Oboren ruski bombarder SU-24!?

[jefff]

Tension high on Turkey-Syria border since 2012

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A Turkish F-16 fighter jet takes off from Incirlik airbase in the southern city of Adana, Turkey, in this July 27, 2015 file picture. REUTERS Photo

A Turkish F-16 fighter jet takes off from Incirlik airbase in the southern city of Adana, Turkey, in this July 27, 2015 file picture. REUTERS Photo
Turkey downed a Russian-made fighter jet due to an airspace violation on the morning of Nov. 24, but tension on Turkey’s border with Syria has been high since 2012, when Syria downed a Turkish jet leading to the death of two pilots.

Tension on the border started when an unarmed Turkish military plane conducting a test mission was shot down by Syria on June 22, 2012. Turkey claimed that the plane was shot down in international airspace with a laser- or heat-guided missile; Syria, however, said they shot the plane down with anti-aircraft guns as the plane flew within Syrian airspace at an altitude of 100 meters.

According to radar traces provided by the chief of Turkish General Staff, the Turkish F-4 jet was downed 13 nautical miles off the Syrian coast in international waters but crashed in Syrian territorial waters. The graphics showed the Turkish jet had unintentionally violated Syrian airspace at 11:42 a.m. for five minutes, only 16 minutes before contact was lost with the jet. At 11:44 a.m. Turkish radars informed the jet that it had entered Syrian airspace and told it to leave as soon as possible.

Syrian foreign ministry spokesman Jihad Makdissi said the shooting of the plane was an accident.

“What happened was an accident and not an assault as some like to say, because the plane was shot while it was in Syrian airspace and flew over Syrian territorial waters,” Makdissi said June 24, 2012.

Turkey adopted strict rules of engagement in 2012 after the F-4 incident, announcing that it would consider any naval, air or land vehicles approaching Turkish territory from Syria as a threat.

The air dispute also effected the situation on land on the Turkish-Syria border starting October 2012, when Syrian regime forces initially fired shells at a village close to the border in Turkey’s Hatay province, killing five Turkish civilians. Syrian shells continued to hit border villages throughout October 2012.

On Oct. 4, 2012, the Turkish parliament passed a motion allowing the military to conduct cross-border raids into Syria.

Around one-and-a-half years later, Turkey said its fighter jets shot down a Syrian jet on March 23, 2014, after it had crossed into Turkish airspace and warned the Syrian regime of a “heavy response” if its airspace was violated again.

The Turkish Armed Forces (TSK) said Turkish radars detected two Syrian MIG-23s approaching Turkish airspace at 1:00 p.m. local time on March 23, 2014, and warned the pilots to their approach towards the Turkish border four times. One of the jets changed its route and returned to Syria, but the other flew into Turkish airspace for nearly 1.5 kilometers, the TSK said. The pilot was able to eject before the jet was downed in Syrian territory.

On May 16, Turkey announced that a Turkish F-16 jet shot down a Syrian helicopter violating its airspace, while Syrian state TV reported that it was a surveillance drone that was downed.

On Oct. 3, Turkish military sources said a Russian SU-30 breached Turkish airspace for hundreds of meters in the southern district of Yayladağı in the Hatay province for two minutes at 12:10 p.m., but returned to Syrian airspace after one warning.

After the airspace violation, Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu said Turkey had warned Russia in order to prevent repeat violations, stressing that Russian authorities had assured Turkey that the Oct. 3 violation was unintentional and future mistakes would not be made.

On Oct. 16, Turkish jets shot down an “unmanned aerial vehicle” inside Turkish airspace near the Syrian border, the Turkish military said in a written statement, which fell on Turkish soil.

Turkish General Staff said the vehicle had been warned three times before a Turkish aircraft on a patrol mission on the border fired and shot down the vehicle within the rules of engagement.

A U.S. official told Reuters that Washington believed the drone was of Russian origin. The Russian Defense Ministry, however, said all of its planes in Syria had safely returned to base and all its drones were operating “as planned.”

On Nov. 11, Pentagon Press Secretary Peter Cook said the first six 12 U.S. Air Force F-15 jet fighters had arrived at Adana’s İncirlik Air Base to conduct combat air patrols and secure the sovereignty of Turkish airspace, at the request of its government.

