakon smrti Poslanika Muhammeda, s.a.v.s. Drevni fragmenti su stari gotovo 1.400 godina i vjerovatno ih je pisao jedan od ashaba, moguće čak i pod nadzorom samog Poslanika, s.a.v.s. Uprkos što je tako star, nakon ispitivanja utvrđeno je da je identičan Kur’anu kojeg imamo danas. Jer zaista Allah, s.v.t., je rekao: Mi, uistinu, Kur’an objavljujemo i zaista ćemo Mi nad njim bdjeti! (El-Hidžr, 9)
Drevni Kur’an je dio Mingana kolekcije koju sačinjava zbirka arapskih rukopisa prikupljenih u 1920.-tim godinama i do sada se nije znala njegova starost. Ovu kolekciju je finansirao Edward Cardbury.

Radiokarbonsko ispitivanje pronašlo je da je rukopis star najmanje 1.370 godina.
Stranice muslimanskog svetog teksta nalaze se u univerzitetskoj biblioteci gotovo jedan vijek, a stručnjak za ovakve rukopise dr. Muhammed Isa Waley, kaže da će ovo ‘uzbudljivo otkriće’ donijeti radost muslimanima.

Kada su doktori istraživači pažljivije pregledali ove stranice odlučili su da se izvrši test radiokabonzacije kako bi se utvrdila starost i rezultati su bili ‘zapanjujući’.
Susan Worrall, direktorka univerzitetske specijalne kolekcije, je kazala da istraživači ni u ‘najluđim snovima’ nisu očekivali da Kur’an bude ovako star.
Koran at Birmingham University“Otkriće jednog od najstarijih fragmenata Kur’na na cijelom svijetu je bilo fantastično uzbudljivo”.
Ispitivanja koje je sproveo Oksfordski univerzitet pokazala su da su fragmenti, ispisani na ovčjoj ili kozjoj koži, među najstarijim sačuvanim primjercima Kur’ana.
Ova ispitivanja pružaju niz datuma i pokazuju da, sa vjerovatnoćom većom od 95 posto, pergament datira između 568. i 645. godine
“Mogli bi nas odvesti natrag u vrijeme stvarnog osnivanja islama”, kazao je David Thomas, univerzitetski profesor kršćanstva i islama.
“Prema muslimanskoj tradiciji, Poslanik Muhammed je primao objavu Kur’ana, između 610. i 632. godine”.

Prof. Thomas kaže da bi utvrđivanje datuma folija iz Birminghama značilo da je sasvim moguće da je osoba koja ih je napisala živjela za vrijeme Poslanika Muhammeda.
“Osoba koja ih je zapravo pisala možda je poznavala Poslanika Muhammeda. Vjerovatno ga je vidio, možda ga je čuo, možda ga je poznavao, i to je zaista dobra pomisao”, kaže on.

Prof. Thomas kaže da su neke od sura Kur’ana zapisivane na pergamentu, kamenu, palminom lišću ili lopaticama deva, a da je konačna verzija, prikupljena u obliku knjige, završena oko 650. godine.

On kaže da ‘dijelovi Kur’ana koji su zapisani na ovom pergamentu, sa stepenom pouzdanosti, mogu datirati za manje od dva desetljeća nakon smrti Poslanika Muhammeda”.
“Ovi odlomci su u obliku koji je jako istovjetan obliku Kur’ana kojeg imamo danas, što podržava stav da je tekst prošao malo ili bez ikakvih promjena i da može datirati iz vremena za kada se vjeruje da je objavljen”.

Pergamenti svete knjige su napisani hidžazi pismom, odnosno stilom, jednim od najstarijih oblika arapskog pisma.

Dr. Waley, kurator ovakvih rukopisa u Britanskoj biblioteci, kaže da ‘ove dvije folije, na prelijepom i iznenađujuće čitljivom hidžazi rukopisu, gotovo sigurno datiraju iz vremena prve trojice halifa”.
Prva trojica halifa su bili vođe muslimanske zajednice između 632. i 656. godine.


