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#1 Heroji Vojske Republike Srpske

Post by Liberalism » 26/12/2006 12:57

Citam sad pisma ovog pomahnitalog Dodika, i nesto mislim o njegovim komentarima kako su svi isti i slicna sranja, pa mi pade na pamet, gdje li su sada ratni heroji Vojske Republike Srpske koji bi trebali biti nesto slicno kao sto su Zlatni ljiljani Armije Republike Bosne i Hercegovine.

nesto slabo Dodik spominje svoje Ratne heroje, a s obzirom da smo po njemu svi isti, te da imaju tradiciju cuvanja sjecanja na svoje heroje, zapitah se zna li iko ista o Herojima VRS u proteklom ratu?

Nemojte samo odmah Hag i slicno, bas me interesuje imaju li oni takve nagrade i ako neko zna neki slucaj zbog cega je neko tu nagradu dobio?
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#2

Post by Murat Sabanovic » 26/12/2006 13:02

ratko mladic

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Post by Nekako s proljeća » 26/12/2006 13:16

:-)

Molim te mi objasni ,gdje si ti išao u školu, pa da na ovakav način ''ispišeš naslov teme''?!.
A o njenom smislu ili besmislu,... možda.

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#4

Post by Liberalism » 26/12/2006 13:23

Eto prepravio sam naslov. Sad imas li neki konkretan odgovor na pitanje koje je za mene interesatno?

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#5

Post by Liberalism » 26/12/2006 13:44

Nego zna li iko?

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Post by manijak1 » 26/12/2006 13:47

Pošalji pismo Dodiku :oops:

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Post by Nekako s proljeća » 26/12/2006 13:53

Provjerenih informacija o nekim odlikovanjima, koje bi mogli dobijati pripadnici vojske RS-a, nemam.Sigurno je da ih ima, pa i odredeni propisi koji ih prate, kako bi se nekome dodijelilo neko priznanje.Sigurno je da je u redovima vojske RS-e, bilo boraca koji su ratovali i poštovali pravila ratovanja, međunarodnog ratnog prava, ženevskih konvencija i sl.Ali takvi su u definitivno malom procentu, u odnosu na ostale pripadnike vojske RS-e,(razne paravojne i specijalne vojne, policijske i parapolicijske snage...)koji su svojim ne-djelima izvršili u toku agresije na Republiku Bosnu i Hercegovinu,nezapamćene zločine.Naravno, sistemski i sistematski, zarad i u ime svih Srba.

A Dodik bi, da ako već ne može da argumentovano ''izjednači sve tri strane'', odvoji u svom narodu ''žito od kukolja'', predstavljajući se kao ''žito''.

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Post by manijak1 » 26/12/2006 13:56

zar nisu svečano pratili svakog haškog optuženika kojeg su izvukli u ime opstanka RS-a?
zar dodik o državnim parama ne ide kod bilje?
zar je ikada iko nešto rekao da je to loše?

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Post by Liberalism » 26/12/2006 14:02

ratni zlocinci su potpuno drugo pitanje.

U Armiji BiH je neko dobio zlatnog ljiljana zato sto je unistio tenk ili napravio neki drugi podvig koji bi se mogao nazvati herojskim.

U kojim slucajevima je Heroj Vojske RS dobio odlikovanje Heroja ili ekvivalentno priznanje. Mora da su ga dodjeljivali jer po njima (Dodiku) sve tri strane su radile isto (i dobro i lose). mene interesuje sta li su oni smatrali po 'dobrim' te su na osnovu toga odlikovali svoje borce u ratu. Jos kad bi znali ko su ti njihovi heroji, znali bi i kakva su 'herojska djela' ucinili u ratu za Republiku Srpsku.

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Post by karanana » 26/12/2006 14:11

Joj ruznog foruma.

Pa kad se to kod nas spominju zlatni ljiljani zadnjih godina? Ja jedino cujem o njima kada ti jadni ljudi strajkuju i izadju pred skupstine trazeci svoja prava, a te nagrade ih sada manje interesuju.

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Post by muha_sa » 26/12/2006 14:13

Liberalism wrote:Nego zna li iko?
Vojo Maksimovic na nekom fakultetu predaje Marksizam.
Velibor Ostojic je u nakim novinama lektor.
Aleksa Buha ce u ambasadore--valja predstavljat BiH--bas ko sto je predstavljo i onaj Djogin spiker Dragan Bozanic.
ova sitna buranija u vecernje sate izlazi u Sarajevo--ima mnogo dobrih mjesta za izlazak.

