S vremena na vrijeme se u banjaluckim "Nezavisnim novinama" pojave clanci koji "dokazuju" vezu medjunarodnih terorista i Bosne i Hercegovine.
Analizirajmo tacnost tih clanaka ovdje.
Nezavisne novine
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Prenj
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Primjer prvi: Internet izdanje "Vecernjih novina" od 18/11/2005, rubrika "Dogadjaji":
"The Times" je do sada objavio samo dva clanka o bombasima uhapsenim u Sarajevu.
http://www.nezavisne.com/dnevne/dogadja ... 005-03.php
Datum: 18.11.2005
Londonski "Tajms" o vezama uhapšenih u Sarajevu sa najopasnijim teroristom današnjice
Bektašević blizak s Al Zarkavijem
D. RADUŠKI, M. ČUBRO
LONDON - Mirsad Bektašević, koji je nedavno uhapšen u Sarajevu, sljedbenik je Abu Musaba al Zarkavija, možda najopasnijeg teroriste današnjice, koji planira da se okrene protiv vlada u Evropi gdje počinje da aktivira svoje ćelije, piše britanski "Tajms" i dodaje da je Bektašević u Iraku bio vrlo blizak sa Zarkavijem.
List navodi da je Bektašević kod kojeg su pronađeni DVD sa instrukcijama o pravljenju bombe za samoubilački napad, kao i fotografije nekih meta u SAD, uključujući i Bijelu kuću, vodio jedan od Zarkavijevih veb sajtova.
Dodaje da su istražioci nedavno boravili u Sarajevu gdje su sa tamošnjim čelnicima razgovarali o Bektaševićevom hapšenju.
"Bektašević je rođeni Bosanac koji ima švedski pasoš, a uhapšen je zajedno sa osobom koja je imala turski pasoš. Policija je u stanu u Sarajevu pronašla eksploziv, materijal za pravljenje bombe, te se pretpostavlja da je meta bila neka zapadna ambasada", piše "Tajms".
Tužilaštvo Bosne i Hercegovine 4. novembra izdalo je nalog za otvaranje istrage protiv dvojice stranih državljana za krivična djela terorizma i nedozvoljenog držanja oružja ili eksplozivnih materija.
Riječ je o Mirsadu Bektaševiću (19), državljaninu Švedske i Cesuru Abdulkadiru, državljaninu Turske, koji su uhapšeni 19. oktobra u Sarajevu i kojima je Sud BiH odredio jednomjesečni pritvor.
U ovoj akciji MUP-a FBiH uhapšen je i državljanin BiH Abdulkadir Biliam, vlasnik stana koji su iznajmili osumnjičeni, ali je on nakon saslušanja pušten iz pritvora.
"Tajms" juče piše da je istraga koja se trenutno vodi protiv Zarkavija otkrila da je bivši sitni kriminalac iz Jordana izgradio opasnu terorističku mrežu koja se prostire od Velike Britanije do Avganistana i koja pokriva skoro 40 zemalja.
"Nekada smatran brutalnom, ali minornom figurom u Al Kaidinoj hijerarhiji, Zarkavi je, po svemu, sudeći danas nadmašio svog mentora Osamu bin Ladena, za kojeg se nije čulo već godinu dana. Nacionalni centar za borbu protiv terorizma iz SAD vjeruje da je Zarkavi uspostavio veze s najmanje 24 militantne grupe širom svijeta", navodi list.
List navodi da se vjeruje da Zarkavi trenutno vodi borbu unutar Al Kaide za mjesto lidera i da on želi da postane novi vrhovni komandant.
"Mnogi vjeruju da je ovaj Jordanac, rođen u gradiću Zarka, na dobrom putu da to i postigne. Pored ovog, vjeruje se da Zarkavi želi da mobiliše i svoje ćelije u Evropi. Samo prošlog mjeseca četiri njegova sljedbenika osuđena su u Dizeldorfu za planiranje napada na Jevreje u Njemačkoj", dodaje "Tajms".