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Svima onima koji su pokusavali osporavati autenticnost sadasnjeg Kur'ana su zacepljena usta sa ovim historijskim dokumentom.
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pronađeni su najstariji dijelovi Kur’ana, koji je napisan najkasnije 20 godina nakon smrti Poslanika Muhammeda, s.a.v.s. Drevni fragmenti su stari gotovo 1.400 godina i vjerovatno ih je pisao jedan od ashaba, moguće čak i pod nadzorom samog Poslanika, s.a.v.s. Upr
Pisan poslije njegove smrti, pod njegovim nadzorom i jos ako se uzme da je bio nepismen,
Neka mi neko objasni. Slaba sam sa logikom a sa vjerama pogotovo.
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pa najkasnije je pisan 20 godina nakon smrti Poslanika, a moguce da je pisan I za njegovog zivota pod njegovim nadzorom sto bi znacilo da je on sam diktirao
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nasa wrote:pa najkasnije je pisan 20 godina nakon smrti Poslanika, a moguce da je pisan I za njegovog zivota pod njegovim nadzorom sto bi znacilo da je on sam diktirao
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Sad jeste, a mogli su i oni tako napisati.
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Ja nisam znala za ovo, malo sam sad proguglala...hajde napokon da pisemo I nesto lijepo jer jeste vazno otkrice
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Asta wrote:
pronađeni su najstariji dijelovi Kur’ana, koji je napisan najkasnije 20 godina nakon smrti Poslanika Muhammeda, s.a.v.s. Drevni fragmenti su stari gotovo 1.400 godina i vjerovatno ih je pisao jedan od ashaba, moguće čak i pod nadzorom samog Poslanika, s.a.v.s. Upr
Pisan poslije njegove smrti, pod njegovim nadzorom i jos ako se uzme da je bio nepismen,
Neka mi neko objasni. Slaba sam sa logikom a sa vjerama pogotovo.
Kuran je bio u papirnoj formi kao knjiga tek poslije smrti poslanika, i to za vrijeme halife osmana , a za vrijeme Poslanika Kur'an je bio pisan na razne materijale, kao koza, listovi, kamenje, zivotinjske, kosti , na keramici itd

Poslanik je licno nadzirao pisanje Kurana tako sto je pisaru naredio da mu procita nakon sto zavrsi zapisivanje tako da poslanik moze ispraviti gresku ako je doslo do nje. O ovome imaju hadisi, kako je silazila objava i kako je zapisivana, tako da to nije rekla kazala.
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Smrcak15 wrote:
Asta wrote:
pronađeni su najstariji dijelovi Kur’ana, koji je napisan najkasnije 20 godina nakon smrti Poslanika Muhammeda, s.a.v.s. Drevni fragmenti su stari gotovo 1.400 godina i vjerovatno ih je pisao jedan od ashaba, moguće čak i pod nadzorom samog Poslanika, s.a.v.s. Upr
Pisan poslije njegove smrti, pod njegovim nadzorom i jos ako se uzme da je bio nepismen,
Neka mi neko objasni. Slaba sam sa logikom a sa vjerama pogotovo.
Kuran je bio u papirnoj formi kao knjiga tek poslije smrti poslanika, i to za vrijeme halife osmana , a za vrijeme Poslanika Kur'an je bio pisan na razne materijale, kao koza, listovi, kamenje, zivotinjske, kosti , na keramici itd

