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Ovo je covjek za koga ste vjerovatno ranije culi. Ovome covjeku je sad, vise nego ikad potrebna nasa podrska.


Hoće li iko odgovarati što su u julu 1995. godine Hasanu Nuhanoviću ubijeni otac, majka i brat? Možda. Hasan kao jedini preživjeli u svojoj porodici sada tuži Kraljevinu Holandiju zato što su holandski vojnici odbili da ih zaštite, te ih hladnokrvno predali srpskim vojnicima, koji su ih, kao i hiljade drugih, ubili. Sudski proces počinje u Hagu 16. juna.

Piše: Asim Bešlija

Hasanu Nuhanoviću ovo je možda posljednja šansa da potraži pravdu zbog toga što su srpski vojnici 11. jula 1995.godine pobili svu njegovu porodicu, dok je on zbog oznake UN koju je nosio na prsima ostao živ. On će se 16. juna pojaviti pred okružnim sudom u Hagu gdje počinje saslušanje na osnovu civilne tužbe koju je Nuhanović podnio protiv holandske države. On zajedno sa porodicom Rize Mustafića traži utvrđivanje odgovornosti Holandije zbog toga što su njene trupe propustile da zaštite njihove porodice koje su ubijene tokom masovnih zločina Vojske Republike Srpske.

Hasan Nuhanović bio je prevodilac Holandskog bataljona, dok je Rizo Mustafić bio električar u njihovoj bazi u Potočarima, i u vrijeme kada su hiljade izbjeglica potražile sklonište kod trupa koje su ih trebale štiti. Umjesto toga, Holanđani su izbjeglice predali srpskim vojnicima koji su hladnokrvno pobili na hiljade ljudi.

U akciji protiv holandske države gdje se vodi debata oko raspodjele odgovornosti između UN-a i zemalja članica, zastupnica Nuhanovića i porodice Mustafić, advokat Liesbeth Zegveld će iznijeti tvrdnju da su holandska vlada i holandska komanda pri UNPROFOR-u odgovorne za nemar koji su pokazale holandske trupe, a koje su prvenstveno bile zabrinute za sigurnost kontingenta i nisu pokazale pažnju za civilno stanovništvo koje im je povjereno na brigu. Porodice ponajprije žele da saznaju i ustanove istinu o tome zašto su Ibro, Nasiha, i Muhamed Nuhanović te Rizo Mustafić bili poslani u smrt pod brutalnim okolnostima kada su Ujedinjene nacije obećale da će se pobrinuti za njihovu sigurnost.



Praznih ruku, punih sjećanja

Iako već više od deceniju vodi neumornu bitku da dođe do pravde za svoju porodicu koja je tek tako ubijena, Hasan Nuhanović do sada nije imao mnogo sreće. Jedina stvar u koju je ovaj čovjek siguran da ima jesu sjećanja na one posljednje momente sa njegovom porodicom, prije nego su ih Holanđani predali Srbima koji su ih potom ubili. Hasan je svjedok sa mjesta događaja i čovjek koji ima svoju vjerodostojnu priču, priču koja svjedoči o licemjerju UN-a i holandskih trupa onda kada su trebali zaštiti nedužne srebreničke civile. Hasanova svjedočenja možda su najbolje opisana u njegovim pričama koje možete naći svuda na internetu, a posebno onoj nazvanoj 'Večera moje majke' gdje sasvim precizno iznosi sramnu ulogu Holanđana kada su trebali pružiti pomoć.

Naime, u ovoj priči Nuhanović opisuje običaj koji je imao da svaki put kada bi u Srebrenicu došli novi oficiri UNPROFOR-a, on bi ih pozivao na večeru koju je pripremala njegova majka, od hrane koju je on uspio kupiti jer je zarađivao kao prevodilac. Hasan se prisjeća da je hrana za njih bila mnogo bolja od one koju je većinom jelo 20 izbjeglica u kući u kojoj je i on živio. Njegova majka napravila bi sarme, pite te hurmašice kako bi počastila strane goste. Bila je to bosanska gostoprimljivost, koju je naglašavao i njegov otac svaki put kad bi im stranci dolazili u goste.

