opet ta Amerika
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#76
Nije taj tekst o tebi.
Taj tekst je o nama. Generalno. Balkancima. Kojima je sve u osjecaju a vrlo malo u glavi i samosvjesti o samom sebi i o drugima.
Ti si mi samo dala povod. Nista drugo.
Taj tekst je o nama. Generalno. Balkancima. Kojima je sve u osjecaju a vrlo malo u glavi i samosvjesti o samom sebi i o drugima.
Ti si mi samo dala povod. Nista drugo.
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mamica papucarka
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#77
generaliziranje
hajd ziv bio, budi pozdravljen
hajd ziv bio, budi pozdravljen
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Svemirski_Jebach
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#78
Nosferatu, moje iskrene cestitke na ovom vrlo pametnom postu. Potpisujem. I dva puta sam procitao.Nosferatu wrote:Ti ne stajes ni u ciju odbranu.
Znas sto?
Jebe se tebi za djecom. Eto ti ih u Becu, meta su politickih prepucavanja i onaninije besposlenih politicara - koji su mnogo ucinili kad su ti rasvjetlili istoriju Deda Mraza u 16 razlicitih karaktera koji dolaze na 16 razlicitih dana sa 16 razlicitih poklona i 16 razlicitih namjera. Sta si to ti uradila da ih zastitis? Nista, jos si izabrala stranu i ko koka - ugnjezdila se u svom ubjedenju - da je tudje kukavcijije jaje - upravo tvoj plod mogucnosti rasclanjenja i donosenja kristalno jasnog suda o tome - "A 'ca je ta Amerika?"
Ne, ne radi se o tome.
Radi se o tvome mentalitetu - koji je predstavljen naslovom - "Opet ta Amerika!".
O tome se radi. Jer tebi ako je stalo do dijeteta - nije bitno jel se ovo desilo u Americi il' u Sierra Leonu - valjda se nebi diskutovalo o tome DA SE JE DESILO U AMERICI, vec o tome - sta se je desilo - i osudi istog toga. Al' sama cinjenica da ti je bitno - nalaze da ti mislis - da se SAMO i OPET u toj Americi - desava nesto sto uopste nije vrijedno ni price, ni diskusije. Ova vijest - je glupost takvog kalibra da je mozda lokalne vijesti nece zabiljeziti al' eto - tebi je tako upecatljivog karaktera - da si cak morala dnevnu dozu pu, pu, pu po Americi - da i na Sa-x prebacis, nadajuci se kako ce te pomilovati par dezunrih kontrasa - koji o Americi vec imaju svoj "sud" - kao da je Amerika - nesto u sta se moze uperiti prstom, nije to ni Konjic ni Jablanica da mozes reci bio sam 2 puta, zivjeo 2 mjeseca, bio u 2 kafane, upozno 2 Amerikanca, ja ZNAM sta je Amerika i Amerika je TO.
Amerika je sve - i nije nista. Amerika je i Bosna i Austrija i Njemacka i Malezija, i Kurdistan, i onda opet Amerika, ona je od - beskonacno do +beskonacno i na kraju kad saberes i oduzmes - dobijes 0. Sto samo moze blecku da onda znaci - da je Amerika 0. Jer ne fercera na njoj - jednostavna tablica ni oduzimanja ni sabiranja ni mnozenja ni djeljenja. Ova je zemlja - najzajebaniji integral. Onaj sa Matematicke Olimpijade, koji ako zna rijesiti - zna samo par ljudi, a i kad dodju do odgovora - kakav je da je - ispravan je samo za njih i taj odgovor za sebe cuvaju a ne pokusavaju drugom dokazati da su to kao oni - ko biva - vanserijska pamet koja je iznimno u pravu.
Najveca greska je o Americi - imati misljenje koje se ne dozvoljava ni kojom silom promjeniti i misliti - da je Amerika nesto staticno. Ovo je dinamicno i fludino drustvo, ono sto je vrijedilo prije 10 godina danas ne vrijedi, ono sto danas vrijedi nece za 10 godina. Dolaziti i praviti sudove - je notorna glupost kojoj su skloni samo zecici i misici sto im se zivot svodi na testimonije novinarskog karaktera, jedno Svapskog Avaza il' Oslobodenja - koji gradi na "ofiranju" drugih stav svoje naprednosti i supeirornosti.
I za kraj. Amerika niti se voli niti se mrzi. Amerika se koristi. To je ko cekic u garazi kad imas. Jel ti volis cekic ili ga mrzis? Ni jedno ni drugo. Jel volis il' mrzis sarafciger? Ni jedno ni drugo. Prilagodjavas se Halatu i iz njega svome Zanatu i odatle onda - ides svojim stazama Revolucije. A, ako ti se ne svidja - Halat - a ti ides kod drugog majstora u mehanu da mu budes segrt. I kad mu dodje u mehanu, ne pljujes po onom Halatu jer je Halat mnogo manje faktor, a covjek koji ga koristi - mnogo veci u toj cijeloj formuli - da kad govoris da negdje nesto ne valja - moras prvo krenuti od toga jesi li ti valjao - i da li ti generalno valjas, i to ne po sospstvenom misljenju vec po onome sto je iza tebe ostavljeno i za druge napravljeno - pa onda krenes suditi o Halatima i Zanatima i Mehanama i Kafanam i Majstorima.
Sve si im rekao, od onoga sto koriste "vijesti" kao sto je ova da malo blate ameriku, pa do koristenja medijskog sunda da se pokaze kako su oni u austriji ili holandiji eto bolji.
Mentalitet slabijeg(u ekonomskom, politickom ili vojnom smislu), onoga koji zavidi onom jacem pa u nedostatku bilo cega drugog loristi jeftine folove seoskih mutikasa, lola i dzabalebarosa da "sukne" tome kome zavidi time sto eto, mozda ste vi jaci i mozda imate vise love i mozda ko zna sto al ste vi truhli, vidi sta vam se desava, djecu od 4 godine bla bla bla...
Dobro ti je Nosferatu rekao, boli tebe za tom djecom jer da je drugacije, naslov bi bio "Monstruozne optuzbe" ili "Sramota za obdaniste" bla bla bla...a ne "opet ta amerika". Vrlo jetino od tebe i od drugih.