Poslanik je licno nadzirao pisanje Kurana tako sto je pisaru naredio da mu procita nakon sto zavrsi zapisivanje tako da poslanik moze ispraviti gresku ako je doslo do nje. O ovome imaju hadisi, kako je silazila objava i kako je zapisivana, tako da to nije rekla kazala.
Hvala, nisam ja ni rekla da je "rekla kazala"
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Smrcak15 wrote:Ova ispitivanja pružaju niz datuma i pokazuju da, sa vjerovatnoćom većom od 95 posto, pergament datira između 568. i 645. godine
“Prema muslimanskoj tradiciji, Poslanik Muhammed je primao objavu Kur’ana, između 610. i 632. godine”.
Keith Small, from the University of Oxford's Bodleian Library, added: 'This gives more ground to what have been peripheral views of the Koran's genesis, like that Muhammad and his early followers used a text that was already in existence and shaped it to fit their own political and theological agenda, rather than Muhammad receiving a revelation from heaven.
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nasa wrote:pa najkasnije je pisan 20 godina nakon smrti Poslanika, a moguce da je pisan I za njegovog zivota pod njegovim nadzorom sto bi znacilo da je on sam diktirao
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po vjerodostojnim hadisima zapisivan je za vrijeme poslanika i to pod licnim njegovim nadzorom, tako sto je pisarima govorio kad zapisu ajete da mu procitaju da vidi jeli zapisano tacno, to prenosi glavni pisar poslanika Zejd ibn Sabit.

http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2010/ ... etime.html


عن زيد بن ثابت قال: كنت أكتب الوحي لرسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم، وكان «إذا نزل عليه أخذته برحاء شديدة، وعرق عرقا شديدا مثل الجمان، ثم سري عنه» ، فكنت أدخل عليه بقطعة الكتف أو كسرة، فأكتب وهو يملي علي، فما أفرغ حتى تكاد رجلي تنكسر من ثقل القرآن، وحتى أقول: لا أمشي على رجلي أبدا، فإذا فرغت قال: «اقرأه» ، فأقرؤه، فإن كان فيه سقط أقامه، ثم أخرج به إلى الناس

Zaid bin Thabit, one of the chief scribes relates: "I used to write down the revelation for the Holy Prophet, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. When the revelation came to him he felt intense heat and drops of perspiration used to roll down his body like pearls. When this state was over I used to fetch a shoulder bone or a piece of something else. He used to go on dictating and I used to write it down. When I finished writing the sheer weight of transcription gave me the feeling that my leg would break and I would not be able to walk anymore. Anyhow when I finished writing, he would say, 'Read!' and I would read it back to him. If there was an omission or error he used to correct it and then let it be brought before the people."[4]


[4] Mu'jam Al-Tabarani Al-Awst, Hadith 1913. Dar al-Haramain, Cairo, 1415 AH
Authenticated by Al-Haithmi in Majma’ Al-Zawaid 8/257, Hadith 13938
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sobzirom da se tice teme ovaj tekst se mora procitati

Orginalnost Kur'ana

Kur'an koji vi, muslimani, danas imate nije originalni Kur'an, već Osmanov.
Jedan od najčešćih mitova u vezi Časnog Kur'ana je da je Osman, r.a., treći pravedni halifa, prikupio kur'anski tekst u jednu zbirku i, između mnoštva kontradiktornih verzija, odabrao jedan Kur'an. Ovaj Kur'an, kojeg svi muslimani svijeta smatraju Božijom objavom, isti je onaj Kur'an koji je objavljen posljednjem Božijem poslaniku, Muhammedu, sallallahu alejhi ve sellem Kur'anske sure su pisane i grupirane pod direktnim nadzorom Božijeg Poslanika. Ovdje ćemo analizirati korijene mita o tome da je Osman, r.a., odabrao današnji Kur'an.

Božiji Poslanik je lično nadzirao pisanje kur'anskog teksta

Kad god bi Božiji Poslanik, s.a.v.s., primio objavu, najprije bi objavljene ajete naučio napamet, a zatim ih citirao ashabima, r.a., koji bi ih, također, naučili napamet. Odmah nakon toga, Božiji Poslanikje tražio od pisara da zapišu ono što je objavljeno, nakon čega bi provjerio zapisano. Muhammed, sallallahu alejhi ve sellem., je bio Ummijj, poslanik koji nije znao ni čitati ni pisati. Zato je sve objavljene ajete citirao ashabima koji su ih zapisivali. Nakon toga je tražio da prouče ono što su zapisali. Ako bi se desila bilo kakva greška, Poslanik bi odmah reagirao i tražio da se ispravi. Isto tako, on je povremeno provjeravao ono što su ashabi ranije zapisali i naučili napamet od Kur'ana. Na taj način je Kur'an zapisan pod direktnom kontrolom Božijeg poslanika, Muhammeda, sallallahu alejhi ve sellem