'Vi koji ste u Srebrenicu došli izdaleka, iz Londona, Pariza, Haga, vi ste naš prozor u svijet. Mi nemamo novina, nemamo struje ni televizije. Mi smo potpuno odsječeni od svijeta, i kada vas gledam i slušam ovog momenta, osjećam kao da sam na nekom drugom mjestu - negdje u Parizu, Londonu, negdje u normalnom svijetu gdje nema rata, patnje, ubijanja. Hvala vam što ste došli', govorio bi Hasanov otac, ni ne sluteći šta će mu poslije prirediti ti isti ljudi.



'Tvoja mama je pravila tako dobre kolače'

Jedan od ljudi koji je dolazio kod Hasana na večere bio je izvjesni Mark Foster, Britanac, do čijeg je broja Hasan slučajno došao 1997. godine, očajnički tražeći svoju nestalu porodicu, i pomoć u traženju. Hasan se prisjeća da ne zna je li bio u nekoj zoni sumraka ili razgovarao sa stvarnom osobom imenom Mark Foster koji mu je, nakon što je čuo da mu je porodica nestala, rekao: 'Žao mi je, Hasane. Tvoja majka je pravila tako ukusne kolače'.

Drugi čovjek kojeg se Hasan prisjeća je holandski kapetan Andre de Haan. Kada je u noći 12. jula Hasan saznao da je odmah ispred baze ubijeno devet ljudi, te to saopćio svojoj porodici, njegova majka je počela gubiti svijest. Nalazili su se u improviziranom uredu u bazi u Potočarima kojim je rukovodio upravo de Haan, koji je bio njihov čest gost prije pada Srebrenice. Kada je njegova majka shvatila da će svi biti ubijeni, počela je padati pa ju je Hasan spustio na krevet. Nekoliko koraka od njih stajali su de Haan, jedna njemačka medicinska sestra i jedan australijski ljekar. Niko nije ništa poduzeo niti okrenuo glavu prema njegovoj majci, kao da nije postojala, kao da je bila dio namještaja, prisjeća se Hasan.

'Taj isti de Haan, samo nekoliko sedmica prije, jeo je bosanske sarme kod moje mame i dao joj je nekoliko komplimenata kako dobro kuha.

Sutra, 13. jula, oko 5-6 sati poslijepodne, taj isti de Haan izrekao je osuđujuću rečenicu za moju porodicu: "Hasane, reci tvojoj maci, bratu i ocu da napuste bazu“. Gledao je na mene i njih, dok su iza nas stajala trojica dobro naoružanih holandskih vojnika. Svi su gledali na nas kao da su pitali – šta čekate? Vani, odmah ispred baze, srpski vojnici su ubijali bosanski narod. Ja sam ih i dalje molio da barem ostave moga brata', opisao je Hasan Nuhanović svoja detaljna sjećanja na najgore momente njegovog života.

Njegov brat se podigao, rekao da ih više ne moli za ostanak, rekao mu da ide napolje i da ako može, on ostane sa Holanđanima. Njegov brat, majka i otac otišli su zauvijek. Kao i ostali civili iz baze. Iza njih su ostale da vise holandska kraljevska zastava, zastava UN-a i plastična pločica na Hasanovim prsima na kojoj je pisalo UN i zbog koje on nije ubijen.

Trinaest godina nakon ovih događanja, Hasan odlazi u zemlju ovih vojnika da pita njih i njihovu vladu - ko je kriv?

My comments to certain paragraphs of the 2nd Statement of Defense of the State of Netherlands in a civil (tort) case Hasan Nuhanovic vs. State of Netherlands

Hasan - Comment No 1 – As it is written in the rejoinder



If we, the Court and all parties involved in the case, do not accept the fact that DB expelled the refugees from the base it is pointless to continue any discussion regarding other issues referred to in the rejoinder.