On Nov. 19, Turkish Foreign Ministry summoned the Russian ambassador to Turkey over a bombing attack targeting Turkmen villages in northwestern Syria.

Following a Syria-themed security meeting on Nov. 22, Davutoğlu said Turkey was following the situation in Bayırbucak, the region where Syria’s Turkmens live, closely and underlined Turkey’s border safety as a number one priority.

“If there is a development that threatens Turkey regarding border security, we have given our security forces the instruction to respond immediately,” Davutoğlu said on Nov. 22.

November/24/2015

[sjedi 1]

Inače, Rusija ukoliko bude odlučila da se sveti Turkmenima u Siriji, kao i Turskoj, uz onoliki broj muslimana u RF, od Tatara do raznih etničkih grupacija Kavkaza koji etnički gravitiraju onom turkijskom, morat će pravo dosta naroda pobit i mjesta sravnit sa zemljom, onda sjever Sirije neće biti ništa

Ma svetit ce se Turkmenima samo u Siriji.

Turkmeni su jos jucer pozvali Tursku da pomogne

http://www.basnews.com/index.php/en/news/244947

Turci nisu puno cekali.

Vec sada novinari iz Sirije prenose da Rusi nemilosrdno granatiraju turkmenska sela teskom artiljerijom. Izgovor ce biti da su im ubili pilote.

A samo su im navukli na guzicu.Rusi neće smjeti udariti na Tursku(sad za sad) a da bi se kao osvetili satraće ove Turkmene
Ja ne mogu da vjerujem šta rade jedni drugima(Turci i Rusi)

[Drvosjeca iz Dejcica]

Tension high on Turkey-Syria border since 2012

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A Turkish F-16 fighter jet takes off from Incirlik airbase in the southern city of Adana, Turkey, in this July 27, 2015 file picture. REUTERS Photo

A Turkish F-16 fighter jet takes off from Incirlik airbase in the southern city of Adana, Turkey, in this July 27, 2015 file picture. REUTERS Photo
Turkey downed a Russian-made fighter jet due to an airspace violation on the morning of Nov. 24, but tension on Turkey’s border with Syria has been high since 2012, when Syria downed a Turkish jet leading to the death of two pilots.

Tension on the border started when an unarmed Turkish military plane conducting a test mission was shot down by Syria on June 22, 2012. Turkey claimed that the plane was shot down in international airspace with a laser- or heat-guided missile; Syria, however, said they shot the plane down with anti-aircraft guns as the plane flew within Syrian airspace at an altitude of 100 meters.

According to radar traces provided by the chief of Turkish General Staff, the Turkish F-4 jet was downed 13 nautical miles off the Syrian coast in international waters but crashed in Syrian territorial waters. The graphics showed the Turkish jet had unintentionally violated Syrian airspace at 11:42 a.m. for five minutes, only 16 minutes before contact was lost with the jet. At 11:44 a.m. Turkish radars informed the jet that it had entered Syrian airspace and told it to leave as soon as possible.

Syrian foreign ministry spokesman Jihad Makdissi said the shooting of the plane was an accident.

“What happened was an accident and not an assault as some like to say, because the plane was shot while it was in Syrian airspace and flew over Syrian territorial waters,” Makdissi said June 24, 2012.

Turkey adopted strict rules of engagement in 2012 after the F-4 incident, announcing that it would consider any naval, air or land vehicles approaching Turkish territory from Syria as a threat.

The air dispute also effected the situation on land on the Turkish-Syria border starting October 2012, when Syrian regime forces initially fired shells at a village close to the border in Turkey’s Hatay province, killing five Turkish civilians. Syrian shells continued to hit border villages throughout October 2012.

On Oct. 4, 2012, the Turkish parliament passed a motion allowing the military to conduct cross-border raids into Syria.

Around one-and-a-half years later, Turkey said its fighter jets shot down a Syrian jet on March 23, 2014, after it had crossed into Turkish airspace and warned the Syrian regime of a “heavy response” if its airspace was violated again.

