Eksluzivno: Americki planovi za novi BiH Ustav

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Prenj
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#1 Eksluzivno: Americki planovi za novi BiH Ustav

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Amerikanci su spremili plan kojim ce biti implementiran novi Ustav za Bosnu i Hercegovinu, koji bi trebao postaviti cvrste osnove za normalno drzavno uredjenje.

Drzimo fige ... :bih:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/yugo/article/ ... 14,00.html

Revealed: US plans for Bosnian constitution

· Crunch date looms over democracy ambitions
· Lure of EU entry is driving reconciliation process

Ian Traynor in Sarajevo
Thursday November 10, 2005
The Guardian

The Americans have written a new constitution transforming Bosnia into a centrally governed parliamentary democracy for the first time, and are pushing strongly - with European backing - to have the blueprint agreed by Bosnia's rival nationalist leaders within the next fortnight.

The blueprint, obtained by the Guardian, has been developed during seven months of secret negotiations between US experts and officials and Bosnian politicians. The bold new draft is said to enjoy the full backing of the US state department. The crunch session of negotiations comes this weekend.


Leaders of the main eight governing and opposition parties in Bosnia are to travel to Brussels tomorrow for a weekend of negotiations on the draft which, for the first time since the war ended 10 years ago, would give Bosnia the "normal" trappings of an integrated, non-ethnic parliamentary democracy: a national parliament with full legislative powers, central government and cabinet enjoying full executive power, and a titular head of state.

The deal, if agreed, would it is hoped help to undo the bitter legacy of the war and the ethnic pogroms that were its main feature and steer the country towards multi-ethnic integration. If successful, it would be a rare triumph for western "nation-building" efforts in "failed states" and war-ravaged countries.

"This draft would mean the total transformation of this country," said a senior official in the office of Lord Ashdown, the former Liberal Democrat leader who is the paramount international authority in Bosnia. "This is very ambitious."

Bosnia currently has one of the most complicated and wasteful systems of government ever devised. It is split into two ethnic halves, a Bosnian Serb republic and a federation of Muslims and Croats, both with their parliaments and governments. There is then a national parliament, presidency, prime minister and government. Over the past 10 years, the ethnic entities have enjoyed strong powers, with central authority weak, albeit strengthened in recent years largely as a result of Lord Ashdown's initiatives.

The federation half, in turn, is split into 10 "cantons", also with their own parliaments and governments enjoying wide powers. The US blueprint makes no mention of the cantons. Both "entity" halves are retained, but crucially are stripped of most of their powers, which are vested in a strong central government sitting in Sarajevo and answerable to a national parliament whose main lower house is to double in size.

At the blueprint's centre is an emphasis on individual human and civil rights, supplanting the previous accent on the privileges of the rival ethnic collectives.

Donald Hays, a former US state department official who served for four years in Bosnia as deputy to Lord Ashdown and his predecessor, is the key architect and driver of the plan. "What they [the Bosnians] are looking at is to make the future government a parliamentary democracy," he said. "Until the Brussels meeting, we don't know what they are willing to achieve."

His colleague, Bruce Hitchner, a Boston professor, said the draft entailed scrapping more than half of the constitutional dispensation agreed exactly a decade ago at the three-week conference in Dayton, Ohio, that ended the 42-month Bosnian war. "This is Dayton-plus," said Mr Hitchner. "The changes are astonishing. A year ago there would have been no chance of them sitting together to discuss this."

Mr Hays said the new deal represented Bosnia's "fast track" to integration with and ultimate membership of the European Union. It was the attraction of the EU that was driving the movement towards a normal functioning democracy.

If Bosnian leaders agree in Brussels this weekend, they will travel to Washington where the US secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, will preside over a signing ceremony on the new constitution on November 22, the anniversary of Dayton. The constitution would then be adopted in Sarajevo by next March, leaving six months before general elections in October are conducted in a radically altered political landscape.

However, a senior Bosnian Serb government official warned that too much pressure for such a radical a shift could trigger "a collapse".

The blueprint abolishes the current tripartite presidency, with places reserved for a Muslim, a Croat, and a Serb. The head of state would be one person, elected by parliament rather than popular vote. The office would surrender its powers to the prime minister and the presidency would be largely symbolic.

