ARBiH

[L u c i f e r]

Drago mi je što je potpisan Dejton jer je četiri godine rova, granata, pucnjave i gladi previše.
Ko misli da nije, eno mu puške pa nek roka do mile volje, bujrum i nek oslobađa sve do drine.

Armija BiH je bila herojska, izborila se za opstanak Bosne i ponosim se što sam bio njen pripadnik.

Nažalost, bošnjački političari su bili i ostali nesposobne lopovske minderaške gnjide.

[eifel]

Nabrzaka sklepana vojska, gora od partizanskih odreda 1942.

[Bratov brat]

Чуј има ли код нас врлих стратега? Гдје ћеш ме то болан питати. Јашта него има!
Углавном је то исти сој људи као и овдје! Ти што су осјетили само петарде,они који Тита не памте, вјерски фанатици и још кад им се придруже они дијаспоровци ...ма милина једна!
Све би они то заузели, ослободили, сад па сад! Дошло би милион козака, имамо тајно Теслино оружије, небески народ, Тарабићи,а заборављају да смо у протеклом рату три рата изгубили.
Само они би опет ратовали преко нас, па да се ја и ти опет хватамо за вратове!
Е ја сам се добро опекао а вјерујем и ти, па би у случају евентуалног сукоба извршили "стратешко повлачење" тј. ипарили би се! Па неће нам грах двапут исто падати!
Овим горе свим набројаним савјетујем да се искупе сви на једној ледини и да једна битка одлучи, ко побједи њему држава! Да се брате не пате ко ми 4 године и на крају нико задовољан!
А ја ћемо и ти што би рекао Зенит на једну лозу у Чајниче код Демиџића а они нека се крве до последњег Југословена!

I dok ovo cita neko od navedenih, garant misli da si neki nadri izdajnik . Ali "lokalci" nisu ni do cukljeva gastarbajterima.

[L u c i f e r]

Овим горе свим набројаним савјетујем да се искупе сви на једној ледини и да једна битка одлучи, ко побједи њему држава!

[Oligarh]

đe si bivši dušmaninu imal' ovakvih stratega i kod vas? U pravu si,namnožilo se ovih tumača što je od baruta okusilo samo petarde pa bi se još i svađalo,čuj ti mog bezobrazluka da ga pitam "kad je Armija ušla u Prijedor i Doboj".On to zna...hod'o po oslobođenom Prijedoru i Doboju još će nas sad ubjeđivati da su nas u Dejtonu natjerali da im vratimo ta dva grada.

Чуј има ли код нас врлих стратега? Гдје ћеш ме то болан питати. Јашта него има!
Углавном је то исти сој људи као и овдје! Ти што су осјетили само петарде,они који Тита не памте, вјерски фанатици и још кад им се придруже они дијаспоровци ...ма милина једна!
Све би они то заузели, ослободили, сад па сад! Дошло би милион козака, имамо тајно Теслино оружије, небески народ, Тарабићи,а заборављају да смо у протеклом рату три рата изгубили.
Само они би опет ратовали преко нас, па да се ја и ти опет хватамо за вратове!
Е ја сам се добро опекао а вјерујем и ти, па би у случају евентуалног сукоба извршили "стратешко повлачење" тј. ипарили би се! Па неће нам грах двапут исто падати!
Овим горе свим набројаним савјетујем да се искупе сви на једној ледини и да једна битка одлучи, ко побједи њему држава! Да се брате не пате ко ми 4 године и на крају нико задовољан!
А ја ћемо и ти што би рекао Зенит на једну лозу у Чајниче код Демиџића а они нека се крве до последњег Југословена!

Imal mjesta za još ptsp-ovaca na toj rakiji? Od mene je Emir HH kao peškeš da nam recitira svoja probrana djela, kupit ćemo mu gurabiju za to.

Strategi - vozdra!

[Bratov brat]

Imal mjesta za još ptsp-ovaca na toj rakiji?

Ovo i mene zanima A nadam se da primate i kolege iz susednih ratova.

[PM72]

Šta mu dođe "susedni" rat? Po naglasku mi tukne na ... ali neću da nagađam.U svakom slučaju,ako si se iskreno pokajao za učešće u formaciji u kojoj si bio-dobrodošao na ka(h)(v)(f)u jal' pivu,lozu,šerbe.

[Bratov brat]

Šta mu dođe "susedni" rat? Po naglasku mi tukne na

aaa pogresio si. Nije Hrvatska u pitanju.

dobrodošao na ka(h)(v)(f)u jal' pivu,lozu,šerbe.

