Imam jedno pitanje u vezi zakona Saudijske arabije.....
Na pokretanje teme ponukao me ovaj tekst:
http://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/saudi ... /140402133
Novi zakoni su doneseni kako bi se ta zemlja suprotstavila sve većem broju stanovnika Saudijske Arabije koji napuštaju zemlju s ciljem učestvovanja u ratu u Siriji, a koji se u domovinu vraćaju s idejom o svrgavanju monarhije.
Prvi član pomenutog zakona definiše terorizam kao "poziv na ateizam u bilo kojoj formi ili dovođenje u pitanje osnova islamske religija na kojoj je zemlja utemeljena".
Predstavnici međunarodne organizacije Human Rights Watch izjavili su da nove odredbe u vezi s "terorizmom" sadrže jezik koji tužitelji i sudije već koriste kako bi osuđivali nezavisne aktiviste i miroljubive disidente.
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Ima li iko tekst ovog zakona, jel iko pročitao ovaj zakon, ima li iko prijevod ovog zakona sa arapskog na engleski ili bosanski ?
Pitanje u vezi zakona Saudijske arabije ?
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Saudi Arabia has officially identified atheists as terrorists in sweeping new laws that threaten up to 20 years in prison for almost any criticism of the government or Islam.
The regulations place secular citizens who commit thought crimes in the same category as violent terrorist groups such as Al-Qaeda's Yemen branch and Saudi Hezbollah.
Under the new decree by King Abdullah, Saudi Arabia will jail for up to 20 years anyone who fights in conflicts abroad - an apparent move to deter Saudis from joining rebels in Syria.
But the law also applies to any Saudi citizen or a foreigner residing in the kingdom that 'calls for atheist thought in any form or calls into question the fundamentals of the Islamic religion on which this country is based.'
The laws have been denounced by human rights groups for making no distinction between religious expression and violent extremism.
'Saudi authorities have never tolerated criticism of their policies, but these recent laws and regulations turn almost any critical expression or independent association into crimes of terrorism,' said Joe Stork, deputy Middle East and North Africa director at Human Rights Watch.
The counter-terrorism measure have also been mocked by Al Qaeda's Yemen branch which said they would not deter the Islamist group's fighters and that they proved the kingdom was in the pay of the United States.
In an online statement, Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) also said Riyadh's designation of the Muslim Brotherhood - a group whose political wings have contested elections in several countries - as a terrorist organisation proved that secular authorities would never tolerate Islamist groups.
More...
American reporter who posted controversial images of Saudi Royal family during Obama's visit becomes Twitter sensation in repressive Middle Eastern state
AQAP, seen as one of the most dangerous Al Qaeda branches after it plotted attacks on international airliners, is thought to have several hundred Saudi militants fighting alongside Yemeni counterparts against the government in Sanaa.
On Feb 3, Saudi Arabia announced tougher punishments for Saudis seeking to join Islamist militant groups abroad and on March 7 the interior ministry designated a number of groups, including the Brotherhood, as terrorist organisations.
In the group's first public response to the measures, senior AQAP official Ibrahim al-Rubaysh said of the Saudi authorities in an audio tape posted online: 'Their employers are the White House.' He added that Riyadh appeared to consider the U.S. authorities as 'gods.'
Jail threat: The laws will treat non-believers much like terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda (above) +2
Jail threat: The laws will treat non-believers much like terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda (above)
Addressing pro-government Muslim preachers in Saudi Arabia, Rubaysh said: 'You are more American than the Americans themselves.'
Under the new measures, Saudi Arabia will jail for up to 20 years any citizen who fights in conflicts abroad - an apparent move to deter Saudis from joining rebels in Syria and then posing a security risk once they return home.
Saudi Arabia's Islamic religious authorities have spoken out against Saudi fighters going to Syria, but the Interior Ministry estimates that around 1,200 Saudis have gone nonetheless.
Riyadh fears returning fighters will target the ruling Al Saud royal family - as happened after the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
An appeal contained in the counter-terrorism measures for fighters to turn themselves in had not been answered, Rubaysh said, adding that this showed 'there is no weight on the hearts of the mujahideen (holy warriors)'.
Saudi authorities also fear the Muslim Brotherhood, whose Sunni Islamist doctrines challenge the Saudi principle of dynastic rule, has tried to build support inside the kingdom since the Arab Spring revolutions.
In Egypt, the Brotherhood, which won every election after the toppling of veteran leader Hosni Mubarak in 2011, has been driven underground since the army deposed President Mohamed Mursi, a member of the group which also suffered repression in the Mubarak era.