The Turkish Armed Forces (TSK) said Turkish radars detected two Syrian MIG-23s approaching Turkish airspace at 1:00 p.m. local time on March 23, 2014, and warned the pilots to their approach towards the Turkish border four times. One of the jets changed its route and returned to Syria, but the other flew into Turkish airspace for nearly 1.5 kilometers, the TSK said. The pilot was able to eject before the jet was downed in Syrian territory.

On May 16, Turkey announced that a Turkish F-16 jet shot down a Syrian helicopter violating its airspace, while Syrian state TV reported that it was a surveillance drone that was downed.

On Oct. 3, Turkish military sources said a Russian SU-30 breached Turkish airspace for hundreds of meters in the southern district of Yayladağı in the Hatay province for two minutes at 12:10 p.m., but returned to Syrian airspace after one warning.

After the airspace violation, Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu said Turkey had warned Russia in order to prevent repeat violations, stressing that Russian authorities had assured Turkey that the Oct. 3 violation was unintentional and future mistakes would not be made.

On Oct. 16, Turkish jets shot down an “unmanned aerial vehicle” inside Turkish airspace near the Syrian border, the Turkish military said in a written statement, which fell on Turkish soil.

Turkish General Staff said the vehicle had been warned three times before a Turkish aircraft on a patrol mission on the border fired and shot down the vehicle within the rules of engagement.

A U.S. official told Reuters that Washington believed the drone was of Russian origin. The Russian Defense Ministry, however, said all of its planes in Syria had safely returned to base and all its drones were operating “as planned.”

On Nov. 11, Pentagon Press Secretary Peter Cook said the first six 12 U.S. Air Force F-15 jet fighters had arrived at Adana’s İncirlik Air Base to conduct combat air patrols and secure the sovereignty of Turkish airspace, at the request of its government.

On Nov. 19, Turkish Foreign Ministry summoned the Russian ambassador to Turkey over a bombing attack targeting Turkmen villages in northwestern Syria.

Following a Syria-themed security meeting on Nov. 22, Davutoğlu said Turkey was following the situation in Bayırbucak, the region where Syria’s Turkmens live, closely and underlined Turkey’s border safety as a number one priority.

“If there is a development that threatens Turkey regarding border security, we have given our security forces the instruction to respond immediately,” Davutoğlu said on Nov. 22.

November/24/2015

Ovo je dobro da se vidi analogija da ovo obaranje nije došlo tek tako kao grom iz vedra neba kako to Putin i pudlice žele predstaviti. Pa dokle više majka mu stara, ljudima prekipilo, pilot F16 dobio naredbu "fire free"...ostalo je istorija.

[KB9]

sta ti je rec ekonomija

[zivco]

I nikakve potrebe nema da se NATO mijesa u eventualni sukob Rusa i Turaka sem materijalno pomagajuci. Sto je otkinuo Krim od Ukrajine kad ne moze kroz Bosfor? Nije valjda toliko glup da se upusta u oruzani sukob sa Turskom, nit je nesto znacajno jaci sa sukob vecih razmjera (ne mislim samo na vojnu snagu, vec i na ekonomske gubitke koji bi bili katastrofalni za Rusiju u slucaju kakvog veceg sukoba). Zadavili bi ga sankcijama, a da teleportira10 miliona vojnika na teritorij Turske, ovi bi digli 20 da se brane. Takvi ratovi su danas ipak nemoguci.

[iway]

Cuj Kikija megasvjetskog stratega, NATO nece reagovati.

NATO je već reagovao posredstvom Turske. I ranije su Rusi upadali u njihov zračni prostor, NATO se oglasio da to ne rade više i sad kad su bili minut vremena u turskom zračnom prostoru i dobili su što su trebali. Pitanje je sada da li će Rusija reagovati. NATO sigurno neće jer je njihova članica odradila svoj dio posla.

[Freamon Lester]

I nikakve potrebe nema da se NATO mijesa u eventualni sukob Rusa i Turaka sem materijalno pomagajuci. Sto je otkinuo Krim od Ukrajine kad ne moze kroz Bosfor? Nije valjda toliko glup da se upusta u oruzani sukob sa Turskom, nit je nesto znacajno jaci sa sukob vecih razmjera (ne mislim samo na vojnu snagu, vec i na ekonomske gubitke koji bi bili katastrofalni za Rusiju u slucaju kakvog veceg sukoba). Zadavili bi ga sankcijama, a da teleportira10 miliona vojnika na teritorij Turske, ovi bi digli 20 da se brane. Takvi ratovi su danas ipak nemoguci.