Hvala.

[L u c i f e r]

Može i na čvarke...

[PM72]

Šta mu dođe "susedni" rat? Po naglasku mi tukne na

aaa pogresio si. Nije Hrvatska u pitanju.

dobrodošao na ka(h)(v)(f)u jal' pivu,lozu,šerbe.

Hvala.

Na Kosovo sam pomislio.

[Bratov brat]

Na Kosovo sam pomislio.

Izvinjavam se , onda si bio u pravu. Ovo "pokajao" nisam komentarisao jer nisam bio tu svojom voljom kako god okrenes.

[PM72]

Ja sam branio svoju mater,sestru,oca,braću,rodbinu,komšije,prijatelje...i nisam se radi toga pokajao.Kajanje je stiglo kasnije,kad sam skontao da sam bio šaraf u mafijaško -šovinističkoj-fašističkoj-nacionalističkoj vjerskoj mašineriji.Ja se nisam borio za ideale nego za čisti opstanak a ti si se zajebao dibidus.

[iz zadnje klupe]

Meni je zanimljivo kada pričam sa nekim Srbinom, sjednemo zbog posla onako u kafanu za sofru, pa ga zanese, pa zaboravi s kim priča

Evo jedne srpske sličice iz Krajine koji sam tako saznao

Srbi iz Sanskog mosta, 93-94 godina, front stotine kilometara daleko, svaki dan se očekuje, zapravo samo je pitanje sata "oslobađanje" Bihaća, i očekujući bogatu "žetvu" pri povratku svojih vojnika sa Bihaća, zadali se u građevinske radove, pa u po rata počeli praviti zanatski centar sa poslovnim prostorima, pukli i prodali se poslovni prostori, ali ne prođe godina, totalno iz vedra neba, oni postadoše ti koji su "oslobođeni"

Elem šta sad bi sad sa poslovnim prostorima ?

Prvih par godina poslije rata ništa, jer se smatralo ko je šta jamio, jamio, ali dođe do obaveznog povrata imovine, u medjuvremenu u "srpskom" zanatskom centru "neki novi" razvili biznise, ne ide povrat tako lako, a načelnik Srbima nudi kompenzaciju u uglju iz rudnika sa vjerovatno najlošijim ugljem u BIH umjesto poslovnih, pa me pita ovaj brat konstutivni znam li koga kome mogu utušiti taj ugalj ( i on je bio jedan od onih koji je "pazario" poslovni)

[SkyLimit]

S obzirom da je očito da je rat završio neriješeno, o tome se baš i nema šta diskutovati, zanimljivije bi bilo pričati o pojedinačnim bitkama, o najvećim pobjedama i porazima Armije BiH.

Evo primjer jedne velike pobjede i jednog katastrofalnog poraza:

- Glođansko brdo, novembar 1992. godine

Upao Naser sa svojima na to brdo i u potpunosti iznenadio neprijateljske snage, ovi dok su skontali šta se dešava, već su i izginuli. Sami srpski mediji pišu o 126 poginulih vojnika VRS tog dana.


- Hercegovina, 1994. godina, operacija "Jesen 94"

Pokušaj 4. korpusa Armije BiH da sa najelitnijim snagama prođe iza leđa i nanese težak udarac srpskim snagama u Hercegovini. Na kraju je operacija doživjela fijasko, u višednevnim borbenim dejstvima najhrabriji hercegovački Bošnjaci su izginuli, a Srbi su im tijela dovukli na neku livadu i snimili video koji se i sad može pronaći ako se ukuca "slom 4. korpusa Armije BiH". O svemu u vezi te operacije Šefko Hodžić je napisao čitavu knjigu.

[Red Wolf]

izvoli prošetaj se prijedorom, bijeljinom, bilecom, zvornikom, trebinjem sa majicom volim bosnu, sa grbom bih, sa zastavom i govori ovo je bosna...probaj isto to uciniti u grudama, sirokom, posusju, citluku...jasnije?
sama cinjenica da u tim sredinama to ne mozes uciniti - oni su dobili rat. sto se tice vrs i hvo - dobili su rat, jer na onom podrucju gdje su i dan danas apsolutno vladaju i rade sta hoce.
armija bih je usla u prijedor i doboj i vodile se ulicne borbe, dok je pred banja lukom na manjaci bio 5 korpus.

Izvor za ovu tvrdnju?

Ja koliko znam, da bi Armija BiH ušla u Doboj, prvo je morala osloboditi Vozuću, zatim preuzeti kontrolu nad čitavom planinom Ozren i onda spustiti se i poraziti snage u samom gradu. A kraj rata je dočekala negdje na pola Ozrena.