Comments - by paragraphs of the 2nd state of defense of the state

1. Introduction

1. …They clearly show that Dutchbat was completely overrun by the Bosnian-Serb Army, … that the refugees were removed by the BSA, that Dutchbat did its best to protect the refugees, …




The Dutchbat continued to operate within the perimeter of the compound without any direct physical interference from the BSA. Not once did the BSA violate the perimeter of the compound on the critical dates, 12 or 13 July. At the moment when my family was ordered to leave the base the only soldiers inside the compound were the members of Dutchbat.

Neither my family nor other Bosniak refugees present on the compound were removed from the compound by the BSA. It was the Dutchbat that removed the refugees from the compound.

2. …he describes a scenario in which the refugees were expelled from the compound.



Yes, the refugees, including my family were expelled from the compound and there has been enough evidence confirming this including the preliminary hearings from June 2005, and, for example, the statements signed by the three UNMO-s.

Does this part of the statement of defense means that we are back to 1995 when I and many other people from Srebrenica began our plight for truth, when we were the ones, instead of the Dutchbat and UNPROFOR, who had to report the events from Potocari to the world.

That the Dutchbat expelled the refugees from the base is a well established fact.

3. …this scenario does not correspond with reality.



No comment. Do the state lawyers know what the reality was? If they do can they describe the circumstances under which my family “walked out of the compound”.



One comment unrelated to any paragraph – regarding the legal status of the refugees on the base and the Dutchbat legal status, and the legal grounds for the Dutchbat to expel the refugees from the base. i.e. to not allow the refugees to remain on the base.

I am exploring the possibility to claim that the refugees were, while they were still in the base, covered by the US Security Council Resolution as well.

336. The representative of the United Kingdom stated that this Council has now requested the Secretary-General to use all resources available to him to promote the restoration of the status of Srebrenica as a safe area, as agreed by the parties in April 1993. It is through demilitarization of the area that the civilian population who wish to do so will be able to remain without fear. This Council has reaffirmed that objective. We hope that UNPROFOR, acting within its mandate, can bring the parties once more to recognize that full implementation of the April 1993 Agreement represents the best way forward.

Bellow is an excerpt of the UN Security Council Resolution 1004 which was adopted on 12 July

To me it looks like this –

As my family (and other refugees) remained on the base, which occupied a part of the territory of the UN Safe Area on 12 and 13 July the paragraphs 5 and 6 of the Resolution obliged UNPROFOR/Dutchbat to take action accordingly. The Resolution came into force the same day (as far as I know). In other words, why would the UN High Commissioner for Refugees and other humanitarian agencies ask for unimpeded access to the safe area of Srebrenica if the Dutchbat was to expel the refugees the next day.

Also, paragraph 6 says: … to restore the status as defined …

The territory of the compound was not occupied by the BSA on 12 or 13 July so the territory of the compound still had the status of a UN Safe Area and did not have to be restored. So, the refugees, by being inside the DB compound were inside a safe area and had the right to remain there. By expelling them the DB violated all UN SC resolutions on the Srebrenica safe area.

Excerpt from NIOD report:

The departure of Dutchbat from Srebrenica

9. Conclusion

Summarizing, it could be said that the persons and organizations that were most involved had to choose between two deeply felt convictions (a) to get Dutchbat home quickly and safely and (b) to protect the people who had flowed through to Potocari for as long as the Bosnian Serbs were in the vicinity. The balance between the two choices shifted for each person and institution through time, but they eventually became reconciled: it soon emerged that Dutchbat could not leave Potocari as long as some of the population were still there.

