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[Stoner]

Socijalisticku ? To sto mu se stranka zvala Nacional-socijalisticka, ne garantuje i takav pristup... I na tarabi pise pi*ka, pa sam ga zgulio gurajuci dok nisam skontao da ipak nije to=to... I kod nas sve neke demokratske stranke/partije, a sami izbori kandidata unutar stranaka najcesce zatvoreni za sire clanstvo...

Oj, Pegambere...

Dakle, ni socijalističke partije nisu socijalističke?
E drndalo moje..

[supercali]

Bio inspiracija za isti

[Stoner]

Ma Stoner se nada da ce u nekom lupanju nesto pogoditi, pa skace sa jedne teme na drugu.

Podržavali su ga domaći kapitalisti da bi im uveo protekcionističke mjere, srezao troškove radne snage i uvećao moć. Ti misliš da korporacije bez pogovora podržavaju kapitalizam a to nije tačno.

[spreca]

Nego, hljeba vam, kako od one budalaste rupe kod Bihaca dodjoste do Adolfa?

jos se nezna gdje ce biti kraj

[Stoner]

Sad kad smo ustanovili da je i Hitler bio socijalista odmah se fol tema mijenja.

[supercali]

Ako je on socijalista ja sam winston cercil

[Stoner]

Ako je on socijalista ja sam winston cercil

Nego šta je bio?

[cindrlimindrli]

Ako je on socijalista ja sam winston cercil

Nego šta je bio?

Psihopata, manijak, notorni zlocinac.

[madner]

Ma Stoner se nada da ce u nekom lupanju nesto pogoditi, pa skace sa jedne teme na drugu.

Podržavali su ga domaći kapitalisti da bi im uveo protekcionističke mjere, srezao troškove radne snage i uvećao moć. Ti misliš da korporacije bez pogovora podržavaju kapitalizam a to nije tačno.

On Monday, 20 February 1933, at 6.00 p.m., a group of about twenty five businessmen were summoned to attend a private meeting in the villa of Hermann Goering, now acting as president of the Reichstag, at which Hitler, the Reich Chancellor, was to 'explain his policies'. The guests were an oddly assorted bunch. The invitees included leaders of German
industry, men such as Georg von Schnitzler, second in command at IG Farben, Krupp von Bohlen, who was both head-by-marriage of the Krupp empire and the current chairman of the Reich industrial association, and Dr Albert Voegler the CEO of the Vereinigte Stahlwerke, the world's second largest steel firm.
...
He had come to inform them of his intentions. And his audience can have been left in no doubt. Germany's new Chancellor
planned to put an end to parliamentary democracy. He planned to crush the German left and in the process he was more than willing to use physical force. At least according to the surviving record, the conflict between left and right was the central theme of the speeches by both Hitler and Goering on 20 February.

No sta zna Hitler sta je.

[Stoner]

Psihopata, manijak, notorni zlocinac.

Dobro,to znamo. Pitam jel bio socijalista? Ako nije, šta je bio?

[cindrlimindrli]

Nego, hljeba vam, kako od one budalaste rupe kod Bihaca dodjoste do Adolfa?

jos se nezna gdje ce biti kraj

Dogurace se i do Dzingis Kana, nema sumnje.

[Stoner]

Ma Stoner se nada da ce u nekom lupanju nesto pogoditi, pa skace sa jedne teme na drugu.

Podržavali su ga domaći kapitalisti da bi im uveo protekcionističke mjere, srezao troškove radne snage i uvećao moć. Ti misliš da korporacije bez pogovora podržavaju kapitalizam a to nije tačno.

No sta zna Hitler sta je.

Ajde ponovo pročitaj šta sam ti ja napisao.

[cindrlimindrli]

Psihopata, manijak, notorni zlocinac.

Dobro,to znamo. Pitam jel bio socijalista? Ako nije, šta je bio?

Pa firer

[supercali]

Ako je on socijalista ja sam winston cercil

Nego šta je bio?

Bio demokrata eno mu u sdp-u pristupnica pod brojem 2 tito bio prvi

[Stoner]

Ako ja osnujem Socijalističku partiju, zagovaram protekcionizam u industriji automobila i ako me finansira domaći autoproizvođač znači li to da sam ja kapitalist?