Redoslijed kur'anskih sura i raspored ajeta su Božija odredba

Kur'an je objavljivan u periodu od 23 godine, dio po dio, u skladu s potrebama. Kur'an nije kompletiran onako kako je objavljivan Božijem Poslaniku. Njegov raspored je određen putem objave od Allaha. Uzvišeni Allah je Svom Poslaniku sallallahu alejhi ve sellem, direktno naređivao kakav treba biti raspored ajeta i sura. Zato je Božiji Poslanik pisarima nalagao u kojoj suri i iza kojeg ajeta moraju biti zapisani objavljeni ajeti. Svakog ramazana, Božiji Poslanikje pred melekom Džibrilom učio sve što je od Kur'ana do tada objavljeno, uključujući i redoslijed ajeta. U toku posljed-njeg ramazana, prije nego je preselio na Ahiret, dva puta je pred Džibrilom proučio cijeli Kur'an.

Iz ovoga se vidi da je Kur'an kompletiran i provjeravan još za života Božijeg Poslanika. On je provjeravao i ono što su ashabi napamet naučili i ono što su pisari zapisali.

Kur'an je sakupljen u jedan Mushaf

Kompletan Kur'an je zapisan još dokje Božiji Poslanik bio živ, zajedno sa redoslijedom ajeta i sura. Međutim, Kur'an nije bio napi-san na materijalu iste vrste; neki dijelovi su bili napisani na kamenu, neki na životinjskim kožama, neki na palminim listovima... Nakon smrti Božijeg Poslanika, sallallahu alejhi ve sellem, Ebu Bekr, prvi halifa, naredio je da se sav kur'anski tekst prepiše na materijalu iste vrste i ukoriči u jedan Mushaf. Tako je Časni Kur'an prvi put ukoričen u tvrdi povez, i ništa se od njegovog teksta nije moglo zagubiti.

Osman je napravio nekoliko kopija originalnog rukopisa

Mnogo ashaba je zapisivalo sve što je objavljeno Božijem Poslaniku, sallallahu alejhi ve sellem. Pošto Božiji Poslanik nije verificirao šta je svaki od njih zapisivao, postojavala je realna opasnost da su neki pogriješili u nekim dijelovima, pa čak i da su neki dijelovi Kur'ana, možda, i nedostajali. Možda neki ashabi nisu zapisali samo ono što su čuli od Božijeg Poslanika direktno. Ashabi su za vrijeme trećeg halife, Osmana, r.a., strahovali od mogućih sukoba oko različitog rasporeda Kur'anskih sura.

Osman, r.a., je od Hafse, r.a., Poslanikove supruge, pozajmio originalni Mushaf, čiji je tekst odobrio lično Allahov Poslanik. Zatim je pozvao četiri ashaba koji su bili pisari Allahovog Poslanika, sallallahu alejhi ve sellem, na čelu sa Zejdom ibn Sabitom, i naredio im da Kur'an prepišu u nekoliko perfektnih primjeraka. Te Mushafe je poslao u razne krajeve velike islamske države.

Bilo je i drugih primjeraka Kur'ana koje su neki ljudi imali kod sebe, ali je postojala opasnost da nisu kompletni i da su imali grešaka. Osman, r.a., je pozvao muslimane da unište sve neautorizirane kopije koje se ne slažu s originalnim tekstom kako bi se Kur'an sačuvao. Dva primjerka kopija originalnog Kur'ana postoje i danas; jedan je u muzeju u Taškentu, a drugi u Istanbulu.

Znaci interpunkcije su dodati radi nearapa

Originalni rukopis Kur'ana nema znake interpunkcije koji u arapskom jeziku označavaju samoglasnike. To su fetha, kesra i damma. Arapima ne trebaju znaci interpunkcije, niti tačke kod pojedinih harfova, zato što im je to maternji jezik. Međutim, muslimanima nearapima je bilo teško učiti Kur'an bez tih dodatnih znakova. Ovi znaci su prvi put dodati kur'anskom tekstu za vrijeme hilafeta petog Umejjevićevog halife, Malika ibn Mer-vana (66-86. po hidžri / 685-705. nove ere).