Another excerpt from the NIOD report

Part IV
The repercussion and the aftermath until the end of 1995

Chapter 4
Potocari – Dutchbat and the fate of the local population

... Nuhanovic family an unfortunate ‘slip of the pen’ had occurred. Franken recounted that he had made a conscious decision, which indeed came to mean ‘that I sent this family to their death. That is correct’


Part IV
The repercussion and the aftermath until the end of 1995

Chapter 4
Potocari – Dutchbat and the fate of the local population


Except for Hasan, the Nuhanovic family was one of the last to leave the Dutch compound, on July 13. UNMOs at the main gate took their names down visibly to the VRS, in the hope that this might give them protection. Franken was also there, who, as earlier mentioned, had still pointed out in vain to Ibro that he could remain on the compound. He was completely astounded when Ibro Nuhanovic kissed him on the cheek and said goodbye.1[33]

This was the last that was heard from Ibro, Naisha and Muhamed Nuhanovic. Their son Hasan, after first still having hoped that they were alive, meanwhile assumed that they had perished. Through the grapevine and through asking questions for a long time, he now has certainty.2[34]

Shortly after the departure of his family, Hasan to his amazement found out that a number of family members of Médecins Sans Frontières had indeed remained behind on the compound. He could not understand why they had been saved but his brother had not. This question would also repeatedly arise in later debates. As early as November 1995 Deputy Spokesman Kreemers discovered that NRC reporter Frank Westerman had ‘information that Médecins Sans Frontières had, in fact, cheated about the status of local personnel and that Dutchbat on the whole had not’.3[35] Groen-Links MP Sipkes couched her questions in similar terms in 1996, when she inquired why Dutchbat had gone strictly by the book, while Médecins Sans Frontières ‘didn’t give a hoot about the ‘pass regulation’’.4[36] Also Defence Minister Voorhoeve, in an internal correspondence, designated as a ‘key question’ ‘whether Dutchbat could not have done a little more in order to save a number of lives’. With that he already indicated himself that an answer could not be given, ‘as we do not know how far Dutchbat could have gone in stretching the possible limits’.5[37] Hence the attempt now to define this limit and examine to what extent the impression is true that Médecins Sans Frontières were more flexible in regard to their own personnel than Dutchbat was.

Comment – Hasan –

…”Hence the attempt now to define this limit and examine to what extent the impression is true that Médecins Sans Frontières were more flexible in regard to their own personnel than Dutchbat was”.

If the DB did not expel the refugees who whose names were not on the DB’s list (29 as mentioned in NIOD report, including the family members of the MSF personnel) what does then the above sentence mean. DB was not as flexible as the MSF about what?

I continue with quotes from the state’s statement of defence

2.

2.1

…Mr. Franken…If I had allowed all the refugees to enter the base, it would have been completely crowded from fence to fence and movement would have been impossible.

Hasan – Comment – here Franken at least confirms that DB was in control of the compound on 11 July and that it was able to decide how many refugees would enter the base.

Later in the text of the statement of defence (I will refer to it) it is written that there was no difference between the area inside and outside of the compound.

This claim obviously does not stand as I may be concluded from the above quoted part of the statement of defence.

Quote – from the same part of the statement of defence:

…No notable selection took place. Nobody said: you can come, but you can not….

This is not true. At one point DB only allowed women with babies to enter the compound. So, families were separated there on the spot even before the BSA came to Potocari the next day.

Quote from the same part of the statement of defence:

…a fax from General Gobilliard, General Smith’s deputy….The first is the instruction to protect the refugees. Why did he [Karremans] consider this unfeasible?

Hasan – comment

An instruction came along the UN chain of command but Karremans opposed it.

Wasn’t the chance to keep my family on the base the chance to protect (some) refugees? Why would that not be feasible?

So, DB clearly detached itself from the UN chain of command. The only instructions the DB followed were those from Mladic.

INSERT GOBILLIARD’S ORDER

2.2

Quote from the statement of defence:

Mr. Franken: People were already dying. We buried nine…My information was that we could hold out for another four days, maybe one day more or less, depending on the weather.

