Erdogan u Sarajevu

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Od Turske

Ocekujem podrsku pri pridruzivanju u NATO
13
12%
Ocekujem investicije u poljo privredu
6
5%
Ocekujem daljnju podrsku u razvitku vojne industrije
6
5%
Ocekujem podrsku u neku drugu industrijsku granu
4
4%
Ocekujem podrsku u razvitku obrazovanja i medicine
2
2%
Ocekujem podrsku u vidu vojnih donacija kao u slucaju Albanije i Kosova
1
1%
Ocekujem samo verbalnu podrsku
27
24%
Ne ocekujem nista sto vec nije bilo
52
47%
 
Total votes: 111

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reis1
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#301 Re: Erdogan u Sarajevu

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Ocekujem daljnju podrsku u razvitku vojne industrije.

Bliski istok je veliko trziste bilo, jeste, i bice za ove vrste proizvoda. A 55% namjenske industrije ex-SFRJ je bilo stacionirano u BiH. Mislim da ovdje postoji realna sansa da to malo zivne.


Off: Prije 20 godina Turci su poceli razvijati ili "razvijati" VBR koji veoma-veoma podsjeca na Orkan koji je sklapan u Bratstvu u NT i nazvali su ga TOROS, 260mm Bosnia, a 230mm Kosovo. Po mom misljenju je dokumentaciju neko iz BiH odnio u Tursku, i oni su to dodatno unaprijedili. A jednog od nesklopljenih Orkana u BNT-u su zaplijenili Englezi kada je IFOR usao u BiH, tako da je mozda i to na kraju zavrsilo u Turskoj. Tako da Orkan, kao mozda u top 3 proizvoda ex-Yu namjenske, i dalje zivi... ustvari jedini koji je prezivio.

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Uh kada bi se tu mogla organizirati neka licencna proizvodnja, dijelova ili raketa za taj sistem u UNIS-ovoj grupaciji, to bi bilo pravi buuum!
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reis1
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#302 Re: Erdogan u Sarajevu

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Probably the most controversial and popular project of SAGE is TOROS (Topcu Roketi Sistemi; Artillery Rocket System), which is a series of two artillery rockets: SAGE 230A (TOROS 230A) and SAGE 260A (TOROS 260A), 230mm and 260mm in diameter respectively. Often confused as a joint project with China and even with "Project J", TOROS, as well as SAGE 227 series of rockets, is an indigenous program of TUBITAK - SAGE.

TOROS project was started in 1995, again triggered by the failure of MLRS joint production program and frustration by the United States' reluctancy to share technology. Initially funded by TUBITAK's own budget, TOROS became a joint project of SAGE and MKEK in 1996. Preliminary design studies were completed in the same year and ground tests were conducted in 1997. The first tests of TOROS was conducted on 15 April 1999, involving firing of two SAGE 230A prototypes, designated as Bosna (Bosnia) and Kosova (Kosovo) from Sile test range to Black Sea. The tests were claimed to be extremely succesful, reportedly encouraging SAGE to proceed with the development of SAGE 260A. Following the test of SAGE 230A, TOROS project was revealed to public in late 1999. The first test of SAGE 260A took place on 10 February 2000, again in Sile test range and also with SAGE 230A firings, in front of press. These tests attracted considerable attention from both internal and international public.

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Interesantno meni je da su max domet rakete 260mm uspjeli povecati na 110km, za razliku od Originalnog Orkana 262mm koji je imao max domet 50km.
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#303 Re: Erdogan u Sarajevu

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Tužno je vidjeti kada u BiH dođu raznorazni 'zvaničnici' iz Hrvatske, Srbije i, u ovom slučaju, Turske (ovo je možda i najgori primjer) i kada se pokaže kako je 'podanički mentalitet' za puno ljudi ovdje nažalost istinita sintagma. Treba imati malo više dostojanstva.
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#304 Re: Erdogan u Sarajevu

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Evo zore, evo dana
evo babe Erdogana :lol:
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#305 Re: Erdogan u Sarajevu

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Avangardno wrote:Koliko je ovo tacno? Svasta je ovdje napisano, a ne znam kako provjeriti sta je suplja sta istina.

