Bashar Al Asad .mirsek wrote: I dobro sta su ti nenormalni moroni kod ajatolaha uradili lose u svijetu ?
Hezbolah.
Hamas.
Negiranje Izraelu prava da postoji.
Al to su sve "dobre" stvari za tebe pretpostavljam.
Bashar Al Asad .mirsek wrote: I dobro sta su ti nenormalni moroni kod ajatolaha uradili lose u svijetu ?
I to je to... ? Pa oni su vrhunski humanisti u odnosu na Amere, Cioniste i Saude. S tim da podrska Hezbollahu uopste ne smatram nekom manom, djelomicno manom podrska hamasu i djelomicno mana negiranje ovakvom izrahellu da postoji. Jedino podrska Assadu je losa ali to je biranje manjeg zla zbog toga sto ako padna Assad, pada i Hezbollah a naredni na redu je i sam Iran.jeza u ledja wrote:Bashar Al Asad .mirsek wrote: I dobro sta su ti nenormalni moroni kod ajatolaha uradili lose u svijetu ?
Hezbolah.
Hamas.
Negiranje Izraelu prava da postoji.
Al to su sve "dobre" stvari za tebe pretpostavljam.
Pa pitao si sta su lose uradili po svijetu, kao da su neki miroljupci.Kurce se, ko i ostali, bodu se rogatim. Sami su izabrali svoj put.mirsek wrote: I to je to... ? Pa oni su vrhunski humanisti u odnosu na Amere, Cioniste i Saude. S tim da podrska Hezbollahu uopste ne smatram nekom manom, djelomicno manom podrska hamasu i djelomicno mana negiranje ovakvom izrahellu da postoji. Jedino podrska Assadu je losa ali to je biranje manjeg zla zbog toga sto ako padna Assad, pada i Hezbollah a naredni na redu je i sam Iran.
nesrećo...Fudo387 wrote:Pa niko ni ne poredi tu zaostalu prciju sa najvecom vojnom i ekonomskom silom koja je bitisala na dunjaluku.ioannes wrote:vrlo perfidan pokušaj izvrtanja činjenica i relativizacije krivice. Iran je za razliku od USA uzor gledajući međunarodne odnose i međunarodno pravo.Fudo387 wrote:
Ne mrcvare njih Ameri, koliko ih mrcvari ta grupa zaosinutih ajatolaha koji nikako da skontaju u kojem mileniju zive. Nema ni srece, ni napretka u toj represiji.
Vrti se u krug, od danas do sutra, dok se bas skroz nekom na hargiju ne popnes, i sljustri te k’o da te nibog nije dao.
To tamo je sve go’ blentov.
iranski narod odlučuje sam o uređenju svoje zemlje.
Brini se ti o represiji i suzbivanju demokratije u svojoj državi a manje u tuđim državama
Vi ste ti koji ih nagovaraju da se porede, pa kad ljudi dobiju fasungu, ponudicete im, sta? Rame za plakanje i par srceparajucih postova o sveCkim nepravdama na nekom znj forumu?
Booo hoooo...et, dobri ste ljudi. Osjetljivi.
Al dobro, izrahell vec to demonstrira decenijama. Hocemo li ih kazniti ili sta fali da se dva zla Iran i izrahell porokaju ?славянин wrote:Sudeci na to kako tretiraju vlastiti narod tj. vjersku drzavu koju su napravili + rezanje na Izrael i konstantno ocekivanje da uniste isti mi govori da u slucaju da su dovoljno mocni vrlo brzo bi manifestovali demokratiju i ljudska prava![]()
To je ta poznata osovina cvijeca Teheran-Damask-Moskva
Pa gde si bio kad smo knez mihajlovu renovirali?ioannes wrote: nesrećo...
nisi u dječjem vrtiću ili u osnovnoj školi da dijeliš fasunge i tučeš se. Humani odnosi u svijetu se mogu postići samo ako se poštiva međunarodno pravo. To je jedino moralno mjerilo. Iran je tu uzor nasuprot zločinačko imperijalne administracije.