Hasan – comment – was my father, mother or brother dying, were they ill, did they demand any medical assistance. No, they did not demand from DB anything, neither food, nor medical assistance, they only asked DB for permission to remain on the compound.

2.3

Quote from the statement of defence

…we decided to prepare the busloads ourselves so the Serbs could not overfill the buses. I think it was a good move…

Hasan – comment – the buses were parked outside of the DB compound. My family was inside. So, how did them my family get from point A (DB compound interior) to point B (buses, outside of the DB main gate) – if, as claimed by the State, they were not expelled by DB?


Quote from the same part of the statement of defence – same part



Hasan – comment – again, as in the preliminary hearings, Franken conforms that some refugees did not board the buses voluntarily. This includes my family. They were not removed from the compound by BSA. It is admitted in the rejoinder that all refugees did not want to go to the buses voluntarily.

Quote from the rejoinder:

What does this have to do with my family who were (as confirmed by NIOD) among the last refugees in Potocari, i.e. on the compound. How did this …conscious decision…related to my family in the evening of 13 July?

Quote from the rejoinder:

Was this not a sufficient reason not to expel the refugees from the base?

Quote from the rejoinder:

Hasan – comment – this confirms that the DB knew that the refugees who boarded the buses could be removed from the bus at any point. The DB did not tell the refugees or my family that they had been aware of that. The DB, Franken and others, pretended as if the process of the refugees going out of the compound to reach the buses was the only and best solution.

Quote from the rejoinder:

This confirms that the statement made in the rejoinder that there was no difference between the area outside and inside the compound is not correct. The state contradicts itself. Why would Franken, in theory/hypothetically, as he stated, be even considering taking the men “back into the compound” from the white house if the interior of the compound was not safer than the area outside of the compound.

Quite from the rejoinder:





Hasan – comment – I am not aware of any reports having been communicated to higher level of command regarding the killings of the people in Potocari.

Hasan - another comment – regarding Franken’s statement, it is clear that the state only refers to part of Franken’s statement which concerns the situation outside of the compound. All of the questions and all of the answers in the quoted parts of the statement relate to the area outside of the compound. However, while it is good to have that information in order to get the context in which the event took place (the expulsion of my family) it should be made very clear that the critical event for which I blame the Dutchbat took place inside the compound.

The following quote from the rejoinder will make it more clear what approach has the state taken in its statement of defense.

2.4 Hasan – comment, as the following quotes from the rejoinder are named: Conclusion from this (Franken’s) statement we have to pay special attention to those parts.

Hasan – comment – all incorrect

Hasan – comment

The following is one of the most important, if not the most important, parts of the rejoinder:



Again, as in the beginning of the rejoinder, this is another attempt to downplay the action of expelling my family from the base. The crucial point of the case is that the interior and the exterior of the compound were clearly distinguishable. No killings took place inside the compound. The Serbs were not even present inside the compound and when they were, for a brief moment, they did not harm anyone.



Hasan – comment - My family did not storm the buses.

Also, how could any refugees storm the buses while on the compound? The buses were, obviously not parked on the compound. My family was on the compound.


The following is the most important part of the rejoinder (quote):



Hasan – comment - I explained this many times before, and I will explain how events developed when I get a chance to speak at the courtroom.

Quote from the rejoinder (same part):



Hasan – comment – I should simply ask for clarification on what is not correct in my description of the photographs, which part does no justice to the real course of events.




2.4.2 Quote from the rejoinder (same part):



Hasan – comment – this is hypothesis made by the state. That hypothesis has no more weight or relevance from the hypothesis which I can make and which is that – had my family, or other refugees, been allowed to remain on the base they would have remained in safety and that would have ultimately saved their lives.

However, I do not want to speak hypothetically. I want to speak and present facts about what had actually taken place and not what could have taken place.

What did take place was that my family was ordered out of the compound by Dutchbat.

2.4.3 Quote from the rejoinder:

Hasan – comment – “which both Dutchbat and the refugees saw as the only way out”.

