#1 "Bin Laden in Sarajevo"
Posted: 03/09/2008 06:07
http://www.europeancourier.org/85.htm
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Ispod svakog bedastog naslova bude i nekoliko zrna Q=dobrote!Finally, Iraq is an artificial state created in August of 1921 and expanded in 1926 to suit political convenience, while Bosnia (despite latest genocide) has a centuries long history of nationhood and integrity.
Osobno ne vjerujem da gradi kuću u Sarajevu, ali sama pomisao dasuperxenon wrote:http://www.europeancourier.org/85.htm
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Na prvu bih rekao da je vijest poprilicno bajata - 18.05.2008.superxenon wrote:http://www.europeancourier.org/85.htm
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Novinar Sebastian Aulich je američki Poljak. Da ovako sa sarkazmom piše o nekom drugom genocidu, recimo: Dobro je što se desio holokaust, neki Jevreji su stvarno....Hodidjed wrote:Ovo je najinteresantnije:
"The first most obvious implication of Clarke/Holbrooke “al-Qaeda remarks” is that if the U.S. government knew that Bin Laden and his group was infiltrating Bosnia, so must have known Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic. Therefore perhaps the ethnical cleansing they conducted did some good to Bosnia, because by killing hundreds of thousands of Muslims (some of them must have been extremists) they prevented 9/11 attacks being planned from the Balkans! (I apologize for being sarcastic)."Ako su oni normalni, bog me ubio.
Ako mi ista cupa zivce, to su americki poljaci, radim sa jednim i mogu ti reci da pozelim svaki drugi dan da ga udavim vlastitim rukama radi "humora" i komentara...8. sekretar SKOJ-a wrote:Novinar Sebastian Aulich je američki Poljak. Da ovako sa sarkazmom piše o nekom drugom genocidu, recimo: Dobro je što se desio holokaust, neki Jevreji su stvarno....Hodidjed wrote:Ovo je najinteresantnije:
"The first most obvious implication of Clarke/Holbrooke “al-Qaeda remarks” is that if the U.S. government knew that Bin Laden and his group was infiltrating Bosnia, so must have known Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic. Therefore perhaps the ethnical cleansing they conducted did some good to Bosnia, because by killing hundreds of thousands of Muslims (some of them must have been extremists) they prevented 9/11 attacks being planned from the Balkans! (I apologize for being sarcastic)."Ako su oni normalni, bog me ubio.
...Sebastian bi bio novinar kojeg nema.
Taj tvoj kolega se ocigledno zabavio o sebi. Fino mu vrati sa vicevima o Poljacima. Njega ce to najvise pogoditi zato sto u Americi najvise viceva ima upravo o njima. Vidjeces reakcije!mIRCerka wrote:Ako mi ista cupa zivce, to su americki poljaci, radim sa jednim i mogu ti reci da pozelim svaki drugi dan da ga udavim vlastitim rukama radi "humora" i komentara...8. sekretar SKOJ-a wrote:Novinar Sebastian Aulich je američki Poljak. Da ovako sa sarkazmom piše o nekom drugom genocidu, recimo: Dobro je što se desio holokaust, neki Jevreji su stvarno....Hodidjed wrote:Ovo je najinteresantnije:
"The first most obvious implication of Clarke/Holbrooke “al-Qaeda remarks” is that if the U.S. government knew that Bin Laden and his group was infiltrating Bosnia, so must have known Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic. Therefore perhaps the ethnical cleansing they conducted did some good to Bosnia, because by killing hundreds of thousands of Muslims (some of them must have been extremists) they prevented 9/11 attacks being planned from the Balkans! (I apologize for being sarcastic)."Ako su oni normalni, bog me ubio.
...Sebastian bi bio novinar kojeg nema.
11 jula me pitao sto sam namrgodjena (a ja taman citala neke clanke i izjave Majki Srebrenice i Zepe o tome kako ih se politicari sjete samo na taj dan) i ja mu objasim, a on nesmotreno ono " just 8,000?"...
