Chito je lisen zivota

che · Post by **che** » 27/09/2004 20:39

Duboko povrijedjen jucerasnjim dogadjajem odluzio sam otvoriti temu zbog respekta prema covjeku koji je poginuo braneci zadnju stvar sto mu je ostala na ovom svijetu...
Ko ga je znao ,Chito je bio dobar ko panja.Ponukan boljim zivotom otisao je iz Bosne ka "zemlji slobode i jednakih prava".Kakva ga je sudbina sacekala ovdje ,nije mogao znati niti sumnjati.Ja cu vam prepricati pricu koju sam cuo i znao , ne praveci sud o njemu kao covjeku.
Ono sto znam je da je vec odavno ovdje u "zemlji slobodnih prava" i da nikada nije nasao zajednicku rijec sa ovim sistemom koji ga je blago receno mentalno unistio.Kazu da je dosao kao mlad i perspektivan i da je zbog cudnih zakona izgubio privatni biznis a to je dovelo do toga da ne bude vise onaj stari Chito.Primjetili su da se polako uvlaci sam u sebe, da spiralno tone.I ja sam ga znao,nazad nije mogao a ovdje mu se nije ostajalo.Zivio je posljednih godina od Bosanskog ceifa, ono sto bi se reklo od kafe i cigara pa i necije dobre volje tu i tamo.I to mu je bio citav zivot.Nije trazio puno , niti je dobio puno...
Jednog dana je dosao cika policajac da mu i to oduzme."Chito ti vise ne mozes imati niti to malo" rece policajac a sta je u Chiti proradilo u tom trenu moze se sada samo nagadjati.Prosao je Chito sto sta u zivotu i rat i logore i ovaj jad i mizeriju ovdje ali nikad se nije suprostavio tome na pravi nacin uvijek se povlacio pred nepravdom.Ovo zadnje sto mu je ostalo ,taj bosanski ceif, Chito jednostavno nije dao.Branio je to zivotom i isti je izgubio.Ubio ga je sistem, ubila ga je zivotinja braneci taj sistem.
Za moju malenkost Chito je svojom smrcu postao heroj.

S.J. cop kills man in scuffle

FRIENDS SAY BOSNIAN REFUGEE SHOWED SIGNS OF MENTAL ILLNESS

By Crystal Carreon and Howard Mintz

Mercury News

A Bosnian refugee who friends say had survived a concentration camp in his war-torn country and recently had shown signs of a mental disorder was shot to death Sunday by a San Jose police officer outside a Starbucks.

San Jose police did not identify the officer involved in the department's fifth deadly shooting this year, but described him as a 10-year veteran of the force. Authorities also did not name the dead man, but a relative identified him as Zaim Bojcic, 40, of San Jose.

San Jose police said Bojcic violently attacked an officer, even after being shot with a Taser, and the matter was still under investigation Sunday night. But neighbors and friends in the local Bosnian community quickly questioned whether the shooting of the unarmed man was necessary.

Police spokesman Sgt. Steve Dixon said detectives were interviewing the officer late Sunday after he was treated at a hospital for facial cuts and a possible concussion from the afternoon confrontation on the 1300 block of Winchester Boulevard.

The incident began about 1:15 p.m., when employees reported to the officer that they were having trouble with a man outside the coffee shop. When the officer approached, Bojcic threw a chair at the officer, Dixon said. The officer called for assistance and fired his Taser, which did not deter the man from attacking. Three witnesses said Bojcic threw the chair after the officer used the Taser. Dixon could not say for sure which happened first.

``The suspect charged at the officer, punching and kicking him,'' Dixon said. ``The officer drew his weapon and fired several rounds.''

Bojcic was taken to Santa Clara Valley Medical Center, where he was declared dead.

Four witnesses said they were sitting outside next to Bojcic when the confrontation with police unfolded.

According to one of the witnesses, the officer approached Bojcic, admonished him about smoking where he shouldn't and asked him to stand up, but Bojcic refused, saying his leg was hurting. When the officer grabbed Bojcic, he resisted, two of the witnesses said.

``He kept saying, very loud, `Don't touch me, don't touch me,' '' said one witness, who would identify himself only as Edo H. ``He got scared. He was scared of police.''

The four Bosnian men, who all knew Bojcic because he frequented Starbucks and smoked cigarettes outside every day, said they offered to speak to their friend, but the officer ordered them to back off.

``They should have handled it differently. They didn't have to shoot him,'' said one witness. ``He didn't have any weapons on him.''

Sejad Premilovac said he and his cousin, Bojcic, survived six months at the Dretelj Prison Camp at a former Yugoslav Army barracks. An International Red Cross refugee placement program brought Bojcic to the United States in January 1994.

