Blokiraj gradnju Peljeskog mosta! -patriotska akcija u Neumu

[poznanik]

Dobra zastava, odlična.

Šta simbolizira ova zastava?

[pretresnov]

Dobra zastava, odlična.

Eki, ima i Srba-katolika na forumu.

[cyprus]

Šta je to špic?!

Ja govorim o središnjoj liniji kojom se po UN pravu mora povlači granica. Hajmo opet, knjigu u šake

Taj špic koji si ti nacrto... Njegov vrh je 1,2 km udaljen od hrvatske obale, a 2,5 km od naše... Kako je to sredina, svega ti?

[pretresnov]

Dobra zastava, odlična.

Šta simbolizira ova zastava?

Nevjerovatnost.

[pretresnov]

Šta je to špic?!

Ja govorim o središnjoj liniji kojom se po UN pravu mora povlači granica. Hajmo opet, knjigu u šake

Taj špic koji si ti nacrto... Njegov vrh je 1,2 km udaljen od hrvatske obale, a 2,5 km od naše... Kako je to sredina, svega ti?

Nisam naišao na definiciju "špica" a pročitao UN pravo mora od prve do zadnje strane. Čim dopišu javim ti.

Do tad, samo sam se pridržavao uputa za povlačenje granice u zaljevima.

[peljeski_ne]

U gradu Stolcu Bosnjaci cine apsolutnu vecinu i dobili su vecinu na izborima. Ovo iznad grada Stolca sve do Neuma je pustos i ne zivi niko; samo brda i polja. Sa desne strane su Hrvati a sa lijeve je RS.



Onda dolazimo do samog Neuma. Hotel sunce je pod vlasnistvom Sarajeva i sav drugi kapital je Sarajevo izgradilo u saradi sa zeljezarom Zenica. Tako da prvo ovo zaledje se treba rijestiti. Prije rata je zaledje imalo 70% Bosnjacku populaciju; kada dodjemo opet do te populacije onda tek o Neumu mozemo razgovarati.

Na ovoj karti vidimo kakva je Hercegovina. Imate jedan grad poput Stoca i sve okolo je sve pustos sve do Neuma:

[CungaLunga]

Hoćemo crtat? Hajmo crtat...



Zelena linija je otprilike granica na moru između nas i Hrvatske... Most vidiš da nema veze sa njom, a još manje sa dva Školja...

Zelena tranzversala i zuta vatikanska brana

[pretresnov]

Hoćemo crtat? Hajmo crtat...



Zelena linija je otprilike granica na moru između nas i Hrvatske... Most vidiš da nema veze sa njom, a još manje sa dva Školja...

Zelena tranzversala i zuta vatikanska brana

I crveni bosanski inat.

[Bosnolog]

Postoje UN-ove knvencije o morima koje obvezuju Hrvatsku i BiH kao potpisnice istih, da ih se prdrzavaju u protivnom UN sud ce to najbolje obrazloziti i objasniti

Osirnije o UN konvencijama, pravima i obvezama pomorskih zemlja imate ovdje u preambulama objasnjeno, pa ko zeli da se vise informise evo linka http://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_ ... clos_e.pdf

