Osudjenike na radnu akciju?

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#1 Osudjenike na radnu akciju?

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Koliko metara autoputa bi moglo za jedan dan napraviti 3300 kriminalaca?
1, 10, 100, ...?
Mozda bi jedna ovakva radna akcija napokon rijesila jade nasih vlasti i postenim gradjanima konacno napravila autoput?
Entoni Šeperić, portparol Ministarstva pravde FBiH, priznaje da su zatvori u većem entitetu - njih osam od čega je samo jedan zatvorenog tipa onaj u Zenici, puni. Prema njegovim podacima, na čekanju na izdržavanje kazni u FBiH su 1.202 osobe. Kada se tome doda i broj osuđenika u Mostaru, bilo bi ih 1.500. Na izdržavanju kazni ih je 1.800.
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#2 Re: Osudjenike na radnu akciju?

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to bi bilo genijalno ;)
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#3 Re: Osudjenike na radnu akciju?

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Jeste, a kako bi ih natjerali da stvarno rade?
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Zgrade za smjestaj osudjenika na Golom otoku su sagradili sami osudjenici. Zar to isto nije ne bi bilo moguce uraditi i sada?
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Sve sve, ali Entoni :D
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legendo_moja wrote:Jeste, a kako bi ih natjerali da stvarno rade?
Dodjelom udarnickih znacki istaknutim radnicima, cija bi dodjela ujedno znacila i smanjenje kazne.
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Ko i obicno, nema potrebe izmisljati toplu vodu
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/may20 ... -m08.shtml
There are presently 80,000 inmates in the US employed in commercial activity, some earning as little as 21 cents an hour. The US government program Federal Prison Industries (FPI) currently employs 21,000 inmates, an increase of 14 percent in the last two years alone. FPI inmates make a wide variety of products—such as clothing, file cabinets, electronic equipment and military helmets—which are sold to federal agencies and private companies. FPI sales are $600 million annually and rising, with over $37 million in profits.

In addition, during the last 20 years more than 30 states have passed laws permitting the use of convict labor by commercial enterprises. These programs now exist in 36 states.

Prisoners now manufacture everything from blue jeans, to auto parts, to electronics and furniture. Honda has paid inmates $2 an hour for doing the same work an auto worker would get paid $20 to $30 an hour to do. Konica has used prisoners to repair copiers for less than 50 cents an hour. Toys R Us used prisoners to restock shelves, and Microsoft to pack and ship software. Clothing made in California and Oregon prisons competes so successfully with apparel made in Latin America and Asia that it is exported to other countries.

Inmates are also employed in a wide variety of service jobs as well. TWA has used prisoners to handle reservations, while AT&T has used prison labor for telemarketing. In Oregon, prisoners do all the data entry and record keeping in the Secretary of State's corporation division. Other jobs include desktop publishing, digital mapping and computer-aided design work.

US employers have pointed to the tight labor market for their interest in employing prisoners. But the other advantages, though not stated publicly, are obvious. The prison system can provide an “ideal” workforce: employers do not have to pay health or unemployment insurance, vacation time, sick leave or overtime. They can hire, fire or reassign inmates as they so desire, and can pay the workers as little as 21 cents an hour. The inmates cannot respond with a strike, file a grievance, or threaten to leave and get a better job.
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VjecitiStudent wrote:Zgrade za smjestaj osudjenika na Golom otoku su sagradili sami osudjenici. Zar to isto nije ne bi bilo moguce uraditi i sada?
Nema više "kundak u glavu" i "bubrezi kroz nos" metoda. A drugačije je stoku nemoguće natjerati da radi.
Ko bi išao negdje u Hercegovinu crnčiti na +40 kad može ostati u svom krevetu u zatvoru?
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legendo_moja wrote:
VjecitiStudent wrote:Zgrade za smjestaj osudjenika na Golom otoku su sagradili sami osudjenici. Zar to isto nije ne bi bilo moguce uraditi i sada?
Nema više "kundak u glavu" i "bubrezi kroz nos" metoda. A drugačije je stoku nemoguće natjerati da radi.
Ko bi išao negdje u Hercegovinu crnčiti na +40 kad može ostati u svom krevetu u zatvoru?
Demokratije su vec smislile rjesenje
Prisoners who refuse to work under these conditions are labeled “uncooperative” and risk losing time off for “good behavior,” as well as privileges such as library access and recreation.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/may20 ... -m08.shtml
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VjecitiStudent wrote:
Demokratije su vec smislile rjesenje
Prisoners who refuse to work under these conditions are labeled “uncooperative” and risk losing time off for “good behavior,” as well as privileges such as library access and recreation.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/may20 ... -m08.shtml
Interesantno. Kod nas bi im mogli ukidati slobodne vikende kao kaznu za nerad :)

Teoretski, nije to loša ideja, ali mislim da je kod nas u praksi apsolutno neizvodiva bez gore spomenutih metoda koje uključuju kundak i bubrege.
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In 1994, Oregon residents voted overwhelmingly for a constitutional amendment mandating that all prisoners work 40 hours a week.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/may20 ... -m08.shtml
Ako je Oregon u USA to mogao napraviti 1994., zasto ne bi mogli i mi?
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legendo_moja wrote:Jeste, a kako bi ih natjerali da stvarno rade?
Strahom.
in33sa wrote:Sve sve, ali Entoni :D
Nemoj ga, bas mu je ime fajn :D
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#13 Re: Osudjenike na radnu akciju?