My family, my father, brother, mother and I clearly indicated to the Dutchbat members on 12 and 13 July 1995 that we did not see this as the only way out and that, on the contrary, remaining on the base was the way out, i.e. the way to survive. i.e. avoid being killed.

Hasko, zelim ti da istrajes.

bivsi kolega

srteno HASANE

... i ako ne bude pravde,bice sta ce biti.Kad tad.Previse ima Hasana,malih i vekih.

jedan od rijetkih koji je prozivio bosansku golgotu i ostao citavog uma...sretno hasane!

WizzardFromBOZ wrote:jedan od rijetkih koji je prozivio bosansku golgotu i ostao citavog uma...sretno hasane!

Narod Srebrenice i Bosne jeste herojski narod.I sav taj narod jeste narod zdravog uma!

Hasan je prepusten samom sebi.Samo on kao i svaki pojedinac(koji je dozivio slicnu sudbinu) nosi/e teret svoga bola?!Njegovu tragediju koriste svi kad nekom nesto zatreba,po malo strpkaju ko pitu krompirusu.I ovdje je to primjetno, tek tako da se dokaze patriotizam.

P.S
Ko se dobro ne zamisli nad Hasanovom sudbinom mozda nece imati vremena jednog dana da se kaje!

Cini mi se da bi ova tema trebala biti jedna od aktuelnih na ovom podforumu jer Hasanov "slucaj" nije samo njegov slucaj vec i svih nas. Stoga, svi oni koji se nalaze u Holandiji, a koji smatraju da su duzni da daju podrsku Hasanu, imaju priliku da dodju pred sud u Hagu, slijedeceg ponedjeljka!!!! Toliko valjda mozemo uciniti ?

Vjerujem da svi Bosanci zdravih pogleda na zivot podrzavaju Hasana Nuhanovica ali oni koji mu sada svojom podrskom mogu pomoci u borbi za pravdu su Bosanci koji zive u Holandiji. I zato Bosanci koji zivite u Holandiji/Nizozemskoj darujte djelic svog slobodnog vremena za podrsku Nuhanovicu. Nuhanoviceva borba za pravdu nije samo osobno njegova, nego i svih nas Bosanaca koji jasno i posteno definiramo zlocin. Zlocin nad slabim i nezasticenim.

Danas je bitan dan za Bosnu i Hercegovinu. Neka se pamti!

nadam se da je bilo ljudi. Ne daj se Hasane!

Varas se.
Nije bilo ljudi.
Koji smo mi nesolidarni idioti.

Evo izvjestaja sa lica mjesta:

"Jedan autobus, iz Berlina, organizovan od strane njemacke organizacije Drustvo ugrozenih naroda. Nas 15tak vani, od toga 6 stranaca, tj Njemaca, nekolicina majki Srebrenice, Bratunca....."

A nasa dijaspora??????????
Aferima stvarno!