Then, friends and relatives began noticing a gradual change in Bojcic's behavior. He stopped working as a machinist in the East Bay and became markedly withdrawn.

``Something changed in his mind, and I tried to help many times,'' Premilovac said.

Premilovac could not say whether Bojcic had been diagnosed with a mental disorder, but noted a doctor had prescribed him medication, which he did not like taking.

In 2002, Bojcic was arrested by Concord police after he tried to reclaim his Honda, which had been seized in a drunken-driving investigation. After learning his impounded car had been sold, Bojcic shattered the windows of a patrol car with a four-foot piece of lumber and smashed a side window with a slab of concrete from a nearby construction site, according to news accounts at the time. A records search showed that Bojcic had been cited or charged at least six times in Contra Costa County beginning in 1996.

But those who knew him thought he was harmless.

``We would hang around the Starbucks for years, and we would feel sorry for him because he's mentally ill,'' said friend Chicho Sofdic. ``He was always laughing and joking, he never fought with anybody.

``He was a quiet guy, smoking his cigarettes.''

It was the fifth fatal shooting by San Jose police this year. They killed two people last year, including Bich Cau Thi Tran, who was slain in her Taylor Street kitchen after an officer mistook a 10-inch Asian vegetable peeler for a cleaver. In that case, the San Jose police officer was cleared of criminal wrongdoing, but it spurred police to arm every patrol officer with a Taser.

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violentjack · Post by **violentjack** » 27/09/2004 20:44

Tako je to u Americi..prvo pucaju pa onda postavljaju pitanja

winetou · Post by **winetou** » 27/09/2004 21:01

Pa čemu služi pendrek

Vito Korleone · Post by **Vito Korleone** » 27/09/2004 21:04

Šeha wrote:Pa se ti tuci sa policijom

Seha,

je li to opravdanje sto su ga upucali ili... nije mi jasno

grbavica70 · Post by **grbavica70** » 27/09/2004 21:54

Pokoj mu dusi, ko god da je bio....

DaysleepeR · Post by **DaysleepeR** » 27/09/2004 22:18

Šeha wrote:Prva stvar na koju te upozore kad dolazis u Ameriku (a znam jer sam dosao preko istog programa kao i pokojni) je da se ne zajebavas sa policijom. Cak sta vise daju ti i tacno upustsvo sta da radis ako te zaustave bilo u vozilu bilo na ulici.

U ostalom i da mu nije nista receno znao je valjda do sada kakva je situacija sa vijesti i iz novina. Jednostavno ne mozes se zajebavati sa policijom i tacka!

Ako je onaj policajac bio izgreban i ima fizicke povrede nema sanse da ce biti optuzen za ubistvo niti na bilo kakav drugi nacin odgovarati. Samoodbrana i to je to...

Mozda bi bilo interesantno skrenuti temu na sekundu i pitati da li bi bilo bolje da je kod nas policija takva? Da li se osjecali sigurnije? Mozda ne bi djecu boli nozevima zbog mobitela, mozda ne bi ljude na semaforu izbacivali iz vozila i krali ista, mozda ne bi bilo pucnjave na javnim mjestima? Sta mislite?!

Slazem se da bi bilo bolje da je tako i kod nas, medjutim cini mi se da bi opet nevini i neduzni najebavali.

pitt · Post by **pitt** » 27/09/2004 22:31

Prva stvar na koju te upozore kad dolazis u Ameriku (a znam jer sam dosao preko istog programa kao i pokojni) je da se ne zajebavas sa policijom. Cak sta vise daju ti i tacno upustsvo sta da radis ako te zaustave bilo u vozilu bilo na ulici.

Ma upozaravaju oni, ali znas kakav je nas narod. Eh, da sam i ja bogdo poslusao

che · Post by **che** » 27/09/2004 23:01

Zivotinja mu je pucala u noge pogodivsi ga u lijevu i desnu natkoljenicu a potom je ispalio jos 3 metka u predjelu tijela od kojeg su dva bila fatalna.Onako izresetanog ga je potom lisicama vezao i ostavio da iskrvari dok su njegovi poznanici bili upozoreni da se ne primicu i pokusaju mu pomoci.Sad sam bio na mjestu gdje se to desilo,skupilo se nekoliko stotina ljudi.Uglavnom dosta je emocija i teske rijeci se mogu cuti sa svih strana.Policije nije bilo i bolje jer bi se desio novi konflikt.
Chito je zrtva sistema neprilagodivsi se na vrijeme ili uopste sad to nije vazno.Jedna stvar je vecini ljudi bilu na usnama a to je da je ubijen jer je imigrant koji je pritom pokazao dozu agresivnosti.
Ma ne zelim da ulazim u analize, svako nek shvati poentu ove price na svoj nacin.Jednostavno covjek vise nije mogao bjezati ,morao je odrzati zadnju liniju odbrane.Bog zna da bih i ja ucinio isto...

