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Dali mi moze neko pomoci----
Nasula sam ulje za dizel motore,u benzin motor 1.2 punta..greskom..
dali ga smijem voziti,uopste?:(

Koje su ulje nasula?

Koja je gradacija?

Edin H. wrote:Koje su ulje nasula?

Koja je gradacija?

Ravenol,Teilsynthetishes diesel ol 10W-40.
a koristila sam Valvoline durablend 10w-40,momak u prodavnici mi je rekao da moze to:((((

Ne znam bas za konkretno ulje, ali ima dosta ulja koja mogu i za benzince i za dizele (ali uglavnom za starije motore)....Moj ti je savjet da ispustis ulje i ubacis ono koje odgovara, jbg slucaj nije za zajebanciju....

imas nekog u familiji prijatelja komsiju ili nekog nek ti ispusti ulje i nek naspe odgovarajuce ili s rizikom do prvog majstora nek ti to uradi al pazi kakvog da te ne bi zeznuo i naplatio ti masno

reci bar koji si dio pa neko mozda zna majstora ili tako nesto pa ti moze pomoci

Evo ti sta kazu za isti problem, istina na engleskom

This is an awkward question to answer. Diesel engines run much higher compression ratios than petrol engines and they run a lot hotter, so the oil is formulated to deal with this. Plus they produce a lot more dirt in terms of combustion by-products. Diesel-rated oils typically have more detergents in them to deal with this (see Using Diesel oil for flushing above). It's not unheard of for diesel oils to clean a petrol engine so well that it loses compression. Diesel-rated oils also have an anti-foaming agent in them which is unique to diesel engines, and not needed in petrol engines.
So is that the be-all and end-all answer? Well not really and that's why this is a difficult question to give a straight answer to. The above statement is more relevant to commercial diesel engines. Nowadays, just about all passenger car / light commercial oils (including OEM ones designed for both petrol and diesel engines) will carry the ACEA A and B specifications. ie. formulated to satisfy the requirements for both types of engine. So just because the oil is labelled "Diesel" doesn't mean it's not suitable for petrol engines - it will more than likely carry an ACEA A3 / OEM petrol spec as well.
However you do need to be a bit careful regarding choosing the right diesel spec - if you have a modern common rail / direct injection diesel, chances are it will require at least an ACEA B4 spec to cope with the higher piston temperatures that can cause piston deposits (and stuck rings). ACEA B4 is fine where B3 is recommended.
Another reference I found is at Difference between Petrol an Diesel Oils? [Archive] - XPowerForums - For MG, XPower & Motorsport Enthusiasts
So, whatever happened is very serious but at the same time its good that probably there is no much harm to the engine.

Da sam na tvom mjestu ja bih promijenio ulje, cisto da budem siguran.

Edin H. wrote:Evo ti sta kazu za isti problem, istina na engleskom

This is an awkward question to answer. Diesel engines run much higher compression ratios than petrol engines and they run a lot hotter, so the oil is formulated to deal with this. Plus they produce a lot more dirt in terms of combustion by-products. Diesel-rated oils typically have more detergents in them to deal with this (see Using Diesel oil for flushing above). It's not unheard of for diesel oils to clean a petrol engine so well that it loses compression. Diesel-rated oils also have an anti-foaming agent in them which is unique to diesel engines, and not needed in petrol engines.
So is that the be-all and end-all answer? Well not really and that's why this is a difficult question to give a straight answer to. The above statement is more relevant to commercial diesel engines. Nowadays, just about all passenger car / light commercial oils (including OEM ones designed for both petrol and diesel engines) will carry the ACEA A and B specifications. ie. formulated to satisfy the requirements for both types of engine. So just because the oil is labelled "Diesel" doesn't mean it's not suitable for petrol engines - it will more than likely carry an ACEA A3 / OEM petrol spec as well.
However you do need to be a bit careful regarding choosing the right diesel spec - if you have a modern common rail / direct injection diesel, chances are it will require at least an ACEA B4 spec to cope with the higher piston temperatures that can cause piston deposits (and stuck rings). ACEA B4 is fine where B3 is recommended.
Another reference I found is at Difference between Petrol an Diesel Oils? [Archive] - XPowerForums - For MG, XPower & Motorsport Enthusiasts
So, whatever happened is very serious but at the same time its good that probably there is no much harm to the engine.