Neki ljudi kažu da današnji Kur'an sa tačkama i znacima interpukcije nije Kur'an koji je postojao za vrijeme Muhammeda, sallallahu alejhi ve sellem . Međutim, oni zaboravljaju da riječ Kur'an znači recitiranje, učenje. Zato je očuvanje učenja Kur'ana bitno, bez obzira da li se tijegov tekst pisao znacima interpukcije ili ne. Ako su izgovor i pisanje arapskih riječi isti, onda im je i značenje isto.

Allah je lično obećao da će čuvati Kur'an

Uzvišeni Allah je obećao u Kur'anu:

Mi, uistinu, Kur'an objavljujemo i zaista ćemo Mi nad njim vJjeti! (El-Hidžr, 9)

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jasko_ba wrote:
Smrcak15 wrote:Ova ispitivanja pružaju niz datuma i pokazuju da, sa vjerovatnoćom većom od 95 posto, pergament datira između 568. i 645. godine
“Prema muslimanskoj tradiciji, Poslanik Muhammed je primao objavu Kur’ana, između 610. i 632. godine”.
Keith Small, from the University of Oxford's Bodleian Library, added: 'This gives more ground to what have been peripheral views of the Koran's genesis, like that Muhammad and his early followers used a text that was already in existence and shaped it to fit their own political and theological agenda, rather than Muhammad receiving a revelation from heaven.
To je naveca glupost ikad napisana, kolika je glupost da ateista kritikuje druge ateiste upravo zbog tih izjava i i kaze da takve izjave pravi ateiste budalama i samo njima stetu nanosi.

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Što se tiče samog Kur'ana i teza o njegovom "nastanku" te negiranju, kao Objave - sve to je već pomenuto u samom Kur'anu tako da se neće ni danas o tome ništa novo kazat...
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Da. Kao da neko očekuje od nevjernika da kaže to je Božija objava. :-)
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Jesam li ja nesto pogresno procitao ili su oni pronasli ovaj kuran u biblioteci ?
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r_faruk wrote:Jesam li ja nesto pogresno procitao ili su oni pronasli ovaj kuran u biblioteci ?
pronasli ga u arhivama medju manuscriptima na univerzitetu u Birminghamu, donesen nekad davno i niko ga nije dirao niti je znao da je tako star, dok nisu pronasli i mjerili i ustanovili da je iz perioda poslanika ili odmah neposredno poslije smrti poslanika Muhammeda.
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ABH017 wrote:Da. Kao da neko očekuje od nevjernika da kaže to je Božija objava. :-)
Normalno da nećemo ni reči kada Bog ne postoji.
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Ludzak wrote:
ABH017 wrote:Da. Kao da neko očekuje od nevjernika da kaže to je Božija objava. :-)
Normalno da nećemo ni reči kada Bog ne postoji.
Kako mozes sa sigurnoscu reci da nepostoji, sta je dokaz da nepostoji osim sto ga nemozemo vidjeti?
Daleko vise ima dokaza za njegovo postojanje nego sto ima dokaza za nepostojanje.
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Smrcak15 wrote:
Ludzak wrote:
ABH017 wrote:Da. Kao da neko očekuje od nevjernika da kaže to je Božija objava. :-)
Normalno da nećemo ni reči kada Bog ne postoji.
Kako mozes sa sigurnoscu reci da nepostoji, sta je dokaz da nepostoji osim sto ga nemozemo vidjeti?
Daleko vise ima dokaza za njegovo postojanje nego sto ima dokaza za nepostojanje.
Hahaha dokazi su ti svugdje oko tebe. Samo ne znam kakve ti inas dokaze za njegovo postojanje. I objasni mi neke teorije po čemu si ti skontao da ima više dojaza da postoji nego da ne postoji.
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#20 Re: Pronadjen Kur'an iz period poslanika Muhammeda