[supercali]

Pa i dosik je na papiru socijal demokrata

[Domaci izdajnik]

Zanimljivo. Ja si ne mogu ni biciklo kupit' a stari u mojim godinama stojadiina novog uzeo

to što si ti nezaposlen je druga stvar
šta ti je stari rdio, koja firma
nađi današnje slično radno mjesto i firmu i vidi da za tu platu može sigurno mnogo toga više kupit
prosječna plata u BH je 840 KM, Škoda Fabia kao neki pandam stojdainu, iako je razlika nebo i zemlja, ali eto uzmimo neko prosječno porodično auto s pram današnjeg vremena, košt anekih 15.000 KM
dakle uz 840 KM prosječne plate možeš ga kupiti 18 mjeseci
čisto sumnjam da se sa prosječnom jugoslovenskom platom mogao kupiti stojadin za 18 mjeseci !!!

Gdje su to prosječne radničke plate 840 KM? Ljudi koji imaju sreće da nađu posao lupaju se nogama u dupe za 450-500 KM....to je ona statistika jedni jedu meso, a drugi kupus - svi jedemo sarmu!

[supercali]

Jel nova kosta 15 ili malo vise

[madner]

Pa ti pojma nemas o Hitlerovim ekonomskim principima.

And what was also clear was that many leaders of German business thrived in this authoritarian atmosphere. In the sphere of their own firms they were now the undisputed leaders, empowered as such by the national labour law of 1934. Owners and managers alike bought enthusiastically into the rhetoric of Fuehrertum. It meshed all too neatly with the concept of Unternehmertum (entrepreneurial leadership) that had become increasingly fashionable in business circles, as an ideological counterpoint to the interventionist tendencies of trade unions and the Weimar welfare state.

Meni ovo izgleda onako dosta desno, no haj ga znaj. Mislim nije da ja tebi ne vjerujem, no koja je tacno tvoja referenca?

[Stoner]

Pa ti pojma nemas o Hitlerovim ekonomskim principima.

And what was also clear was that many leaders of German business thrived in this authoritarian atmosphere. In the sphere of their own firms they were now the undisputed leaders, empowered as such by the national labour law of 1934. Owners and managers alike bought enthusiastically into the rhetoric of Fuehrertum. It meshed all too neatly with the concept of Unternehmertum (entrepreneurial leadership) that had become increasingly fashionable in business circles, as an ideological counterpoint to the interventionist tendencies of trade unions and the Weimar welfare state.

Meni ovo izgleda onako dosta desno, no haj ga znaj. Mislim nije da ja tebi ne vjerujem, no koja je tacno tvoja referenca?

Rasle su domaće korporacije jer su se koristili Jevreji kao radna snagai jer ih se štitilo. Kada imaš hiljade ljudi kojima ne isplaćuješ ništa onda nema troškova. Njemačka je težila autaričnoj ekonomiji. Uvodila je svakakva uvozna ograničenja.
Uostalom, nije Hitler sprovodio svoje principe nego Hjalmar Schaht. Ne mogu masovna zapošljavanja u javnom sektoru biti desna politika. Ne može poticanje na monopol i kartel biti desno kada je desnica za slobodno tržište. Svaka je ekonomija mješovita, samo je pitanje jel naginje desno ili lijevo.
Hitlerova je naravno naginjala lijevo.

[Stoner]

A evo ti Hitlerovih principa i citata:


We are Socialists, we are enemies of the capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.

For the folk-community does not exist on the fictitious value of money but on the results of productive labour, which is what gives money its value.

Basically National Socialism and Marxism are the same.

National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with the democratic order.

THE COMMON INTEREST BEFORE SELF-INTEREST -
THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF THE PROGRAM. BREAKING OF THE THRALDOM OF INTEREST - THAT IS THE KERNEL OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM

[madner]

Pa ti pojma nemas o Hitlerovim ekonomskim principima.

And what was also clear was that many leaders of German business thrived in this authoritarian atmosphere. In the sphere of their own firms they were now the undisputed leaders, empowered as such by the national labour law of 1934. Owners and managers alike bought enthusiastically into the rhetoric of Fuehrertum. It meshed all too neatly with the concept of Unternehmertum (entrepreneurial leadership) that had become increasingly fashionable in business circles, as an ideological counterpoint to the interventionist tendencies of trade unions and the Weimar welfare state.

Meni ovo izgleda onako dosta desno, no haj ga znaj. Mislim nije da ja tebi ne vjerujem, no koja je tacno tvoja referenca?

Rasle su domaće korporacije jer su se koristili Jevreji kao radna snagai jer ih se štitilo. Kada imaš hiljade ljudi kojima ne isplaćuješ ništa onda nema troškova. Njemačka je težila autaričnoj ekonomiji. Uvodila je svakakva uvozna ograničenja.
Uostalom, nije Hitler sprovodio svoje principe nego Hjalmar Schaht. Ne mogu masovna zapošljavanja u javnom sektoru biti desna politika. Ne može poticanje na monopol i kartel biti desno kada je desnica za slobodno tržište. Svaka je ekonomija mješovita, samo je pitanje jel naginje desno ili lijevo.
Hitlerova je naravno naginjala lijevo.

