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#1 Imam Mehdi, Dabiq i prorocanstva u Islamu

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Kako pratim situaciju na bliskom istoku cesto naletim na clanke o prorocanstvima vezanim za siriju, irak, jemen,...evo nekih isjecaka, licno ne vjerujem, ali zanimljivo u svakom slucaju :wink:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/ ... 3420140401
Among those many thousands of sayings, or hadith, are accounts which refer to the confrontation of two huge Islamic armies in Syria, a great battle near Damascus, and intervention from the north and west of the country.
"If you think all these mujahideen came from across the world to fight Assad, you're mistaken," said a Sunni Muslim jihadi who uses the name Abu Omar and fights in one of the many anti-Assad Islamist brigades in Aleppo.

"They are all here as promised by the Prophet. This is the war he promised - it is the Grand Battle," he told Reuters, using a word which can also be translated as slaughter.

On the other side, many Shi'ites from Lebanon, Iraq and Iran are drawn to the war because they believe it paves the way for the return of Imam Mahdi - a descendent of the Prophet who vanished 1,000 years ago and who will re-emerge at a time of war to establish global Islamic rule before the end of the world.

According to Shi'ite tradition, an early sign of his return came with the 1979 Iranian revolution, which set up an Islamic state to provide fighters for an army led by the Mahdi to wage war in Syria after sweeping through the Middle East.

"This Islamic Revolution, based on the narratives that we have received from the prophet and imams, is the prelude to the appearance of the Mahdi," Iranian cleric and parliamentarian Ruhollah Hosseinian said last year.

He cited comments by an eighth century Shi'ite imam who said another sign of the Mahdi's return would be a battle involving warriors fighting under a yellow banner - the color associated with Lebanon's pro-Assad Hezbollah militia.
Hadith on both sides mention Syria as a main battlefield, naming cities and towns where blood will be spilled.

Hundreds of thousands of people will be killed. The whole region will be shaken from the Arabian Peninsula to Iraq, Iran and Jerusalem, according to some texts.

Saudi Arabia will collapse. Almost every country in the Middle East will face unrest. One statement says "blood will reach knee-level".

A widely circulated hadith attributed to Mohammad says Sham, or Syria, is God's favored land. Asked where the next jihad will be, he replies: "Go for Sham, and if you can't, go for Yemen ...(though) God has guaranteed me Sham and its people."
Murtada, a 27-year-old Lebanese Shi'ite who regularly goes to Syria to battle against the rebels, says he is not fighting for Assad, but for the Mahdi, also known as the Imam.

"Even if I am martyred now, when he appears I will be reborn to fight among his army, I will be his soldier," he told Reuters in Lebanon.

Murtada, who has fought in Damascus and in the decisive battle last year for the border town of Qusair, leaves his wife and two children when he goes to fight in Syria: "Nothing is more precious than the Imam, even my family. It is our duty."
izvor: Reuters
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http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-is- ... me-2014-10
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/ryan-m ... -prophecy/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30083303
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Muslimani su danas opsednuti ovakvim prorocanstvima, te Mehdijem kao velikim spasiocem. Umesto da se resavaju problemi.
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Misli se da je pocela Malhama? Gdje je Antikrist?
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zijancer wrote:Misli se da je pocela Malhama? Gdje je Antikrist?
sta kaze simpaticni cikica? :)
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how about sta kazu ostali izvori? :P
What exactly will happen when Moshiach comes?
Maimonides states in his Mishneh Torah—a compendium of the entire halachic tradition—that Moshiach will first rebuild the Temple and then gather in the exiles. Jerusalem and the Temple will be the focus of divine worship, and “from Zion shall go forth Torah, and the word of the L‑rd from Jerusalem.”

The Sanhedrin—the supreme Jewish law court of 71 sages—will be re-established, and will decide on all matters of law. At this time, all Jews will return to full Torah observance and practice. It should be noted that in this present age of great assimilation and emancipation, an unprecedented return of Jews to true Torah values has taken place. This “baal teshuvah” phenomenon is on the increase, and paves the way for a full return in the messianic era.

Will miracles happen?
The Talmud discusses this question and again arrives at the conclusion that, if we are meritorious, the messianic redemption will be accompanied by miracles. However, the realization of the messianic dream, even if it takes place naturally, will be the greatest miracle.