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Post by Nekako s proljeća » 26/12/2006 14:17

papilon wrote:Naravno da postoje i takvi :D
http://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D1% ... 1%9B%D0%B0


Meni mrsko čitati, ali sam ga otvorila i ...ima nešto od toga što tebe interesuje.Pa bujrum, pronađi i za nas ostale :-D

http://www.vladars.net/pdf/Zakon_izdopPPBlat.pdf

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Post by Liberalism » 26/12/2006 14:35

Hvala.

Znaci ukratko:

Najveći orden RS dodjeljen:
Orden RS dodjeljen 1994 - Slobodanu Miloševiću

Orden Nemanjica (drugi po vaznosti orden RS)dodjeljen:
General VRS Momir Talić (osumnjiceni ratni zlocinac) i drugi je orden je dat posthumno Erbez Branku, koji vidim je srusen u posavini 11. juna 1992. izgleda da se u hrvatsko teretio za Ratne zločine, a unaprijeđen je od strane veljka Kadijevića u Novembru 1991.

Orden karadzorđeve zvijezde (treci po redu)
Opet general talic

Orden Miloša obilica su dobila nekolicina, al je prvi na listi neki Manda, evo mu nadjoh sliku, koja vjerujem govori puno o njemu (pogotovo mrtvacka glava)
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Interesatno. Ali zar imaju samo 10-tak heroja u ratu?

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Post by zavrzlama » 26/12/2006 15:16

Obim i kolicina zlocina koje su ucinili Karadzicevi cetnici su toliki da cak i srbi u BIH ne pokusavaju da se bave time da traze heroje u svojoj vojsci...oni bi najradije da se sve zaboravi,nista ne spominje i da se zivi kao da nije se nista u ratu desilo....s tim da se ne dira u rezultate tih zlocina...a to je ono sto je prepreka nekom pomirenju i normalnom zivotu u BIH...

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Post by Liberalism » 26/12/2006 15:26

Vjerujem da mnogi misle tako, al zasto onda svi sute kad Dodik kaze svi smo isti.

Ako Dodik misli da je Manda (ovaj gore njihov heroj sa slike) nesto sto bi trebao biti ekvivalent herojima Armije Republike Bosne i Hercegovine, onda bi se svi normalni ljudi prema nemu trebali postaviti potpuno drugacije. nema veze sto je on osvojio vlast u Republici Srpskoj, nema pravo da on postavlja nekog ko će govoriti u ime svih građana Bosne i Hercegovine (mislim na premijera Vijeća ministara).

Kakav kompromis sa ljudima koji tako vide stvari u ovoj zemlji. Opet dodjemo do medija i do politicara. Sve su to licemjeri od prvog do zadnjeg.

I pitamo se sto nam ide ovako... Kad vidim kako je Harisa i Alijine SDA-ovce strah Dodika, pomislim da im je zao sto je ovaj gore manda poginuo

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Post by MuaDib » 26/12/2006 16:39

Svi njihovi heruji su uglavnom ratni zločinci, a manjim dijelom žrtve Karadžićevog guranja svog naroda u rat. :roll:

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Post by tempora » 26/12/2006 16:49

Liberalism wrote:ratni zlocinci su potpuno drugo pitanje.

U Armiji BiH je neko dobio zlatnog ljiljana zato sto je unistio tenk ili napravio neki drugi podvig koji bi se mogao nazvati herojskim.

U kojim slucajevima je Heroj Vojske RS dobio odlikovanje Heroja ili ekvivalentno priznanje. Mora da su ga dodjeljivali jer po njima (Dodiku) sve tri strane su radile isto (i dobro i lose). mene interesuje sta li su oni smatrali po 'dobrim' te su na osnovu toga odlikovali svoje borce u ratu. Jos kad bi znali ko su ti njihovi heroji, znali bi i kakva su 'herojska djela' ucinili u ratu za Republiku Srpsku.
Vrlo vrlo upitno! Kako rece jedan vrli sarajevski komandant za jednog od svojih boraca:" Njegova jedina zasluga u ovom ratu je ta sto je ranio nasa dva borca!"

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Post by Bosanac_21 » 26/12/2006 16:53

Vazno je da su podigli spomenike u "oslobodilackom" ratu po vecini gradova koji se sad nalaze u rs-u. :roll:
Ne znam od koga su se oni to branili :?