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Ludzak wrote: Hahaha dokazi su ti svugdje oko tebe. Samo ne znam kakve ti inas dokaze za njegovo postojanje. I objasni mi neke teorije po čemu si ti skontao da ima više dojaza da postoji nego da ne postoji.
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The Speed of the Big Bang Explosion:

The balances established with the Big Bang, the instantaneous formation of the universe, are one of the proofs that the universe did not come into being by chance. According to the well-known Adelaide University professor of mathematical physics Paul Davies, if the rate of expansion that took place following the Big Bang had been just one in a billion billion parts different (1/1018), the universe could not have come into being. 3

The Four Forces:

All physical motion in the universe comes about thanks to the interaction and equilibrium of the four forces recognised by modern physics: gravity, electromagnetic force, strong nuclear force and weak nuclear force. These forces possess extraordinarily different values to one another.4

The Distances between Celestial Bodies:

The distribution of celestial bodies in space and the enormous spaces between them are essential to the existence of life on Earth. The distances between celestial bodies have been set out in a calculation compatible with a great many powerful universal forces in such a way as to support life on Earth.5

Gravity:

- If gravity were stronger, excessive ammonia and methane would collect in the Earth's atmosphere, which would have a most damaging effect on life.
- If it were weaker, the Earth's atmosphere would lose excessive quantities of water, making life impossible.

The Earth’s Distance from the Sun:

- If this were any greater, the planet would grow very cold, the water cycle in the atmosphere would be affected, and the planet would enter an ice-age.
- If the Earth were any closer to the Sun, plants would burn up, the water cycle in the Earth's atmosphere would be irreparably damaged, and life would become impossible.

The Thickness of the Earth’s Crust:

- If the crust were any thicker, then an excessive amount of oxygen would be transferred to it from the atmosphere.
- If it were any thinner, the resulting amount of volcanic activity would make life impossible.

The Speed at which the Earth Revolves:

- If this were any slower, the temperature difference between day and night would grow enormously.
- If it were any faster, then atmospheric winds would reach enormous speeds, and cyclones and storms would make life impossible.

The Earth’s Magnetic Field:

- If this were any more powerful, very strong electromagnetic storms would arise.
- If it were any weaker, then the Earth would lose its protection against the harmful particles given off by the Sun and known as solar winds. Both situations would make life impossible.

The Albedo Effect (The Fraction of Light Reflected by the Earth):

- If this were any greater, an ice-age would rapidly result.
- If it were any less, the greenhouse effect would lead to excessive warming. The Earth would first be flooded with the melting of the glaciers, and would then burn up.

The Proportion of Oxygen and Nitrogen in the Atmosphere:

- If this were any greater, vital functions would be adversely accelerated.
- If it were any less, vital functions would adversely slow down.

The Proportion of Carbon Dioxide and Water in the Atmosphere:

- If this were any greater, the atmosphere would overheat.
- If it were any less, the temperature of the atmosphere would fall.

The Thickness of the Ozone Layer:

- If this were any greater, the Earth's temperature would fall enormously.
- If it were any less, the Earth would overheat and be defenceless against the harmful ultraviolet rays emitted by the Sun.

Seismic Activity (Earthquakes):

- If this were any greater, there would be constant upheaval for living things.
- If it were any less, the nutrients at the sea bottom would fail to spread into the water. This would have a damaging effect on life in the seas and oceans and all living things on Earth.

The Earth’s Angle of Tilt:

The Earth has a 23 degree angle of inclination to its orbit. It is this inclination that gives rise to the seasons. If this angle were any greater or any less than it is now, the temperature difference between the seasons would reach extreme dimensions, with unbearably hot summers and bitterly cold winters.

The Size of the Sun:

A smaller star than the Sun would mean the Earth would freeze and a larger star would lead to its burning up.

The Attraction between the Earth and the Moon:

- If this were any greater, the powerful attraction of the Moon would have extremely serious effects on atmospheric conditions, the speed at which the Earth revolves around its own axis and on the ocean tides.
- If it were any less, this would lead to extreme climate changes.