According to some traditions, G‑d Himself will rebuild the third Temple. According to others, it will be rebuilt by Moshiach; still others suggest a combination of the two opinions. Some suggest that there will be two distinct periods in the messianic era: first a non-miraculous period, leading into a second, miraculous period.
What will become of the world as we know it?
Initially, there will be no change in the world order, other than its readiness to accept messianic rule. All the nations of the world will strive to create a new world order, in which there will be no more wars or conflicts. Jealousy, hatred, greed and political strife (of the negative kind) will disappear, and all human beings will strive only for goodness, kindness and peace.

In the messianic era there will be great advances in technology, allowing a high standard of living. Food will be plentiful and cheap.

However, the focus of human aspiration will be the pursuit of the “knowledge of G‑d.” People will become less materialistic and more spiritual
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zijancer wrote:Misli se da je pocela Malhama? Gdje je Antikrist?

Antikrist ti je u Vatikanu, a Dedžal u Mekki. Imaš li još pitanja ?
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ja ne, ali ako ti imas jos koje objasnjenje ovih holivudskih dogadaja, samo raspali
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zijancer wrote:ja ne, ali ako ti imas jos koje objasnjenje ovih holivudskih dogadaja, samo raspali

Ništa. Kupi kokice i gledaj.
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asurbanipal wrote:
zijancer wrote:Misli se da je pocela Malhama? Gdje je Antikrist?

Antikrist ti je u Vatikanu, a Dedžal u Mekki. Imaš li još pitanja ?
da samo dodam lokacije ostatka ekipe
Isa a.s. na nebu, a Mehdi u Teheranu
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Dolazak Dedzala...

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statixx wrote:Dolazak Dedzala...

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kritichar wrote:
asurbanipal wrote:
zijancer wrote:Misli se da je pocela Malhama? Gdje je Antikrist?

Antikrist ti je u Vatikanu, a Dedžal u Mekki. Imaš li još pitanja ?
da samo dodam lokacije ostatka ekipe
Isa a.s. na nebu, a Mehdi u Teheranu
Nijedan ti nije promak'o :lol:
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Vjerujes li u dolazak Dedzdzala, @Kroskice? :D
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Towelie wrote:Muslimani su danas opsednuti ovakvim prorocanstvima, te Mehdijem kao velikim spasiocem. Umesto da se resavaju problemi.
naravno da vehabije ne vjeruju u Imama Mehdija, kako i bi kad negiraju Poslanika a.s.
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Diwan wrote:
Towelie wrote:Muslimani su danas opsednuti ovakvim prorocanstvima, te Mehdijem kao velikim spasiocem. Umesto da se resavaju problemi.
naravno da vehabije ne vjeruju u Imama Mehdija, kako i bi kad negiraju Poslanika a.s.
Ovo zaista nije tacno. Poznajem neke vehabije, apsolutno niko ne negira dolazak Mehdija.
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asurbanipal wrote:
zijancer wrote:Misli se da je pocela Malhama? Gdje je Antikrist?

Antikrist ti je u Vatikanu, a Dedžal u Mekki. Imaš li još pitanja ?
A ko je onda kod nas? :lol:
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Kad smo kod drugih izvora vezanih za prorocanstva o Siriji navodno cuvena prorocica baba vanga je nekad sredinom 80-ih na pitanje kad ce kraj svijeta odgovorila nece jos sirija jos nije pala na ovo sam naletio sasvim slucajno nije da vjerujem u kojekakve babe gatare, ali eto zanimljivo
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walter kurtz wrote:Kad smo kod drugih izvora vezanih za prorocanstva o Siriji navodno cuvena prorocica baba vanga je nekad sredinom 80-ih na pitanje kad ce kraj svijeta odgovorila nece jos sirija jos nije pala na ovo sam naletio sasvim slucajno nije da vjerujem u kojekakve babe gatare, ali eto zanimljivo
I ja dosta istražujem ta proročanstva, konačan obračun, kosmička borba Dobra i Zla. Proteže se to hiljadama godina, kroz razne mitove, religije, sekte. Svaka ima neko svoje tumačenje, a u konačnici cilj i suština su isti...
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fatamorgana wrote:
asurbanipal wrote:
zijancer wrote:Misli se da je pocela Malhama? Gdje je Antikrist?