Jedino sto sam znala a da je valjalo iz poljske je Papa Ivan Pavao II. Ostalo sto vidjeh i upoznah ...uhh....
Trebala si ti njemu rec' : ti si zivi dokaz da Hicko nije obavio posao do kraja kako trebamIRCerka wrote: Ako mi ista cupa zivce, to su americki poljaci, radim sa jednim i mogu ti reci da pozelim svaki drugi dan da ga udavim vlastitim rukama radi "humora" i komentara...
11 jula me pitao sto sam namrgodjena (a ja taman citala neke clanke i izjave Majki Srebrenice i Zepe o tome kako ih se politicari sjete samo na taj dan) i ja mu objasim, a on nesmotreno ono " just 8,000?"...
Jedino sto sam znala a da je valjalo iz poljske je Papa Ivan Pavao II. Ostalo sto vidjeh i upoznah ...uhh....
Bas sam htjela reci nesto slicno.sarayewo wrote:Hm... Ili niste procitali kako treba ili niste skontali poentu... Tekst je jako probosanski i konstantno navodi implikacije DRUGIH (ne samog autora) o situaciji u Bosni 90ih godina...
Autor uporno kontrira izjavama tipa Bin Laden u Bosni i tom poredjenju BiH sa Irakom...
Covjek jako fino rezimira kompletnu americku (i svjetsku) politiku prema Bosni - preciznije prema Bosancima (namjerno necu da kazem Muslimanima) u Bosni. Nekoliko puta navodi da je Dejton nakaradno rjesenje situacije koja se zakomplikovala ocajnom politikom zapada - uvodjenjem embarga i pregovorima umjesto brzom i ostrom akcijom... Evo da izvucem par citata, mozda ce vam biti jasnije.
"One of the reasons I believe the Dayton was a misconception is because those 150,000 Muslim victims, whom Holbrooke mentions in his op-ed, could never have died in the first place, should the Western countries changed their policy toward imposing the arms embargo on Bosnia, 3 years prior to said peace negotiations. From retrospect, it was a policy which hugely contributed to the murderous genocide, producing stunning number of deaths (that’s actually not only my opinion, as it has been also publicly claimed by many independent experts, diplomats and academics)."
"There has been a movement (lead by the Clintonians) to promote the Dayton Peace Accords to allow its creators to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize (as I mentioned before Holbrooke did get nominated and so did Bill Clinton for his overall peace endeavors). However, it has not become a serious issue (fortunately). A just question arose whether one can be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for stopping a crime, which he has originally aggravated by ignorance and pursuit of wrong policies? Awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to Holbrooke/Clinton would be like awarding it to Henry Kissinger for stopping the war in Vietnam."
"According to Holbrooke: “in the Dayton Agreement, we required their removal and gave NATO the right to attack them; without Dayton, al-Qaeda would probably have planned the Sept. 11 attacks from Bosnia, not Afghanistan. To be honest, if somebody showed me those statements but didn’t tell they were authored by Clarke and Holbrooke, I would assume they were taken out from Milosevic’s testimony before ICTY”
Ovaj citat je vec pomenut "Therefore perhaps the ethnical cleansing they conducted did some good to Bosnia, because by killing hundreds of thousands of Muslims (some of them must have been extremists) they prevented 9/11 attacks being planned from the Balkans! (I apologize for being sarcastic)."
- sam autor naglasava svoj sarkazam u ovoj recenici... Druga stvar je sto ocito mnogi ovdje ne znaju prepoznati sarkazam iz konteksta kompletnog teksta...
Elem, da ne razvlacim dalje... tekst nijednog momenta nije usmjeren protiv Bosne i Bosanaca vec protiv politickih igara, spletki i izjava ljudi u koje smo se mi zaklinjali tih godina (Clinton, Holbrooke, itd.). Na kraju teksta autor govori o Bosni kao proevropskoj i prozapadnoj zemljij - da kod nas, za razliku od arapskih zemalja, ne postoji ta averzija prema zapadu. Takodje pominje da smo, za razliku od Iraka, zemlja sa istorijom i kulturom, sa godinama suzivota razlicitih religija (pa i njihovog mjesanja).