Što se tiče Prijedora, Armija BiH se zaista nalazila svega par kilometara od grada kad je rat zaustavljen, ali prvi put čujem od tebe da su se vodile ulične borbe.

Sve je to moglo biti oslobođeno, pa i Banja Luka, samo pod slučajem da je i Hrvatska vojska nastavila ratovati protiv VRS, a ona to, što zbog planova Zapada, što zbog vlastitih planova, nije željela.

Posto sam bio gore u krajini u to doba,Prijedor je bio pust i nije imao odbrane kad smo zaustavljeni na prilazima istom,a i BL nebi bio velik zalogaj da je bilo malo vise vremena s obzirom da bi uzeli mi Prijedor 100% a HVO im prilazio iz pravca MG,steta o nekim ulicnim borbama nema govora al da je moglo biti uzeto to tvrdim u kratkom vremenskom periodu sve i PR i BL

Kakvi su to "prilazi Prijedoru" koji su 20km daleko od Prijedora?
Međuentitetska linija između Sanskog Monsta i Prijedora je na mjestu gdje su se linije nalazile u trenutku primirja.[/quote]

ovo sto ti tvrdis nema veze sa realnoscu da ne upotrijebim tezu rijec,al nije to vise ni toliko vazno

[Gojeni H]

Dani ponosa

[L u c i f e r]

Dani ponosa

Dudak je bio zmaj, po meni najveći živući Bošnjak...

[Gojeni H]

Iz licne perspektive ...

Ja sam se borio da mog babu ovako ne povedu ovi barbari s istoka ... i nisu.



Dobio sam priliku da ucestvujem u necemu sto samo mali broj ljudi dozivi u svom zivotnom vijeku, a to je da budem dio neceg pravednog ... borba protiv zla, a odbrana onog meni najsvetijeg. Neponovljivo i nenadjebivo.

Armija RBiH je udarila jake temelje drzavi. Na slijedecim generacijama je da drzavu jacaju.

[L u c i f e r]

Iz licne perspektive ...

Ja sam se borio da mog babu ovako ne povedu ovi barbari s istoka ... i nisu.



Dobio sam priliku da ucestvujem u necemu sto samo mali broj ljudi dozivi u svom zivotnom vijeku, a to je da budem dio neceg pravednog ... borba protiv zla, a odbrana onog meni najsvetijeg. Neponovljivo i nenadjebivo.

Armija RBiH je udarila jake temelje drzavi. Na slijedecim generacijama je da drzavu jacaju.

Pa i ja isto jbg...

...samo bogami vodili su i ovi sa zapada (heliodrom, babo,...).

[VjecitiStudent]

Kakvi su to "prilazi Prijedoru" koji su 20km daleko od Prijedora?
Međuentitetska linija između Sanskog Mosta i Prijedora je na mjestu gdje su se linije nalazile u trenutku primirja.

ovo sto ti tvrdis nema veze sa realnoscu da ne upotrijebim tezu rijec,al nije to vise ni toliko vazno

Jednostavno je sve provjeriti, navedi jedinice, datume, lokacije.

Zanimljivo je kako svakih par godina se pokrene ova tema sa istim netačnostima, vrijedi zato i ovo ponoviti

Not Dead Yet: The VRS Counteroffensive,
24 September-6 October 1995

Despite the pummeling it was taking all over the country, the VRS still displayed its abilities as a counter-puncher. In western Bosnia in particular, the Serbs made a determined drive to roll back Bosnian Army gains around Bosanski Novi and Kljuc. After the HV's Operation "Una 95" and the ARBiH 5th Corps attacks on Sanski Most had been contained and in some cases pushed back in the fighting of 18-22 September, the VRS moved quickly to strike at the 5th Corps forces moving toward Bosanski Novi and Prijedor-Ljubija. Moving on the night of 23-24 September. Arkan's SDG and the VRS's veteran 65th Protection Regiment, 16th Krajina Motorized Brigade, and the 43rd Motorized Brigade struck hard against 5th Corps's OG "North." General Mladic personally supervised the operation. In six days of fighting, the OG's four brigades were driven back as much as 15 kilometers in some places. Then, with Bosanska Krupa and Otoka in sight, the VRS had to abruptly halt its attack as ARBiH gains around Mrkonjic Grad forced the VRS to shift reserves to this important sector.