Zato imamo proxy ratove. Nasa raja protiv vase raje... pa ko koga. A sve ce da se odvija u Siriji..

[Ali Kemal]

Sasvim je logicno da ce Kurdi sada dobiti pomoc od Rusije
I trebaju dobiti svoju drzavu, toliki narod bez drzave.

Kao što je logično da onoliki narodi u rusiji trebaju dobiti samostalnost, recimo Čečeni, i turci će im svakako pomoći u tome.

Čečena je sve skupa milion i trista tisuca, a Kurda 20-tak miliona.
Mene samo interesuje zasto tebi smeta da Kurdi imaju svoju drzavu?

Sasvim je logicno da ce Kurdi sada dobiti pomoc od Rusije
I trebaju dobiti svoju drzavu, toliki narod bez drzave.

Pomoc od Rusije bi znacajno povecala ruski teritorij, a Kurdi bi i dalje bili bez drzave...

Ne kontam sta zelis da kazes?

[Freamon Lester]

A stratesko cimanje bi se moglo odigrati i na sjeveru Evrope gdje bi Rusi opet mogli oteti kojeg policajca ili granicara u Baltickim zemljama..

Uglavnom 3 samara Rusiji danas, a oni jos sute... pickice...

[Romanija]

I Turski RF-4 je bio oboren od strane Sirijske PVO na pocetku rata, ali nije doslo do nikakve vojne eskalacije. Erdogan je 'politicki' jako emotivan sto se dalo zakljuciti i u totalnom zahladjenju odnosa sa Izraelom, a mnogi zaboravljaju da je bio Asadov veliki prijatelj samo par mjeseci do pocetka ustanka u Siriji. Iz toga se moze zakljuciti da je spreman na nagla, da ne kazem hirovita, reagovanja i promjene politike, te da je spreman suprostaviti se Rusiji. Putin gura staru sovjetsku 'zero-sum' politiku, sto znaci da ce ti ga uvaliti sa ledja negdje i jednom. Vjerovatno ce tako biti i sa Turskom. Medjutim nerelano je ocekivati da ce Rusi vojno reagovati, vojno su mozda jaki da takticki preokrenu situaciju na stranu SAA, ali sa ovakvim odnosom snaga nemaju nikakvih taktickih preduslova da se suprostave Turskoj. Ili jos interesantnije da ta ta zero-sum politika zavrsi sa jos vise naleta 'Medvjeda' oko UK i pritisak na Balticke NATO clanice. Onda ce biti sanse za jos jedan thread na klixu, a mozda jednom zavrsimo i sa III World War.....

[zivco]

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[sjedi 1]

Cuj Kikija megasvjetskog stratega, NATO nece reagovati.

NATO je već reagovao posredstvom Turske. I ranije su Rusi upadali u njihov zračni prostor, NATO se oglasio da to ne rade više i sad kad su bili minut vremena u turskom zračnom prostoru i dobili su što su trebali. Pitanje je sada da li će Rusija reagovati. NATO sigurno neće jer je njihova članica odradila svoj dio posla.

Šta je ta članica odradila i za koga pokazaće vrijeme

[zivco]

Sasvim je logicno da ce Kurdi sada dobiti pomoc od Rusije
I trebaju dobiti svoju drzavu, toliki narod bez drzave.

Kao što je logično da onoliki narodi u rusiji trebaju dobiti samostalnost, recimo Čečeni, i turci će im svakako pomoći u tome.

Čečena je sve skupa milion i trista tisuca, a Kurda 20-tak miliona.
Mene samo interesuje zasto tebi smeta da Kurdi imaju svoju drzavu?

Sasvim je logicno da ce Kurdi sada dobiti pomoc od Rusije
I trebaju dobiti svoju drzavu, toliki narod bez drzave.

Pomoc od Rusije bi znacajno povecala ruski teritorij, a Kurdi bi i dalje bili bez drzave...

Ne kontam sta zelis da kazes?