The Distance between the Earth and the Moon:

- If they were just a little closer, the Moon would crash into the Earth.
- If they were any further, the Moon would become lost in space.
- If they were even a little closer, the Moon's effect on the Earth's tides would reach dangerous dimensions. Ocean waves would inundate low-lying areas. The friction emerging as a result of this would raise the temperature of the oceans and the sensitive temperature balance essential to life on
Earth would disappear.
- If they were even a little further away, the tides would decrease, leading the oceans to be less mobile. Immobile water would endanger life in the seas, and the level of the oxygen we breathe would be endangered.6

The Temperature of the Earth and Carbon-Based Life:

The existence of carbon, the basis of all life, depends on the temperature remaining within specific limits. Carbon is an essential substance for organic molecules such as amino-acid, nucleic acid and protein: These constitute the basis of life. For that reason, life can only be carbon-based. Given this, the existing temperature needs to be no lower than -20 degrees and no higher than 1200 Celsius (2480 F). These are just the temperature limits on Earth.

These are just a few of the exceedingly sensitive balances which are essential for life on Earth to have emerged and to survive. Yet even these are sufficient to definitively reveal that the Earth and the universe could not have come into being as the result of a number of consecutive coincidences. The concepts of "fine-tuning" and the "anthropic principle" that began to be employed in the 20th century are further evidence of Allah's creation. The harmony and proportion therein were described with magnificent accuracy fourteen centuries ago in the Qur'an.

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#21 Re: Pronadjen Kur'an iz period poslanika Muhammeda

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Ludzak wrote:
ABH017 wrote:Da. Kao da neko očekuje od nevjernika da kaže to je Božija objava. :-)
Normalno da nećemo ni reči kada Bog ne postoji.
Pa slobodno nemojte reČi. Nije zabranjeno.
Treba imati rezumjevanja i za to.
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#22 Re: Pronadjen Kur'an iz period poslanika Muhammeda

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Smrcak15 wrote:
Ludzak wrote: Hahaha dokazi su ti svugdje oko tebe. Samo ne znam kakve ti inas dokaze za njegovo postojanje. I objasni mi neke teorije po čemu si ti skontao da ima više dojaza da postoji nego da ne postoji.
evo za pocetak

prvo cemo krenut sa videom


The Speed of the Big Bang Explosion:

The balances established with the Big Bang, the instantaneous formation of the universe, are one of the proofs that the universe did not come into being by chance. According to the well-known Adelaide University professor of mathematical physics Paul Davies, if the rate of expansion that took place following the Big Bang had been just one in a billion billion parts different (1/1018), the universe could not have come into being. 3

The Four Forces:

All physical motion in the universe comes about thanks to the interaction and equilibrium of the four forces recognised by modern physics: gravity, electromagnetic force, strong nuclear force and weak nuclear force. These forces possess extraordinarily different values to one another.4

The Distances between Celestial Bodies:

The distribution of celestial bodies in space and the enormous spaces between them are essential to the existence of life on Earth. The distances between celestial bodies have been set out in a calculation compatible with a great many powerful universal forces in such a way as to support life on Earth.5

Gravity:

- If gravity were stronger, excessive ammonia and methane would collect in the Earth's atmosphere, which would have a most damaging effect on life.
- If it were weaker, the Earth's atmosphere would lose excessive quantities of water, making life impossible.

The Earth’s Distance from the Sun:

- If this were any greater, the planet would grow very cold, the water cycle in the atmosphere would be affected, and the planet would enter an ice-age.
- If the Earth were any closer to the Sun, plants would burn up, the water cycle in the Earth's atmosphere would be irreparably damaged, and life would become impossible.

The Thickness of the Earth’s Crust:

- If the crust were any thicker, then an excessive amount of oxygen would be transferred to it from the atmosphere.
- If it were any thinner, the resulting amount of volcanic activity would make life impossible.

The Speed at which the Earth Revolves:

- If this were any slower, the temperature difference between day and night would grow enormously.
- If it were any faster, then atmospheric winds would reach enormous speeds, and cyclones and storms would make life impossible.

