Ima "nas" i u Guantánamo Bay

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albus
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#1 Ima "nas" i u Guantánamo Bay

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THE NEW YORK TIMES

For Bosnia, Getting 6 Freed From Guantánamo Is a Balancing Act
By NICHOLAS WOOD

Published: October 21, 2004


SARAJEVO, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Oct. 20 - Three years after six men were accused of plotting to blow up the American and British Embassies here, the Bosnian government is seeking their return. The six were handed over to United States peacekeepers here and are currently held at Guantánamo Bay, the American military base in Cuba.


A court here in January 2002 dropped charges against the men for lack of evidence and ordered them released. The men, all Algerians who claim Bosnian citizenship or residency, were immediately handed over to the peacekeepers by Bosnian police, expelled, and eventually taken to Guantánamo Bay.

Like the rest of the detainees held in Guantánamo, they have been classified by the United States as enemy combatants whose status is being examined by a military tribunal and the Defense Department. But unlike most of their fellow prisoners, they were not taken captive in conflict zones, like Afghanistan, and had been living in Bosnia for several years.

The men's continued detention has presented the Bosnian government with a difficult balancing act, officials here said.

Under pressure from Parliament and human rights officials, the government has recently sought to find out more about the men's status and has taken recent steps to meet its legal obligations to defend four of them who hold Bosnian citizenship.

At the same time, the government is also eager to appear as a strong ally to the United States and avoid the impression that Bosnia is providing a safe haven for Islamic extremists.

In July, a member of Bosnia's justice ministry, Amir Pilav, visited four of the men in Cuba. In a recent interview, he outlined the possibility that all six men could be returned to Bosnia and set free, or face trial on minor charges.

He said all criminal proceedings against the men concerning the suspected plot to attack the embassies had been dropped in Bosnia, although two of the men, Saber Lahmer and Belkasim Ben Sayer, could faces charges of having used false documents to apply for residency. The official report on the visit, and what possible action might now be pursued, will discussed by the government next week.

Concerns over the presence of Islamists in Bosnia have existed since Muslim fighters from the Middle East and North Africa joined the Bosnian conflict from 1992 to 1995 to help Bosnia's Muslims. While many returned home after the war, others stayed on and in many cases married Bosnian women.

Four of the six detainees have Bosnian wives.

Human rights observers and former Bosnian officials charge that the government has flouted its obligations to the men, partly as result of United Nations pressure. Four of the group had their Bosnian citizenship stripped when they were expelled from the country.

The former head of Bosnia's anti-terrorist task force, Rasim Kadic, said in an interview that Bosnia has been unable to defend the men's interests properly for fear of angering the United States.

The American Embassy here declined requests for an interview.

The Bosnian government "had no way out,'' Mr. Kadic said. "We had to practically sign them away. The presence of U.S. soldiers here is a guarantee for Bosnia for a long time to come, and we have to pay a price."




Ne da mi se sad ovo sve prevodit ali mislim da se da razumjeti. Sta mislite o svemu ovome? Iako su nasi novokomponovani zemljaci oslobodjeni optuzbi, osim za ove 'minor charges' u Bosni (bas me zanima sta ce to biti... :-? ), sigurno je da ce sada mnoge oci opet da budu uperene na BiH. I to u ne bas pozitivnom smislu..

PS Livadic, ako zelis reagirat konstruktivno molim..ko zna, mozda i uspije jednom..
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Teški su Ameri po tom pitanju, oni tamo krše sva prava i pravdaju se time da tamo ne vrijedi njihov USTAV, jer nije njihovo tlo!!!!
Sumnjam da će ih tek tako pustiti, jer koliko će ovi naši biti uporni, to je upitno, ali kada se uzme u obzir i da su neke popuštali, za nadati se da će ih pustiti!!!!
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albus
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Upitno je da li su nasi bas uporni, i da li uopste trebaju da budu uporni. Ustrucavanje je, kao sto vidis, na nivou i ovo sve ispada kao neko balansiranje na skroz tankoj niti: s jedne strane su duzni sve uciniti za svoje drzavljane, a sa druge strane ne bi bas skretali previse paznje na cinjenicu da su (sto se sve vise ispodstavlja) poslije rata svakavi sumnjivi likovi dobivali bosanski pasos. Sve u svemu, gurava situacija. Opet idemo unazad i zemlja se sve vise asocira s pogresnim stvarima.... :(
Sto bi se reklo: s.ebase nam imidz :-?
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#4 Re: Ima "nas" i u Guantánamo Bay

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albus wrote: The men, all Algerians who claim Bosnian citizenship or residency

A u Iraku covjek iz Capljine u zarobljenistvu pa nikom nista.... ???????

Ko kontam Capljina pa BiH .
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