Backstory

When Yugoslavia dissolved into war in 1991, Bosnia became the main bloodbath. A country of 4.5 million Slav Muslims, Serbs and Croats, Bosnia became the target of a landgrab, first by Serbia to the east, then by Croatia to the west. "Ethnic cleansing" was the main tactic aimed at seizing land. More than half the population were forced from their homes and 150,000 were killed. The victims were mainly Muslims. Sarajevo and rebrenica became bywords for Serbian savagery. The US launched a bombing campaign in 1995 and forced a settlement 10 years ago at Dayton that gave the Serbs half the country and turned Bosnia into an international protectorate.
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The US blueprint makes no mention of the cantons. Both "entity" halves are retained, but crucially are stripped of most of their powers
koliko ja vidim ukudaju se kantoni?? a entiteti ostaju tu gdje jesu samo bez powers-a :D mene zanima sta "nas kongres" ima da kaze po ovom pitanju :D ali eksluzivno :D
However, a senior Bosnian Serb government official warned that too much pressure for such a radical a shift could trigger "a collapse".
bez guranja :lol: oni ne vole pressure :lol:
The office would surrender its powers to the prime minister and the presidency would be largely symbolic.
imat cemo i "presidenta" ali nece biti "president" fino bogami :D tu poziciju odma Dodiku dati :D

Eksluzivno i ja drzim fige... :D ali mislim da je onaj plan "podjela na regione 4-6??" mnogo bolji......
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Ovaj mi se detalj jako svidja :bih:
At the blueprint's centre is an emphasis on individual human and civil rights, supplanting the previous accent on the privileges of the rival ethnic collectives.
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Prenj wrote:Ovaj mi se detalj jako svidja :bih:
At the blueprint's centre is an emphasis on individual human and civil rights, supplanting the previous accent on the privileges of the rival ethnic collectives.
i meni se svidjao "aneks 7" pa sta bi, 10 godina poslije RS jos uvijek etnicki cista REPUBLIKA :oops:
is an emphasis on individual human and civil rights ma jasta individual human rights, brez promijene vlasti to ce da ti garantuje SDA HDZ SDS????(kadija te tuzi , kadija ti sudi-individual human rights(HDZ danas)) kao sto rekoh sadasnjim ustavom svi se mogu vratiti na svoje??
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da pamtis wrote:
Prenj wrote:Ovaj mi se detalj jako svidja :bih:
At the blueprint's centre is an emphasis on individual human and civil rights, supplanting the previous accent on the privileges of the rival ethnic collectives.
i meni se svidjao "aneks 7" pa sta bi, 10 godina poslije RS jos uvijek etnicki cista REPUBLIKA :oops:
is an emphasis on individual human and civil rights ma jasta individual human rights, brez promijene vlasti to ce da ti garantuje SDA HDZ SDS????(kadija te tuzi , kadija ti sudi-individual human rights(HDZ danas)) kao sto rekoh sadasnjim ustavom svi se mogu vratiti na svoje??
Najveci problem sadasnjeg ustava jeste, sto je ohrabrivao udruzivanje nacionalista na svim nivoima.
Najlaksi izlaz bi bio zabrana politickog organizovanja na nacionalnoj osnovi, ali, nazalost, za to je sad vec kasno.
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Svaka cast na teznjama mada mislim da ce tesko ici bez ovih "pressures" :D . tj bez onoga dogovoricemo se da bidne vako. Samo ako upotrijebe istu formulu kao i za policiju...mlati skupstina godinu dana, bune, ustanci, dahije :shock: slavuji :P ...onda jednog dana sastanak u Sarajevu i sve "more" :D

jos samo da Zlaja to pozlati :shock:
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Najlaksi izlaz bi bio zabrana politickog organizovanja na nacionalnoj osnovi, ali, nazalost, za to je sad vec kasno.
mislim da znam na sto ciljas, ali da su ih tada zabranili opet bi imao SDA HDZ?? jer ni tada nije bilo nikakve inicijative da se zabrane ove dvije stranke i eto ti opet problema.......
SDS bi samo dozivio transformaciju, nebi se tako zvao a sustina bi ostala ista :D i na kraju bi opet morao pregovarati sa Krajisnikom :D Vuk dlaku "lako" mijenja..................
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Prenj popravio si mi dan...ovo zvuci ozbiljno
Ne vidjeh jeli to ovaj vikend 12/13 novembar ovi nasi glumci idu u Brisel
Naucili smo da se ne treba unaprijed radovati ali sto kazu "more biti bidne"...
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rumenko wrote:Prenj popravio si mi dan...ovo zvuci ozbiljno
Ne vidjeh jeli to ovaj vikend 12/13 novembar ovi nasi glumci idu u Brisel
Naucili smo da se ne treba unaprijed radovati ali sto kazu "more biti bidne"...
Ima da ih mici doceka sa oklagijom :D :D :D

nego rumenko kakvi su tvoji planovi :D :D za nas :D
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oooo kraljice kako si mi jutros....sto se nas dvoje tice mici ....mislim da je dosao cas da napravimo novi korak u nasoj...virtualnoj ljubavi bez granica....sto bi rekli da predjemo sa rijeci na djela...imam osjecaj da je pred nama urnebesan vikend!?...ako ne ides u Brisel...
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