PART II
TERRITORIAL SEA AND CONTIGUOUS ZONE
SECTION 1. GENERAL PROVISIONS
Article 2
Legal status of the territorial sea, of the air space
over the territorial sea and of its bed and subsoil
1. The sovereignty of a coastal State extends, beyond its land territory
and internal waters and, in the case of an archipelagic State, its archipelagic
waters, to an adjacent belt of sea, described as the territorial sea.
2. This sovereignty extends to the air space over the territorial sea as
well as to its bed and subsoil.
3. The sovereignty over the territorial sea is exercised subject to this
Convention and to other rules of international law.
SECTION 2. LIMITS OF THE TERRITORIAL SEA
Article 3
Breadth of the territorial sea
Every State has the right to establish the breadth of its territorial sea up
to a limit not exceeding 12 nautical miles, measured from baselines
determined in accordance with this Convention.
Article 4
Outer limit of the territorial sea
The outer limit of the territorial sea is the line every point of which is at
a distance from the nearest point of the baseline equal to the breadth of the
territorial sea.
Article 5
Normal baseline
Except where otherwise provided in this Convention, the normal baseline
for measuring the breadth of the territorial sea is the low-water line along the
coast as marked on large-scale charts officially recognized by the coastal
State.
Article 6
Reefs
In the case of islands situated on atolls or of islands having fringing
reefs, the baseline for measuring the breadth of the territorial sea is the
seaward low-water line of the reef, as shown by the appropriate symbol on
charts officially recognized by the coastal State.28
Article 7
Straight baselines
1. In localities where the coastline is deeply indented and cut into, or
if there is a fringe of islands along the coast in its immediate vicinity, the
method of straight baselines joining appropriate points may be employed in
drawing the baseline from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured.
2. Where because of the presence of a delta and other natural
conditions the coastline is highly unstable, the appropriate points may be
selected along the furthest seaward extent of the low-water line and,
notwithstanding subsequent regression of the low-water line, the straight
baselines shall remain effective until changed by the coastal State in
accordance with this Convention.
3. The drawing of straight baselines must not depart to any appreciable
extent from the general direction of the coast, and the sea areas lying within
the lines must be sufficiently closely linked to the land domain to be subject
to the regime of internal waters.
4. Straight baselines shall not be drawn to and from low-tide elevations,
unless lighthouses or similar installations which are permanently above sea
level have been built on them or except in instances where the drawing of
baselines to and from such elevations has received general international
recognition.
5. Where the method of straight baselines is applicable under
paragraph 1, account may be taken, in determining particular baselines, of
economic interests peculiar to the region concerned, the reality and the
importance of which are clearly evidenced by long usage.
6. The system of straight baselines may not be applied by a State in
such a manner as to cut off the territorial sea of another State from the high
seas or an exclusive economic zone.
Article 8
Internal waters
1. Except as provided in Part IV, waters on the landward side of the
baseline of the territorial sea form part of the internal waters of the State.
2. Where the establishment of a straight baseline in accordance with the
method set forth in article 7 has the effect of enclosing as internal waters
areas which had not previously been considered as such, a right of innocent
passage as provided in this Convention shall exist in those waters.
Article 9
Mouths of rivers
If a river flows directly into the sea, the baseline shall be a straight line
across the mouth of the river between points on the low-water line of its
banks.
Article 10
Bays
1. This article relates only to bays the coasts of which belong to a
single State.29
2. For the purposes of this Convention, a bay is a well-marked
indentation whose penetration is in such proportion to the width of its mouth
as to contain land-locked waters and constitute more than a mere curvature
of the coast. An indentation shall not, however, be regarded as a bay unless
its area is as large as, or larger than, that of the semi-circle whose diameter is
a line drawn across the mouth of that indentation.
3. For the purpose of measurement, the area of an indentation is that
lying between the low-water mark around the shore of the indentation and a
line joining the low-water mark of its natural entrance points. Where,
because of the presence of islands, an indentation has more than one mouth,
the semi-circle shall be drawn on a line as long as the sum total of the lengths
of the lines across the different mouths. Islands within an indentation shall
be included as if they were part of the water area of the indentation.
4. If the distance between the low-water marks of the natural entrance
points of a bay does not exceed 24 nautical miles, a closing line may be
drawn between these two low-water marks, and the waters enclosed thereby
shall be considered as internal waters.
5. Where the distance between the low-water marks of the natural
entrance points of a bay exceeds 24 nautical miles, a straight baseline of
24 nautical miles shall be drawn within the bay in such a manner as to enclose
the maximum area of water that is possible with a line of that length.
6. The foregoing provisions do not apply to so-called "historic" bays,
or in any case where the system of straight baselines provided for in article 7
is applied.
Article 11
Ports
For the purpose of delimiting the territorial sea, the outermost permanent
harbour works which form an integral part of the harbour system are regarded
as forming part of the coast. Off-shore installations and artificial islands shall
not be considered as permanent harbour works.
Article 12
Roadsteads
Roadsteads which are normally used for the loading, unloading and
anchoring of ships, and which would otherwise be situated wholly or partly
outside the outer limit of the territorial sea, are included in the territorial sea.
Article 13
Low-tide elevations
1. A low-tide elevation is a naturally formed area of land which is
surrounded by and above water at low tide but submerged at high tide. Where
a low-tide elevation is situated wholly or partly at a distance not exceeding
the breadth of the territorial sea from the mainland or an island, the low-water
line on that elevation may be used as the baseline for measuring the breadth
of the territorial sea.
2. Where a low-tide elevation is wholly situated at a distance exceeding
the breadth of the territorial sea from the mainland or an island, it has no
territorial sea of its own.30
Article 14
Combination of methods for determining baselines
The coastal State may determine baselines in turn by any of the methods
provided for in the foregoing articles to suit different conditions.
Article 15
Delimitation of the territorial sea between States
with opposite or adjacent coasts
Where the coasts of two States are opposite or adjacent to each other,
neither of the two States is entitled, failing agreement between them to the
contrary, to extend its territorial sea beyond the median line every point of
which is equidistant from the nearest points on the baselines from which the
breadth of the territorial seas of each of the two States is measured. The
above provision does not apply, however, where it is necessary by reason of
historic title or other special circumstances to delimit the territorial seas of the
two States in a way which is at variance therewith.
Article 16
Charts and lists of geographical coordinates
1. The baselines for measuring the breadth of the territorial sea
determined in accordance with articles 7, 9 and 10, or the limits derived
therefrom, and the lines of delimitation drawn in accordance with articles 12
and 15 shall be shown on charts of a scale or scales adequate for ascertaining
their position. Alternatively, a list of geographical coordinates of points,
specifying the geodetic datum, may be substituted.
2. The coastal State shall give due publicity to such charts or lists of
geographical coordinates and shall deposit a copy of each such chart or list
with the Secretary-General of the United Nations.