Beginning about 20 September, the 5th Corps's OG "South" had undertaken its drive on Mrkonjic Grad. With the 17th Krajina on the left and 501st Mountain on the right, ARBiH troops pushed back parts of the demoralized 17th Kljuc Brigade, together with scattered parts of other formations. In over a week of advances, the two ARBiH brigades pushed forward some 17 kilometers, coming within 3 kilometers of Mrkonjic Grad and reaching the edge of the Manjaca Mountains, which protected Banja Luka from the south. By 1 October, VRS forces around Mrkonjic Grad were in a desperate situation.

Thus it was that the 16th Krajina Motorized Brigade and the SDG had to break off their successful counter-drive toward Bosanska Krupa and rush to newly threatened Banja Luka, coming under the command of Colonel Milenko Lazic's Operational Group 2/30th Division. To conduct the counterattack, two tactical groupings were created around Mrkonjic Grad. On the right, the 2nd Krajina Infantry and 16th Krajina Motorized Brigades were to drive west toward the Sana River northeast of Kljuc; while on the left, the Bosnian Serb Special Police Brigade, reinforced with the SDG (and probably Serbian RDB troops) pushed the 5th Corps away from Mrkonjic Grad. This group would then move on Kljuc itself. At least one armored battalion from the 1st Armored Brigade supported the attack. In addition, the reinforced 5th Kozara and 6th Sanske Infantry Brigades from "Prijedor" Operational Group 10 were to push south from the Sanski Most area toward Kljuc. The VRS hoped to crush OG "South" in the converging jaws. By 3 October, the VRS counterattack began to gain steam, driving back the 17th Krajina and the 501st, which had been reinforced with only one independent battalion. Additional 7th Corps reinforcements were on the way, but they were late in arriving. By 6 October, the VRS had pushed to within 1 kilometer of Kljuc from the east, having advanced some 17 kilometers in three days.

With the town of Kljuc on the verge of capture, the VRS apparently felt able to withdraw the 16th Krajina Brigade to reinforce threatened VRS positions in the Ozren Mountains. Just as the 16th Krajina departed, however, the ARBiH defenses stiffened with the arrival of the new 7th Corps formations. VRS troops—now primarily "Prijedor" OG forces from the 5th and 6th Brigades—continued to press against the 5th/7th Corps line near Krasulje, gaining little ground in heavy fighting through 8-9 October. The tables, however, were about lo turn again. The Croatian Army was preparing to reenter the battle. It was again the Serbs' turn to be surprised.

End Game—The Fall of Sanski Most and Mrkonjic Grad, October 1995

With Kliuc threatened, the Bosnian Army had again requested HV/HVO assistance. Zagreb agreed, since the capture of Mrkonjic Grad and a drive into the Manjaca Mountains—the objective for the HV/HVO operation—would give Zagreb a stranglehold over Banja Luka. With their forces poised to drive on the city, the Croatians would be in a position to ensure that the Serbs (the FRY and Republika Srpska) lived up to the tentative cease-fire agreement or to an eventual peace deal for Bosnia—or, even more important, for eastern Slavonia, the last Serb-controlled part of Croatia. If the Serbs refused to deal, Zagreb would take the city, conquering western Bosnia for itself and leaving Sarajevo with an enlarged Bihac pocket. In either case, Zagreb would further demonstrate and cement its role as the region's power broker.

The new HV/HVO operation, 'Juzni Potez* (Southern Move), was scheduled to begin on 8 October. General Gotovina, using HVO Brigadier Zeljko Glasnovic's OG "East," again led the HV/HVO assault. The main shock forces came from the redoubtable 4th and 7th Guards Brigades and the 1st HGZ. The three HVO Guards brigades and other independent battalions and companies were in the second echelon, giving Gotovina 11,000 to 12,000 troops. During the first phase of the operation, the HV Guards formations were to seize Mrkonjic Grad itself, together with the adjoining Podrasnica Valley and the road junction of Cadjavica—an advance of about 12 kilometers. During the second phase, the HVO Guards formations would take over the advance, seizing the southern edge of the Manjaca Mountains and the important Bocae hydroelectric plant—the last major source of electricity for Banja Luka and Serb-held western Bosnia. The whole operation was scheduled to take four days.

VRS Colonel Milenko Lazic's Operational Group-2/30th Division had consolidated its defenses around Mrkonjic Grad after Operation "Maestral" in September. The town was now defended by three brigades—the 7th Motorized, 3rd Serbian, and 11th Mrkonjic Light Infantry Brigades. The VRS force probably numbered about 5,500 troops. These formations had covered the rear of the VRS units undertaking the Kljuc counterattack, watching the HV/HVO.