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Uzmimo da je tačno sve. Šta ima od toga Bosna kad lijepo piše da je izgradio pola Turske a ne Bosne ? :lol:

Činjenica je da prijateljstvo sa Turskom se ogleda u privatiziranim i ekonomskim odnosima Izetbegovića i SDA, što su im stvorili privid da svi Bošnjaci podržavaju u svemu Turke, Tursku i islam a više - manje većinu Bošnjaka zaboli neka stvar za Turskom. Ko od nas hoce da se seli tamo, da tamo živi i radi ? Pa mi kad idemo onda se selimo u Austriju, Njemačku, Švicarsku, Skandinaviju, Ameriku itd ... jer se bolje snalazimo u zapadnoeuropskom okruženju i koliko god nas pokušavali svrstati u taj Istočno blok mi u realnosti više naginjemo Zapadu a činjenica je da Zapad ulaže u nas dok je sa Turskom sadaka i vazalni odnos.
Trebamo se mi okrenuti što više Austriji, Njemačkoj i Americi pa ćete vidjeti kako nema zajebancije više s Bosnom i Bošnjama. Pogledajte samo Albance i njihov odnos sa Amerikom. Zemlja im se razvija, polako ali se razvija. Dobili Kosovo, ne smije im niko reći ništa u regionu.

Turska i Erdogan samo bacaju neke izjave, dižu tenzije u BiH i rade na bošnjačkom radikalizmu a kad zagusti gdje je Turska a gdje je Bosna ?
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#306 Re: Erdogan u Sarajevu

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VCorp wrote: Turska i Erdogan samo bacaju neke izjave, dižu tenzije u BiH i rade na bošnjačkom radikalizmu a kad zagusti gdje je Turska a gdje je Bosna ?

Hahah. Tako ti je od 1737. godine... :mrgreen:
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#307 Re: Erdogan u Sarajevu

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neretvanac wrote:
Ludzak wrote:Današnje Bošnjake je glupo upoređivati sa starim Bošnjacima. Stari Bošnjaci ili Bošnjani su znali šta su i gdje su. Ovi današnji Bošnjacu su ništa drugo nego Alijini neoosmanski Bošnjaci koji svršavaju na spomen Osmanskog c. i Turske. Jednostavno, današnji Bošnjaci ne znaju ni ko su, ni šta su.

A što se tiče investicija iz Turske, tu će biti samo na džamije kao što su dosada radili. Fabrika, boljitka, povećane ekonomije biti neće.
Bosnjacki identitet kakav ga poznajemo danas je obiljezen osmanskom tradicijom. Ti iz svoje koze ne mozes izaci, koliko god to htio mozda.
I sta fali obnovi dzamija?
A sad, par starih slika Sarajeva, koje svjedoce kako su stari Bosnjaci bili gnusni mrzitelji osmanskog naslijedja, jelte.

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Većina Bošnjaka su volili okupatore, zašto bi to i Osmmalije bile posebne ?? Bošnjaci su bili robovi i Austrougarima, i Osmanlijama, i komunistima, i dan danas smo robovi.
O obnovi džamija ne fali ništa, samo ne vidim tu nekakav prosperitet. :cry: Ionako su nam džamije većinom poluprazne. Više džamija nego muslimana.
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#308 Re: Erdogan u Sarajevu

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Ono je bio festival kiča i turbo folka. Baš kao što odu na teferič tako su onaj dan razvili turske zastave, primitivci mahom nepismeni ljudi koji su dobili instrukcije od SDA i njima bliskim ljudima.

Vjerujem da smo jedina zemlja na svijetu koja ovako veliča svog okupatora. Pri tome malo ko od ovih primitivaca i sveznalica koji se mahom vrte oko SDA zna malo ili nikako o Husein Gradaščeviću.