che · Post by **che** » 27/09/2004 23:25

Šeha wrote:Ja ne mogu povuci tu paralelu sa imigracijom. Kakve to veze ima? Evo sinoc je u NYC ubijen frajer sa preko 20 hitaca jer su ga drotovi ganjali 20 min. a on nije htio da stane. I kad je stao izasao iz auta i nije digao ruke
Znaci jedan od drotova je ispucao sarzer, stavio novi i ispucao jos koji metak

A frajer nije bio emigrant, bio je bijeli protestant... Znaci tema je brutalnost policije, ne znam zasto je povezujes sa imigracijom?!?

Nisam ja to rekao ali tako kazu ocevidci.Kazu da mu je nazvao sellam prije citave frke i da mu je kasnije rekao da on nije Sadam nego miroljubiv covjek koji uziva u vikendu ceifeci tu ispred starbucksa.Covjek je kafenisao i pusio...Nije on kriminalac da ga lik povlaci sa stolice i da ga maltletira.Osim toga Chito je to radio skoro svaki dan u zadnjih 10 godina a taj policajac je lokalni i morao je znati Chitu.Ma ne znam...Evo stavljam se u kozu tog policajca koji iz straha reaguje i dalje se ne vidim kako ispucavam 5 metaka u covjeka.Narocito nakon sto ispucavam 2 metka u noge.
ZIVOTINJA JE TO

Lace · Post by **Lace** » 27/09/2004 23:55

Ivy · Post by **Ivy** » 28/09/2004 02:41

RIP :-(

Fair Life · Post by **Fair Life** » 28/09/2004 03:20

Svake godine USA prima vise od 1.000.000 (jedan milion) useljenika. Nije lako ni njoj ni njima. Sa tolerantnijom policijom do sada od USA ne bi ostala ni mrvica. Zao mi je covjeka, ali i policajca.

Slican slucaj desio se prije dvije godine i kod mene, ali to nema nikakvih etnickih pravila. Jednostavno covjek je agresivno krenuo na policajca i policajac ga je ubio.

Da ne postoji strah od policije da ce tako olako pucati, od lopova se ne bi moglo izaci do prvog kioska.

Jedna od prvih lekcija koju sam naucio je: "Ne suprostavljaj se policajcu !"

Kad bi nasa policija imala ovlastenja da postupi slicno manje bi bilo podmetanja eksploziva, otmica, pljacke... u po bijela dana.

sekiracija1 · Post by **sekiracija1** » 28/09/2004 04:59

Cito se snaso

umro je da sad se vise ne mora snalaziti

Rahmet mu dusi i sirioke mu prerije Amerke

Fair Life · Post by **Fair Life** » 28/09/2004 06:04

C Str wrote:Da li je efekat nasilja pomogao da nestane nasilja u US ??

U svakom slucaju pomaze da ga ne bude vise nego sto ga ima.

C Str wrote:Nedavno sam dobio podatke o dnevnom bilansu slucajnih zrtava u US!

Postiraj.
Za slucajne ali i one druge zrtve u BiH jako malo ljudi zavrsi iza resetaka. Obicno bivaju pusteni zbog nedostatka dokaza ili zbog interesne sprege sa kriminalonim licima u aktualnoj vlasti.

C Str wrote:Seha i Fair, shvatam provincijsku odusevljenost Amerikom, ali idealizirati jedan ne samo nesavrsen, vec i destruktivan i nasilan drustveni sistem je cisto sr**e...da prostite

Ne shvatas ti nista.

Nisam u USA.

dajdzarile · Post by **dajdzarile** » 28/09/2004 17:00

zao mi je coeka al valjala bi nama u Sa takva policija k'o hljeb
da stoku u suru uvede...

PipiDugaDevetka · Post by **PipiDugaDevetka** » 28/09/2004 17:05

Fatiha za rahmetliju!
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Zašto je odbijao da uzima lijekove? Je li poremećaj bio PTSD ili neki drugi? Trebalo mu je pomoći i na tom planu.
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Šta je to Taser? Ostalo sam razumio?

pitt · Post by **pitt** » 28/09/2004 17:27

Taser je stun gun (puca gromove sto bi narod rekao

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Post by **Bobi** » 28/09/2004 17:38

pitt wrote:Taser je stun gun (puca gromove sto bi narod rekao )

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I pomocu ovakvog pistolja ga ubio

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