The HV/HVO assault began on 8 October, with a diversionary attack by the HV 126th Home Defense Regiment and 1st HVO Guards Brigade against the VRS 11th Mrkonjic Brigade, some 15 to 20 kilometers west of Mrkonjic Grad. Gotovina hoped to mislead the VRS as to the direction and timing of the main attack. This came the next day, although the start was delayed for two hours by thick fog. A strong artillery-rocket bombardment was followed by Mi-24 helicopter gunship strikes on VRS positions. Despite this display of preparatory and supporting firepower, the opening HV/HVOattack encountered strong opposition. General Gotovina states that,

. . . the enemy offered strong resistance in all directions, through a well-organized and fortified defense, but also with strong, synchronized artillery fire.

The 1st HGZ, 4th Guards, and 7th Guards Brigades weathered the onslaught to punch their way into the VRS defenses, although the 7th Guards in particular had difficulties against its VRS namesake, the 7th Motorized Brigade, southeast of Mrkonjic Grad. By the end of 9 October, the HV had moved forward about 5 kilometers, partially enveloping the town and giving the defenders no respite.

The next day, VRS defenses began to disintegrate under the professional pounding of the HV/HVO. Mrkonjic Grad fell after the 4th Guards Brigade apparently broke through the 3rd Serbian Brigade's defenses southwest of town. This outflanked the 7th Motorized Brigade's staunch defenders, and the VRS troops had to pull out. The 1st HGZ and 4th Guards occupied Podrasnica and Cadjavica as they moved on Manjaca. On the right, the 7th Guards and the newly inserted 2nd HVO Guards Brigade advanced toward Bocac.

On 11 October, the HV units wore withdrawn and the two rernaiiung HVO Guards Brigades moved forward |n their place, Although VRS artillery fire roked the attackers, Ihe withdrawing VRS infantry and armor formations were disorganized, and the HVO troops were able reaeh their operation stop line along the southern edge of Manjaca—only 25 kilometers from Banja Luka
Meanwhile, General Dudakovic had been planning a counterstrike of his own against troops of the VRS "Prijedor" Operational Group 10, which were still attempting to push South toward Kijuc. The addition of some 10,000 troops from the 7th Corps and other ARBiH commands greatly strengthened his ability to renew the drive on Sanski Most while still vigorously "defending KJjuc. With the arrival of these formations, Dudakovic regrouped his brigades, shifting OG "Center"—now reinforced with the ARBiH Guards Brigade and the 501st Brigade—to the left, while filling OG "South" with five 7th Corps brigades.

On 9 October, Dudakovic attacked with OGs "Center" and "South.The most important assault came in the middle under OG "Center," where the 502nd and 510th Brigades faced their old nemeses from the Grabez plateau—the 15th Bihac and 17th Kljuc Brigades. Again these VRS formations disintegrated under the 5th Corps blow, exposing the VRS formations on their flanks. Colonel Zeljaja's troops had to fall back or face encirclement. The next day, 10 October, elements of the 43rd Motorized Brigade and the 11th Dubica Brigade tried and failed to halt the 5lh Corps at the outskirts of Sanski Most, and the Bosnians seized the town. Despite the national ceasefire agreement scheduled to go into effect on the morning of 12 October, it looked as if Dudakovic had the VRS on the run, and so he continued the offensive. OG "Center" suddenly took a sharp check, however, when the undaunted 43rd Motorized Brigade rallied northeast of Sanski Most. Now the battles seesawed for most of a week, both sides continuing to jockey for position around Sanski Most without either being able to force significant changes in the frontline. The fighting faded to a fruitless finish on 20 October.


Iz knjige "Balkan Battlegrounds: A Military History of the Yugoslav Conflict, 1990-1995", Vol. I, CIA, Washington 2002

[Red Wolf]

Kakvi su to "prilazi Prijedoru" koji su 20km daleko od Prijedora?
Međuentitetska linija između Sanskog Mosta i Prijedora je na mjestu gdje su se linije nalazile u trenutku primirja.

ovo sto ti tvrdis nema veze sa realnoscu da ne upotrijebim tezu rijec,al nije to vise ni toliko vazno

Jednostavno je sve provjeriti, navedi jedinice, datume, lokacije.