A da dodam, citava ova vasa hajka me podsjeca na one komunisticke floskole o "truhlom zapadu", kako je tamo sve "droga, sida, otudjenje" i slicno a kod nas med i mlijeko dok samo jedan dan ne poklase narod u Bijeljini a ovi jos uvijek o truhlom zapadu. ma bjaaaazite
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#80
Branimo svoju zemlju.black wrote:kamo srece da ovakvim zarom branite svoju zemlju...
U njoj je 1 od 10 Bosanaca na svijetu. Sto je cini vise mojom zemljom od RS-a.
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#81
Nosferatu wrote:Ti ne stajes ni u ciju odbranu.
Znas sto?
Jebe se tebi za djecom. Eto ti ih u Becu, meta su politickih prepucavanja i onaninije besposlenih politicara - koji su mnogo ucinili kad su ti rasvjetlili istoriju Deda Mraza u 16 razlicitih karaktera koji dolaze na 16 razlicitih dana sa 16 razlicitih poklona i 16 razlicitih namjera. Sta si to ti uradila da ih zastitis? Nista, jos si izabrala stranu i ko koka - ugnjezdila se u svom ubjedenju - da je tudje kukavcijije jaje - upravo tvoj plod mogucnosti rasclanjenja i donosenja kristalno jasnog suda o tome - "A 'ca je ta Amerika?"
Ne, ne radi se o tome.
Radi se o tvome mentalitetu - koji je predstavljen naslovom - "Opet ta Amerika!".
O tome se radi. Jer tebi ako je stalo do dijeteta - nije bitno jel se ovo desilo u Americi il' u Sierra Leonu - valjda se nebi diskutovalo o tome DA SE JE DESILO U AMERICI, vec o tome - sta se je desilo - i osudi istog toga. Al' sama cinjenica da ti je bitno - nalaze da ti mislis - da se SAMO i OPET u toj Americi - desava nesto sto uopste nije vrijedno ni price, ni diskusije. Ova vijest - je glupost takvog kalibra da je mozda lokalne vijesti nece zabiljeziti al' eto - tebi je tako upecatljivog karaktera - da si cak morala dnevnu dozu pu, pu, pu po Americi - da i na Sa-x prebacis, nadajuci se kako ce te pomilovati par dezunrih kontrasa - koji o Americi vec imaju svoj "sud" - kao da je Amerika - nesto u sta se moze uperiti prstom, nije to ni Konjic ni Jablanica da mozes reci bio sam 2 puta, zivjeo 2 mjeseca, bio u 2 kafane, upozno 2 Amerikanca, ja ZNAM sta je Amerika i Amerika je TO.
Amerika je sve - i nije nista. Amerika je i Bosna i Austrija i Njemacka i Malezija, i Kurdistan, i onda opet Amerika, ona je od - beskonacno do +beskonacno i na kraju kad saberes i oduzmes - dobijes 0. Sto samo moze blecku da onda znaci - da je Amerika 0. Jer ne fercera na njoj - jednostavna tablica ni oduzimanja ni sabiranja ni mnozenja ni djeljenja. Ova je zemlja - najzajebaniji integral. Onaj sa Matematicke Olimpijade, koji ako zna rijesiti - zna samo par ljudi, a i kad dodju do odgovora - kakav je da je - ispravan je samo za njih i taj odgovor za sebe cuvaju a ne pokusavaju drugom dokazati da su to kao oni - ko biva - vanserijska pamet koja je iznimno u pravu.
Najveca greska je o Americi - imati misljenje koje se ne dozvoljava ni kojom silom promjeniti i misliti - da je Amerika nesto staticno. Ovo je dinamicno i fludino drustvo, ono sto je vrijedilo prije 10 godina danas ne vrijedi, ono sto danas vrijedi nece za 10 godina. Dolaziti i praviti sudove - je notorna glupost kojoj su skloni samo zecici i misici sto im se zivot svodi na testimonije novinarskog karaktera, jedno Svapskog Avaza il' Oslobodenja - koji gradi na "ofiranju" drugih stav svoje naprednosti i supeirornosti.
I za kraj. Amerika niti se voli niti se mrzi. Amerika se koristi. To je ko cekic u garazi kad imas. Jel ti volis cekic ili ga mrzis? Ni jedno ni drugo. Jel volis il' mrzis sarafciger? Ni jedno ni drugo. Prilagodjavas se Halatu i iz njega svome Zanatu i odatle onda - ides svojim stazama Revolucije. A, ako ti se ne svidja - Halat - a ti ides kod drugog majstora u mehanu da mu budes segrt. I kad mu dodje u mehanu, ne pljujes po onom Halatu jer je Halat mnogo manje faktor, a covjek koji ga koristi - mnogo veci u toj cijeloj formuli - da kad govoris da negdje nesto ne valja - moras prvo krenuti od toga jesi li ti valjao - i da li ti generalno valjas, i to ne po sospstvenom misljenju vec po onome sto je iza tebe ostavljeno i za druge napravljeno - pa onda krenes suditi o Halatima i Zanatima i Mehanama i Kafanam i Majstorima.
Valjda najbolja stvar koju procitah na forumu dosad. Malo preradi i objavi negdje. Makar na blogu.
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#82
zivim u Americi od 2002e i bezbroj sam puta pokusao objasniti nasoj raji da je to sjajna zemlja, i sto je bitno - prijatelj Bosne.
Sve je to uzalud, tako da mi se sad zivo yebe sta raja u Bosni, Austriji, a i sire, misle o Americi.
Sve je to uzalud, tako da mi se sad zivo yebe sta raja u Bosni, Austriji, a i sire, misle o Americi.
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SherlockHolmes
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#83
Nisu mi jasne sve ove licne optuzbe i "analize", jos manje zamjene teza, etiketiranja, zuc.
Nosferatu, ako ti je ta Amerika zaista cekic ili sarafciger, zasto toliki sastavi, licni napadi i sve ovo? Ja, recimo, se ne bih ni oko traktora ili buldozera ovoliko borio sa (svojim) vjetrenjacama.
Svako ima pravo na misljenje. Sto se ti vrijedjas na svaku o Americi koja ti se ne svidja je prije, ipak, tvoj problem.