[cyprus]

Dobra zastava, odlična.

Šta simbolizira ova zastava?

Kad bi se ja pito zastava bi izgledala slično ovome... Ljiljani bi simbolizirali historiju zemlje, a crvena, bijela i plava slavensku pripadnost njenih konstitutivnih naroda... Jedino bih obrno raspored boja, pa bi išlo plavi, crveni, bijeli... da se izbjegne podudarnost sa drugim slavenskim zastavama

Ali ne pitam se ja, pa je tako moja jedina zastava zasad ova Samo kažem da je ova prethodna zanimljivo rješenje Ali to je neka druga tema...

[cyprus]

Dobra zastava, odlična.

Eki, ima i Srba-katolika na forumu.

Zapravo Jugoslavena katolika... ali to zaista nema neke važnosti za našu raspravu

[P.Starck]

Postoje UN-ove knvencije o morima koje obvezuju Hrvatsku i BiH kao potpisnice istih, da ih se prdrzavaju u protivnom UN sud ce to najbolje obrazloziti i objasniti

Osirnije o UN konvencijama, pravima i obvezama pomorskih zemlja imate ovdje u preambulama objasnjeno, pa ko zeli da se vise informise evo linka http://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_ ... clos_e.pdf

PART II
TERRITORIAL SEA AND CONTIGUOUS ZONE
SECTION 1. GENERAL PROVISIONS
Article 2
Legal status of the territorial sea, of the air space
over the territorial sea and of its bed and subsoil
1. The sovereignty of a coastal State extends, beyond its land territory
and internal waters and, in the case of an archipelagic State, its archipelagic
waters, to an adjacent belt of sea, described as the territorial sea.
2. This sovereignty extends to the air space over the territorial sea as
well as to its bed and subsoil.
3. The sovereignty over the territorial sea is exercised subject to this
Convention and to other rules of international law.
SECTION 2. LIMITS OF THE TERRITORIAL SEA
Article 3
Breadth of the territorial sea
Every State has the right to establish the breadth of its territorial sea up
to a limit not exceeding 12 nautical miles, measured from baselines
determined in accordance with this Convention.
Article 4
Outer limit of the territorial sea
The outer limit of the territorial sea is the line every point of which is at
a distance from the nearest point of the baseline equal to the breadth of the
territorial sea.
Article 5
Normal baseline
Except where otherwise provided in this Convention, the normal baseline
for measuring the breadth of the territorial sea is the low-water line along the
coast as marked on large-scale charts officially recognized by the coastal
State.
Article 6
Reefs
In the case of islands situated on atolls or of islands having fringing
reefs, the baseline for measuring the breadth of the territorial sea is the
seaward low-water line of the reef, as shown by the appropriate symbol on
charts officially recognized by the coastal State.28
Article 7
Straight baselines
1. In localities where the coastline is deeply indented and cut into, or
if there is a fringe of islands along the coast in its immediate vicinity, the
method of straight baselines joining appropriate points may be employed in
drawing the baseline from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured.
2. Where because of the presence of a delta and other natural
conditions the coastline is highly unstable, the appropriate points may be
selected along the furthest seaward extent of the low-water line and,
notwithstanding subsequent regression of the low-water line, the straight
baselines shall remain effective until changed by the coastal State in
accordance with this Convention.
3. The drawing of straight baselines must not depart to any appreciable
extent from the general direction of the coast, and the sea areas lying within
the lines must be sufficiently closely linked to the land domain to be subject
to the regime of internal waters.
4. Straight baselines shall not be drawn to and from low-tide elevations,
unless lighthouses or similar installations which are permanently above sea
level have been built on them or except in instances where the drawing of
baselines to and from such elevations has received general international
recognition.
5. Where the method of straight baselines is applicable under
paragraph 1, account may be taken, in determining particular baselines, of
economic interests peculiar to the region concerned, the reality and the
importance of which are clearly evidenced by long usage.
6. The system of straight baselines may not be applied by a State in
such a manner as to cut off the territorial sea of another State from the high
seas or an exclusive economic zone.
Article 8
Internal waters
1. Except as provided in Part IV, waters on the landward side of the
baseline of the territorial sea form part of the internal waters of the State.
2. Where the establishment of a straight baseline in accordance with the
method set forth in article 7 has the effect of enclosing as internal waters
