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#1 Bošnjaci ipak NISU Iliri - najnovija istraživanja!!!

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NOVA SAZNANJA O FAMOZNOJ HAPLOGRUPI I2a1b1
Na Balkansko poluostrvo došla sa Karpata preko Istočne Europe u VI stoljeću, kao posljedica Slavenskih migracija. Ovaj gen uopšte nije star 10 000 godina kako se u početku smatralo, već je nastao prije 2500 godina u Istočnoj Europi.
Neutemeljene priče o tzv. "Ilirskom genu" Bošnjaka (Hrvata i Srba) ovim najnovijim rezultatima genetičara padaju definitivno u vodu!!!

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"Former I2a2a in the Y2010 tree. I2a1b1 (L69.2(=T)/S163.2) is typical of the South Slavic populations of south-eastern Europe, being highest in Bosnia-Herzegovina (>50%).Haplogroup I2a1b1 is also commonly found in north-eastern Italians.There is also a high concentration of I2a2a in north-east Romania, Moldova and western Ukraine. In 2010 has Ken Nordtvedt argued that I2a1b1 is too young not to have been a result of a sudden expansion. According to him I2a1b1 arose not earlier than 2500 years ago in Eastern Europe. He has presumed this to be a consequence from the Slavic invasion of the Balkans, from the area north-east of the Carpathians since 500 CE. In 2011 Nordtvedt has confirmed I2a1b1 is not older than 2,800 years. In his last comments about Haplogroup I tree and the conjectured spread map, he locates the start of the I2a1b1 lineage around the middle course of the Vistula."

Zanimljivo, genetska istraživanja, također, geografski se poklapaju sa historijskim razmještajem Slavenskih naroda prije:

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Ovdje vidimo da je navedena haplogrupa i njene varijacije karakterističan "genetski kod" kod SVIH Slavenskih naroda. R1a haplogrupa, koja se do sada smatrala karakterističnom za Slavene, karakteristična je zapravo samo za Ruse.

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No, i o prisutnosti R1a (tzv. "slavenske") haplogrupe među našim stanovništvom poprilično se krilo. Javnosti su objavljivani tek prvobitni, eksperimentalni rezultati genetskih istraživanja, a naknadne potvrde, nikad nisu predočene javnosti. Haplogrupa R1a, najprisutnija je u Bosni i Hercegovini od svih južnoslavenskih zemalja:

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Sa više od 30% (prema najnovijim istraživanjima iz 2011. godine):

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Pa dobro za koga sad treba da glasam? :lol:
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za Batona :lol: :lol: :lol:
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nista ja ovo nekontam,

super su ova istrazivanja koja nemaju izvora a crtaca karata ko pasjih prekakala :D
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A budalastine Boze dragi :lol: :lol:
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Čuj nismo Iliri :mrgreen:
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ja sam...SIRIUSLI...od sad pa na dalje i ubuduce JETI :skoljka: :D
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here we go again :D
alcho wrote:Pa dobro za koga sad treba da glasam? :lol:
:lol: :thumbup:
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Ja kao potomak rimskog legionara koji je imao vilu na Ilidži i koji je umro braneći civilizaciju od barbarskih napada slavenskih hordi sa gnušanjem odbijam ove i slične tvrdnje :)

ps. ko je radio,koji uzorak,kako ,što mene niko nije zvao da mi provjeri gene i kako se uopšte vrši odabir :?:
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Moj svijet se srusio.
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Ovo sve me podsjeti na onaj vic kad se zeko napusio, i govore mu Medo i Lija budalo sta to radis a on iz potoka, jebite se kopnene zivotinje :mrgreen:
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a sta smo sad mi tu :D
zeko ili kopnena zivotinja? :D
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Ma.Le.Na wrote:a sta smo sad mi tu :D
zeko ili kopnena zivotinja? :D
jasno je samo da nismo iliri :-D
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meni je zeko legenda :D

stipu...ja sam Jeti....oni ce meni govoriti sta sam :x :D
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ama da je zelje,voće i povrće zdravo zeko bi bio lav a ne zeko.... :mrgreen:
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jesmo l' barem bogumili :? :(
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zambaklija wrote:ama da je zelje,voće i povrće zdravo zeko bi bio lav a ne zeko.... :mrgreen:
i ja mislim upravo tako
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harač wrote:jesmo l' barem bogumili :? :(
kako će mo biti bogu mili kad nas handri i zigu ko stigne a čini mi se mi sebe sami ponajviše....
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zambaklija wrote:
harač wrote:jesmo l' barem bogumili :? :(
kako će mo biti bogu mili kad nas handri i zigu ko stigne a čini mi se mi sebe sami ponajviše....
:(
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Mozda smo Bantu crnci ?
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Platformas wrote:Mozda smo Bantu crnci ?
ne možeš tako iznositi hipoteze,gdje ti je karta,gdje su ti obiljezeni haplogeni ccc
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slobodni armirach wrote:nista ja ovo nekontam,

super su ova istrazivanja koja nemaju izvora a crtaca karata ko pasjih prekakala :D
"Former I2a2a in the Y2010 tree. I2a1b1 (L69.2(=T)/S163.2) is typical of the South Slavic populations of south-eastern Europe, being highest in Bosnia-Herzegovina (>50%).[15] Haplogroup I2a1b1 is also commonly found in north-eastern Italians.[16] There is also a high concentration of I2a2a in north-east Romania, Moldova and western Ukraine. In 2010 has Ken Nordtvedt argued that I2a1b1 is too young not to have been a result of a sudden expansion.[17] According to him I2a1b1 arose not earlier than 2500 years ago in Eastern Europe. He has presumed this to be a consequence from the Slavic invasion of the Balkans, from the area north-east of the Carpathians since 500 CE.[18] In 2011 Nordtvedt has confirmed I2a1b1 is not older than 2,800 years.[19] In his last comments about Haplogroup I tree and the conjectured spread map, he locates the start of the I2a1b1 lineage around the middle course of the Vistula.[20]"


LITERATURA

- 15 - Marijana Peričić et al., High-Resolution Phylogenetic Analysis of Southeastern Europe Traces Major Episodes of Paternal Gene Flow Among Slavic Populations, Molecular Biology and Evolution, vol. 22, no. 10 (October 2005), pp. 1964-1975 - http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/conte ... /1964/FIG3 (figure 3)
- 16 - Vincenza Battaglia et al., Y-chromosomal evidence of the cultural diffusion of agriculture in southeast Europe, European Journal of Human Genetics advance online publication 24 December 2008.
- 17 - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/t ... 1275835739
- 18 - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/t ... 1270925314
- 19 - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/t ... 1307391302
- 20 - http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net/Tree ... Hg%20I.pdf
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zambaklija wrote:ama da je zelje,voće i povrće zdravo zeko bi bio lav a ne zeko.... :mrgreen:
Dok ne probam lava, zamene je janje kralj zivotinja! :lol:
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jebe mi se ja sam Kelt (opet slusam Orthodox Celtse) :mrgreen:
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