Antikrist ti je u Vatikanu, a Dedžal u Mekki. Imaš li još pitanja ?
A ko je onda kod nas? :lol:

Ima jedan AntiKrist, evo piše ovdje na forumu. Ne znam je li lažni ili pravi. :mrgreen:

http://forum.klix.ba/privatizacija-elek ... 93s25.html
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asurbanipal wrote:
walter kurtz wrote:Kad smo kod drugih izvora vezanih za prorocanstva o Siriji navodno cuvena prorocica baba vanga je nekad sredinom 80-ih na pitanje kad ce kraj svijeta odgovorila nece jos sirija jos nije pala na ovo sam naletio sasvim slucajno nije da vjerujem u kojekakve babe gatare, ali eto zanimljivo
I ja dosta istražujem ta proročanstva, konačan obračun, kosmička borba Dobra i Zla. Proteže se to hiljadama godina, kroz razne mitove, religije, sekte. Svaka ima neko svoje tumačenje, a u konačnici cilj i suština su isti...
Mada nema tu neke misterije Damask kao najstariji jos uvijek naseljeni grad na svijetu pogotovo u doba nastanka prorocanstava bio je doslovno centar i jedan od najvaznijih gradova svijeta da je mene neko pitao prije par hiljada godina gdje ce biti pozornica kraja svijeta rekao bih damask bagdad ili jeruzalem
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walter kurtz wrote: Mada nema tu neke misterije Damask kao najstariji jos uvijek naseljeni grad na svijetu pogotovo u doba nastanka prorocanstava bio je doslovno centar i jedan od najvaznijih gradova svijeta da je mene neko pitao prije par hiljada godina gdje ce biti pozornica kraja svijeta rekao bih damask bagdad ili jeruzalem

Meni se što se tiče historije gradova sa Damaskom ne može mjeriti nijedan grad. To je neko moje subjektivno mišljenje. Sama zemlja, a i grad imaju fascinantnu historiju, staru hiljadama godina, stjecište su različitih civilizacija, kultura i religija. Sam Damask ili kako ga Arapi zovu Madīnat al-Yasmin je jedan od najstarijih naseljenih gradova u kontinuitetu. Arheološko karbonsko datiranje Tall Ramada, na periferiji Damaska, sugerira da je to područje naseljeno još od druge polovine sedmog tisućljeća prije Krista, vjerojatno oko 6300 godina prije naše ere. Međutim, dokazi iz naselja u širem Barada bazenu datiraju čak do 9000 godina pr.n.e..Mislim da je Halep ili Alepo još stariji po tom pitanju od Damaska, arheološki nalazi datiraju i do 11.000 godina p.n.e. Sam naziv Damaska veže se za faraona Tuthmosisa III.

Kada su u pitanju monoteističke religije, islam, kršćanstvo, judaizam, su također vezane za ovaj grad i za njih ima veliku važnost. Dovoljno je reći da se smatra da se na obližnjoj planini Qasioun desilo prvo ubistvo, u kojem je Qābīl (Cain) ubio Hābīla ( Abel). Blizu Damaska se nalazi i turbe tj. mauzolej Habila.

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U Damasku se nalazio i Jupiterov hram, sagrađen za vrijeme rimskog imperatora Augustusa. Jupiter je inače bio vrhovno božanstvo rimske državne religije, zvali su ga "kralj bogova"

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U sklopu Emevijske džamije u Damasku nalazi se i turbe Jahja a.s. (u kršćanstvu mauzolej Ivana Krstitelja), koje obilaze i muslimani i kršćani. Herod Antipa, tetrarh Galileje i Pereje je naredio da se Ivanu Krstitelju odrubi glava.

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Također, u Damasku se nalazi i turbe Imama Huseina a.s., unuka Poslanika Muhammeda a.s., kojem je je odrubljena glava na Kerbeli i donijeta pred halifu Jezida, po čijem je naređenju i izvršen masakr na Kerbeli nad Poslanikovom a.s. porodicom. U gradu se nalazi i turbe Bilala Habešije iz Abesinije, koji je bio jedan od Poslanikovih a.s. ashaba.
Jedna od najstarijih ulica na svijetu nalazi se u tom gradu, u Bibliji spomenuta kao Via Recta.

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@Asur :thumbup:
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walter kurtz wrote:Kako pratim situaciju na bliskom istoku cesto naletim na clanke o prorocanstvima vezanim za siriju, irak, jemen,...evo nekih isjecaka, licno ne vjerujem, ali zanimljivo u svakom slucaju :wink:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/ ... 3420140401
Among those many thousands of sayings, or hadith, are accounts which refer to the confrontation of two huge Islamic armies in Syria, a great battle near Damascus, and intervention from the north and west of the country.
"If you think all these mujahideen came from across the world to fight Assad, you're mistaken," said a Sunni Muslim jihadi who uses the name Abu Omar and fights in one of the many anti-Assad Islamist brigades in Aleppo.