Ah da gledaj čuda, Gradaščevića prodaše hercegovci ko što će ova naša hercegovačka struja u SDA da nas utrpa turcima.
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#309 Re: Erdogan u Sarajevu

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Dark Clouds Over Turkey



With two weeks to go before a crucial parliamentary election in Turkey, tensions are rising and some critics of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan fear a new crackdown is starting to ensure that his Justice and Development Party wins. That kind of brute manipulation of the political process would be a serious mistake, further weakening the country’s battered democracy and tainting whatever victory might emerge.

After more than a decade of amassing power as Turkey’s leader, Mr. Erdogan could be on the verge of realizing his dream of changing the Constitution to make the president, rather than the prime minister, the leading political authority. His party, known as A.K.P., would have to win 330 seats in Parliament on June 7 — a three-fifths majority — to take a proposed constitutional change to a referendum.

The party won only 326 seats in the last election in 2011, and on Friday Reuters reported that the most recent poll by the research firm Konda suggests that support for A.K.P. has declined.

Mr. Erdogan has a long history of intimidating and co-opting the Turkish media, but new alarms were set off this week when criminal complaints were filed against editors of the Hurriyet Daily News and its website over a headline Mr. Erdogan had objected to. Referring to the verdict in the case of Mohamed Morsi, the deposed president of Egypt, it read: “The world is shocked! Death sentence for president who received 52 percent of the vote.”

Mr. Erdogan, according to Today’s Zaman, said the headline suggested that he could face the same penalty; Mr. Erdogan was also elected with 52 percent of the vote in 2014. Not only is the accusation distorted and absurd; it is a slap at the idea that Turkey is still a democracy.

A lawyer and A.K.P. supporter, Rahmi Kurt, had asked prosecutors to investigate the Hurriyet editors, accusing them of “inciting people to armed rebellion against the government” and requested their arrest. Since the complaints were made, there has been no arrest. In a statement, the Turkish Journalists’ Association faulted the government for equating journalism with terrorism and said the move against the newspaper was a “new blow to press freedom and free speech.”

On Monday the prosecutor in Ankara called for a ban on several opposition media outlets associated with the Islamic cleric Fethullah Gulen, a former ally of Mr. Erdogan’s who is now in self-imposed exile in the United States, according to Reporters Without Borders. Ekrem Dumanli, the editor of Zaman,one of those media outlets, was arrested with scores of others last December and accused of leading a terrorist organization. Some journalists fear the government plans to use antiterrorism laws to shut down Hurriyet, Zaman and their parent companies — the two main independent media sources — ahead of the election and confiscate their assets.

Journalists aren’t the only ones who are worried. On Thursday, leading labor unions expressed concern about security for the June election, saying that in the quest for victory, the A.K.P. party had mobilized government institutions on its behalf and sought to depict the opposition as the “enemy” during campaign rallies and speeches.

While the country has faced tough political campaigns before, this one is especially vicious and the mood seems unusually dark and fearful. Mr. Erdogan appears increasingly hostile to truth-telling. The United States and Turkey’s other NATO allies should be urging him to turn away from this destructive path.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/23/opini ... urkey.html


Erdogan's Ambition Heralds Turbulence After Turks Vote
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2015/05/ ... sight.html
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#310 Re: Erdogan u Sarajevu

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moa wrote:
obuzdan wrote:Turska prati svoje ciljeve, a Bosni stvara sliku velikog brata. Ako gledamo ulaganja/investicije/projekte onda se Turska nalazi na ko zna kojem mjestu...
Njihov osnovni cilj je EU - no vrlo je jasno da oni dio tog EU-a nikad nece postati. Bosne hoce, to je izvjesno, ali je to daleko...Kroz istu tu BiH, Turska vidi svoje sanse...Kako? Pa jednostavno vecim ulaganjem u BIH, fabrike, ekonomski projekti i sl. sto ce im indirektno omoguciti izlazak u EU.A ko od toga opet moze imati koristi? Pa valjda i BiH?!-Nadam se ne samo politicari, nego BiH...

Dakle nije bas sve tako crno, iako je crnje nego sto mi vidimo...

hahha ma daj.

A sta je smijesno? Ako vec citiras onda bar reci svoje misljenje (mozda si negdje napisao, ali nisam stigao procitati :D )
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