Da sam na tvom mjestu ja bih promijenio ulje, cisto da budem siguran.

sto bi u prevodu znacilo:)))

aylaaaa wrote:

Edin H. wrote:Evo ti sta kazu za isti problem, istina na engleskom

This is an awkward question to answer. Diesel engines run much higher compression ratios than petrol engines and they run a lot hotter, so the oil is formulated to deal with this. Plus they produce a lot more dirt in terms of combustion by-products. Diesel-rated oils typically have more detergents in them to deal with this (see Using Diesel oil for flushing above). It's not unheard of for diesel oils to clean a petrol engine so well that it loses compression. Diesel-rated oils also have an anti-foaming agent in them which is unique to diesel engines, and not needed in petrol engines.
So is that the be-all and end-all answer? Well not really and that's why this is a difficult question to give a straight answer to. The above statement is more relevant to commercial diesel engines. Nowadays, just about all passenger car / light commercial oils (including OEM ones designed for both petrol and diesel engines) will carry the ACEA A and B specifications. ie. formulated to satisfy the requirements for both types of engine. So just because the oil is labelled "Diesel" doesn't mean it's not suitable for petrol engines - it will more than likely carry an ACEA A3 / OEM petrol spec as well.
However you do need to be a bit careful regarding choosing the right diesel spec - if you have a modern common rail / direct injection diesel, chances are it will require at least an ACEA B4 spec to cope with the higher piston temperatures that can cause piston deposits (and stuck rings). ACEA B4 is fine where B3 is recommended.
Another reference I found is at Difference between Petrol an Diesel Oils? [Archive] - XPowerForums - For MG, XPower & Motorsport Enthusiasts
So, whatever happened is very serious but at the same time its good that probably there is no much harm to the engine.

Da sam na tvom mjestu ja bih promijenio ulje, cisto da budem siguran.

sto bi u prevodu znacilo:)))

sto bi znacilo, auto prevezi do prvog servisa i nek ti oni promjene ulje ako ne umijes sama, takodjer bolje promasiti ispravno ulje, nego gorivo

a ujedno tamo mozes da pitas te da ti daju najbolji odgovor na tvoje pitanje za upotrebu neodgovarajuceg ulja i da nesto naucis

aylaaaa wrote:

Edin H. wrote:Evo ti sta kazu za isti problem, istina na engleskom

This is an awkward question to answer. Diesel engines run much higher compression ratios than petrol engines and they run a lot hotter, so the oil is formulated to deal with this. Plus they produce a lot more dirt in terms of combustion by-products. Diesel-rated oils typically have more detergents in them to deal with this (see Using Diesel oil for flushing above). It's not unheard of for diesel oils to clean a petrol engine so well that it loses compression. Diesel-rated oils also have an anti-foaming agent in them which is unique to diesel engines, and not needed in petrol engines.
So is that the be-all and end-all answer? Well not really and that's why this is a difficult question to give a straight answer to. The above statement is more relevant to commercial diesel engines. Nowadays, just about all passenger car / light commercial oils (including OEM ones designed for both petrol and diesel engines) will carry the ACEA A and B specifications. ie. formulated to satisfy the requirements for both types of engine. So just because the oil is labelled "Diesel" doesn't mean it's not suitable for petrol engines - it will more than likely carry an ACEA A3 / OEM petrol spec as well.
However you do need to be a bit careful regarding choosing the right diesel spec - if you have a modern common rail / direct injection diesel, chances are it will require at least an ACEA B4 spec to cope with the higher piston temperatures that can cause piston deposits (and stuck rings). ACEA B4 is fine where B3 is recommended.
Another reference I found is at Difference between Petrol an Diesel Oils? [Archive] - XPowerForums - For MG, XPower & Motorsport Enthusiasts
So, whatever happened is very serious but at the same time its good that probably there is no much harm to the engine.

Da sam na tvom mjestu ja bih promijenio ulje, cisto da budem siguran.

sto bi u prevodu znacilo:)))

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Kad vec ne znas engleski.

Ma nema tu nikakvih problema- ulje za dizelske motore je sigurno po defaultu kvalitetnije, otpornije i skuplje od nekog za benzinca, u redu, mogao bih se sloziti da bi mozda napravilo neki problem na kakvom ultra modernom benzinskom motoru, ali stari provjereni Fiatov 1.2, ma nemaj brige.
Vec sam na jednoj temi ovde napisao, da su nasi ljudi ovde generalno (po mom misljenju) prilicno optereceni uljima za motore, kao da non stop "prze" auto u ekstremnim uvjetima i u crvenom podrucju obrtaja

Dajte ba ljudi, piše hitno, kontam ko umire ... NE POSTOJI ulje za benzinske i ulje za dizel motore, sva su ulja univerzalna! To što na ulju piše "diesel" uglavnom znači da je poboljšana formulacija za rad u dizel-motoru, naročito u modernim turbo-dizelašima. Vidim neke savjete tipa "idi nek ti ispuste ulje" , ne mogu da vjerujem svojim očima, moji znalci, jbt ovdje je nekad bilo ljudi koji nešto znaju.

ado-šampion wrote:Dajte ba ljudi, piše hitno, kontam ko umire ... NE POSTOJI ulje za benzinske i ulje za dizel motore, sva su ulja univerzalna! To što na ulju piše "diesel" uglavnom znači da je poboljšana formulacija za rad u dizel-motoru, naročito u modernim turbo-dizelašima. Vidim neke savjete tipa "idi nek ti ispuste ulje" , ne mogu da vjerujem svojim očima, moji znalci, jbt ovdje je nekad bilo ljudi koji nešto znaju.

ado-šampion wrote:Dajte ba ljudi, piše hitno, kontam ko umire ... NE POSTOJI ulje za benzinske i ulje za dizel motore, sva su ulja univerzalna! To što na ulju piše "diesel" uglavnom znači da je poboljšana formulacija za rad u dizel-motoru, naročito u modernim turbo-dizelašima. Vidim neke savjete tipa "idi nek ti ispuste ulje" , ne mogu da vjerujem svojim očima, moji znalci, jbt ovdje je nekad bilo ljudi koji nešto znaju.