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vec bi neko naplatio taj njihov besplatan rad :D
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aha....... napravili bi put odavde do tamo, poznavajući naše institucije pohapali bi i rovokopače i asfalt................ :D
omladinska radna brigada ( udarna ) KP dom Zenica 2009 :lol: :lol:
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#15 Re: Osudjenike na radnu akciju?

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Ma već mi je par puta ovo padalo na um, a stvarno zašto ne napravit i nešto ovako? Ja nešto smatram da je današnje odsluživanje kazne i previše komformno.
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Ma extra!

Svaka cast za ideju :thumbup: Vec vidim Tasima kako sakama lomi kamenje za autoput 8-)
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Demokratije imaju jos rjesenja, kao npr. privatni zatvori.
In 1997, the Tennessee AFL-CIO supported proposals to privatize the state's prison system, having struck a deal with Corrections Corporation of America (CCA) to represent the workers. Private, for-profit prisons such as those run by CCA and Wackenhut have become the modern-day version of the nineteenth century leased prisons. Brutal treatment of prisoners is commonplace, as the for-profit entrepreneurs seek to reduce the expense of food and housing in order to add to the profits from running commercial industries.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/may20 ... -m08.shtml
Zamislite samo koja bi tek jagma bila za dionicama hipotetickog preduzeca "Zatvor" DOO, preduzeca koje bi imalo nepresusan izvor radne snage. :D
Takodjer, naci potencijalnog investitora uopste ne bi bio problem, svakako su vec dobro uvjezbali metode na obicnoj raji. :(
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Fordas wrote:Ma extra!

Svaka cast za ideju :thumbup: Vec vidim Tasima kako sakama lomi kamenje za autoput 8-)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Do suza!!!!!!

Super ideja!!!! Podrzavam!!!! :D :D :D :D
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Cak, sta vise....kakav nam je kadar po zatvorima (direktori, vozaci, utjerivaci, zavarivaci....) ne bilo problema
da se autoput zavrsi prije roka! Mislim, imamo sve sto nam treba za ovako slozen projekat!! :D :D :D :D :D
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Kako ih natjerati da rade.......lijepo brate,imaju samice pa kad odstoji u njojzi 10 dana ima da pita jel treba još kopat il pukla kranpa de daj mi molim te novu........pitajte one koji su bili na golom otoku il u lepoglavi kako boga mole da rade poslije samice.
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#21 Re: Osudjenike na radnu akciju?

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Prisoners who refuse to work under these conditions are labeled “uncooperative” and risk losing time off for “good behavior,” as well as privileges such as library access and recreation.

Ja mislim da bi Tasim sam radio koliko deset zatvorenika samo da mu ne uskrate pristup bibiloteci. Stoka načitana... :roll:
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Uvjetovati hranu time da moraju raditi. U protivnom, samo koricu hljeba, cisto da ne pocrkaju. :)
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Zamislite tek ovaj trio na izgradnji autoputa ...

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Stavise, Bicakcicu bi se konacno pruzila prilika da ostvari svoj san, jer kao premijer nije stigao dalje od temeljca :D
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Ridjobrki wrote:
Prisoners who refuse to work under these conditions are labeled “uncooperative” and risk losing time off for “good behavior,” as well as privileges such as library access and recreation.

Ja mislim da bi Tasim sam radio koliko deset zatvorenika samo da mu ne uskrate pristup bibiloteci. Stoka načitana... :roll:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Znate sta, ideje su fantasticne,

usput sam se ismijala do suza, joj narode moj, mislim da nas humor donekle spasava, to je psiholoska barijera da covjek ne poludi kad ga zatrpaju grozote, onda on pokusava da smijehom otjera od sebe crne misli da se u stvari smije sam sebi i cudi se sto je ziv i normalan, koliko toliko.

To je ta negativna intencija prema sebi, prisutna u svakom covjeku latentno i ispoljava se u krajnje stresnim i po zivot opasnim situacijama. Ljudi koji su prezivjeli konc logore u drugom svetskom ratu svjedoce o tome da ih je cesto od smrti spasavao upravo humor, smisao za salu najvise na svoj vlastiti racun i najvise kad su bili neposredno suoceni sa smrcu.

Ako je neko procitao knjigu "Zasto se niste ubili" od Viktora Ericha Frankla znace o cemu je rijec.

Pa nismo mi bosanci puni viceva o sebi samima bez razloga. Smijuci se i sprdajuci se na svoj racun, cuvamo dusevno zdravlje da ne puknemo tek tako naprasno.

Gdje je granica nase podnosljivosti i pitam se postoji li ta granica. Do sada sudeci, ja je ne vidim!
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