Konacno, znam da je ovo za neke predugacak tekst za procitati (mozda je bolje drzati se sekcije lifestyle na sa-x portalu), ali onda nemojte ni pisati nebuloze i komentarisati van konteksta price...
8. sekretar SKOJ-a wrote:Novinar Sebastian Aulich je američki Poljak. Da ovako sa sarkazmom piše o nekom drugom genocidu, recimo: Dobro je što se desio holokaust, neki Jevreji su stvarno....Hodidjed wrote:Ovo je najinteresantnije:
"The first most obvious implication of Clarke/Holbrooke “al-Qaeda remarks” is that if the U.S. government knew that Bin Laden and his group was infiltrating Bosnia, so must have known Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic. Therefore perhaps the ethnical cleansing they conducted did some good to Bosnia, because by killing hundreds of thousands of Muslims (some of them must have been extremists) they prevented 9/11 attacks being planned from the Balkans! (I apologize for being sarcastic)."Ako su oni normalni, bog me ubio.
...Sebastian bi bio novinar kojeg nema.
Ja mislim da je ovaj paragraf dovoljno objasnio kako su insinuacije tipa "Bin Laden u Bosni ovo-ono..." jednostavno deplasirane i idiotske. Nemojte ovog Poljaka odmah napadati prije nego shvatite šta čovjek piše...Moreover, Bosnia is a country with no history of hatred towards the U.S. and Western Europe. To the contrary, Bosniaks have always regarded themselves as Europeans and as a part of the West, even though they have been practicing different religion than the rest of Europe.
The Balkans, by a definition, is an unfriendly territory to Bin Laden and he could not have successfully planted and grown his vicious network over there to the extent gravely endangering the security of the West. That’s a given.
Nisi jedina, radim i ja sa njima, jadni su i ljigavi. Ja sam vec jednog malo protresomIRCerka wrote:Ako mi ista cupa zivce, to su americki poljaci, radim sa jednim i mogu ti reci da pozelim svaki drugi dan da ga udavim vlastitim rukama radi "humora" i komentara...8. sekretar SKOJ-a wrote:Novinar Sebastian Aulich je američki Poljak. Da ovako sa sarkazmom piše o nekom drugom genocidu, recimo: Dobro je što se desio holokaust, neki Jevreji su stvarno....Hodidjed wrote:Ovo je najinteresantnije:
"The first most obvious implication of Clarke/Holbrooke “al-Qaeda remarks” is that if the U.S. government knew that Bin Laden and his group was infiltrating Bosnia, so must have known Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic. Therefore perhaps the ethnical cleansing they conducted did some good to Bosnia, because by killing hundreds of thousands of Muslims (some of them must have been extremists) they prevented 9/11 attacks being planned from the Balkans! (I apologize for being sarcastic)."Ako su oni normalni, bog me ubio.
...Sebastian bi bio novinar kojeg nema.
11 jula me pitao sto sam namrgodjena (a ja taman citala neke clanke i izjave Majki Srebrenice i Zepe o tome kako ih se politicari sjete samo na taj dan) i ja mu objasim, a on nesmotreno ono " just 8,000?"...
Jedino sto sam znala a da je valjalo iz poljske je Papa Ivan Pavao II. Ostalo sto vidjeh i upoznah ...uhh....
Nazalost nisam tako odgojena... niti mislim tako... rekla sam mu samo da facom lici na Vojtilu...ali samo facom...valjda mu je to dovoljno...Citizen-X wrote:Trebala si ti njemu rec' : ti si zivi dokaz da Hicko nije obavio posao do kraja kako trebamIRCerka wrote: Ako mi ista cupa zivce, to su americki poljaci, radim sa jednim i mogu ti reci da pozelim svaki drugi dan da ga udavim vlastitim rukama radi "humora" i komentara...