Zanimljivo je kako svakih par godina se pokrene ova tema sa istim netačnostima, vrijedi zato i ovo ponoviti

Not Dead Yet: The VRS Counteroffensive,
24 September-6 October 1995

Despite the pummeling it was taking all over the country, the VRS still displayed its abilities as a counter-puncher. In western Bosnia in particular, the Serbs made a determined drive to roll back Bosnian Army gains around Bosanski Novi and Kljuc. After the HV's Operation "Una 95" and the ARBiH 5th Corps attacks on Sanski Most had been contained and in some cases pushed back in the fighting of 18-22 September, the VRS moved quickly to strike at the 5th Corps forces moving toward Bosanski Novi and Prijedor-Ljubija. Moving on the night of 23-24 September. Arkan's SDG and the VRS's veteran 65th Protection Regiment, 16th Krajina Motorized Brigade, and the 43rd Motorized Brigade struck hard against 5th Corps's OG "North." General Mladic personally supervised the operation. In six days of fighting, the OG's four brigades were driven back as much as 15 kilometers in some places. Then, with Bosanska Krupa and Otoka in sight, the VRS had to abruptly halt its attack as ARBiH gains around Mrkonjic Grad forced the VRS to shift reserves to this important sector.

Beginning about 20 September, the 5th Corps's OG "South" had undertaken its drive on Mrkonjic Grad. With the 17th Krajina on the left and 501st Mountain on the right, ARBiH troops pushed back parts of the demoralized 17th Kljuc Brigade, together with scattered parts of other formations. In over a week of advances, the two ARBiH brigades pushed forward some 17 kilometers, coming within 3 kilometers of Mrkonjic Grad and reaching the edge of the Manjaca Mountains, which protected Banja Luka from the south. By 1 October, VRS forces around Mrkonjic Grad were in a desperate situation.

Thus it was that the 16th Krajina Motorized Brigade and the SDG had to break off their successful counter-drive toward Bosanska Krupa and rush to newly threatened Banja Luka, coming under the command of Colonel Milenko Lazic's Operational Group 2/30th Division. To conduct the counterattack, two tactical groupings were created around Mrkonjic Grad. On the right, the 2nd Krajina Infantry and 16th Krajina Motorized Brigades were to drive west toward the Sana River northeast of Kljuc; while on the left, the Bosnian Serb Special Police Brigade, reinforced with the SDG (and probably Serbian RDB troops) pushed the 5th Corps away from Mrkonjic Grad. This group would then move on Kljuc itself. At least one armored battalion from the 1st Armored Brigade supported the attack. In addition, the reinforced 5th Kozara and 6th Sanske Infantry Brigades from "Prijedor" Operational Group 10 were to push south from the Sanski Most area toward Kljuc. The VRS hoped to crush OG "South" in the converging jaws. By 3 October, the VRS counterattack began to gain steam, driving back the 17th Krajina and the 501st, which had been reinforced with only one independent battalion. Additional 7th Corps reinforcements were on the way, but they were late in arriving. By 6 October, the VRS had pushed to within 1 kilometer of Kljuc from the east, having advanced some 17 kilometers in three days.

With the town of Kljuc on the verge of capture, the VRS apparently felt able to withdraw the 16th Krajina Brigade to reinforce threatened VRS positions in the Ozren Mountains. Just as the 16th Krajina departed, however, the ARBiH defenses stiffened with the arrival of the new 7th Corps formations. VRS troops—now primarily "Prijedor" OG forces from the 5th and 6th Brigades—continued to press against the 5th/7th Corps line near Krasulje, gaining little ground in heavy fighting through 8-9 October. The tables, however, were about lo turn again. The Croatian Army was preparing to reenter the battle. It was again the Serbs' turn to be surprised.

End Game—The Fall of Sanski Most and Mrkonjic Grad, October 1995

With Kliuc threatened, the Bosnian Army had again requested HV/HVO assistance. Zagreb agreed, since the capture of Mrkonjic Grad and a drive into the Manjaca Mountains—the objective for the HV/HVO operation—would give Zagreb a stranglehold over Banja Luka. With their forces poised to drive on the city, the Croatians would be in a position to ensure that the Serbs (the FRY and Republika Srpska) lived up to the tentative cease-fire agreement or to an eventual peace deal for Bosnia—or, even more important, for eastern Slavonia, the last Serb-controlled part of Croatia. If the Serbs refused to deal, Zagreb would take the city, conquering western Bosnia for itself and leaving Sarajevo with an enlarged Bihac pocket. In either case, Zagreb would further demonstrate and cement its role as the region's power broker.