Postoje ulja za dizel i benzinske motore......benzinci se vrte mnogo brze od dizela i treba im za njih prilagodjeno ulje da bi se ostvarilo potpuno podmazivanje....

Naravno da nece nista biti autu odmah i da ga smije voziti neko vrijeme, ali ce ulje za dizele u benzincu mnogo ranije izgubiti svoja svojstva, a onda opet moze biti svasta, a moze da se ne desi nista, to opet zavisi od konstrukcije motora i kvalitete i dijelova i ulja....

Zato kazem da je bolje ne razmisljati, vec zamijeniti ulje i biti miran....

Smiješ voziti pusti ove što te furaju i pametuju...100% smiješ!

Ja bi to vozio bez ikakvog razmišljanja. U tu mašinu da naspeš ono Optima super Visk ulje za traktore neće joj ništa biti a kamoli polusintetičko 10-W-40.
A što se tiče konkretno tog Ravenol ulja koristio sam ga prošle godine i nisam bio baš zadovoljan . Ulje je bilo 5-W-40 i tokom zime su se stvorile neke naslage na čepu i šipci kao puding, uopšte nije ličilo na ulje kada izvućeš šipku.
Ove zime sam imao Lotos ulje polusintetičko i nikakvih problema nije bilo.

ja bih ispustio ulje sto prije, te drzo bih se specifikacija na autu naznacenih u buduce

Da završimo glupu diskusiju, svako ulje na kojem piše dizel ispunjava neku API Sx i/ili ACEA Ax specifikaciju (specifikacije za benz. motore), tako da nema nikakve prepreke da se ona koriste u benzinskim motorima...

Ma taj motor moze i ulje iz Bimala da svari!

razlika između ulja za benzinca i dizelaša je u aditivima,iako je sve više ulja koja zadovoljavaju oba zahtjeva.
ali kod specifičnih uslova (PDI od VW-a, npr) je potrebno kupiti ulje posebnih, propisanih svojstava da bi se zadovoljila potreba motora za podmazivanjem.
različita goriva proizvode kod sagorijevanja različite produkte pa su tome prilagođeni i aditivi. pa tako dizeli imaju aditive koji sprečavaju pjenjenje ulja i imaju povećane mogućnosti čišćenja čađe (čega nema kod benzinaca) a ulje za benzinca ima aditive koji neutraliziraju pepeo od sagorijevanja i podobnije je za upotrebu u motorima koji se brže vrte i razvijaju veće temperature.
najbolje je ostati na istoj gradaciji ulja koja je i dosad bila u motoru (dakle, 5W40 ili 10W40, što se je već koristilo). ako može, ne ići na XW30 ili XW20 ulja.
tako da nije strasno..bilo bi strasnije da si ulje za benzinca nasula u dizela il recimo da je taj motor koji ti imas neki turbo..ovako nema brige

emko1234 wrote:razlika između ulja za benzinca i dizelaša je u aditivima,iako je sve više ulja koja zadovoljavaju oba zahtjeva.
ali kod specifičnih uslova (PDI od VW-a, npr) je potrebno kupiti ulje posebnih, propisanih svojstava da bi se zadovoljila potreba motora za podmazivanjem.
različita goriva proizvode kod sagorijevanja različite produkte pa su tome prilagođeni i aditivi. pa tako dizeli imaju aditive koji sprečavaju pjenjenje ulja i imaju povećane mogućnosti čišćenja čađe (čega nema kod benzinaca) a ulje za benzinca ima aditive koji neutraliziraju pepeo od sagorijevanja i podobnije je za upotrebu u motorima koji se brže vrte i razvijaju veće temperature.
najbolje je ostati na istoj gradaciji ulja koja je i dosad bila u motoru (dakle, 5W40 ili 10W40, što se je već koristilo). ako može, ne ići na XW30 ili XW20 ulja.
tako da nije strasno..bilo bi strasnije da si ulje za benzinca nasula u dizela il recimo da je taj motor koji ti imas neki turbo..ovako nema brige

jebote ja komplikacija! Ona je usula 10W40 ulje za dizela u FIRE motor koji moze da radi na starom ulju na kojem se przio pomfrit 20 dana po 100 porcija dnevno! Nije to Audi (pardon VW) pa da to do bola zakomplikuje pa ne znas vise koje ulje u koji mjesec proizvodnje ide.

A maslinovo ?,
ma nema nikakvih problema a u buduce donesi spisak naziva ulja da ti ovi "struchnjaci" unaprijed predlože koje ces uzeti.
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