Rubaysh said the listing of the Brotherhood as a terrorist group sent 'a message for all groups who are softening their processes and abandoning some of their principles' that they would never be accepted by the 'heads of disbelief'.
'Heads of disbelief' is a phrase used by al Qaeda to indicate secular or pro-Western authorities.
'It is required to stand firm unto death if we desire the satisfaction of Allah,' Rubaysh said.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2xlCgClNk
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Saudi Arabia has introduced a series of new laws which define atheists as terrorists, according to a report from Human Rights Watch.
In a string of royal decrees and an overarching new piece of legislation to deal with terrorism generally, the Saudi King Abdullah has clamped down on all forms of political dissent and protests that could "harm public order".
The new laws have largely been brought in to combat the growing number of Saudis travelling to take part in the civil war in Syria, who have previously returned with newfound training and ideas about overthrowing the monarchy.
To that end, King Abdullah issued Royal Decree 44, which criminalises "participating in hostilities outside the kingdom" with prison sentences of between three and 20 years, Human Rights Watch said.
Yet last month further regulations were issued by the Saudi interior ministry, identifying a broad list of groups which the government considers to be terrorist organisations - including the Muslim Brotherhood.
Article one of the new provisions defines terrorism as "calling for atheist thought in any form, or calling into question the fundamentals of the Islamic religion on which this country is based".
Joe Stork, deputy Middle East and North Africa director of Human Rights Watch, said: "Saudi authorities have never tolerated criticism of their policies, but these recent laws and regulations turn almost any critical expression or independent association into crimes of terrorism.
"These regulations dash any hope that King Abdullah intends to open a space for peaceful dissent or independent groups," Mr Stork said.
Human Rights Watch said the new regulations were also a setback to campaigns for the protection and release of a number of prominent human rights activists currently jailed in Saudi Arabia. It said Waleed Abu al-Khair and Mikhlif al-Shammari recently lost appeals and will soon begin three-month and five-year respective sentences for criticizing Saudi authorities.
The organisation said the new "terrorism" provisions contain language that prosecutors and judges are already using to prosecute and convict independent activists and peaceful dissidents.
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http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/03/20/saud ... ult-rights
These “terrorism” provisions include the following:
Article 1: “Calling for atheist thought in any form, or calling into question the fundamentals of the Islamic religion on which this country is based.”
Article 2: “Anyone who throws away their loyalty to the country’s rulers, or who swears allegiance to any party, organization, current [of thought], group, or individual inside or outside [the kingdom].”
Article 4: “Anyone who aids [“terrorist”] organizations, groups, currents [of thought], associations, or parties, or demonstrates affiliation with them, or sympathy with them, or promotes them, or holds meetings under their umbrella, either inside or outside the kingdom; this includes participation in audio, written, or visual media; social media in its audio, written, or visual forms; internet websites; or circulating their contents in any form, or using slogans of these groups and currents [of thought], or any symbols which point to support or sympathy with them.”
Article 6: “Contact or correspondence with any groups, currents [of thought], or individuals hostile to the kingdom.”
Article 8: “Seeking to shake the social fabric or national cohesion, or calling, participating, promoting, or inciting sit-ins, protests, meetings, or group statements in any form, or anyone who harms the unity or stability of the kingdom by any means.”
Article 9: “Attending conferences, seminars, or meetings inside or outside [the kingdom] targeting the security of society, or sowing discord in society.”
Article 11: “Inciting or making countries, committees, or international organizations antagonistic to the kingdom.”
Houston we have a problem......
Član 11.
Poticanje ili stvaranje antagonističkog stava prema kraljevini u drugim državama, komitetima ili međunarodnim organizacijama.....
Dok imovina dolazi ok je da idu samo riječi hvale,
međutim,
kada imovina presuši nastati će problem.....
Krenuti će i kritike, a sa kritikama se treba obračunati, pa nakon toga odmah ide nasilje i raste podrška pobunjenicima i tako dalje i tako dalje......
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Član 9. tzv. kontraobavještajna borba - već postoji u mnogim društvima iako u ovakvim situacijama mora dokazati da je cilj sijanje nereda ili narušavanje sigurnosti u društvu - najbolje je ne ići na ikakve seminare i ne družiti se sa bilo kim ???? ....
Član 8. tzv. Protivpravno djelovanje, narušavanje javnog reda i mira - postoji u mnogim društvima...
Član 6. tzv. borba protiv vanjskog neprijatelja i prevencija stvaranja unutrašnjeg neprijatelja,
Član 4. direktna povezanost sa bilo kakvim grupama, opasno kada se poveže sa članom 11. tzv. samoubilačkim članom,
Član 2. Opet kontraobavještajna borba,
Član 1. u Aspektu države unutar koje je Mekka i Medina - sa moje strane potpuno razumljivo i nije uopšte toliko značajno za raspravu, posebno ako se uzme u obzir da porijeklo šerijatkog zakona, Kuran kao izvor i sve u toj kombinaciji.....