Nosferatu, ako ti je ta Amerika zaista cekic ili sarafciger, zasto toliki sastavi, licni napadi i sve ovo? Ja, recimo, se ne bih ni oko traktora ili buldozera ovoliko borio sa (svojim) vjetrenjacama.
Svako ima pravo na misljenje. Sto se ti vrijedjas na svaku o Americi koja ti se ne svidja je prije, ipak, tvoj problem.
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nineac
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#85
Nije amerika sarafciger, u pravu si sherlock. Ali za sve sto nevalja, amerika je kriva. Nemoj te zaboraviti da amerika ima najstariji pisani ustav na svijetu, i da do dan danas daja najveca prava i slobode pojedincu. Zato ta teta moze djete optuziti, ali zato u americi postoji pravusudni sistem koji ce to razrjesiti. Ali uvjek je Amerika kriva za sve!
Pitanje globalizacije-amerika kriva (iako njihove korporacije pogotovo u auto industriji se urusavaju zbog toga), terorizam-amerika kriva, grdjanski rat u sudanu-amerika kriva, studentski neredi u Seoulu-hajmo zapaliti americku zastavu, nezaposlenost u njemackoj-amerika kriva, itd. Amerika je napala Irak zbog nafte? JEST! Zato sto amerika nece nikada dozvoliti da ostane bez rezervi nafte, a to sve evropske zemlje i azijski giganti podrzavaju jer bi ekonomija stala skroz u svim razvijenim zemljama ako bi americka ekonomija stala, i obrnuto. Dok pljujete po toj americi do tada su romanticni Francuzi i elokventni englezi pravili poslove sa Sadamom zbog-nafte!
Stoga ohladite malo od amerike. Kada je njemacka dala nogu nasim izbjeglicama, amerika ih je primila! Nemoj te to nikada zaboraviti!
U ratu smo jeli americke lunch pakete, a ne francuske ili engleske, ili njemacke!
Stoga da me neko pita hipoteticko pitanje: Amerika ili Evropa? UVJEK Amerika!
Pitanje globalizacije-amerika kriva (iako njihove korporacije pogotovo u auto industriji se urusavaju zbog toga), terorizam-amerika kriva, grdjanski rat u sudanu-amerika kriva, studentski neredi u Seoulu-hajmo zapaliti americku zastavu, nezaposlenost u njemackoj-amerika kriva, itd. Amerika je napala Irak zbog nafte? JEST! Zato sto amerika nece nikada dozvoliti da ostane bez rezervi nafte, a to sve evropske zemlje i azijski giganti podrzavaju jer bi ekonomija stala skroz u svim razvijenim zemljama ako bi americka ekonomija stala, i obrnuto. Dok pljujete po toj americi do tada su romanticni Francuzi i elokventni englezi pravili poslove sa Sadamom zbog-nafte!
Stoga ohladite malo od amerike. Kada je njemacka dala nogu nasim izbjeglicama, amerika ih je primila! Nemoj te to nikada zaboraviti!
U ratu smo jeli americke lunch pakete, a ne francuske ili engleske, ili njemacke!
Stoga da me neko pita hipoteticko pitanje: Amerika ili Evropa? UVJEK Amerika!
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Svemirski_Jebach
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#86
Today's the day our younger son
Is going off to war
Fightin' in the age old battle
We've sometimes won before
Flags that line old main street
Are blowin' in the wind
These must be the flags of freedom flyin'
Church bells are ringin'
As the families stand and wave
Some of them are cryin'
But the soldiers look so brave
Lookin' straight ahead
Like they know just where they're goin'
Past the flags of freedom flyin'
Sister has her headphones on
She hears the music blasting
She sees her brother marchin' by
Their bond is everlasting
Listening to Bob Dylan singin' in 1963
Watching the flags of freedom flyin'
She sees the president speakin'
On a Flat-screen TV
In the window of the old appliance store
She turns to see her brother again
But he's already walkin' past
The flags of freedom flyin'
Have you seen the flags of freedom'
What color are they now'
Do you think that you believe in yours
More than they do theirs somehow'
When you see the flags of freedom flyin'
Today's the day our younger son
Is goin' off to war
Fightin' in the age old battle
We've sometimes won before
Flags that line old main street
Are blowin' in the wind
These must be the flags of freedom flyin'

Is going off to war
Fightin' in the age old battle
We've sometimes won before
Flags that line old main street
Are blowin' in the wind
These must be the flags of freedom flyin'
Church bells are ringin'
As the families stand and wave
Some of them are cryin'
But the soldiers look so brave
Lookin' straight ahead
Like they know just where they're goin'
Past the flags of freedom flyin'
Sister has her headphones on
She hears the music blasting
She sees her brother marchin' by
Their bond is everlasting
Listening to Bob Dylan singin' in 1963
Watching the flags of freedom flyin'
She sees the president speakin'
On a Flat-screen TV
In the window of the old appliance store
She turns to see her brother again
But he's already walkin' past
The flags of freedom flyin'
Have you seen the flags of freedom'
What color are they now'
Do you think that you believe in yours
More than they do theirs somehow'
When you see the flags of freedom flyin'
Today's the day our younger son
Is goin' off to war
Fightin' in the age old battle
We've sometimes won before
Flags that line old main street
Are blowin' in the wind
These must be the flags of freedom flyin'
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Svemirski_Jebach
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#87
i jos jedna:
Lookin' for a Leader
To bring our country home
Re-unite the red white and blue
Before it turns to stone
Lookin' for somebody
Young enough to take it on
Clean up the corruption
And make the country strong
Walkin' among our people
There's someone who's straight and strong
To lead us from desolation
And a broken world gone wrong
Someone walks among us
And I hope he hears the call
And maybe it's a woman
Or a black man after all
Yeah maybe it's Obama
But he thinks that he's too young
Maybe it's Colin Powell
To right what he's done wrong
America has a leader
But he's not in the house
He's waling here among us
And we've got to seek him out
Yeah we've got our election
But corruption has a chance
We got to have a clean win
To regain confidence
AMERICA is beautiful
But she has an ugly side
We're lookin' for a leader
In this country far and wide
We're lookin' for a leader
With the great spirit on his side
Someone walks among us
And I hope he hears the call
And maybe it's a woman
Or a black man after all.