"They are all here as promised by the Prophet. This is the war he promised - it is the Grand Battle," he told Reuters, using a word which can also be translated as slaughter.

On the other side, many Shi'ites from Lebanon, Iraq and Iran are drawn to the war because they believe it paves the way for the return of Imam Mahdi - a descendent of the Prophet who vanished 1,000 years ago and who will re-emerge at a time of war to establish global Islamic rule before the end of the world.

According to Shi'ite tradition, an early sign of his return came with the 1979 Iranian revolution, which set up an Islamic state to provide fighters for an army led by the Mahdi to wage war in Syria after sweeping through the Middle East.

"This Islamic Revolution, based on the narratives that we have received from the prophet and imams, is the prelude to the appearance of the Mahdi," Iranian cleric and parliamentarian Ruhollah Hosseinian said last year.

He cited comments by an eighth century Shi'ite imam who said another sign of the Mahdi's return would be a battle involving warriors fighting under a yellow banner - the color associated with Lebanon's pro-Assad Hezbollah militia.
Hadith on both sides mention Syria as a main battlefield, naming cities and towns where blood will be spilled.

Hundreds of thousands of people will be killed. The whole region will be shaken from the Arabian Peninsula to Iraq, Iran and Jerusalem, according to some texts.

Saudi Arabia will collapse. Almost every country in the Middle East will face unrest. One statement says "blood will reach knee-level".

A widely circulated hadith attributed to Mohammad says Sham, or Syria, is God's favored land. Asked where the next jihad will be, he replies: "Go for Sham, and if you can't, go for Yemen ...(though) God has guaranteed me Sham and its people."
Murtada, a 27-year-old Lebanese Shi'ite who regularly goes to Syria to battle against the rebels, says he is not fighting for Assad, but for the Mahdi, also known as the Imam.

"Even if I am martyred now, when he appears I will be reborn to fight among his army, I will be his soldier," he told Reuters in Lebanon.

Murtada, who has fought in Damascus and in the decisive battle last year for the border town of Qusair, leaves his wife and two children when he goes to fight in Syria: "Nothing is more precious than the Imam, even my family. It is our duty."
izvor: Reuters
evo i jos nekliko drugih zanimljivih linkova na ovu temu
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... llers.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-is- ... me-2014-10
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/ryan-m ... -prophecy/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30083303

samo što ništa od ovog gore nema veze sa Imamom Mehdijem a.s.,

Imam Mehdi a.s. nema veze sa Sirijom,šijama,sunijama,'veliki ratom' i svim tim stvarima o kojima govori tekst.
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Towelie wrote:
Diwan wrote:
Towelie wrote:Muslimani su danas opsednuti ovakvim prorocanstvima, te Mehdijem kao velikim spasiocem. Umesto da se resavaju problemi.
naravno da vehabije ne vjeruju u Imama Mehdija, kako i bi kad negiraju Poslanika a.s.
Ovo zaista nije tacno. Poznajem neke vehabije, apsolutno niko ne negira dolazak Mehdija.
Pogrešno sam se izrazio, htio sam napisati munafici umjesto vehabija. Dakle, munafici su oni koji su se borili protiv Poslanika a.s., radili mu iza leđa, dok su cijelo to vrijeme bili 'muslimani'.

Ne može se očekivati od takih da prihvate Imama Mehdija a.s. i da vjeruju u Njegov dolazak, posebice ako je On potomak Poslanika a.s..
Možda ne bi bio toliko problem da nije potomak, da je neko 'običan', ali nemoj samo da ima veze sa Poslanikom a.s. i njegovom porodicom.

Današnji munafici su isti kao i oni iz prošlosti – slijede istu liniju, imaju istu ideologiju,iste pretke; dakle nema razlike između Muavije i današnjih muavija, koji su tu oko nas, vidljivi i nevidljivi, kriju svoje nevjerovanje i svoj munafikluk, pokrivaju ga 'vjerom'; nema razlike između njih i Hind; takvi bi sutra da im se ukaže prilika radili i po Bosni ono što rade četnici u Siriji – ubijali sve živo što se kreće i ko nije sa njima, i to ne ubijali u borbi i na častan, vojnički način, nego kukavički, demonski,četnički, kasapeći, koljući, silujući, spaljujući i mučeći.
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