Jes ali u Izraelu zivi isto tako milion i pol Arapa,imaju sekularno-zapadno uredjenje.Izrael je drzava sa zapadnim uredjenjem pa i kulturom opcom okruzen Arapskim drzavama koje vode porodice,diktatori,kraljevi sve uz opsteprisutno uplitanje religijskih institucija u drzavu i njeno uredjivanje - imas plemenski mentalitet arapa tako da Izraelu i nije tesko da sprovodi svoje kako oce...mirsek wrote:Al dobro, izrahell vec to demonstrira decenijama. Hocemo li ih kazniti ili sta fali da se dva zla Iran i izrahell porokaju ?славянин wrote:Sudeci na to kako tretiraju vlastiti narod tj. vjersku drzavu koju su napravili + rezanje na Izrael i konstantno ocekivanje da uniste isti mi govori da u slucaju da su dovoljno mocni vrlo brzo bi manifestovali demokratiju i ljudska prava![]()
To je ta poznata osovina cvijeca Teheran-Damask-Moskva
Ma jest djavla, prije ce u one pussy riot nego u iran, al haj sad.insomnia78 wrote:Salik vec pod sljemom. Ceka
Kako stupise ove sankcije nesto otanja na forumu, da nisu stegli pipu oni iz kulturnog centrajeza u ledja wrote:Fakat gdje nam je salik, jel to opsadno stanje u Kulturnom centru?
Argumenti su isti kao kod onih koji tvrde da Garda nema motive da ovo napravi, za razliku od tebe koji tvrdiš da imaju. Međutim, CNN ne pominje mogućnost da iza ove opake provokacije može da stoji Izrael.jeza u ledja wrote:I evo bas da vidim sta CNN pise o ovome, i na naslovnoj ovaj naslov:
I evo tekst:Iran will get the blame, but the Gulf of Oman truth is likely a lot murkier
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/13/middleea ... index.html(CNN)As the plumes rise from a brazen attack in the Gulf of Oman, oil brokers and diplomats are panicking about another lurch toward confrontation In the Middle East.
What happened is fairly clear -- two tankers were struck as they sailed through this busy and strategic shipping lane -- but why it happened and who did it is a lot less easy to explain, not least because it doesn't appear to benefit any of the protagonists in the region.
The Japanese owned Kokuka Corageous tanker briefly caught fire when it was twice attacked with "some kind of shell," its owner said. One of its 21-strong Filipino crew was injured.
The crew of the Bermuda-owned Front Altair's all escaped unharmed when it too was hit by a blast. The Fifth Fleet's USS Bainbridge was nearby and responded to a distress call received at 6.12 am local time and then another 48 minutes later. It picked up 21 sailors from the Kokuka and is getting a wider view of the scene from a P8 Navy surveillance aircraft.
With the rescue operation over, questions have turned to why anyone would do this. That's not as not as straightforward to answer as it looks.
Inevitably, similarities have been drawn between Thursday's attacks and events a month ago, when four ships were targeted near the Emirati port of Furajah. For that, officials in Washington and beyond pointed the finger at Iran.
But Thursday's incident is significantly more blatant. Yet the same officials will doubtless blame Tehran again. If and when that happens, we should remember US National Security Advisor John Bolton promised to present evidence to the UN Security Council backing up those previous claims, but has yet to do so.
Who stands to gain?
The Russians like to ask: "Who did it benefit?" when the unexpected strikes, and this question is useful now.
Iran doesn't appear to have a lot to gain. Say what you like about Tehran's malicious intent, these incidents heighten the global drumbeat for greater isolation and boosts those who seek to apply military pressure on Iran. Its economy is in a bad condition. Before President Donald Trump pulled the US out of the JCPOA (colloquially known as the Iran nuclear deal), Tehran was at its peak of regional influence. With diminished economic resources, its potency is likely to wane.
