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#1 Misionari u BiH

Post by heckler » 10/10/2011 22:48

Ovakve teme imaju potencijal da najnize strasti animiraju u ljudima pa se nadam da ce ovaj put se neki nivo samokotrole upaliti.

Naisao sam slucajno na ovaj clanak pa me potaklo na razmisljanje ko sve vrslja po Bosni i kakvi su im krajnji motivi i koliko je ovaj novi val pokrstavanja stvarno izrazen na terenu?

Dakle prototip za jedinstvo Bosne i Hercegovine je prekrstavanje u Evangelisticku Crkvu...
Bosnians Find 'Prototype' to Heal Divided Nation



SARAJEVO, Bosnia and Herzegovina -- It was a short 16 years ago when sniper fire echoed through the streets of Bosnia. Serbs, Croats, and Muslims were killing each other because of ethnic and religious differences.

Today there is peace but the country is still divided. Bosnia's evangelical Christians are trying to bridge the fault lines.

Church as 'Prototype'

Sasa Nikolinovic calls the evangelical church the one place where all Bosnians can find forgiveness.

"The church is a prototype of something special that God is doing in Bosnia," said Nikolinovic, who pastors the Evangelical Church of Sarajevo in Bosnia's capital city.

It was in this exact spot back in 1984 that Sarajevo held the opening ceremonies to the Olympic Games.

Today it is filled with thousands of people -- victims of the Bosnian war. And in reality, this is what the tiny evangelical church has to deal with -- trying to bring healing and reconciliation to a nation that is bitterly divided by the acts of war.

"The politicians are trying to bring us together, the world is trying to bring us together, humanitarian groups are trying to bring us together," Nikolinovic said.

"But it is only in the church where real fellowship, real community and real reconciliation is possible," he said.

Spirit of Unity

Nikolinovic's church sits in the heart of Sarajevo. On any given Sunday morning you will find Croats, Serbs, and former Muslims worshipping under one roof.


During a recent service, that unity was on dramatic display when a Muslim convert to Christianity and a couple from Serb and Croat backgrounds publicly declared their faith in Jesus Christ by getting baptized.


"This is my way of showing the world that I belong to Jesus Christ, Dalibor Krunic said.

"We are from different backgrounds but it is God who unites us," Jelena Krunic said.

"Today I have found what it means to be happy," Meri Hukara a convert from Islam, said.

Legacy of War Lingers

Unity is what this country desperately needs to move forward. Sixteen years later, remains of those killed during Bosnia's brutal war are still being recovered.

As cities like Sarajevo try to recover, these images still haunt them all these years later.

The reminders of hatred are everywhere. And the legacy of crimes committed still hang heavy over the nation.

"I remember during the height of the war there were less than 20 evangelical believers left in the country, everyone else fled," Nikolinovic said.

"But during those hard times, God still poured His Spirit on us," he said. "I know Christians around the world watching the horrific images from Bosnia were praying for us and it is only because of those prayers that we survived."

Rising Chorus

The church has grown significantly since then but still represents a tiny percentage of the population.

"There are between 700 and 1,000 evangelical believers in all of Bosnia," Karmelo Kresonja, who leads the Evangelical Church of Mostar, said. "This is a very small number and that's because it is not easy to share the message of Christ with people."

The majority of Bosnians are Orthodox, Catholic, or Muslim. Evangelical Christians are viewed with suspicion.

Bernard Mikulic pastors the only congregation in the country that has an official building designated as an evangelical church.

"People in the community didn't like it when the church was being built. We got routine threats," Mikulic said. "There were all kinds of graffiti scrawled on the church walls."

Srdan Milenovic was one of those who thought evangelical Christians were weird and potentially dangerous.

But his opinion changed when the former drug addict got an invitation to attend a Christian camp.

"There was something about these people that I found very attractive," Milenovic said.

"I saw different ethnic groups worshipping God and they were happy. I wanted this, too," he said. "I gave my heart to the Lord and eventually was set free from drugs."

Damir Beki is a young pastor working among Muslims in the north. He said overcoming the wounds of the past is difficult.


"I live in a city where the majority of the Muslims during the war were tortured, put in concentration camps, and killed by so-called ethnic Christians," Beki said.

"So we face the challenge of how to share the message of Christ to a community that has a hard time trusting evangelicals," he said.


Rumors of War?

Just spend a few minutes on the streets of Bosnia and people remember.

They remember the horrors of the war. They remember the reign of terror that struck every corner of this nation.