Svijet bi se više trebao pozabaviti članom 11. a ne članom 1.
Član 11. je poguban i za samog kralja i za monarhiju - svaki savjetnik ili bliski saradnik koji se argumentovano suprotstavi hijerarhijskom vrhu (onom iznad sebe u hijerarhiji) može biti optužen za kršenje člana 11. svaka kritika pa i najbenignija i eto potencijala za problem ?
The regulations place secular citizens who commit thought crimes in the same category as violent terrorist groups such as Al-Qaeda's Yemen branch and Saudi Hezbollah.
Under the new decree by King Abdullah, Saudi Arabia will jail for up to 20 years anyone who fights in conflicts abroad - an apparent move to deter Saudis from joining rebels in Syria.
But the law also applies to any Saudi citizen or a foreigner residing in the kingdom that 'calls for atheist thought in any form or calls into question the fundamentals of the Islamic religion on which this country is based.'
The laws have been denounced by human rights groups for making no distinction between religious expression and violent extremism.
'Saudi authorities have never tolerated criticism of their policies, but these recent laws and regulations turn almost any critical expression or independent association into crimes of terrorism,' said Joe Stork, deputy Middle East and North Africa director at Human Rights Watch.
The counter-terrorism measure have also been mocked by Al Qaeda's Yemen branch which said they would not deter the Islamist group's fighters and that they proved the kingdom was in the pay of the United States.
In an online statement, Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) also said Riyadh's designation of the Muslim Brotherhood - a group whose political wings have contested elections in several countries - as a terrorist organisation proved that secular authorities would never tolerate Islamist groups.
More...
American reporter who posted controversial images of Saudi Royal family during Obama's visit becomes Twitter sensation in repressive Middle Eastern state
AQAP, seen as one of the most dangerous Al Qaeda branches after it plotted attacks on international airliners, is thought to have several hundred Saudi militants fighting alongside Yemeni counterparts against the government in Sanaa.
On Feb 3, Saudi Arabia announced tougher punishments for Saudis seeking to join Islamist militant groups abroad and on March 7 the interior ministry designated a number of groups, including the Brotherhood, as terrorist organisations.
In the group's first public response to the measures, senior AQAP official Ibrahim al-Rubaysh said of the Saudi authorities in an audio tape posted online: 'Their employers are the White House.' He added that Riyadh appeared to consider the U.S. authorities as 'gods.'
Jail threat: The laws will treat non-believers much like terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda (above) +2
Jail threat: The laws will treat non-believers much like terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda (above)
Addressing pro-government Muslim preachers in Saudi Arabia, Rubaysh said: 'You are more American than the Americans themselves.'
Under the new measures, Saudi Arabia will jail for up to 20 years any citizen who fights in conflicts abroad - an apparent move to deter Saudis from joining rebels in Syria and then posing a security risk once they return home.
Saudi Arabia's Islamic religious authorities have spoken out against Saudi fighters going to Syria, but the Interior Ministry estimates that around 1,200 Saudis have gone nonetheless.
Riyadh fears returning fighters will target the ruling Al Saud royal family - as happened after the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
An appeal contained in the counter-terrorism measures for fighters to turn themselves in had not been answered, Rubaysh said, adding that this showed 'there is no weight on the hearts of the mujahideen (holy warriors)'.
Saudi authorities also fear the Muslim Brotherhood, whose Sunni Islamist doctrines challenge the Saudi principle of dynastic rule, has tried to build support inside the kingdom since the Arab Spring revolutions.
In Egypt, the Brotherhood, which won every election after the toppling of veteran leader Hosni Mubarak in 2011, has been driven underground since the army deposed President Mohamed Mursi, a member of the group which also suffered repression in the Mubarak era.
Rubaysh said the listing of the Brotherhood as a terrorist group sent 'a message for all groups who are softening their processes and abandoning some of their principles' that they would never be accepted by the 'heads of disbelief'.
'Heads of disbelief' is a phrase used by al Qaeda to indicate secular or pro-Western authorities.
'It is required to stand firm unto death if we desire the satisfaction of Allah,' Rubaysh said.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2xlCgClNk
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
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Saudi Arabia has introduced a series of new laws which define atheists as terrorists, according to a report from Human Rights Watch.
In a string of royal decrees and an overarching new piece of legislation to deal with terrorism generally, the Saudi King Abdullah has clamped down on all forms of political dissent and protests that could "harm public order".