Amerika ili Europa? Uvijek Amerika.
Lookin' for a Leader
To bring our country home
Re-unite the red white and blue
Before it turns to stone
Lookin' for somebody
Young enough to take it on
Clean up the corruption
And make the country strong
Walkin' among our people
There's someone who's straight and strong
To lead us from desolation
And a broken world gone wrong
Someone walks among us
And I hope he hears the call
And maybe it's a woman
Or a black man after all
Yeah maybe it's Obama
But he thinks that he's too young
Maybe it's Colin Powell
To right what he's done wrong
America has a leader
But he's not in the house
He's waling here among us
And we've got to seek him out
Yeah we've got our election
But corruption has a chance
We got to have a clean win
To regain confidence
AMERICA is beautiful
But she has an ugly side
We're lookin' for a leader
In this country far and wide
We're lookin' for a leader
With the great spirit on his side
Someone walks among us
And I hope he hears the call
And maybe it's a woman
Or a black man after all.
Amerika ili Europa? Uvijek Amerika.
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#88
Sto bi moja nana rekla Lijepi Flinton 
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Svemirski_Jebach
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#89
I za one koji vole demokratiju - najstariji dokument koji je dao do tada jos nezamisliva prava gradjanima. Deklaracija nezavisnosti.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
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But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. -
ili Prvi amandman na Ustav SAD-a:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excercise thereof; or abrigding the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress or grievances.
A sto se tice onoga da ne branim svoju zemlju toliko, imam veliki prolem s tim jer u pola moje zemlje se slobodno secu ratni zlocinci i pola iste je go stvoreno na genocidu i zlocinu. Nazalost, ja ne mogu braniti ministra vanjskih poslova Mladena Ivanica. Ja cu braniti ono sto se moze braniti al tnikace branit necu.
A zemlju ko zemlju, volim najvise.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
...
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. -
ili Prvi amandman na Ustav SAD-a:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excercise thereof; or abrigding the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress or grievances.
A sto se tice onoga da ne branim svoju zemlju toliko, imam veliki prolem s tim jer u pola moje zemlje se slobodno secu ratni zlocinci i pola iste je go stvoreno na genocidu i zlocinu. Nazalost, ja ne mogu braniti ministra vanjskih poslova Mladena Ivanica. Ja cu braniti ono sto se moze braniti al tnikace branit necu.
A zemlju ko zemlju, volim najvise.
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SherlockHolmes
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#91
nineac, cini mi se da se ne razumijemo najbolje. kao sto rekoh, svako ima pravo na svoje misljenje. ne vidjeh ovdje nikoga ko rece da mu je amerika za sve kriva. uglavnom zbog takvih preuvelicavanja (pa koja god tema bila, amerika, zimbabwe, fk sarajevo ili golf dvica) ne mozemo manje-vise ni ocemu normalno popricati, zezati se, diskutovati, itd, bez licnih uvreda. amerikanci smatraju da ima najstariji pisani ustav, i to je lijepo. da se bogdo vecina amerikanaca drzi onih pozitivnih vrijednosti tog ustava i u americi, a da o vanjskoj politici ne govorimo, sve bi bilo odlicno. ostavimo se, ipak, mrtvih slova na papiru, po njima je i bivsi ddr bio najdemokraticnija drzava na svijetu. usput, da pitas engleze koji je njima najstariji i najvazniji drzavni "charter" na svijetu, vecina bi ih vjerovatno spomenula magna cartu s pocetka trinaestog stoljeca. niti ih to cini pravicnim niti ekskluzivno u pravu, cak ni po tom pitanju.nineac wrote:Nije amerika sarafciger, u pravu si sherlock. Ali za sve sto nevalja, amerika je kriva. Nemoj te zaboraviti da amerika ima najstariji pisani ustav na svijetu, i da do dan danas daja najveca prava i slobode pojedincu. Zato ta teta moze djete optuziti, ali zato u americi postoji pravusudni sistem koji ce to razrjesiti. Ali uvjek je Amerika kriva za sve!
Pitanje globalizacije-amerika kriva (iako njihove korporacije pogotovo u auto industriji se urusavaju zbog toga), terorizam-amerika kriva, grdjanski rat u sudanu-amerika kriva, studentski neredi u Seoulu-hajmo zapaliti americku zastavu, nezaposlenost u njemackoj-amerika kriva, itd. Amerika je napala Irak zbog nafte? JEST! Zato sto amerika nece nikada dozvoliti da ostane bez rezervi nafte, a to sve evropske zemlje i azijski giganti podrzavaju jer bi ekonomija stala skroz u svim razvijenim zemljama ako bi americka ekonomija stala, i obrnuto. Dok pljujete po toj americi do tada su romanticni Francuzi i elokventni englezi pravili poslove sa Sadamom zbog-nafte!
Stoga ohladite malo od amerike. Kada je njemacka dala nogu nasim izbjeglicama, amerika ih je primila! Nemoj te to nikada zaboraviti!
U ratu smo jeli americke lunch pakete, a ne francuske ili engleske, ili njemacke!
Stoga da me neko pita hipoteticko pitanje: Amerika ili Evropa? UVJEK Amerika!
svejedno, svako ima pravo na misljenje i o americi i sta je za njih amerika. sto se lunch paketa tice, hvala im. jeo sam ih i ja, bas kao i raznorazne konzerve, rize, makarone ko zna odakle, iz japana, norveske, danske, njemacke, asutrije, svedske, itd. takodjer, i sam, bas kao i ti, placam nekom slicnu pomoc, ali zbog toga ne ocekujem nekakvu slijepu vjernost i ljubljene stopala, ni meni ni mojoj zemlji ni bilo kom drugom. cak sta vise. zbog toga mi se cini da je taj argument totalno deplasiran. sto se tice sadama i nafte, ne vidjeh da to ko opovrgava ili podrzava, bas kao ni americku "pomoc" tom istom sadamu dok im je valj'o. sve u svemu, nije mi jasan ovoliki "patriotizam". cakstavise, da neko ovako "brani" bih, bosnjake, bosance, srbe ili hrvate odavno bi bio visestruko proglasen fasistom. zato, cemu ovolika suplja?