And now Bosnians worry that unchecked and unresolved ethnic tensions could spark another war. Something Christians here are praying will never happen.

"We have to pray and work harder to show people that reconciliation is a powerful message that comes from God," Mikulic said.

"Reconciliation first with God through Jesus Christ then reconciliation with one another," he added.

"I pray Second Chronicles 7:14 every day over my nation," Kresonja said. "We have to humble ourselves, deny our pride, deny our stubbornness, deny our ethnic divisions, our religious differences and turn to God, then He will heal us."

"I want my country to be filled with the awareness and knowledge of God," Nikolinovic said.

"I'm praying that Bosnia will know a good God who loves us, a God who forgives us, a God who does not see the differences between ethnic groups, but a God who sent His only Son to the world to die for our sins," he said. "This is my hope and prayer."


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#2 Re: Misionari u BiH

Post by Bodkin » 10/10/2011 23:31

znam ja par momaka iz Sa koji mozda nisu presli sa druge religije ali su potpuno prihvatili ova ucenja. cak sam se i druzio sa ovim nekim amerikancima koji su tu kao misionari.organizuju druzenja, sportske turnire i ostalo. mislim da krajnji cilj nije isplaniran nego je ovo stihijski ali ne bih tvrdio da sam apsolutno u pravu

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#3 Re: Misionari u BiH

Post by prljavi Hare » 11/10/2011 08:08

Juče su meni pozvonila na vrata dva ukusno odjevena i vrlo kulturna čovjeka,predstaviše se i dadoše mi nekakav
pamflet o pravilnom odgoju djece.Primjetio sam da drže i druge knjižice sa Isusovim likom ali ljudi uopšte nisu
bili nastrljivi,naprotiv,ostalo je na onoj knjižici o odgoju djece,kulturan pozdrav i to je to.
Malo zazirem od misionara jer su me u ratu bukvalno satirali Jehovini svjedoci,kad god se sa ratišta vratim da
se odmorim ona dva-tri jadna dana,eto ti dvije babe na vrata,jednom ih je stara i uvela u stan,a ove su baš
bile naporne,ali bile su starije gospođe,nisam imao srca da budem grub,kasnije samo nisam otvarao vrata kad
ih vidim na špijunku,ali nisu ni oni levati,kroz neko vrijeme uslijedila je promjena taktike,na vrata su došle
dvije prekrasne djevojke,onako imale su po 23-25 godine,predivne,e njih sam redovno pozivao na kafu,a gdje
i ne bih,ja ko bik za koridu,18 mi godina,ključa krv u meni,one dobre,zvižde! :D
Vazile su stalno nešto o Isusovom povratku na zemlju,ja sam samo šutio i gledao ih,vjerovatno provokativno i
bezobrazno(u seksualnom smislu),tako da su se obadvije zacrvenile.Čak sam im jednom rekao da nema sumnje
da će se Isus pojaviti,ali da meni lično puno više znači njihova pojava i jednoj namignem! :D
Valjda su uvidjele da od mene vjernika nema,pa su kroz neko vrijeme i one prestale dolaziti.Šteta!A sve smo se
mogli dogovoriti,samo da je bilo razumjevanja sa obe strane,za ove dvije krasotice svjedočio bih šta god da je
trebalo! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by heckler » 11/10/2011 08:32

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Dobro me napomenu, odakle se stvorise jehove u po rata :shock: :shock: Smarali su u p lijepu m....


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Post by seln » 11/10/2011 10:38

Primjecujem i tendenciju ka izjednacavanu krivice u kvotiranom clanku.

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Post by popajic » 11/10/2011 10:42

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The politicians are trying to bring us together, the world is trying to bring us together, humanitarian groups are trying to bring us together," Nikolinovic said.

"But it is only in the church where real fellowship, real community and real reconciliation is possible," he said.
How yes no :D
Svi se satrase da nas ujedine , ali ne ide , pa ne ide - a onda svijetla tacka u tunelu : religija :idea:
Opste je poznato da su nas prije, za vrijeme i nakon rata upravo raznorazne vladike , hodze , popovi , crkve u cilju zapisavanja terena , dzamije u istom cilju.... :run:

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Post by Alfons Kauders » 11/10/2011 11:52

prljavi Hare wrote:Juče su meni pozvonila na vrata dva ukusno odjevena i vrlo kulturna čovjeka,predstaviše se i dadoše mi nekakav
pamflet o pravilnom odgoju djece.Primjetio sam da drže i druge knjižice sa Isusovim likom ali ljudi uopšte nisu
bili nastrljivi,naprotiv,ostalo je na onoj knjižici o odgoju djece,kulturan pozdrav i to je to.
Malo zazirem od misionara jer su me u ratu bukvalno satirali Jehovini svjedoci,kad god se sa ratišta vratim da
se odmorim ona dva-tri jadna dana,eto ti dvije babe na vrata,jednom ih je stara i uvela u stan,a ove su baš
bile naporne,ali bile su starije gospođe,nisam imao srca da budem grub,kasnije samo nisam otvarao vrata kad
ih vidim na špijunku,ali nisu ni oni levati,kroz neko vrijeme uslijedila je promjena taktike,na vrata su došle
dvije prekrasne djevojke,onako imale su po 23-25 godine,predivne,e njih sam redovno pozivao na kafu,a gdje
i ne bih,ja ko bik za koridu,18 mi godina,ključa krv u meni,one dobre,zvižde! :D
Vazile su stalno nešto o Isusovom povratku na zemlju,ja sam samo šutio i gledao ih,vjerovatno provokativno i
bezobrazno(u seksualnom smislu),tako da su se obadvije zacrvenile.Čak sam im jednom rekao da nema sumnje
da će se Isus pojaviti,ali da meni lično puno više znači njihova pojava i jednoj namignem! :D
Valjda su uvidjele da od mene vjernika nema,pa su kroz neko vrijeme i one prestale dolaziti.Šteta!A sve smo se
mogli dogovoriti,samo da je bilo razumjevanja sa obe strane,za ove dvije krasotice svjedočio bih šta god da je
trebalo! :lol: :lol: :lol:
meni davno prestali dolazit na vrata... :D

samo reko da cu redom krenuti od vrata do vrata njihovih "simpatizera" i poceti nagovarati narod da ne vjeruje u boga... :D

dolazili su i uz rat, pred kraj negdje... nekakve knjige dijelili... :D buraz fino saslusa sve sto imaju reci i pita da slucajno nemaju sta od bukovskog... :D

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Post by BiH-x » 11/10/2011 12:47

Misionari i vehabije neka se svi gone u mp3 sto se mene tice :dance:

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Post by prljavi Hare » 11/10/2011 14:35

popajic wrote:"
The politicians are trying to bring us together, the world is trying to bring us together, humanitarian groups are trying to bring us together," Nikolinovic said.

"But it is only in the church where real fellowship, real community and real reconciliation is possible," he said.
How yes no :D
Svi se satrase da nas ujedine , ali ne ide , pa ne ide - a onda svijetla tacka u tunelu : religija :idea:
Opste je poznato da su nas prije, za vrijeme i nakon rata upravo raznorazne vladike , hodze , popovi , crkve u cilju zapisavanja terena , dzamije u istom cilju.... :run:

Ja sam vidio svog Boga,u ratu!A drugi puta kad smo pušili nešto,donjeo buraz iz Amsterdama! :D

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Post by popajic » 11/10/2011 16:51

prljavi Hare wrote:
popajic wrote:"
The politicians are trying to bring us together, the world is trying to bring us together, humanitarian groups are trying to bring us together," Nikolinovic said.

"But it is only in the church where real fellowship, real community and real reconciliation is possible," he said.
How yes no :D
Svi se satrase da nas ujedine , ali ne ide , pa ne ide - a onda svijetla tacka u tunelu : religija :idea:
Opste je poznato da su nas prije, za vrijeme i nakon rata upravo raznorazne vladike , hodze , popovi , crkve u cilju zapisavanja terena , dzamije u istom cilju.... :run:

Ja sam vidio svog Boga,u ratu!A drugi puta kad smo pušili nešto,donjeo buraz iz Amsterdama! :D
Ma, svoj ti posao Hare - eto ti se Lord upetljao i u niku u opisu lokacije :D
"I pray Second Chronicles 7:14 every day over my nation," Kresonja said. "We have to humble ourselves, deny our pride, deny our stubbornness, deny our ethnic divisions, our religious differences and turn to God, then He will heal us."
Po ovome sam nesvjesno vrlo okrenut bogu , jer - skroman sam , nisam nesto preponosan , nisam ni tvrdoglav , ljude nikad nisam ni dijelio po etnickoj i religijskoj pripadnosti...a to sve , kazu , ne mozes biti bez okrenutosti bogu :roll:

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Post by Alfons Kauders » 11/10/2011 17:16

popajic wrote:
"I pray Second Chronicles 7:14 every day over my nation," Kresonja said. "We have to humble ourselves, deny our pride, deny our stubbornness, deny our ethnic divisions, our religious differences and turn to God, then He will heal us."
Po ovome sam nesvjesno vrlo okrenut bogu , jer - skroman sam , nisam nesto preponosan , nisam ni tvrdoglav , ljude nikad nisam ni dijelio po etnickoj i religijskoj pripadnosti...a to sve , kazu , ne mozes biti bez okrenutosti bogu :roll:
jedan mali problem s religioznim osobama je sto velika vecina njih ne vjeruje u ovo... naprotiv... :lol:

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Post by detroit-mercy » 11/10/2011 17:27

Od misionara sam samo preuzeo misionarsku pozu :dance: :mrgreen:

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Post by popajic » 11/10/2011 17:54

Alfons Kauders wrote:
popajic wrote:
"I pray Second Chronicles 7:14 every day over my nation," Kresonja said. "We have to humble ourselves, deny our pride, deny our stubbornness, deny our ethnic divisions, our religious differences and turn to God, then He will heal us."
Po ovome sam nesvjesno vrlo okrenut bogu , jer - skroman sam , nisam nesto preponosan , nisam ni tvrdoglav , ljude nikad nisam ni dijelio po etnickoj i religijskoj pripadnosti...a to sve , kazu , ne mozes biti bez okrenutosti bogu :roll:
jedan mali problem s religioznim osobama je sto velika vecina njih ne vjeruje u ovo... naprotiv... :lol:
Cuj , deny our etnic divisions , pa budi humble :D ...vidi se po situaciji u zemlji koliko to pobornika ima :D
Ova je dobra : deny our pride ! Kakav crni ponos , na sta ? ....e, moji misionari , nije ovo podneblje za vas 8)

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Post by Jack Be Nimble » 11/10/2011 18:02

Znam par misionara koji lutaju Bosnom, vecinom idu od crkve do crkve ili od sela do sela i bave se humanitarnim stvarima. Donose hranu, deke, odjecu itd. Zive u gradu blizu mene, pomogli su nasim ljudima da izadju iz BiH i kada su dosli u Ameriku dali im krov nad glavom dok se nisu snasli. Idu svakog ljeta u HRV/BIH prihvatili to kao njihov posao da nama pomognu. Dobra raja.

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Post by prljavi Hare » 11/10/2011 19:09

popajic wrote:
Ma, svoj ti posao Hare - eto ti se Lord upetljao i u niku u opisu lokacije :D

To samo znači da je "Kristina" osvještana i poškropljena vodicom! :oops:

P.S.Odrađeno prije nego će je bivši vlasnik meni "pokloniti",njemu više nije trebala,ustvari njemu više nije
trebalo ništa! :D

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Post by Alfons Kauders » 11/10/2011 19:29

prljavi Hare wrote:
popajic wrote:
Ma, svoj ti posao Hare - eto ti se Lord upetljao i u niku u opisu lokacije :D

To samo znači da je "Kristina" osvještana i poškropljena vodicom! :oops:

P.S.Odrađeno prije nego će je bivši vlasnik meni "pokloniti",njemu više nije trebala,ustvari njemu više nije
trebalo ništa! :D
sem njihovih usluga...

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Post by popajic » 11/10/2011 19:34

Jack Be Nimble wrote:Znam par misionara koji lutaju Bosnom, vecinom idu od crkve do crkve ili od sela do sela i bave se humanitarnim stvarima. Donose hranu, deke, odjecu itd. Zive u gradu blizu mene, pomogli su nasim ljudima da izadju iz BiH i kada su dosli u Ameriku dali im krov nad glavom dok se nisu snasli. Idu svakog ljeta u HRV/BIH prihvatili to kao njihov posao da nama pomognu. Dobra raja.
Sta je misija ovih misionara ?
Ako je humanitarni rad , sto je samo po sebi krajnje pozitivno , ne treba im crkveno zaledje nego puka humanost !
A ako su humani u ime crkve i propagiranja iste , onda mi taj humanitarni rad dobro suhveli .
Rezime : misija ovih misionara nije prevashodno humanizam .