Danas smo opet pokazali koliko nismo vrijedni Hasana i njegove borbe, te svih zrtava koje su pale za BiH. Danas je Hasan opet stajao sam u potrazi za istinom i pravdom, a mi smo mu, gradjani BiH koji zive u Holandiji okrenuli ledja. Kao sto smo to cinili i 26 februara prosle godine kada je donesena presuda o genocidu u BiH .........i kao i svih ovih godina! Samo zahvaljujuci Drustvu ugrozenih naroda iz Njemacke, cijim je autobusom stigla nekolicina muskaraca i zena iz Berlina, te nekolicini stranaca koji su pratili ovu grupu, Hasan se danas nije pojavio sam u Palati Pravde u Hagu. Neizostavna Ingeborg Beugel, koja je pored svih obaveza i posjete zubaru, nasla za shodno da se nadje uz Hasana. I u ime nas. Koji ne postojimo. I kojih nema. Jos po koji Bosanac, nastanjen u Holandiji i prazna ulica.......Jedino impozantno u ovom skupu je plakat sa ispisanim imenima zrtava u Srebrenici. A sve mi se cini, da je stvarnost obratna i da su njihova imena ziva, a mi ostajemo mrtvi. Kako je suditi po ucescu, izgleda da to uistinu i jesmo.
BiH platforma ( koja predstavlja gradjane iz BiH nastanjene u Nizozemskoj!!!) ucinila je uistinu gest vrijedan spomena.......ili suza: Na svojoj stranici http://www.bihplatform.nl/bh/index.html pozvali su sugradjane da daju svoju podrsku u danasnjem danu. Od koga je, valjda, dosta je. Mozda i previse, sobzirom da su novci od subvencija vec odavno potroseni !?!? a pozicije podijeljene i ustolicene, pa nema bojazni za sudbinom. Islamska zajednica u Rotterdamu? Kojekakva udruzenja Bosanaca i Hercegovaca? Imamo vele i prvo udruzenje koje broji ne znam koliko doktora nauka...................Preduslov za clanstvo je cini mi se akademska titula. Sto u ovom trenutku moze znaciti samo jedno. Akademska titula koja ne vrijedi ni pisljiva boba! Trunimo nad velicinom savjesti koju Hasan iskazuje svih ovih godina, a koju mi, samoljubivi i robovi sitnih pobuda, nikada necemo poznavati. Sram da nas bude Bosanci i Hercegovci.

Mnogo je tužnih ratnih sudbina...Hasanova i njegove porodice je potresna do boli...

IBM wrote:Ovo je covjek za koga ste vjerovatno ranije culi. Ovome covjeku je sad, vise nego ikad potrebna nasa podrska.

Nisam čuo za njega, ali ako je za bosansku stvar spreman sam dati podršku, moralnu naravno.
A ako mislite na novčanu, tu ne računajte na mene.
Sjećate se kolike pare smo očekivali od one tužbe protiv Srbije, pa nam se sve izjalovilo.

veseli-bosanac wrote:

IBM wrote:Ovo je covjek za koga ste vjerovatno ranije culi. Ovome covjeku je sad, vise nego ikad potrebna nasa podrska.

Nisam čuo za njega, ali ako je za bosansku stvar spreman sam dati podršku, moralnu naravno.
A ako mislite na novčanu, tu ne računajte na mene.
Sjećate se kolike pare smo očekivali od one tužbe protiv Srbije, pa nam se sve izjalovilo.

Ama ljudiiiiiii , pravda se ne moze iskazati novcem.

Nisam do sada a borim se za i u buduce, da se ne stidim bosanke pripadnosti a sve zbog sitnosicardziskog i "ma nije to moj problem" mentaliteta.

tempora wrote:Danas smo opet pokazali koliko nismo vrijedni Hasana i njegove borbe, te svih zrtava koje su pale za BiH. Danas je Hasan opet stajao sam u potrazi za istinom i pravdom, a mi smo mu, gradjani BiH koji zive u Holandiji okrenuli ledja. Kao sto smo to cinili i 26 februara prosle godine kada je donesena presuda o genocidu u BiH .........i kao i svih ovih godina! Samo zahvaljujuci Drustvu ugrozenih naroda iz Njemacke, cijim je autobusom stigla nekolicina muskaraca i zena iz Berlina, te nekolicini stranaca koji su pratili ovu grupu, Hasan se danas nije pojavio sam u Palati Pravde u Hagu. Neizostavna Ingeborg Beugel, koja je pored svih obaveza i posjete zubaru, nasla za shodno da se nadje uz Hasana. I u ime nas. Koji ne postojimo. I kojih nema. Jos po koji Bosanac, nastanjen u Holandiji i prazna ulica.......Jedino impozantno u ovom skupu je plakat sa ispisanim imenima zrtava u Srebrenici. A sve mi se cini, da je stvarnost obratna i da su njihova imena ziva, a mi ostajemo mrtvi. Kako je suditi po ucescu, izgleda da to uistinu i jesmo.
BiH platforma ( koja predstavlja gradjane iz BiH nastanjene u Nizozemskoj!!!) ucinila je uistinu gest vrijedan spomena.......ili suza: Na svojoj stranici http://www.bihplatform.nl/bh/index.html pozvali su sugradjane da daju svoju podrsku u danasnjem danu. Od koga je, valjda, dosta je. Mozda i previse, sobzirom da su novci od subvencija vec odavno potroseni !?!? a pozicije podijeljene i ustolicene, pa nema bojazni za sudbinom. Islamska zajednica u Rotterdamu? Kojekakva udruzenja Bosanaca i Hercegovaca? Imamo vele i prvo udruzenje koje broji ne znam koliko doktora nauka...................Preduslov za clanstvo je cini mi se akademska titula. Sto u ovom trenutku moze znaciti samo jedno. Akademska titula koja ne vrijedi ni pisljiva boba! Trunimo nad velicinom savjesti koju Hasan iskazuje svih ovih godina, a koju mi, samoljubivi i robovi sitnih pobuda, nikada necemo poznavati. Sram da nas bude Bosanci i Hercegovci.