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nineac
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#92
Sherlock pomenuo sam tebe jer si pomenuo sarafciger, ali sam sam se u postu osvrno na mamicu31 i njeno generalizovanje americkog draustva.
Inace, Americki ustav je NAJSTARIJI vazeci ustav na svijetu. Upravo kada su "founding fathers" napravili drugi charter su ostavili mjesta da se na ustav mogu dodati amandmani ali ne toliko lako da bi se mogao svake godine po 100 amandmana dodalo. Zato danas ustav ima jos uvjek 27 amandmana, od koji je prvih 10 Bill of Rights. Ako pazljvio proucis ustav vidjet ce da je ustav toliko konkretan da nema teorije da neko necija prava prekrsi samo zato sto je crnac, ili azijat, ili musliman. 4, 5, 8,15,19 a pogotovo 14 amandman su jedno od najvecih ostvarenja po pitanju demokratije, i to funkcionise, i nije MRTVO slovo na papiru! Posto je americko pravo precedentno pravo, neke od najvecih odluka ustavnog suda kao sto su Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, Grisswold v. Connecticut, Roe v. Wade, Miranda v. Arizona, Escobedo v. Illionois te jedna od najvaznijih odluka u istoriji SAD Marbury v. Madison, su oblikovali politicki sistem i drustvo kakva je amerika sada.
Ja kao bosanac u americi, sa bosanskim pasosem uzivam ista prava kao americki drzavljanin. Tj. Ustav me stiti kao i americkog drzavljanina. Mnoge zemlje koje sebe nazivaju demokratijama nemoju takvih smejrnica u svom ustavu, ili precedentnim odlukama.
Ono sto sam htio reci sa lunch paketima, a mrsko mi bilo objasnjavati jeste da su amerikanci nama pomagali dok su Miterand i sl hodali po palama i sastajali se sa karadzicem.
I ja volim BiH kao svoju drzavu, ali ja sam u pola te BiH nepozeljan, dok drugi dio BiH nicim nije pokazao da zeli da se izbori za svoje gradjane.
Inace, Americki ustav je NAJSTARIJI vazeci ustav na svijetu. Upravo kada su "founding fathers" napravili drugi charter su ostavili mjesta da se na ustav mogu dodati amandmani ali ne toliko lako da bi se mogao svake godine po 100 amandmana dodalo. Zato danas ustav ima jos uvjek 27 amandmana, od koji je prvih 10 Bill of Rights. Ako pazljvio proucis ustav vidjet ce da je ustav toliko konkretan da nema teorije da neko necija prava prekrsi samo zato sto je crnac, ili azijat, ili musliman. 4, 5, 8,15,19 a pogotovo 14 amandman su jedno od najvecih ostvarenja po pitanju demokratije, i to funkcionise, i nije MRTVO slovo na papiru! Posto je americko pravo precedentno pravo, neke od najvecih odluka ustavnog suda kao sto su Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, Grisswold v. Connecticut, Roe v. Wade, Miranda v. Arizona, Escobedo v. Illionois te jedna od najvaznijih odluka u istoriji SAD Marbury v. Madison, su oblikovali politicki sistem i drustvo kakva je amerika sada.
Ja kao bosanac u americi, sa bosanskim pasosem uzivam ista prava kao americki drzavljanin. Tj. Ustav me stiti kao i americkog drzavljanina. Mnoge zemlje koje sebe nazivaju demokratijama nemoju takvih smejrnica u svom ustavu, ili precedentnim odlukama.
Ono sto sam htio reci sa lunch paketima, a mrsko mi bilo objasnjavati jeste da su amerikanci nama pomagali dok su Miterand i sl hodali po palama i sastajali se sa karadzicem.
I ja volim BiH kao svoju drzavu, ali ja sam u pola te BiH nepozeljan, dok drugi dio BiH nicim nije pokazao da zeli da se izbori za svoje gradjane.
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freak_with_a_laptop
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#93
Sad da vam pokazem prave Amerikance, cestite ljude, ljude koji imaju moral i zrno mozga. Ljude, koji su u Americi rodjeni, legalni zastupnici te drzave, na razliku od vas, koji ste GOSTI.
I razlog, zasto Ameriku donekle cijenim, to je radi njih, a ni slucajno radi vas. Vi ste nam docarali sliku Amerike sto nemoze biti gora. Svjesna sam ja pozitivni a i negativni strana - ali ta zemlja i nije bas tako crna, kao vi, bosanski magarci.
"America has an almost obscene infatuation with itself. Has there ever been a big, powerful country that is as patriotic as America? And patriotic in the tinniest way, with so much flag waving? You'd really think we were some poor little republic, and that if one person lost his religion for one hour, the whole thing would crumble. America is the real religion in this country." -- Norman Mailer
"They control culture. They control ideas. And I think the revolt of September 11th was about ‘F-- you! F-- your order." -- Oliver Stone on American corporations
"In this time when a citizenry applauds the liberation of a country as it lives in fear of its own freedom...when people all over the country fear reprisal if they use their right to free speech, it is time to get angry. It is time to get fierce." -- Tim Robbins
"We have a president for whom English is a second language. He's like 'We have to get rid of dictators,' but he's pretty much one himself." -- Robin Williams
"It is an embarrassing time to be an American. It really is. It's humiliating." -- Jessica Lange
"Just so you know, we're ashamed that the president of the United States is from Texas." -- Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks at a concert in London
"Don’t you want to know what’s real and what’s not? I remember when I was a kid, you know, this whole Cold War thing. They had us scared of the Russians. 'The Russians, the Russians, the Russians.' So it’s almost like what’s real and what’s not?” -- Queen Latifah
"I just think we are a little bit of an arrogant nation and maybe this is a little bit of a humbling experience ... what has our government done to provoke (9/11) that we don't know about?" -- Backstreet Boy Kevin Richardson
"The WTC was not just an architectural monstrosity, but also terrible for people who didn't work there, for it said to all those people: 'If you can't work up here, boy, you're out of it.' That's why I'm sure that if those towers had been destroyed without loss of life, a lot of people would have cheered. Everything wrong with America led to the point where the country built that tower of Babel, which consequently had to be destroyed. And then came the next shock. We had to realize that the people that did this were brilliant. It showed that the ego we could hold up until September 10 was inadequate." -- Norman Mailer
"America has never paid any attention to other people, so it's absurd for Bush to say that it's all in the best interests of the Iraqi people." -- Richard Gere
"Let's get rid of all the economic (expletive) this country represents! Bring it on, I hope the Muslims win!" -- Chrissie Hynde of The Pretenders
"America doesn't have the moral right to tell other people what to do. To say the whole world has to fall into line is you-know-what. I hope more people will rise up." -- Spike Lee