Amerikanci smatraju da će, s obzirom da je sve više njegovih saradnika i sljedbenika iza rešetaka, uskoro doći i do Zarkavija čija je glava ucijenjena na 25 miliona dolara i za kojeg se pretpostavlja da se krije u provinciji Anbar.
Uhapšeni saradnici osumnjičenih za terorizam
Pripadnici MUP-a Federacije BiH uhapsili su jučer dvije osobe osumnjičene da su saradnici osoba koje su nedavno uhapšene u Sarajevu zbog sumnje da su pripremali teroristički napad.
"Ne mogu sa sigurnošću kazati da li su u ovom trenutku uhapšene osobe prebačene u Tužilaštvo BiH, ali znam da se njihovo prebacivanje očekuje u što skorijem roku", potvrdio je sinoć dežurni tužilac Tužilaštva BiH, uoči zaključenja ovog izdanja "Nezavisnih".
Informaciju o novim hapšenjima osumnjičenih za pripadnost terorostičkoj mreži potvrdio je jučer Ured predsjedavajućeg Vijeća ministara BiH. Adnan Terzić, predsjedavjući Vijeća, čestitao je pripadnicima Obavještajno-sigurnosne agencije BiH (OSA) na lociranju, te pripadnicima MUP-a FBiH na hapšenju suradnika osoba koje su osumnjičene za pripremanje terorističkih napada. Federalna policija uhapsila je prije petnaestak dana tri osobe za koje je kasnije utvrđeno da su Mirsad Bektašević, državljanin Švedske, Cesur Abdulkadir, državljanin Turske i bh. državljanin Abdulkadir Bislim, koji je nakon kratkog zadržavanja pušten iz pritvora.
"The Times" je do sada objavio samo dva clanka o bombasima uhapsenim u Sarajevu.
The Times October 24, 2005
Police foil bomb attack in Sarajevo
From Nick Hawton in Sarajevo
EMBASSIES and foreign organisations in Bosnia have stepped up security after police in Sarajevo arrested two men who were apparently preparing to carry out a suicide bomb attack.
The two, who hold Swedish and Turkish citizenship but who are believed to have come from the former Yugoslavia, are said to have been under surveillance for some time.
According to sources close to the investigation, they were carrying explosives when they were arrested in the suburb of Ilidza on the outskirts of Sarajevo. One report said that the men were planning to attack the embassy of a European Union country.
Weapons and explosives were seized from two buildings that have links with the unnamed men, aged 18 and 20. At least one of them is alleged to have recorded a video reciting Islamic prayers that was intended to be found after his death. A third man, a Bosnian, was arrested and is being held at a separate facility.
There are 7,000 European Union (EUFOR) peacekeepers stationed in Bosnia, including several hundred British troops.
Nastavice se ...The Sunday Times November 06, 2005
MI5 probes suicide attack plots on Washington
David Leppard
MI5 is investigating a suspected plot by Islamic terrorists to carry out multiple suicide bombings of the White House and the Capitol in Washington DC.
Whitehall officials say the alleged conspiracy was being organised by a senior Al-Qaeda member using the codename Maximus. He is said to have been communicating by e-mail with associates in Britain and elsewhere.
MI5 officers travelled to Sarajevo in Bosnia two weeks ago to interview Maximus about the White House plot. Security sources said he may have links to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the chief of Al-Qaeda in Iraq. Last week Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan police commissioner, said the security services had foiled a number of planned outrages since the July bombings. He warned the authorities were preparing for the risk of further attacks in the coming months.
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DonDavudes
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The Times November 18, 2005
Bin Laden’s ruthless rival spreads tentacles of jihad across region
By Richard Beeston, Catherine Philp and Michael Theodoulou
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has his sights on battlegrounds beyond Iraq as he strives to lead al-Qaeda
THE world’s most feared terrorist mastermind, who has been responsible for a two-year campaign of violence in Iraq, is planning to turn his sights on moderate regimes in the Middle East, Europe and Africa, where he intends to spread his ruthless brand of jihad.
An investigation by The Times into Abu Musab al- Zarqawi, the head of al-Qaeda in Iraq, has revealed that the former petty criminal from Jordan has built up a formidable terrorist network that stretches from Britain to Afghanistan and covers many countries in between.