11 jula me pitao sto sam namrgodjena (a ja taman citala neke clanke i izjave Majki Srebrenice i Zepe o tome kako ih se politicari sjete samo na taj dan) i ja mu objasim, a on nesmotreno ono " just 8,000?"...
Jedino sto sam znala a da je valjalo iz poljske je Papa Ivan Pavao II. Ostalo sto vidjeh i upoznah ...uhh....
Nisam ga napao, samo sam mu rekao da takva vrsta sarkazma mu nema mjesta i bolje da nista nije ni pisao.Real Khan wrote:8. sekretar SKOJ-a wrote:Novinar Sebastian Aulich je američki Poljak. Da ovako sa sarkazmom piše o nekom drugom genocidu, recimo: Dobro je što se desio holokaust, neki Jevreji su stvarno....Hodidjed wrote:Ovo je najinteresantnije:
"The first most obvious implication of Clarke/Holbrooke “al-Qaeda remarks” is that if the U.S. government knew that Bin Laden and his group was infiltrating Bosnia, so must have known Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic. Therefore perhaps the ethnical cleansing they conducted did some good to Bosnia, because by killing hundreds of thousands of Muslims (some of them must have been extremists) they prevented 9/11 attacks being planned from the Balkans! (I apologize for being sarcastic)."Ako su oni normalni, bog me ubio.
...Sebastian bi bio novinar kojeg nema.
Očigledno se nije razumjela ova priča na pravi način. Nemojte uzimati pojedine dijelove izvan konteksta. Mislim da je tekst (uprkos nespretnom sarkazmu u ovom dijelu) ipak dovoljno afirmativan za BiH jer demaskira stalne i uporne insinuacije da je Bosna "leglo strašne Al-Qaide". Naravno, stvarna poenta ovog teksta je da se sistematski iskritizira (jadan) učinak Klintonove administracije na bosanski rat koji Klintonovi žele predstaviti kao veliko djelo naglog altruizma dotičnog bivšeg Predsjednika USA. Čovjek hoće da naglasi kako su Klinton i njegova administracija u startu uprskali stvar i na kraju došli do pukog zaustavljanja rata (koji je jedini pozitivni rezultat Dejtonskog sporazuma). U vrijeme pisanja ovog teksta je Hillary predlagala "solomonsko" rješenje rata u Iraku pukim prepisivanjem mirovnog sporazuma o Bosni. Čovjek je na jako plastičan način dao do znanja da Bosna i Irak nemaju ništa zajedničko...Bosna i Al-Qaida nikada nisu imali ništa zajedničko niti će imati...evo citata:
Ja mislim da je ovaj paragraf dovoljno objasnio kako su insinuacije tipa "Bin Laden u Bosni ovo-ono..." jednostavno deplasirane i idiotske. Nemojte ovog Poljaka odmah napadati prije nego shvatite šta čovjek piše...Moreover, Bosnia is a country with no history of hatred towards the U.S. and Western Europe. To the contrary, Bosniaks have always regarded themselves as Europeans and as a part of the West, even though they have been practicing different religion than the rest of Europe.
The Balkans, by a definition, is an unfriendly territory to Bin Laden and he could not have successfully planted and grown his vicious network over there to the extent gravely endangering the security of the West. That’s a given.
Otela si mi riječi iz usta.Odmah po čovjeku.osama Bin Laden, mrak na očima, vidi mu glave.I onda se čudimo što nam je ovako dobro.Ovi su kao evoluirali, kao znaju engleski i imaju pristup netu.Grohotom se smijem našoj nepismenosti i trčanjem pred ruduSoul_Sista wrote:Bas sam htjela reci nesto slicno.sarayewo wrote:Hm... Ili niste procitali kako treba ili niste skontali poentu... Tekst je jako probosanski i konstantno navodi implikacije DRUGIH (ne samog autora) o situaciji u Bosni 90ih godina...
Autor uporno kontrira izjavama tipa Bin Laden u Bosni i tom poredjenju BiH sa Irakom...