The incidents also came in the middle of a visit to Tehran by Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, apparently trying to mediate over the nuclear deal (although Tokyo says he's not an envoy for Washington). The apparent attacks eclipsed the Abe visit, an unexpected bit of outreach to Iran by someone Trump calls a friend.
You could make a case for Iranian hardliners staging such an attack to derail peace efforts. But Iran's hardliners -- particularly the Revolutionary Guard -- are normally a little smarter than to bomb international shipping lanes during a crucial diplomatic meeting. Iran's chief moderate, Foreign Minister Javid Zarif, was right to point out that "suspicious doesn't begin to describe what likely transpired this morning." When one party is so easily blamed, it is likely blameless, or unfathomably stupid.
What else? Reuters has reported that Tehran has been scaling up its remaining petrochemical exports ahead of tightening sanctions. Could it be looking to boost the price of oil? Maybe. But at the same time, the shipping of that same oil is going to be disrupted, so they would likely lose out all the same. It is hard to imagine an Iranian hardliner smart enough to pull this sort of apparent attack off, without also realizing they would get immediately collared.
So what about the conspiracy theory, that Saudi Arabia also seeks confrontation and higher oil prices, and would therefore permit such an attack to further its own agenda? An equally obvious explanation, it's tough sell, too. And were such a plot uncovered, the damage to Saudi Arabia's already beleaguered reputation in the Beltway could be terminal.
Some 20% of the world's oil goes through the Strait of Hormuz, and that includes a lot of Saudi exports. You might argue that at $62 a barrel (the price of Brent crude after Thursday's incidents caused a 3% spike), oil is quite cheap and can take more of a knocking. But in the long term it's unlikely the Saudis would want the Gulf's shipping lanes to be regarded as unsafe.
If this gets worse and the US military finds itself dragged into protecting shipping in Hormuz, Riyadh's relationship the Trump administration -- which sought to get out of foreign entanglements rather than get into them -- would be tested.
There are few easy facts here, as there are few easy culprits. But the sense of uncertainty stokes rather than dampens the fears of mismanagement and conflict.
Znaci doslovce pisu iste stvari o kojima mi ovdje nagadjamo. CNN je pojam MSM medija.
I neki i dalje ovdje zamisljaju da nam otvaraju oci.
Zato si ti pametan pa da tebe slusamo.Challenger_ wrote:CNN glupani jedino logično pitanje - ko profitira iz ovoga, pripisuje ruskoj logici a logika nije vlasništvo Rusa već svih pametnih ljudi. Glupani, nesvjesno, komplimentiraju Rusima.
Dakle, "who did it benefit"?
1. Izrael. Ima motiva i kapacitete za ovakvu operaciju;
2. Fragmenti Duboke države USA, ili kako to Jež definiše - nedržavni američki elementi.
3. KSA, koja nema kapaciteta ali ima motiv i novac da ovo naruči.
Nije isključena ni kombinacija sva tri elementa ali šesto čulo mi govori da krivca treba tražiti pod jedan i dva, samostalno ili kombinovano.
Russinas like to ask.Challenger_ wrote:To je pitanje, doslovan citat CNN-a.
Drž' se ti kamena s ramena.
Challenger_ wrote: Argumenti su isti kao kod onih koji tvrde da Garda nema motive da ovo napravi, za razliku od tebe koji tvrdiš da imaju.
Citat iz tog clanka. Prema tome kao sto vidis to ne iskljucuju kao mogucnost, a niti kao moguci logican razlog. Samo je pitanje o kolikoj se kolicini gluposti radi.You could make a case for Iranian hardliners staging such an attack to derail peace efforts. But Iran's hardliners -- particularly the Revolutionary Guard -- are normally a little smarter than to bomb international shipping lanes during a crucial diplomatic meeting.....
When one party is so easily blamed, it is likely blameless, or unfathomably stupid.