areas which had not previously been considered as such, a right of innocent
passage as provided in this Convention shall exist in those waters.
Article 9
Mouths of rivers
If a river flows directly into the sea, the baseline shall be a straight line
across the mouth of the river between points on the low-water line of its
banks.
Article 10
Bays
1. This article relates only to bays the coasts of which belong to a
single State.29
2. For the purposes of this Convention, a bay is a well-marked
indentation whose penetration is in such proportion to the width of its mouth
as to contain land-locked waters and constitute more than a mere curvature
of the coast. An indentation shall not, however, be regarded as a bay unless
its area is as large as, or larger than, that of the semi-circle whose diameter is
a line drawn across the mouth of that indentation.
3. For the purpose of measurement, the area of an indentation is that
lying between the low-water mark around the shore of the indentation and a
line joining the low-water mark of its natural entrance points. Where,
because of the presence of islands, an indentation has more than one mouth,
the semi-circle shall be drawn on a line as long as the sum total of the lengths
of the lines across the different mouths. Islands within an indentation shall
be included as if they were part of the water area of the indentation.
4. If the distance between the low-water marks of the natural entrance
points of a bay does not exceed 24 nautical miles, a closing line may be
drawn between these two low-water marks, and the waters enclosed thereby
shall be considered as internal waters.
5. Where the distance between the low-water marks of the natural
entrance points of a bay exceeds 24 nautical miles, a straight baseline of
24 nautical miles shall be drawn within the bay in such a manner as to enclose
the maximum area of water that is possible with a line of that length.
6. The foregoing provisions do not apply to so-called "historic" bays,
or in any case where the system of straight baselines provided for in article 7
is applied.
Article 11
Ports
For the purpose of delimiting the territorial sea, the outermost permanent
harbour works which form an integral part of the harbour system are regarded
as forming part of the coast. Off-shore installations and artificial islands shall
not be considered as permanent harbour works.
Article 12
Roadsteads
Roadsteads which are normally used for the loading, unloading and
anchoring of ships, and which would otherwise be situated wholly or partly
outside the outer limit of the territorial sea, are included in the territorial sea.
Article 13
Low-tide elevations
1. A low-tide elevation is a naturally formed area of land which is
surrounded by and above water at low tide but submerged at high tide. Where
a low-tide elevation is situated wholly or partly at a distance not exceeding
the breadth of the territorial sea from the mainland or an island, the low-water
line on that elevation may be used as the baseline for measuring the breadth
of the territorial sea.
2. Where a low-tide elevation is wholly situated at a distance exceeding
the breadth of the territorial sea from the mainland or an island, it has no
territorial sea of its own.30
Article 14
Combination of methods for determining baselines
The coastal State may determine baselines in turn by any of the methods
provided for in the foregoing articles to suit different conditions.
Article 15
Delimitation of the territorial sea between States
with opposite or adjacent coasts
Where the coasts of two States are opposite or adjacent to each other,
neither of the two States is entitled, failing agreement between them to the
contrary, to extend its territorial sea beyond the median line every point of
which is equidistant from the nearest points on the baselines from which the
breadth of the territorial seas of each of the two States is measured. The
above provision does not apply, however, where it is necessary by reason of
historic title or other special circumstances to delimit the territorial seas of the
two States in a way which is at variance therewith.
Article 16
Charts and lists of geographical coordinates
1. The baselines for measuring the breadth of the territorial sea
determined in accordance with articles 7, 9 and 10, or the limits derived
therefrom, and the lines of delimitation drawn in accordance with articles 12
and 15 shall be shown on charts of a scale or scales adequate for ascertaining
their position. Alternatively, a list of geographical coordinates of points,
specifying the geodetic datum, may be substituted.
2. The coastal State shall give due publicity to such charts or lists of
geographical coordinates and shall deposit a copy of each such chart or list
with the Secretary-General of the United Nations.