Covjek jako fino rezimira kompletnu americku (i svjetsku) politiku prema Bosni - preciznije prema Bosancima (namjerno necu da kazem Muslimanima) u Bosni. Nekoliko puta navodi da je Dejton nakaradno rjesenje situacije koja se zakomplikovala ocajnom politikom zapada - uvodjenjem embarga i pregovorima umjesto brzom i ostrom akcijom... Evo da izvucem par citata, mozda ce vam biti jasnije.
"One of the reasons I believe the Dayton was a misconception is because those 150,000 Muslim victims, whom Holbrooke mentions in his op-ed, could never have died in the first place, should the Western countries changed their policy toward imposing the arms embargo on Bosnia, 3 years prior to said peace negotiations. From retrospect, it was a policy which hugely contributed to the murderous genocide, producing stunning number of deaths (that’s actually not only my opinion, as it has been also publicly claimed by many independent experts, diplomats and academics)."
"There has been a movement (lead by the Clintonians) to promote the Dayton Peace Accords to allow its creators to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize (as I mentioned before Holbrooke did get nominated and so did Bill Clinton for his overall peace endeavors). However, it has not become a serious issue (fortunately). A just question arose whether one can be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for stopping a crime, which he has originally aggravated by ignorance and pursuit of wrong policies? Awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to Holbrooke/Clinton would be like awarding it to Henry Kissinger for stopping the war in Vietnam."
"According to Holbrooke: “in the Dayton Agreement, we required their removal and gave NATO the right to attack them; without Dayton, al-Qaeda would probably have planned the Sept. 11 attacks from Bosnia, not Afghanistan. To be honest, if somebody showed me those statements but didn’t tell they were authored by Clarke and Holbrooke, I would assume they were taken out from Milosevic’s testimony before ICTY”
Ovaj citat je vec pomenut "Therefore perhaps the ethnical cleansing they conducted did some good to Bosnia, because by killing hundreds of thousands of Muslims (some of them must have been extremists) they prevented 9/11 attacks being planned from the Balkans! (I apologize for being sarcastic)."
- sam autor naglasava svoj sarkazam u ovoj recenici... Druga stvar je sto ocito mnogi ovdje ne znaju prepoznati sarkazam iz konteksta kompletnog teksta...
Elem, da ne razvlacim dalje... tekst nijednog momenta nije usmjeren protiv Bosne i Bosanaca vec protiv politickih igara, spletki i izjava ljudi u koje smo se mi zaklinjali tih godina (Clinton, Holbrooke, itd.). Na kraju teksta autor govori o Bosni kao proevropskoj i prozapadnoj zemljij - da kod nas, za razliku od arapskih zemalja, ne postoji ta averzija prema zapadu. Takodje pominje da smo, za razliku od Iraka, zemlja sa istorijom i kulturom, sa godinama suzivota razlicitih religija (pa i njihovog mjesanja).
Konacno, znam da je ovo za neke predugacak tekst za procitati (mozda je bolje drzati se sekcije lifestyle na sa-x portalu), ali onda nemojte ni pisati nebuloze i komentarisati van konteksta price...![]()
Ili procitajte citav tekst ili ga skroz preskocite jer je glupo vaditi iz konteksta na nacin kako ste uradili na ovoj temi. Jebote ja pomislila covjek nacista..
Kao sto rekoh:"Nisam ga napao, samo sam mu rekao da takva vrsta sarkazma mu nema mjesta i bolje da nista nije ni pisao."8. sekretar SKOJ-a wrote:Naslov Aulichevog pisanija jeste loš i za nas Bosance iritirajući.
Ovo sam čitao prije nekoliko mjeseci kada je bilo aktuelno, ali nisam pokretao temu.
Osvrt na genocid u Bosni i ''nespretnost'' u izjavi da bi neko mogao reći da je dobro to što su genocidom likvidirani i neki ekstremisti među bosanskim muslimanima, ''urliče, vrišti'' na to da treba kritikovati i pored promptnog izvinjenja.
Naveo sam jedno od više ''Q zrna dobrote'' u članku (Q = faktor dobrote u elektronici).