Nije nekolicina nego 40 ljudi iz Berlina i Gottingena te dvadesetak iz Holandije. Pitam se samo sto ti ne ode, kad tako drzis pridiku svima!

veseli-bosanac wrote:

IBM wrote:Ovo je covjek za koga ste vjerovatno ranije culi. Ovome covjeku je sad, vise nego ikad potrebna nasa podrska.

Nisam čuo za njega, ali ako je za bosansku stvar spreman sam dati podršku, moralnu naravno.
A ako mislite na novčanu, tu ne računajte na mene.
Sjećate se kolike pare smo očekivali od one tužbe protiv Srbije, pa nam se sve izjalovilo.

To sto ti nisi cuo za Hasana, nije tvoja krivica, vec krivica drzave Bosne i Hercegovine, njenih celnika i medija. Sumnjam da oni ne poznaju bitnost postojanja ovog covjeka i bitnost njegove usamljene borbe za istinu i pravdu.

P.S.
Amsterdama,ako te nesto licno pogodilo u mojoj kritici, pricu o sujeti morat ces , ovaj put, proci sam.

zoom66 wrote:molim vas da lichna prepucavanja ostavite po strani. nije primjereno temi.

amsterdamova dalja pitanja tempori su izbrisana.

hvala

Vidim da vam je ta zasticena ovdje k'o sveta krava...Doduse, nije sala, dvadeset comments dnevno upisati!Samo naprijed nasi sviraci

Mada inace ne zelim da gubim vrijeme dokazivati sta je ko, koliko uradio. Samo da kazem da je tempora bila pred sudom. I veoma je ne korektno, tako nasumice napadati i vrijedjati druge forumase. To nije stvar zastite vec forumskog adeta i edeba.

IBM wrote:Mada inace ne zelim da gubim vrijeme dokazivati sta je ko, koliko uradio. Samo da kazem da je tempora bila pred sudom. I veoma je ne korektno, tako nasumice napadati i vrijedjati druge forumase. To nije stvar zastite vec forumskog adeta i edeba.

Nije bila jer je znam, zasto lazes! A ti slobodno Zoom-iraj i treci put i brisi. Eto vam vasa sveta krava!

Sabura ljudi,vi na pucini,a brod ode.

Hasan tuzi Holandiju?
kako se ono Don Kihot borio protiv vjetrenjaca?

mofo33 wrote:Hasan tuzi Holandiju?
kako se ono Don Kihot borio protiv vjetrenjaca?

ne, ocito nisi ni procitao: tuzi Holandiju i Ujedinjene Nacije.
ne znam otkud ti pravo i motiv da pokusavas biti smijesan na ovoj temi?
sramota!

prava usporedba je David protiv Golijata
ili Dawud protiv Džaluta, ako ti je draze

Bravo Hasane!