The new laws have largely been brought in to combat the growing number of Saudis travelling to take part in the civil war in Syria, who have previously returned with newfound training and ideas about overthrowing the monarchy.
To that end, King Abdullah issued Royal Decree 44, which criminalises "participating in hostilities outside the kingdom" with prison sentences of between three and 20 years, Human Rights Watch said.
Yet last month further regulations were issued by the Saudi interior ministry, identifying a broad list of groups which the government considers to be terrorist organisations - including the Muslim Brotherhood.
Article one of the new provisions defines terrorism as "calling for atheist thought in any form, or calling into question the fundamentals of the Islamic religion on which this country is based".
Joe Stork, deputy Middle East and North Africa director of Human Rights Watch, said: "Saudi authorities have never tolerated criticism of their policies, but these recent laws and regulations turn almost any critical expression or independent association into crimes of terrorism.
"These regulations dash any hope that King Abdullah intends to open a space for peaceful dissent or independent groups," Mr Stork said.
Human Rights Watch said the new regulations were also a setback to campaigns for the protection and release of a number of prominent human rights activists currently jailed in Saudi Arabia. It said Waleed Abu al-Khair and Mikhlif al-Shammari recently lost appeals and will soon begin three-month and five-year respective sentences for criticizing Saudi authorities.
The organisation said the new "terrorism" provisions contain language that prosecutors and judges are already using to prosecute and convict independent activists and peaceful dissidents.
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http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/03/20/saud ... ult-rights
These “terrorism” provisions include the following:
Article 1: “Calling for atheist thought in any form, or calling into question the fundamentals of the Islamic religion on which this country is based.”
Article 2: “Anyone who throws away their loyalty to the country’s rulers, or who swears allegiance to any party, organization, current [of thought], group, or individual inside or outside [the kingdom].”
Article 4: “Anyone who aids [“terrorist”] organizations, groups, currents [of thought], associations, or parties, or demonstrates affiliation with them, or sympathy with them, or promotes them, or holds meetings under their umbrella, either inside or outside the kingdom; this includes participation in audio, written, or visual media; social media in its audio, written, or visual forms; internet websites; or circulating their contents in any form, or using slogans of these groups and currents [of thought], or any symbols which point to support or sympathy with them.”
Article 6: “Contact or correspondence with any groups, currents [of thought], or individuals hostile to the kingdom.”
Article 8: “Seeking to shake the social fabric or national cohesion, or calling, participating, promoting, or inciting sit-ins, protests, meetings, or group statements in any form, or anyone who harms the unity or stability of the kingdom by any means.”
Article 9: “Attending conferences, seminars, or meetings inside or outside [the kingdom] targeting the security of society, or sowing discord in society.”
Article 11: “Inciting or making countries, committees, or international organizations antagonistic to the kingdom.”
Houston we have a problem......
Član 11.
Poticanje ili stvaranje antagonističkog stava prema kraljevini u drugim državama, komitetima ili međunarodnim organizacijama.....
Dok imovina dolazi ok je da idu samo riječi hvale,
međutim,
kada imovina presuši nastati će problem.....
Krenuti će i kritike, a sa kritikama se treba obračunati, pa nakon toga odmah ide nasilje i raste podrška pobunjenicima i tako dalje i tako dalje......
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Član 9. tzv. kontraobavještajna borba - već postoji u mnogim društvima iako u ovakvim situacijama mora dokazati da je cilj sijanje nereda ili narušavanje sigurnosti u društvu - najbolje je ne ići na ikakve seminare i ne družiti se sa bilo kim ???? ....
Član 8. tzv. Protivpravno djelovanje, narušavanje javnog reda i mira - postoji u mnogim društvima...
Član 6. tzv. borba protiv vanjskog neprijatelja i prevencija stvaranja unutrašnjeg neprijatelja,
Član 4. direktna povezanost sa bilo kakvim grupama, opasno kada se poveže sa članom 11. tzv. samoubilačkim članom,
Član 2. Opet kontraobavještajna borba,
Član 1. u Aspektu države unutar koje je Mekka i Medina - sa moje strane potpuno razumljivo i nije uopšte toliko značajno za raspravu, posebno ako se uzme u obzir da porijeklo šerijatkog zakona, Kuran kao izvor i sve u toj kombinaciji.....
Svijet bi se više trebao pozabaviti članom 11. a ne članom 1.
Član 11. je poguban i za samog kralja i za monarhiju - svaki savjetnik ili bliski saradnik koji se argumentovano suprotstavi hijerarhijskom vrhu (onom iznad sebe u hijerarhiji) može biti optužen za kršenje člana 11. svaka kritika pa i najbenignija i eto potencijala za problem ?