The new HV/HVO operation, 'Juzni Potez* (Southern Move), was scheduled to begin on 8 October. General Gotovina, using HVO Brigadier Zeljko Glasnovic's OG "East," again led the HV/HVO assault. The main shock forces came from the redoubtable 4th and 7th Guards Brigades and the 1st HGZ. The three HVO Guards brigades and other independent battalions and companies were in the second echelon, giving Gotovina 11,000 to 12,000 troops. During the first phase of the operation, the HV Guards formations were to seize Mrkonjic Grad itself, together with the adjoining Podrasnica Valley and the road junction of Cadjavica—an advance of about 12 kilometers. During the second phase, the HVO Guards formations would take over the advance, seizing the southern edge of the Manjaca Mountains and the important Bocae hydroelectric plant—the last major source of electricity for Banja Luka and Serb-held western Bosnia. The whole operation was scheduled to take four days.

VRS Colonel Milenko Lazic's Operational Group-2/30th Division had consolidated its defenses around Mrkonjic Grad after Operation "Maestral" in September. The town was now defended by three brigades—the 7th Motorized, 3rd Serbian, and 11th Mrkonjic Light Infantry Brigades. The VRS force probably numbered about 5,500 troops. These formations had covered the rear of the VRS units undertaking the Kljuc counterattack, watching the HV/HVO.

The HV/HVO assault began on 8 October, with a diversionary attack by the HV 126th Home Defense Regiment and 1st HVO Guards Brigade against the VRS 11th Mrkonjic Brigade, some 15 to 20 kilometers west of Mrkonjic Grad. Gotovina hoped to mislead the VRS as to the direction and timing of the main attack. This came the next day, although the start was delayed for two hours by thick fog. A strong artillery-rocket bombardment was followed by Mi-24 helicopter gunship strikes on VRS positions. Despite this display of preparatory and supporting firepower, the opening HV/HVOattack encountered strong opposition. General Gotovina states that,

. . . the enemy offered strong resistance in all directions, through a well-organized and fortified defense, but also with strong, synchronized artillery fire.

The 1st HGZ, 4th Guards, and 7th Guards Brigades weathered the onslaught to punch their way into the VRS defenses, although the 7th Guards in particular had difficulties against its VRS namesake, the 7th Motorized Brigade, southeast of Mrkonjic Grad. By the end of 9 October, the HV had moved forward about 5 kilometers, partially enveloping the town and giving the defenders no respite.

The next day, VRS defenses began to disintegrate under the professional pounding of the HV/HVO. Mrkonjic Grad fell after the 4th Guards Brigade apparently broke through the 3rd Serbian Brigade's defenses southwest of town. This outflanked the 7th Motorized Brigade's staunch defenders, and the VRS troops had to pull out. The 1st HGZ and 4th Guards occupied Podrasnica and Cadjavica as they moved on Manjaca. On the right, the 7th Guards and the newly inserted 2nd HVO Guards Brigade advanced toward Bocac.

On 11 October, the HV units wore withdrawn and the two rernaiiung HVO Guards Brigades moved forward |n their place, Although VRS artillery fire roked the attackers, Ihe withdrawing VRS infantry and armor formations were disorganized, and the HVO troops were able reaeh their operation stop line along the southern edge of Manjaca—only 25 kilometers from Banja Luka
Meanwhile, General Dudakovic had been planning a counterstrike of his own against troops of the VRS "Prijedor" Operational Group 10, which were still attempting to push South toward Kijuc. The addition of some 10,000 troops from the 7th Corps and other ARBiH commands greatly strengthened his ability to renew the drive on Sanski Most while still vigorously "defending KJjuc. With the arrival of these formations, Dudakovic regrouped his brigades, shifting OG "Center"—now reinforced with the ARBiH Guards Brigade and the 501st Brigade—to the left, while filling OG "South" with five 7th Corps brigades.

On 9 October, Dudakovic attacked with OGs "Center" and "South.The most important assault came in the middle under OG "Center," where the 502nd and 510th Brigades faced their old nemeses from the Grabez plateau—the 15th Bihac and 17th Kljuc Brigades. Again these VRS formations disintegrated under the 5th Corps blow, exposing the VRS formations on their flanks. Colonel Zeljaja's troops had to fall back or face encirclement. The next day, 10 October, elements of the 43rd Motorized Brigade and the 11th Dubica Brigade tried and failed to halt the 5lh Corps at the outskirts of Sanski Most, and the Bosnians seized the town. Despite the national ceasefire agreement scheduled to go into effect on the morning of 12 October, it looked as if Dudakovic had the VRS on the run, and so he continued the offensive. OG "Center" suddenly took a sharp check, however, when the undaunted 43rd Motorized Brigade rallied northeast of Sanski Most. Now the battles seesawed for most of a week, both sides continuing to jockey for position around Sanski Most without either being able to force significant changes in the frontline. The fighting faded to a fruitless finish on 20 October.