"I don't know if a country (America) where the people are so ignorant of reality and of history, if you can call that a free world." -- Jane Fonda
...I'm saying that we (Americans) have sunk pretty low and I'm saying that you can look at the moral climate in Germany in 1933. We have to ask ourselves if we found ourselves in Nazi Germany, what would we do. Now I say, let the inspection process take its course." -- David Clennon, star of the hit CBS television series "The Agency,"
"What can I say? I hate Bush; I despise him and his entire administration, everything he represents and everything he has tried to do, not only internationally, which is horrific, but domestically as well. In my country the atmosphere is poisoned. Unbreathable for those of us who are not on the right. So thank you for inviting me to this festival and allowing me to leave there for a few days." -- Jessica Lange
"You can't beat your enemy anymore through wars; instead you create an entire generation of people revenge-seeking. These days it only matters who's in charge. Right now that's us -- for a while at least. Our opponents are going to resort to car bombs and suicide attacks because they have no other way to win. ...I believe (Rumsfeld) thinks this is a war that can be won, but there is no such thing anymore. We can't beat anyone anymore." -- George Clooney
"This (Iraq) is a manufactured conflict for the sake of geopolitical dominance in the area." -- Janeane Garofalo
"(W)hen Communist U.S.S.R. was a superpower, the world was better off. The right-wing media is trying to marginalize the peace movement." -- Janeane Garofalo
"I think war is based in greed and there are huge karmic retributions that will follow. I think war is never the answer to solving any problems. The best way to solve problems is to not have enemies." -- Sheryl Crow
I think the U.S. is terrifying and it saddens me. You only have to look at the state of affairs in America. I do worry about my children. As a parent you are always concerned...I just want them to be in a place where they are going to be strong enough to be able to make the right choices. Unfortunately we're in a position where people are so irresponsible that human life holds so little value to them. -- Tom Cruise explains why he wants his kids to be raised in Australia instead of America
"I'm saying that the moral climate within the ruling class in this country is not that different from the moral climate within the ruling class of Hitler's Germany." -- David Clennon, star of the hit CBS television series "The Agency,"
"I think America has no experience with terrorism or even with war. In Europe, we know a little bit more about these things." -- Bono
"The real terrorist threats are George W. Bush and his band of brown-shirted thugs." -- Sandra Bernhard
"When I see an American flag flying, it's a joke." -- Robert Altman
"I not only think that they (U.S. leaders) are misguided, but I think they know exactly what they are doing and I think that they are men who are possessed of evil." -- Harry Belafonte
"I believe - though I may wrong because I am no expert - that this war is about what most wars are about: hegemony, money, power and oil." -- Dustin Hoffman
"This is a racist and imperialist war. The warmongers who stole the White House (you call them "hawks", but I would never disparage such a fine bird) have hijacked a nation's grief and turned it into a perpetual war on any non-white country they choose to describe as terrorist." -- Woody Harrelson
"Yes, (Bush is a) racist. We all knew that but the world is only finding it out now. As Texas's governor, Bush led a penitentiary system that executed more people than all the other U.S. states together. And most of the people who died from (the) death penalty were Afro-Americans or Hispanics. (Bush) promoted a Conservative program, designed to eliminate everything Americans had accomplished so far in matters of race and equality." -- Danny Glover
I razlog, zasto Ameriku donekle cijenim, to je radi njih, a ni slucajno radi vas. Vi ste nam docarali sliku Amerike sto nemoze biti gora. Svjesna sam ja pozitivni a i negativni strana - ali ta zemlja i nije bas tako crna, kao vi, bosanski magarci.
"America has an almost obscene infatuation with itself. Has there ever been a big, powerful country that is as patriotic as America? And patriotic in the tinniest way, with so much flag waving? You'd really think we were some poor little republic, and that if one person lost his religion for one hour, the whole thing would crumble. America is the real religion in this country." -- Norman Mailer
"They control culture. They control ideas. And I think the revolt of September 11th was about ‘F-- you! F-- your order." -- Oliver Stone on American corporations
"In this time when a citizenry applauds the liberation of a country as it lives in fear of its own freedom...when people all over the country fear reprisal if they use their right to free speech, it is time to get angry. It is time to get fierce." -- Tim Robbins
"We have a president for whom English is a second language. He's like 'We have to get rid of dictators,' but he's pretty much one himself." -- Robin Williams
"It is an embarrassing time to be an American. It really is. It's humiliating." -- Jessica Lange
"Just so you know, we're ashamed that the president of the United States is from Texas." -- Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks at a concert in London
"Don’t you want to know what’s real and what’s not? I remember when I was a kid, you know, this whole Cold War thing. They had us scared of the Russians. 'The Russians, the Russians, the Russians.' So it’s almost like what’s real and what’s not?” -- Queen Latifah
"I just think we are a little bit of an arrogant nation and maybe this is a little bit of a humbling experience ... what has our government done to provoke (9/11) that we don't know about?" -- Backstreet Boy Kevin Richardson
"The WTC was not just an architectural monstrosity, but also terrible for people who didn't work there, for it said to all those people: 'If you can't work up here, boy, you're out of it.' That's why I'm sure that if those towers had been destroyed without loss of life, a lot of people would have cheered. Everything wrong with America led to the point where the country built that tower of Babel, which consequently had to be destroyed. And then came the next shock. We had to realize that the people that did this were brilliant. It showed that the ego we could hold up until September 10 was inadequate." -- Norman Mailer
"America has never paid any attention to other people, so it's absurd for Bush to say that it's all in the best interests of the Iraqi people." -- Richard Gere
"Let's get rid of all the economic (expletive) this country represents! Bring it on, I hope the Muslims win!" -- Chrissie Hynde of The Pretenders