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Post by Jack Be Nimble » 11/10/2011 19:40

popajic wrote:
Jack Be Nimble wrote:Znam par misionara koji lutaju Bosnom, vecinom idu od crkve do crkve ili od sela do sela i bave se humanitarnim stvarima. Donose hranu, deke, odjecu itd. Zive u gradu blizu mene, pomogli su nasim ljudima da izadju iz BiH i kada su dosli u Ameriku dali im krov nad glavom dok se nisu snasli. Idu svakog ljeta u HRV/BIH prihvatili to kao njihov posao da nama pomognu. Dobra raja.
Sta je misija ovih misionara ?
Ako je humanitarni rad , sto je samo po sebi krajnje pozitivno , ne treba im crkveno zaledje nego puka humanost !
A ako su humani u ime crkve i propagiranja iste , onda mi taj humanitarni rad dobro suhveli .
Rezime : misija ovih misionara nije prevashodno humanizam .
Ma zele pomoci i to im je glavni zadatak, svi su naucili nas jezik i vole Halida vise nego ja. Ali ponekada krenu tu pricu kako bi nama bilo bolje da smo na njihovoj strani itd. Kazes im NE oni odustanu io pet nakon nekih 14 mjeseci krene ta prica. Najsretniji bi bili kada bi ja npr. presao na njihovu religiju, ali presretni su da i pomognu.

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Post by popajic » 11/10/2011 20:04

Jack Be Nimble wrote:
Ma zele pomoci i to im je glavni zadatak, svi su naucili nas jezik i vole Halida vise nego ja. Ali ponekada krenu tu pricu kako bi nama bilo bolje da smo na njihovoj strani itd. Kazes im NE oni odustanu io pet nakon nekih 14 mjeseci krene ta prica. Najsretniji bi bili kada bi ja npr. presao na njihovu religiju, ali presretni su da i pomognu.
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Post by Mecena » 11/10/2011 23:42

Odlična tema Džemale.

Protestantski i sektaški prozelitizam je jedan od oblika "tranzicije", ovaj put mentalne tranzicije. Na nebu NATO, u kablu CNN, Fox, Vox, CBS, BBC..., na vratima i na ulici "propovjednik" a sve u funkciji stvaranja "novog balkanskog čovjeka", po mjeri korporacija i NWO.

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Post by Gothic princess » 11/10/2011 23:47

Ja ću jednog dana osnovati svoju religiju, kao što je onaj genije Ron Hubard osnovao scijentologiju i bit ću puuuno bogata. 8-) Ovce služe da se šišaju. :mrgreen:

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Post by Mecena » 11/10/2011 23:52

Gothic princess wrote:Ja ću jednog dana osnovati svoju religiju, kao što je onaj genije Ron Hubard osnovao scijentologiju i bit ću puuuno bogata. 8-) Ovce služe da se šišaju. :mrgreen:
Dobro, ti se zezaš i to je OK. Ali, ove organizacije se ne zezaju. One su sam dio mehanizma od kojih se stvaraju ljudi-klonovi-moroni, po mjeri korporacija i NWO-totalitarizma u nastanku.

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Post by Gothic princess » 11/10/2011 23:58

Većina ljudi ne koristi mozak. Kada se probude i počnu ga koristiti, NWO će biti srušen.

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Post by Alfons Kauders » 12/10/2011 00:47

Mecena wrote:
Gothic princess wrote:Ja ću jednog dana osnovati svoju religiju, kao što je onaj genije Ron Hubard osnovao scijentologiju i bit ću puuuno bogata. 8-) Ovce služe da se šišaju. :mrgreen:
Dobro, ti se zezaš i to je OK. Ali, ove organizacije se ne zezaju. One su sam dio mehanizma od kojih se stvaraju ljudi-klonovi-moroni, po mjeri korporacija i NWO-totalitarizma u nastanku.
u tom slucaju molim te obrazlozi po cemu se razlikuju novonastali vjerski pokreti, poput hubbardovih budaletina, od mainstream religija? :D

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#25 Re: Misionari u BiH

Post by Mecena » 12/10/2011 04:51

Alfons Kauders wrote:
u tom slucaju molim te obrazlozi po cemu se razlikuju novonastali vjerski pokreti, poput hubbardovih budaletina, od mainstream religija? :D
Što bi rek'o običan sv'jet, nije him centrala u džehenemu.

(p.s.

Inkompatibilnost Kauderse, inkompatibilnost. "Tranzicija" je sveobuhvatan projekat. Ona je upitna ako od Srbina ne dobiješ - Jehovinog svjedoka, od Bošnjaka - proizraelskog "hrišćanina" i od katolika - mormona. Pa da onda zajedno, zombirani, bauljaju opustejlom Bosnom, iščekujući da Bog "sađe sa nebesa".)
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