The Earth’s Magnetic Field:

- If this were any more powerful, very strong electromagnetic storms would arise.
- If it were any weaker, then the Earth would lose its protection against the harmful particles given off by the Sun and known as solar winds. Both situations would make life impossible.

The Albedo Effect (The Fraction of Light Reflected by the Earth):

- If this were any greater, an ice-age would rapidly result.
- If it were any less, the greenhouse effect would lead to excessive warming. The Earth would first be flooded with the melting of the glaciers, and would then burn up.

The Proportion of Oxygen and Nitrogen in the Atmosphere:

- If this were any greater, vital functions would be adversely accelerated.
- If it were any less, vital functions would adversely slow down.

The Proportion of Carbon Dioxide and Water in the Atmosphere:

- If this were any greater, the atmosphere would overheat.
- If it were any less, the temperature of the atmosphere would fall.

The Thickness of the Ozone Layer:

- If this were any greater, the Earth's temperature would fall enormously.
- If it were any less, the Earth would overheat and be defenceless against the harmful ultraviolet rays emitted by the Sun.

Seismic Activity (Earthquakes):

- If this were any greater, there would be constant upheaval for living things.
- If it were any less, the nutrients at the sea bottom would fail to spread into the water. This would have a damaging effect on life in the seas and oceans and all living things on Earth.

The Earth’s Angle of Tilt:

The Earth has a 23 degree angle of inclination to its orbit. It is this inclination that gives rise to the seasons. If this angle were any greater or any less than it is now, the temperature difference between the seasons would reach extreme dimensions, with unbearably hot summers and bitterly cold winters.

The Size of the Sun:

A smaller star than the Sun would mean the Earth would freeze and a larger star would lead to its burning up.

The Attraction between the Earth and the Moon:

- If this were any greater, the powerful attraction of the Moon would have extremely serious effects on atmospheric conditions, the speed at which the Earth revolves around its own axis and on the ocean tides.
- If it were any less, this would lead to extreme climate changes.

The Distance between the Earth and the Moon:

- If they were just a little closer, the Moon would crash into the Earth.
- If they were any further, the Moon would become lost in space.
- If they were even a little closer, the Moon's effect on the Earth's tides would reach dangerous dimensions. Ocean waves would inundate low-lying areas. The friction emerging as a result of this would raise the temperature of the oceans and the sensitive temperature balance essential to life on
Earth would disappear.
- If they were even a little further away, the tides would decrease, leading the oceans to be less mobile. Immobile water would endanger life in the seas, and the level of the oxygen we breathe would be endangered.6

The Temperature of the Earth and Carbon-Based Life:

The existence of carbon, the basis of all life, depends on the temperature remaining within specific limits. Carbon is an essential substance for organic molecules such as amino-acid, nucleic acid and protein: These constitute the basis of life. For that reason, life can only be carbon-based. Given this, the existing temperature needs to be no lower than -20 degrees and no higher than 1200 Celsius (2480 F). These are just the temperature limits on Earth.

These are just a few of the exceedingly sensitive balances which are essential for life on Earth to have emerged and to survive. Yet even these are sufficient to definitively reveal that the Earth and the universe could not have come into being as the result of a number of consecutive coincidences. The concepts of "fine-tuning" and the "anthropic principle" that began to be employed in the 20th century are further evidence of Allah's creation. The harmony and proportion therein were described with magnificent accuracy fourteen centuries ago in the Qur'an.

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#23 Re: Pronadjen Kur'an iz period poslanika Muhammeda

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Nijedan ovaj dokaz nije bio poznat prije 1400 god.
Mi ćemo im pružati dokaze Naše u prostranstvima svemirskim, a i u njima samim, dok im ne bude sasvim jasno da je Kur’an istina. A zar nije dovoljno to što je Gospodar tvoj o svemu obaviješten?
Znaci Allah je ljudima prije 1400 god.pružao dokaze, ali posto nauka nije bila toliko razvijena, oni nisu mogli povjerovati.

Pitam se kako su ljudi tada vjerovali...
Doduše, tad su bile mudzize i kerameti, danas ih nema...
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