Druze ti si nesto debelo pomjesao. Govorimo o 1933 ne o 1944. Nije bilo hiljade ljudi kojima se nije nista isplacivalo.

To je tacno no covjek je bio kapitalista.
Masovnih zaposljavanja u javnom sektoru nije bilo, osim u vojsci. No to je bilo sasvim u skladu sa tadasnjom teorijom poticanja rasta a Njemacka vojska premala za velicinu drzave.

No opet da pustimo citate da kazu sta misle

However, in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the S A, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events.

Furthermore, though it is important to do justice to the shift in power relations between the state and business that undoubtedly occurred in the early 1930s, we must be careful to avoid falling into the trap of viewing German business merely as the passive object of the regime's draconian new system of regulation. As we have seen, profits were
rising rapidly after 1933 and this opened attractive future prospects for German corporate management. At first the profits were used to undo the damage done by the Depression. Then from the late 1930s onwards, they financed an extraordinary investment boom such as had never before been seen in German industrial history. What Hitler's regime
positively enabled German business to do was to recover from the disastrous recession, to accumulate capital and to engage in highpressure development of certain key technologies: the technologies necessary to achieve the regime's twin objectives of increased selfsufficiency (autarchy) and rearmament.

[madner]

A evo ti Hitlerovih principa i citata:


We are Socialists, we are enemies of the capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.

For the folk-community does not exist on the fictitious value of money but on the results of productive labour, which is what gives money its value.

Basically National Socialism and Marxism are the same.

National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with the democratic order.

THE COMMON INTEREST BEFORE SELF-INTEREST -
THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF THE PROGRAM. BREAKING OF THE THRALDOM OF INTEREST - THAT IS THE KERNEL OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM

Dakle na jednoj strani realnost NS ekonomije, na drugoj citati.

Imas li neki izvor za ove tvrdnje, osim Sindlerove liste odakle si izvukao prve lekcije?

[Stoner]

Druze ti si nesto debelo pomjesao. Govorimo o 1933 ne o 1944. Nije bilo hiljade ljudi kojima se nije nista isplacivalo.

To je tacno no covjek je bio kapitalista.
Masovnih zaposljavanja u javnom sektoru nije bilo, osim u vojsci. No to je bilo sasvim u skladu sa tadasnjom teorijom poticanja rasta a Njemacka vojska premala za velicinu drzave.

Ti jednostavno ne znaš šta je kapitalizam. Eno ti gore citata Hitlera lično, osim ako ti ne znaš bolje od njega koji su njegova uvjerenja.

No opet da pustimo citate da kazu sta misle

However, in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the S A, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events.

Socijalizam nije planska ekonomija.

Furthermore, though it is important to do justice to the shift in power relations between the state and business that undoubtedly occurred in the early 1930s, we must be careful to avoid falling into the trap of viewing German business merely as the passive object of the regime's draconian new system of regulation. As we have seen, profits were
rising rapidly after 1933 and this opened attractive future prospects for German corporate management. At first the profits were used to undo the damage done by the Depression. Then from the late 1930s onwards, they financed an extraordinary investment boom such as had never before been seen in German industrial history. What Hitler's regime
positively enabled German business to do was to recover from the disastrous recession, to accumulate capital and to engage in highpressure development of certain key technologies: the technologies necessary to achieve the regime's twin objectives of increased selfsufficiency (autarchy) and rearmament.

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Eto , tu ti piše da je Naci Njemačka bila socijalističko-korporatistička diktatura. Korporacije u uskoj vezi sa državom. Kao i Jugoslavija.
Sad skontaj zašto kapitalisti traže ograničenu vlast, zašto zagovaraju minimalnu državu.

Al' kažem ti, moraš prvo naučiti šta su kapitalizam i socijalizam koji zagovaraš. Tek onda ćemo raspravljati.

[Stoner]

Dakle na jednoj strani realnost NS ekonomije, na drugoj citati.

Imas li neki izvor za ove tvrdnje, osim Sindlerove liste odakle si izvukao prve lekcije?

Pa ta realnost nije kapitalizam, ne mogu ti to objasniti kad ne znaš pta je kapitalizam.
Uostalom imaš Mein Kampf gdje sve lijepo piše. Ti citati gore su poprilično poznati i lako je naći izvor ili na youtube sami govor.