Once regarded as a brutal but relatively minor figure in the al-Qaeda hierarchy, al-Zarqawi has outstripped his mentor, Osama bin Laden, who has not been heard of for a year.
Al-Zarqawi commands more people, has access to greater funds and enjoys growing support among young Muslims drawn to his slick internet websites, which give lurid details of his latest attacks on “infidels”.
A recent study about Iraq’s insurgency by the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in Washington estimated that 3,000 foreign fighters had gone to Iraq to join the insurgency.
Now, battle-hardened, they form the vanguard of a “foreign legion” ready to take the jihad to their homelands in what US intelligence officials refer to as “bleed-out”.
The National Counterterrorism Centre in America believes that al-Zarqawi’s network extends to 40 countries and that he has developed links with 24 militant groups worldwide.
Already notorious in Iraq for committing the worst outrages of the insurgency, including personally beheading several foreign hostages and killing thousands of Shia Muslim civilians, al-Zarqawi carried out his first big operation abroad last week.
Iraqi suicide bombers attacked three hotels in Amman, the Jordanian capital, killing mainly Jordanian civilians, many of whom were attending a wedding reception. Hala al-Faroukah, the mother of the bride, died of her wounds while in a coma yesterday. Her death brought to 62 the number of people killed in the attacks on November 9.
“This is Zarqawi marking out his new territory,” an Arab intelligence source said. “I believe there’s a leadership struggle under way in al-Qaeda and he wants to establish himself as the new supremo.”
The evidence suggests that the 38-year-old, who grew up in the depressed Jordanian town of Zarqa, may already be well on his way to achieving his goal.
This year the Americans released a letter that they had intercepted from Ayman al-Zawahiri, al-Qaeda’s No 2, to al-Zarqawi on their common goal of establishing an Islamic caliphate in the Arab world.
In the 6,000-word missive, al-Zawahiri told al-Zarqawi that after US forces were driven from Iraq the jihad must be waged against “secular countries neighbouring Iraq”. The attacks in Jordan suggest that such a phase may already be under way, as foreign fighters begin to return to their home countries.
The two most recent al- Qaeda commanders in Saudi Arabia, who were killed by security forces, had both seen action in Iraq alongside al-Zarqawi. Militants were also intercepted in Kuwait in June trying to smuggle explosives into the emirate from Iraq and two gun battles in Syria in the past six months involved militants with links to Iraq.
“This phenomenon hasn’t really started happening yet, but it’s something that everyone is expecting,” said a British counter-terrorism official in the Gulf. “If it gets to the point where it’s more difficult to fight in Iraq than to fight somewhere else, they’ll fight somewhere else.”
Detectives have gone to Sarajevo to talk to security chiefs about their arrest of Mishad Becktasivic, a Bosnian-born extremist alleged to have been in Iraq with al-Zarqawi and to have run one of his websites.
Becktasivic has a Swedish passport and was travelling with a Turkish man. Police say that they found explosives, bomb-making materials and a suicide vest in their apartment in the Bosnian capital and believe that the plan was to attack a Western embassy.
evo link za cijeli clanak http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 86,00.html
ps. prosurfaj malo bolje
Bin Laden’s ruthless rival spreads tentacles of jihad across region
By Richard Beeston, Catherine Philp and Michael Theodoulou
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has his sights on battlegrounds beyond Iraq as he strives to lead al-Qaeda
THE world’s most feared terrorist mastermind, who has been responsible for a two-year campaign of violence in Iraq, is planning to turn his sights on moderate regimes in the Middle East, Europe and Africa, where he intends to spread his ruthless brand of jihad.
An investigation by The Times into Abu Musab al- Zarqawi, the head of al-Qaeda in Iraq, has revealed that the former petty criminal from Jordan has built up a formidable terrorist network that stretches from Britain to Afghanistan and covers many countries in between.
Once regarded as a brutal but relatively minor figure in the al-Qaeda hierarchy, al-Zarqawi has outstripped his mentor, Osama bin Laden, who has not been heard of for a year.