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Post by Reina » 26/12/2006 17:06

manijak1 wrote:zar nisu svečano pratili svakog haškog optuženika kojeg su izvukli u ime opstanka RS-a?
zar dodik o državnim parama ne ide kod bilje?
zar je ikada iko nešto rekao da je to loše?
i cuj kaze nabrojte heroje nemojte ratne zlocince... "heroji" izbubaju daaanima, sa svim raspolozivim oruzjem, naravno sa pristojne distance,po stanovnistvu ali tako kao sto je govorio zlocinac mladic "da im se pamet razvuce" i onda ti nazovi "heroji" herojski ulaze u takva mjesta, prave herojska zvjerstva ne zapamcena na planeti zemlji, ubijaju, razdvajaju zene djecu pa jedne ubiju svirepo,ili streljaju a druge siluju. herojski nema sta i sve heroj do heroja... :oops: a onda ih herojski ispracaju u hag ... :oops:

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Post by danas » 26/12/2006 17:08

iz danasnjeg NY Timesa...
December 26, 2006
Trial Reveals How Serbian Fugitive Hid
By NICHOLAS WOOD

BELGRADE, Serbia — After 11 years, the hunt for Radovan Karadzic and Gen. Ratko Mladic may well be the most frustrating, infuriating and fruitless around.

The two, wanted for the most heinous crimes of Bosnia’s bloody civil war from 1992 to 1995, have managed to elude thousands of Western peacekeepers and local police forces with what is widely suspected to be the collusion of the Serbian military. Reality and myth have grown indistinguishable as stories have emerged of their possible hide-outs and of the failed attempts to track them down.

Now, for the first time, clear — even mundane — details of how General Mladic has managed to dodge arrest are emerging bit by bit in a Belgrade courtroom.

Until January this year, the general, the former commander of the Bosnian Serb army, was living in the Serbian capital protected by a network of former comrades in arms, according to testimony given during the trial of 11 people accused of helping to hide him.

Evidence at the trial describes an urban odyssey that started out with the general hiding in Belgrade’s best-known army barracks with the full knowledge of the army hierarchy, and then shows him being whisked away in a Yugo by bodyguards to a private apartment.

For a period of three and half years, the onetime Yugoslav Army officer — who is still regarded as a hero by many Serbs but is vehemently despised by the Bosnian Muslims he victimized — moved between six different addresses. He used some for days and others for months, before finally holing up in a Communist-era monolith for more than two years. There, prosecutors say, he was provided with a housekeeper, and groceries and phone cards were brought to his door.

Throughout, he seemed to have the protection of the army and state officials. At one point, he was offered plastic surgery and a false passport to help him flee the country, something he appears to have declined. To this day, he still eludes arrest.

General Mladic and Mr. Karadzic, the political leader of the Bosnian Serbs, were indicted at the end of the Bosnian war by the international war crimes tribunal for the former Yugoslavia for laying siege to Sarajevo and masterminding the massacre in 1995 in Srebrenica of more than 8,000 Muslim men and boys.

The trial of the 11 began in September, after intense international pressure on the Serbian government to prove it was trying to find General Mladic. Among the accused are the former leader of the general’s personal bodyguards as well as the head of Bosnian Serb military security during the war. Others in the dock include the owners of apartments prosecutors say he used, and a former Yugoslav Army helicopter pilot who acted as a chauffeur.

War crimes investigators familiar with the case say it stops short of indicting the people who could lead to his capture, and leaves unresolved many questions about the government’s involvement. No charges have been brought against the senior army officers or other government officials implicated by witnesses.

The Serbian Justice Ministry and state prosecutors have declined requests to be interviewed.

The case dates from May 2002, when prosecutors say General Mladic was being hidden in the Topcider Barracks in the heart of the exclusive Dedinje’ district, close to the former home of Slobodan Milosevic, the former Yugoslav president and onetime ally of the Bosnian Serb leadership.

According to Srboljub Nikolic, a former lieutenant colonel in charge of security at the barracks, General Mladic hid there in the complex until May 2002 with the full approval of Yugoslavia’s foremost military body, the Supreme Defense Council, which included Vojislav Kostunica, then president of Yuglosavia and now prime minister of Serbia.

In May 2002, the Yugoslav government signed an agreement of cooperation with the Hague tribunal, and the army decided General Mladic could no longer stay in the barracks, according to the prosecutors’ case and the testimony.