Hajde boldaj šta odavde ko će ovo sve čitati.

[kiky]

zašto hrvatska izbjegava arbitražu nadležne međunarodne institucije ...

obrazloži i navedi mi gdje izbjegava?
pošalji neki link samo nemoj sa nekog foruma, tamo svašta lupetaju

prati sjednice hrvatskog sabora na tu temu ...

[kiky]

Pa dobro mozesli mi reci kada ce se Hrvatski sabor dogovoriti o tim malim ostrvcicima?[/quote]

nikad ...
zato je arbitraža najbolja ...

[fortaleza]

Netočno prika. Ako je samo jedan od tri konstitutivna naroda izričito protiv mosta ili za most onda NEMA ZAJEDNIČKOG STAVA i nema vanjske politike! Pa si oni koji su protiv mosta (ili njegove visine) ne mogu prisvajati da zastupaju cijelu BiH. Zastupaju samo jednu političku elitu - Bošnjačku.

Kad ćete si to priznati?

Opet fulaš, prika!
Ako su oni koji zastupaju samo jednu elitu "protiv" onda nema ni mosta, pa taman da vanjsku politiku BiH vodi i Nino Raspudić, glavom i guzicom!
Dakle, ako nema zajedničkog stava, onda nema ni mosta!
Cappiscy?

Znači sugeriraš to da ako je barem jedan politički subjekt u BiH protiv gradnje, mosta neće biti? Gledaj, čak i da su predstavnici sva tri naroda u BiH protiv gradnje mosta Hrvatska će most napraviti uz svesrdnu podršku EU i njihovih pristupnih fondova ako želi jer ga pravi na svom teritoriju kroz svoje more. To je činjenica, ma koliko to meni ili tebi kao bh državljanima odgovaralo ili ne.

[Dabba]

Ali ne pitam se ja, pa je tako moja jedina zastava zasad ova Samo kažem da je ova prethodna zanimljivo rješenje Ali to je neka druga tema...

Halooo, ba pusti te crveno-plavo-bijele kombinacije! Ova plavo žuta je k'o bombona. K'o Subaru-ova plavo-žuta kombinacija. Rijetka, ali zahebana.

[peljeski_ne]

Netočno prika. Ako je samo jedan od tri konstitutivna naroda izričito protiv mosta ili za most onda NEMA ZAJEDNIČKOG STAVA i nema vanjske politike! Pa si oni koji su protiv mosta (ili njegove visine) ne mogu prisvajati da zastupaju cijelu BiH. Zastupaju samo jednu političku elitu - Bošnjačku.

Kad ćete si to priznati?

Opet fulaš, prika!
Ako su oni koji zastupaju samo jednu elitu "protiv" onda nema ni mosta, pa taman da vanjsku politiku BiH vodi i Nino Raspudić, glavom i guzicom!
Dakle, ako nema zajedničkog stava, onda nema ni mosta!
Cappiscy?

Znači sugeriraš to da ako je barem jedan politički subjekt u BiH protiv gradnje, mosta neće biti? Gledaj, čak i da su predstavnici sva tri naroda u BiH protiv gradnje mosta Hrvatska će most napraviti uz svesrdnu podršku EU i njihovih pristupnih fondova ako želi jer ga pravi na svom teritoriju kroz svoje more. To je činjenica, ma koliko to meni ili tebi kao bh državljanima odgovaralo ili ne.

Nije stvar hoceli Hrvatska praviti most vec dali ce biti dovoljno visok.

[Mezzo-x]

Stavi crveno gore a plavo dole (kao hrvatska zastava) pa ce biti super....

[shell]

Nije stvar hoceli Hrvatska praviti most vec dali ce biti dovoljno visok. [/quote]
pa šta se buniš možeš proči koliko si visok 1.6 mozda 1.9 najviše.

[peljeski_ne]

Nije stvar hoceli Hrvatska praviti most vec dali ce biti dovoljno visok.

pa šta se buniš možeš proči koliko si visok 1.6 mozda 1.9 najviše.[/quote]

Brod mora moci da prodje i ne provociraj.

[shell]

Nije stvar hoceli Hrvatska praviti most vec dali ce biti dovoljno visok.

pa šta se buniš možeš proči koliko si visok 1.6 mozda 1.9 najviše.

Brod mora moci da prodje i ne provociraj.[/quote]
pa svi bosanski brodovi mogu proči i vodraravno i horizontalno ,problem riješen.