"America doesn't have the moral right to tell other people what to do. To say the whole world has to fall into line is you-know-what. I hope more people will rise up." -- Spike Lee
"I don't know if a country (America) where the people are so ignorant of reality and of history, if you can call that a free world." -- Jane Fonda
...I'm saying that we (Americans) have sunk pretty low and I'm saying that you can look at the moral climate in Germany in 1933. We have to ask ourselves if we found ourselves in Nazi Germany, what would we do. Now I say, let the inspection process take its course." -- David Clennon, star of the hit CBS television series "The Agency,"
"What can I say? I hate Bush; I despise him and his entire administration, everything he represents and everything he has tried to do, not only internationally, which is horrific, but domestically as well. In my country the atmosphere is poisoned. Unbreathable for those of us who are not on the right. So thank you for inviting me to this festival and allowing me to leave there for a few days." -- Jessica Lange
"You can't beat your enemy anymore through wars; instead you create an entire generation of people revenge-seeking. These days it only matters who's in charge. Right now that's us -- for a while at least. Our opponents are going to resort to car bombs and suicide attacks because they have no other way to win. ...I believe (Rumsfeld) thinks this is a war that can be won, but there is no such thing anymore. We can't beat anyone anymore." -- George Clooney
"This (Iraq) is a manufactured conflict for the sake of geopolitical dominance in the area." -- Janeane Garofalo
"(W)hen Communist U.S.S.R. was a superpower, the world was better off. The right-wing media is trying to marginalize the peace movement." -- Janeane Garofalo
"I think war is based in greed and there are huge karmic retributions that will follow. I think war is never the answer to solving any problems. The best way to solve problems is to not have enemies." -- Sheryl Crow
I think the U.S. is terrifying and it saddens me. You only have to look at the state of affairs in America. I do worry about my children. As a parent you are always concerned...I just want them to be in a place where they are going to be strong enough to be able to make the right choices. Unfortunately we're in a position where people are so irresponsible that human life holds so little value to them. -- Tom Cruise explains why he wants his kids to be raised in Australia instead of America
"I'm saying that the moral climate within the ruling class in this country is not that different from the moral climate within the ruling class of Hitler's Germany." -- David Clennon, star of the hit CBS television series "The Agency,"
"I think America has no experience with terrorism or even with war. In Europe, we know a little bit more about these things." -- Bono
"The real terrorist threats are George W. Bush and his band of brown-shirted thugs." -- Sandra Bernhard
"When I see an American flag flying, it's a joke." -- Robert Altman
"I not only think that they (U.S. leaders) are misguided, but I think they know exactly what they are doing and I think that they are men who are possessed of evil." -- Harry Belafonte
"I believe - though I may wrong because I am no expert - that this war is about what most wars are about: hegemony, money, power and oil." -- Dustin Hoffman
"This is a racist and imperialist war. The warmongers who stole the White House (you call them "hawks", but I would never disparage such a fine bird) have hijacked a nation's grief and turned it into a perpetual war on any non-white country they choose to describe as terrorist." -- Woody Harrelson
"Yes, (Bush is a) racist. We all knew that but the world is only finding it out now. As Texas's governor, Bush led a penitentiary system that executed more people than all the other U.S. states together. And most of the people who died from (the) death penalty were Afro-Americans or Hispanics. (Bush) promoted a Conservative program, designed to eliminate everything Americans had accomplished so far in matters of race and equality." -- Danny Glover
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nineac
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#94
A sto se tice privrzenosti, nisam ja privrzen americi, niti ljubim njima stopala. Opet cu ti ponoviti, da mi neko postavi HIPOTETICKO pitanje, ja bi uvjek odabrao ameriku, jer Evropa je pokazala koliko je ljigava kroz istoriju. Amerikanci su suradjivali sa sadamom 80-tih, ali isto tako su i ti evropljani suradjivali sa sadamom, kao i ex-yu, koja im je dilala oruzje. Sada kada je to "bratstvo" puklo amerikanci su zaguzvali 1991 uz pomoc evropskih saveznika, i kada je sve stalo, Emglezi i Francuzi su nastaili da posluju sa sadamom. Od amerike znas sta mozes ocekivati, dok od francuske i sl nikad neznas.
Nisam ja privrzen americi, ali vala ovdje je rijec o tome kako je eto amerika degenerativno drusto, dok eto "stara kurva" evropa je olicje morala i etike!
Mamice pitanje za tebe! Sto nisi postavila prosle sedmice post "opet ta holandija?"
Nisam ja privrzen americi, ali vala ovdje je rijec o tome kako je eto amerika degenerativno drusto, dok eto "stara kurva" evropa je olicje morala i etike!
Mamice pitanje za tebe! Sto nisi postavila prosle sedmice post "opet ta holandija?"
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nineac
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#95
Bravo freak!
Poenta i jeste sto se u americi za vrlo kratko vrijeme stvori kriticna masa ljudi koja ce reagovati na situaciju u kojoj je sada amerika.
Zato izbori u 2008 pripadaju demokratama, tj. Hillary ili Obama.
Mozda McCain i uleti, ali ce svoje stavove morati donekle obraditi jer amerika trenutno ide lagano u lijevo.
To i jeste poenta americkog drustva i sistema "check and balances" jednostavno, mozes ici donekle, ali neces do kraja. Zato su republikanci izgubili vecinu u kongresu, i zato ce izgubiti predsjednicke izbore jer je Bush izgubio i ono malo smisla za realnost!
Medjutim mi negovorimo o Bushu, za kojeg i ptice na grani znaju da je debil, nego o obicnoj americi, koja kao sto ti rece ima i mana a i prednosti, kao doduse svaka drzava na svijetu.
Poenta i jeste sto se u americi za vrlo kratko vrijeme stvori kriticna masa ljudi koja ce reagovati na situaciju u kojoj je sada amerika.
Zato izbori u 2008 pripadaju demokratama, tj. Hillary ili Obama.
Mozda McCain i uleti, ali ce svoje stavove morati donekle obraditi jer amerika trenutno ide lagano u lijevo.
To i jeste poenta americkog drustva i sistema "check and balances" jednostavno, mozes ici donekle, ali neces do kraja. Zato su republikanci izgubili vecinu u kongresu, i zato ce izgubiti predsjednicke izbore jer je Bush izgubio i ono malo smisla za realnost!