Iz knjige "Balkan Battlegrounds: A Military History of the Yugoslav Conflict, 1990-1995", Vol. I, CIA, Washington 2002

E vidis upravo radi takvih koji u toplom domu u kvebeku ili sta ja znam gdje uce sta je bilo u i oko Prijedora iz knjiga na engleskom jeziku koje pisu ini kvazi experti i kazem i ponavljam IONAKO VISE NIJE BITNO!!

[Danguba]

Iz licne perspektive ...

Ja sam se borio da mog babu ovako ne povedu ovi barbari s istoka ... i nisu.



Dobio sam priliku da ucestvujem u necemu sto samo mali broj ljudi dozivi u svom zivotnom vijeku, a to je da budem dio neceg pravednog ... borba protiv zla, a odbrana onog meni najsvetijeg. Neponovljivo i nenadjebivo.

Armija RBiH je udarila jake temelje drzavi. Na slijedecim generacijama je da drzavu jacaju.

Bas tako...ne mozemo sve mi.

[Martinez_]

U tom i jeste kvaka. Armija R BiH se nije strateški borila za bilo koje pojedinačno područje u Bosni i Hercegovini pa da na osnovu toga izvučemo zaključak je li pobijedila ili izgubila rat. Bitki, bojeva i operacija je bilo uspješnih i neuspješnih kod svih sukobljenih vojnih snaga, to nije sporno. Međutim, ponavljam se još jednom :'' Armija R BIH je nastala, opstala i postala faktor koji se mora uvažavati i u ''Dejtonu'' , kao oružana sila koja je stajala iza referendumom verifikovane volje najvećeg dijela njenog stanovništva da žive u nezavisnoj, suverenoj i međunarodno priznatoj državi BIH.
Ako znamo da je RS BIH-VRS,HRHB-HVO, AP ZB... svojom strateškom koncepcijom bio protiv toga, ja ne vidim ni danas da je ta ideja poražena. Država je takva-kakva jeste ...u svojim okvirima.

U tim okvirima svi njeni državljani mogu naći svoje mjesto pod suncem. Malo dobre volje i pameti i to je to.

To nije nikakva zasluga ARBiH. Tako je, nije zadatak Armije bio da se bori za bilo koje područje posebno već da izađe na Drinu, Savu i Unu tj. očisti zemlju od terorista. Poređenja radi takav je zadatak sebi postavila HV i ona ga je i ispunila sa Olujom, samim tim je i pobedila. ARBiH taj zadatak nije ispunila i ne može se tvrditi da je izborila pobedu.


Zapravo sve zavisi od percepcije same ARBiH. Ovde je mnogi smatraju monoetničkom oružanom silom sa zadatkom da odbrani (jedan) narod i tako gledano, uspela je. Ako je pak u pitanju Armija Bosne i Hercegovine, onda nije ostvarila cilj.

[Gojeni H]

Iz licne perspektive ...

Ja sam se borio da mog babu ovako ne povedu ovi barbari s istoka ... i nisu.



Dobio sam priliku da ucestvujem u necemu sto samo mali broj ljudi dozivi u svom zivotnom vijeku, a to je da budem dio neceg pravednog ... borba protiv zla, a odbrana onog meni najsvetijeg. Neponovljivo i nenadjebivo.

Armija RBiH je udarila jake temelje drzavi. Na slijedecim generacijama je da drzavu jacaju.

Pa i ja isto jbg...

...samo bogami vodili su i ovi sa zapada (heliodrom, babo,...).

Slazem se.

[VjecitiStudent]

Iz knjige "Balkan Battlegrounds: A Military History of the Yugoslav Conflict, 1990-1995", Vol. I, CIA, Washington 2002

E vidis upravo radi takvih koji u toplom domu u kvebeku ili sta ja znam gdje uce sta je bilo u i oko Prijedora iz knjiga na engleskom jeziku koje pisu ini kvazi experti i kazem i ponavljam IONAKO VISE NIJE BITNO!!

Ovo je pf (H)istorija/povijest i citiranje referentnih izvora kad god su dostupni je itekako nužno.
A gornja knjiga je itekako referentan izvor, napravljena od organizacije koja je imala neposredan uvid u događaje iz bezbroj prvorazrednih izvora.
Da nije ovakvih izvora sve bi bilo na nivou "ispričao mi amiđinog tetića komšija čiji je otac bio tamo."