Rather than ensure his arrest as required by a recent court order, the army took steps to see that he was looked after by his own private security detail, the testimony indicated. General Mladic’s former head of military security, Marco Lugunja, and Jovan Djogo, the bodyguard, admitted helping him but insisted that doing so was not illegal. Mr. Lugunja said he put the general up in his apartment for four or five days. Mr. Djogo testified that he rented Apartment No. 20 at 118 Yuri Gagarin Street for 400 euros a month, about $520 dollars, high rent for the area.

The image of a man being ferried across Belgrade’s less than glamorous neighborhoods in the most ordinary of cars contrasts with that of the swaggering general that Serbs grew to know during the Bosnian war.

The building at 118 Yuri Gagarin lies in one of Belgrade’s most infamously drab housing complexes, where a series of identical concrete towers stretch for over a mile. During almost three years of use, until January of this year, prosecutors say the general came and went here as he pleased.

All the while, there is no record of anyone seeing him.

In the apartment across the poorly lighted corridor from No. 20, Miroslava Kovacevic, a retired factory clerk, described seeing a middle-aged couple come and go infrequently, but said she never spoke more than a few words to them. Most residents, she said, paid little attention to one another.

Another neighbor, Fahira Redzic, an elderly Bosnian Muslim, also recalled little of the resident at No. 20. “We didn’t know him,” Ms. Redzic said.

One Serbian analyst suggested that the lack of sightings reflected a lack of interest in the general’s fate, partly because he represented an era many Serbs would prefer to forget and possibly because he was still supported by high-level officials.

“I don’t think anybody would call the police if they saw him,” said Dejan Anastasijevic, a security analyst with the weekly magazine Vreme. “Nobody is sure who is still behind him in the government. In that situation, the best thing is to do nothing.”

“If anyone called the police, I’m not sure they would come,” he added.

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Post by Reina » 26/12/2006 17:14

cuj jos da ih pominje pa gOnjaju ih po AmeriKi i hvataju ko miseve , e neka i napokon i takvi "heroji"vise nisu
nisu nigdje "mirni"
$&%&% :oops:

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Post by Oceania » 26/12/2006 17:17

tempora wrote:
Liberalism wrote:ratni zlocinci su potpuno drugo pitanje.

U Armiji BiH je neko dobio zlatnog ljiljana zato sto je unistio tenk ili napravio neki drugi podvig koji bi se mogao nazvati herojskim.

U kojim slucajevima je Heroj Vojske RS dobio odlikovanje Heroja ili ekvivalentno priznanje. Mora da su ga dodjeljivali jer po njima (Dodiku) sve tri strane su radile isto (i dobro i lose). mene interesuje sta li su oni smatrali po 'dobrim' te su na osnovu toga odlikovali svoje borce u ratu. Jos kad bi znali ko su ti njihovi heroji, znali bi i kakva su 'herojska djela' ucinili u ratu za Republiku Srpsku.
Vrlo vrlo upitno! Kako rece jedan vrli sarajevski komandant za jednog od svojih boraca:" Njegova jedina zasluga u ovom ratu je ta sto je ranio nasa dva borca!"
:? :? ???????????????

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Post by Gnjuscic » 26/12/2006 17:55

Vojvoda Mando iz Ugljevika, poginuo u saobracajki kod Race, 2002 ili 2003.

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Post by brdo » 26/12/2006 20:09

Liberalism wrote:Hvala.

Znaci ukratko:

Najveći orden RS dodjeljen:
Orden RS dodjeljen 1994 - Slobodanu Miloševiću

Orden Nemanjica (drugi po vaznosti orden RS)dodjeljen:
General VRS Momir Talić (osumnjiceni ratni zlocinac) i drugi je orden je dat posthumno Erbez Branku, koji vidim je srusen u posavini 11. juna 1992. izgleda da se u hrvatsko teretio za Ratne zločine, a unaprijeđen je od strane veljka Kadijevića u Novembru 1991.

Orden karadzorđeve zvijezde (treci po redu)
Opet general talic

Orden Miloša obilica su dobila nekolicina, al je prvi na listi neki Manda, evo mu nadjoh sliku, koja vjerujem govori puno o njemu (pogotovo mrtvacka glava)
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Interesatno. Ali zar imaju samo 10-tak heroja u ratu?
zar taj papak zasluzuje da ga vide cak na internetu .njega bi u sumu kao sto je i navikao divljak ili svinja

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