Al-Zarqawi commands more people, has access to greater funds and enjoys growing support among young Muslims drawn to his slick internet websites, which give lurid details of his latest attacks on “infidels”.
A recent study about Iraq’s insurgency by the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in Washington estimated that 3,000 foreign fighters had gone to Iraq to join the insurgency.
Now, battle-hardened, they form the vanguard of a “foreign legion” ready to take the jihad to their homelands in what US intelligence officials refer to as “bleed-out”.
The National Counterterrorism Centre in America believes that al-Zarqawi’s network extends to 40 countries and that he has developed links with 24 militant groups worldwide.
Already notorious in Iraq for committing the worst outrages of the insurgency, including personally beheading several foreign hostages and killing thousands of Shia Muslim civilians, al-Zarqawi carried out his first big operation abroad last week.
Iraqi suicide bombers attacked three hotels in Amman, the Jordanian capital, killing mainly Jordanian civilians, many of whom were attending a wedding reception. Hala al-Faroukah, the mother of the bride, died of her wounds while in a coma yesterday. Her death brought to 62 the number of people killed in the attacks on November 9.
“This is Zarqawi marking out his new territory,” an Arab intelligence source said. “I believe there’s a leadership struggle under way in al-Qaeda and he wants to establish himself as the new supremo.”
The evidence suggests that the 38-year-old, who grew up in the depressed Jordanian town of Zarqa, may already be well on his way to achieving his goal.
This year the Americans released a letter that they had intercepted from Ayman al-Zawahiri, al-Qaeda’s No 2, to al-Zarqawi on their common goal of establishing an Islamic caliphate in the Arab world.
In the 6,000-word missive, al-Zawahiri told al-Zarqawi that after US forces were driven from Iraq the jihad must be waged against “secular countries neighbouring Iraq”. The attacks in Jordan suggest that such a phase may already be under way, as foreign fighters begin to return to their home countries.
The two most recent al- Qaeda commanders in Saudi Arabia, who were killed by security forces, had both seen action in Iraq alongside al-Zarqawi. Militants were also intercepted in Kuwait in June trying to smuggle explosives into the emirate from Iraq and two gun battles in Syria in the past six months involved militants with links to Iraq.
“This phenomenon hasn’t really started happening yet, but it’s something that everyone is expecting,” said a British counter-terrorism official in the Gulf. “If it gets to the point where it’s more difficult to fight in Iraq than to fight somewhere else, they’ll fight somewhere else.”
Detectives have gone to Sarajevo to talk to security chiefs about their arrest of Mishad Becktasivic, a Bosnian-born extremist alleged to have been in Iraq with al-Zarqawi and to have run one of his websites.
Becktasivic has a Swedish passport and was travelling with a Turkish man. Police say that they found explosives, bomb-making materials and a suicide vest in their apartment in the Bosnian capital and believe that the plan was to attack a Western embassy.
evo link za cijeli clanak http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 86,00.html
ps. prosurfaj malo bolje
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tempora
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Svojevremeno su Nezavisne napisale clanak o BiH "teroristima" koji su poginuli u Ceceniji 2000te pozivajuci se na izvore Moskovskog Kosmoleta i britanskog Guardiana. Niti jedan od ovih listova nema u svojoj arhivi takav tekst.Cudno je da su svi tekstovi arhivirani do sada, samo se eto bas tom u obje novine gubi svaki trag, kao i novinaru Kosmoleta kojeg nema na spisku uposlenih ili se mozda radi o pseudonimu. AKo neko od vas ima taj clanak, navodno objavljen u ovim novinama neka mi ga molim vas proslijedi!