Medjutim mi negovorimo o Bushu, za kojeg i ptice na grani znaju da je debil, nego o obicnoj americi, koja kao sto ti rece ima i mana a i prednosti, kao doduse svaka drzava na svijetu.
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freak_with_a_laptop
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#97
Procitaj izjave, nisu iskljucivo vezane za Irak, ni za administraciju Busha.nineac wrote:Bravo freak!
Poenta i jeste sto se u americi za vrlo kratko vrijeme stvori kriticna masa ljudi koja ce reagovati na situaciju u kojoj je sada amerika.
Zato izbori u 2008 pripadaju demokratama, tj. Hillary ili Obama.
Mozda McCain i uleti, ali ce svoje stavove morati donekle obraditi jer amerika trenutno ide lagano u lijevo.
To i jeste poenta americkog drustva i sistema "check and balances" jednostavno, mozes ici donekle, ali neces do kraja. Zato su republikanci izgubili vecinu u kongresu, i zato ce izgubiti predsjednicke izbore jer je Bush izgubio i ono malo smisla za realnost!
Medjutim mi negovorimo o Bushu, za kojeg i ptice na grani znaju da je debil, nego o obicnoj americi, koja kao sto ti rece ima i mana a i prednosti, kao doduse svaka drzava na svijetu.
"The WTC was not just an architectural monstrosity, but also terrible for people who didn't work there, for it said to all those people: 'If you can't work up here, boy, you're out of it.' That's why I'm sure that if those towers had been destroyed without loss of life, a lot of people would have cheered. Everything wrong with America led to the point where the country built that tower of Babel, which consequently had to be destroyed."
Ovo je bolest Amerike i mnogi su to shvatili, bar oni jesu, kojima je stalo do te zemlje, jer im je domovina. Jedino nasi slijepci nisu, jer ne zele to da vide, prodali su se za popisani postdiplomski ili za 10.000 $. Fuj.
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EI Presidente
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#99
Ako te shvatam, tvoje misljenje je da su neboderi trebali biti unisteni jer su predstavljali nekakvu najgoru stranu Amerike, samo zali Boze ljudi? I ovo je, po tebi, stav "normalnih" Amera koji su spoznali "bolest" Amerike?freak_with_a_laptop wrote:Procitaj izjave, nisu iskljucivo vezane za Irak, ni za administraciju Busha.nineac wrote:Bravo freak!
Poenta i jeste sto se u americi za vrlo kratko vrijeme stvori kriticna masa ljudi koja ce reagovati na situaciju u kojoj je sada amerika.
Zato izbori u 2008 pripadaju demokratama, tj. Hillary ili Obama.
Mozda McCain i uleti, ali ce svoje stavove morati donekle obraditi jer amerika trenutno ide lagano u lijevo.
To i jeste poenta americkog drustva i sistema "check and balances" jednostavno, mozes ici donekle, ali neces do kraja. Zato su republikanci izgubili vecinu u kongresu, i zato ce izgubiti predsjednicke izbore jer je Bush izgubio i ono malo smisla za realnost!
Medjutim mi negovorimo o Bushu, za kojeg i ptice na grani znaju da je debil, nego o obicnoj americi, koja kao sto ti rece ima i mana a i prednosti, kao doduse svaka drzava na svijetu.
"The WTC was not just an architectural monstrosity, but also terrible for people who didn't work there, for it said to all those people: 'If you can't work up here, boy, you're out of it.' That's why I'm sure that if those towers had been destroyed without loss of life, a lot of people would have cheered. Everything wrong with America led to the point where the country built that tower of Babel, which consequently had to be destroyed."
Ovo je bolest Amerike i mnogi su to shvatili, bar oni jesu, kojima je stalo do te zemlje, jer im je domovina. Jedino nasi slijepci nisu, jer ne zele to da vide, prodali su se za popisani postdiplomski ili za 10.000 $. Fuj.
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nineac
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Ispade freak znaci da u drugim zemljama je drugacije!
Znaci samo u ameirci vlada kapitalizam. Jeste da je u americi kapitalizam najizrazeniji, ali jel to samo oni ljude odvajaju po visini prihoda, ili to se desava svugdje, a pogotovo kod nas u BiH gdje nemas uopce srednju klasu?
Pa de mi reci sto su se ljudi prodali? Sta je to po tebi prodaja? Imati priliku dobiti vrhunsko obrazovanje, i raditi za normalnu platu, ili dobiti ispodprosjecno obrazovanje i traziti posao do besvjesti, a kada ga dobijes raditi za crkavicu od 400-500km.
S druge strane, u americi je naspram evrope lakse za nase ljude da zavrse fakultete, i bar koliko sam ja vidio kako je u evropi medju nasim ljudima i ovdje, ovdje ih dosta vise studira i imaju generalno vise mogucnosti.
Ono sto znam jeste, da te u americi prihvate vrlo brzo, i niko ti negovori da si gradjanin drugog reda (naravno ima izuzetaka) samo zato sto si iz BiH ili neke druge zemlje. U Austriji ili Njemackoj ces uvjek biti stranac, pa makar ti zlatan pasos dali!
Znaci samo u ameirci vlada kapitalizam. Jeste da je u americi kapitalizam najizrazeniji, ali jel to samo oni ljude odvajaju po visini prihoda, ili to se desava svugdje, a pogotovo kod nas u BiH gdje nemas uopce srednju klasu?
Pa de mi reci sto su se ljudi prodali? Sta je to po tebi prodaja? Imati priliku dobiti vrhunsko obrazovanje, i raditi za normalnu platu, ili dobiti ispodprosjecno obrazovanje i traziti posao do besvjesti, a kada ga dobijes raditi za crkavicu od 400-500km.
S druge strane, u americi je naspram evrope lakse za nase ljude da zavrse fakultete, i bar koliko sam ja vidio kako je u evropi medju nasim ljudima i ovdje, ovdje ih dosta vise studira i imaju generalno vise mogucnosti.
Ono sto znam jeste, da te u americi prihvate vrlo brzo, i niko ti negovori da si gradjanin drugog reda (naravno ima izuzetaka) samo zato sto si iz BiH ili neke druge zemlje. U Austriji ili Njemackoj ces uvjek biti stranac, pa makar ti zlatan pasos dali!