Vjerovatno da bi se ponovilo ono sto se desilo Armencima...par miliona bi bilo preseljeno u Irak i mirna Turska

[hrle1976]

Cuj Kikija megasvjetskog stratega, NATO nece reagovati.

Pa ako reaguje NATO, to ce znaciti objava rata Rusiji.

Da li su spremni radi Turske upustiti se u nuklearni rat sa Rusijom?

Jer, valjda je jasno da bi Rusija u tom sukobu bila inferiorna i da bi morali raspaliti sa svime sto imaju kako bi izbjegli totalni poraz...

Zato NATO i postoji.

To je Ruski problem.

Sve se bojim da ce Bugari, Hrvati i Grci ginuti za Turskom. Toliko o Natu. Tu je samo rijec o naplati clanarine i nista vise, a ko kajmaci clanarinu to bi trebalo svima biti jasno. Ako dodje do belaja bice klasican proxy rat.

Mozda ja naivno razmisljam ali da jedan Poljak pomaze Svabi koji mu je bez razloga 1939 pradjeda i po porodice pobio je za mene naucna fantastika. Isto tako jedna Estonija i Latvija koje imaju gotovo 40% Ruskog zivlja u drzavi.

[junior3]

Ma ukinuti gas, nek se pomrznu.

[Lincoln-Burrows]

Ne možeš obarati ruski avion a ostati nekažnjen, Turska će platiti neku cijenu.

[undefined007]

Kakva šamarčina Turske Rusiji auuuuu......

[zivco]

Ne možeš obarati ruski avion a ostati nekažnjen, Turska će platiti neku cijenu.

Meni se cini da ti ne kontas da ovo nije Turska napravila Rusima

[Lincoln-Burrows]

Ne možeš obarati ruski avion a ostati nekažnjen, Turska će platiti neku cijenu.

Meni se cini da ti ne kontas da ovo nije Turska napravila Rusima

Vjerojatno su Kurdi.

[iway]

Cuj Kikija megasvjetskog stratega, NATO nece reagovati.

NATO je već reagovao posredstvom Turske. I ranije su Rusi upadali u njihov zračni prostor, NATO se oglasio da to ne rade više i sad kad su bili minut vremena u turskom zračnom prostoru i dobili su što su trebali. Pitanje je sada da li će Rusija reagovati. NATO sigurno neće jer je njihova članica odradila svoj dio posla.

Šta je ta članica odradila i za koga pokazaće vrijeme

Mislio sam na ovaj dio što se ovaj čudi šta će nato sad uraditi. A to da li će ovaj događaj ići u prilog natou, rusiji ili nekom trećem to ovisi o daljnjim akcijama. Ali gledajući sad kako jeste nema se šta više nato petljati. Sve je na rusiji. A evo vidim MVP rusije govori članovima da izbjegavaju tursku

[zivco]

Ne možeš obarati ruski avion a ostati nekažnjen, Turska će platiti neku cijenu.

Meni se cini da ti ne kontas da ovo nije Turska napravila Rusima

Vjerojatno su Kurdi.

Izvini al komentar ti je glup, ne duhovit

[sjedi 1]

Mislio sam na ovaj dio što se ovaj čudi šta će nato sad uraditi. A to da li će ovaj događaj ići u prilog natou, rusiji ili nekom trećem to ovisi o daljnjim akcijama. Ali gledajući sad kako jeste nema se šta više nato petljati. Sve je na rusiji. A evo vidim MVP rusije govori članovima da izbjegavaju tursku

NATO trenutno zasjeda,saopštenje koje oni budu dali nakon tog sastanka mnogo će toga reći

[Arteta]

Sasvim je logicno da ce Kurdi sada dobiti pomoc od Rusije
I trebaju dobiti svoju drzavu, toliki narod bez drzave.

Kao što je logično da onoliki narodi u rusiji trebaju dobiti samostalnost, recimo Čečeni, i turci će im svakako pomoći u tome.

Cecenija je jedna od regija gdje Vladimir Putin ima najvecu podrsku.

[arzuhal]

[undefined007]

Turci su ih i prije mjesec dana upozoravali čak su i Rusi priznali da su upadali u vp Turske.
Izgleda da su danas opet "opipavali" puls a Bgm se i zajebali.