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DonDavudes
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tempo, najlakšeje optužiti novinare
cinjenica je da u svojim redovima imamo zaludjene mladice koji zele da se raznesu ispred neke od ambasada i optuzivati nezavisne ili bilo koje druge novine (sl. bosan je cesto dezurna na listi za odstrel) nicemu ne koristi
treba se suociti sa problemom koji, nazalost, imamo
ps. ne znam za taj slucaj iz gardijana, ali povodeci se za prenjovim "primjerom" mislim da bi se ozbiljnijompretragom i ta prica mogla naci
cinjenica je da u svojim redovima imamo zaludjene mladice koji zele da se raznesu ispred neke od ambasada i optuzivati nezavisne ili bilo koje druge novine (sl. bosan je cesto dezurna na listi za odstrel) nicemu ne koristi
treba se suociti sa problemom koji, nazalost, imamo
ps. ne znam za taj slucaj iz gardijana, ali povodeci se za prenjovim "primjerom" mislim da bi se ozbiljnijompretragom i ta prica mogla naci
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Prenj
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DonDavudes, hvala za clanak.
Mislim da sad imamo sav materijal potreban za analizu.
Dole su navedena dva dijela teksta iz Nezavisnih i dijelovi iz originalnog teksta iz The Times-a, gdje se navodi o Bektasevicu preklapaju i gdje Nezavisne vrlo slobodno prevode The Times, sa nemalim posljedicama po ukupni smisao clanka.
The Times kaze da je Bektasevic NAVODNO bio u Iraku ...
Takodje, u nastavku gdje Nezavisne navode da je Bektasevic bio vrlo blizak za Zarkavijem je vrlo, vrlo slobodan prevod originalnog teksta.
Puno tacniji prevod bi bio da je "Bektasevic ... bio u Iraku sa Zarkavijem ...".
Izmedju "bio sa" i "bio blizak sa" nije bas mala razlika.
Ovdje je ocito u pitanju greska:
U The Times-u pise da je je DVD sa instrukcijama za pravljenje bombe za samoubilacki napad i fotografije Bijele kuce i nekih drugih meta u USA, pronadjen kod trojice optuzenih za terorizam u Londonu ovog mjeseca.
Mislim da sad imamo sav materijal potreban za analizu.
Dole su navedena dva dijela teksta iz Nezavisnih i dijelovi iz originalnog teksta iz The Times-a, gdje se navodi o Bektasevicu preklapaju i gdje Nezavisne vrlo slobodno prevode The Times, sa nemalim posljedicama po ukupni smisao clanka.
Nezavisne wrote:LONDON - Mirsad Bektašević, koji je nedavno uhapšen u Sarajevu, sljedbenik je Abu Musaba al Zarkavija, možda najopasnijeg teroriste današnjice, koji planira da se okrene protiv vlada u Evropi gdje počinje da aktivira svoje ćelije, piše britanski "Tajms" i dodaje da je Bektašević u Iraku bio vrlo blizak sa Zarkavijem.
The Times ne tvrdi da je Bektasevic bio u Iraku ...The Times wrote:Detectives have gone to Sarajevo to talk to security chiefs about their arrest of Mishad Becktasivic, a Bosnian-born extremist alleged to have been in Iraq with al-Zarqawi and to have run one of his websites
The Times kaze da je Bektasevic NAVODNO bio u Iraku ...
Takodje, u nastavku gdje Nezavisne navode da je Bektasevic bio vrlo blizak za Zarkavijem je vrlo, vrlo slobodan prevod originalnog teksta.
Puno tacniji prevod bi bio da je "Bektasevic ... bio u Iraku sa Zarkavijem ...".
Izmedju "bio sa" i "bio blizak sa" nije bas mala razlika.
Nezavisne wrote:List navodi da je Bektašević kod kojeg su pronađeni DVD sa instrukcijama o pravljenju bombe za samoubilački napad, kao i fotografije nekih meta u SAD, uključujući i Bijelu kuću, vodio jedan od Zarkavijevih veb sajtova.
Nezavisne tvrde da je kod Bektasevica pronadjen DVD sa instrukcijama za pravljenje bombe za samoubilački napad, kao i fotografije nekih meta u SAD, uključujući i Bijelu kuću.The Times wrote:Britain, too, may be a target. Scotland Yard is investigating alleged links between three men charged with terrorism offences in London this month and an “online recruiter” for al-Zarqawi who has been picked up in the Balkans.
According to the police, the arrested men were carrying DVDs with instructions on how to make a suicide bomb belt. Officers say that they found surveillance photographs of US landmarks, including the White House.
Ovdje je ocito u pitanju greska:
U The Times-u pise da je je DVD sa instrukcijama za pravljenje bombe za samoubilacki napad i fotografije Bijele kuce i nekih drugih meta u USA, pronadjen kod trojice optuzenih za terorizam u Londonu ovog mjeseca.
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Mr_M
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He he. "Nezavisne" su poprilicno dobre novine, u odnosu na "Oslobođenje", "Avaz" i co. su mila majka. Od nijednih novina se ne može očekivati 100% tačnost, takve na svijetu ne postoje, ako mi ih neko navede daću mu šta hoće. Nisu "Nezavisne" krive ako postoje neke organizacije koje su spremne na neka dejstva koja su protivustavna. Većina informacija o nekim hapšenjima koja su se dešavala u federaciji proteklih par dana, su dolazile u medije preko tužolaštva BiH i MUP-a federacije. "Nezavisne" samo prenose informacije.
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DonDavudes
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prenj,
neda mi se sad sve citatai
nego......
procitaj sutra novine (bilo koje, iole obavijestenije) pa ces vidjeti da je price bila itekako tacna ..... ato sto neko ima informaciju prije, valjda je u tome poenta novinarstva
razlike u tekstovima mozes pojasniti cinjenicom da nekad bosanski novinari mogu biti informsaniji od timesa od LONDONSKOG timesa
neda mi se sad sve citatai
nego......
procitaj sutra novine (bilo koje, iole obavijestenije) pa ces vidjeti da je price bila itekako tacna ..... ato sto neko ima informaciju prije, valjda je u tome poenta novinarstva
razlike u tekstovima mozes pojasniti cinjenicom da nekad bosanski novinari mogu biti informsaniji od timesa od LONDONSKOG timesa
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Mr_M
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Nije su mi poznati tekstovi iz Guardijana i Kosmoleta, ali prije par mjeseci sam gledao na TV-u inervju sa ambasadorom Rusije u BiH, koji je potvrdio ovu informaciju. Medjutim rekao je da su ti teroristi bili drzavljani BiH ali porijeklom iz zemalja Bliskog istoka.tempora wrote:Svojevremeno su Nezavisne napisale clanak o BiH "teroristima" koji su poginuli u Ceceniji 2000te pozivajuci se na izvore Moskovskog Kosmoleta i britanskog Guardiana. Niti jedan od ovih listova nema u svojoj arhivi takav tekst.Cudno je da su svi tekstovi arhivirani do sada, samo se eto bas tom u obje novine gubi svaki trag, kao i novinaru Kosmoleta kojeg nema na spisku uposlenih ili se mozda radi o pseudonimu. AKo neko od vas ima taj clanak, navodno objavljen u ovim novinama neka mi ga molim vas proslijedi!
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tempora
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Don, moj post nije sadrzao optuznicu na bilo ciju adresu nego cinjenice. Kao sto rekoh, ja te tekstove na koje se Nezavisne pozivaju kao izvore nisam nasla u arhivama ovih novina. Kao sto ni u Kosmoletu nema Aleksandra Voronina. I izuzetno je cudno da obje novine nemaju arhiviran tekst. Da je to bio slucaj sa jednom od istih, moglo bi se pomisliti da se tekst izgubio nemarnoscu nekoga od uposlenih ali da obje novine nemaju jedan te isti teks, vrlo je upitno.DonDavudes wrote:tempo, najlakšeje optužiti novinare
cinjenica je da u svojim redovima imamo zaludjene mladice koji zele da se raznesu ispred neke od ambasada i optuzivati nezavisne ili bilo koje druge novine (sl. bosan je cesto dezurna na listi za odstrel) nicemu ne koristi
treba se suociti sa problemom koji, nazalost, imamo
ps. ne znam za taj slucaj iz gardijana, ali povodeci se za prenjovim "primjerom" mislim da bi se ozbiljnijompretragom i ta prica mogla naci
Ovo ne pobija cinjenicu o umjesanosti mladica iz BiH u cecenskom ratu. ALi izvor informacija na koje se Nezavisne pozivaju krajnje je diskutabilan.