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#1 Trifunovic-savjetnik za olimpijske igre

Posted: 03/06/2008 10:53
by IBM
Mislim da bi trebali znati:

http://rieas.gr/index.php?option=com_co ... &Itemid=41

OLYMPIC GAMES (2008) SECURITY PREPARATION IN CHINA

The Shanghai Center for International Studies appointed Dr. Darko Trifunovic (RIEAS Senior Advisor) as the first foreign expert for the Olympic Games (2008) security preparation in China (pdf format)

JAPAN AND TERRORISM INFRASTRUCTURE

Dr. Darko Trifunovic
(RIEAS Senior Advisor and former diplomat and now lecturer at the Faculty of Security Studies at the University of Belgrade, Serbia)

Copyright: http://www.shingetsuinstitute.com

Japanese government and counter-terrorism officials met behind closed doors this week with Dr. Darko Trifunovic, international expert on Islamic terrorism. In well-attended sessions, Dr. Trifunovic presented lectures on the following topics:

1. "White Al-Qaeda and the Bosnian jihad"
2. Bosnia and the al-Qaeda network: Modus Operandi
3. Bosnian experiences and Al-Qaeda's new training tactics
4. How terrorism is funded: the Bosnian model
5. Bosnia-Herzegovina and international terrorism
6. G-7 summit and terrorist threats

Generally speaking, when one is assessing the threat to a country or region coming from militant Islamic terrorists, (e.g. Al-Qaeda, and other similarly inclined groups), there are certain indicators to watch for. Among them are the following:
1. Presence of mujahedin;
2. Presence of so-called "humanitarian organizations"
3. Presence of state sponsors of terrorism
4. Presence of terrorist organizations
5. Manipulation of religion to terrorist purposes.

Surprisingly, all the above-mentioned elements apply to Japan. Osama bin Laden even personally declared Japan a target. The message of Al-Qaeda's leader, broadcast on Al-Jazeera on October 18, 2003, declares: "We reserve the right to retaliate, at an appropriate time and place, against all countries that take part in this unjust war, specifically Britain, Spain, Australia, Poland, Japan and Italy."

Of great concern to Japanese authorities is the already recorded presence of mujahedin in Japanese territory. One notable case is the notorious terrorist Lionel Dumont. Having bloodied his hands in Bosnia-Herzegovina, Dumont managed to flee the country in 1999 just one day before he was to be extradited to France. He subsequently traveled to Malaysia multiple times, before entering Japan in 2002, under an assumed name (Tinet Gerald Camille Armand). While in Malaysia, he spent time at the International Islamic University of Malaysia (IIUM), avoiding suspicion of the local authorities. It is suspected that Dumont arrived in Japan with the intent of establishing a terrorist network, with the aid of Hamid Aich, a fellow ex-mujahedin from Bosnia, who is currently in Ireland.

Following their practice in Bosnia, mujahedin have married Japanese women, so as to legalize their Japanese residency. Aich's Japanese wife now wears a full chador, and works for the "humanitarian" organization Mercy International Relief Agency in Ireland. By remarkable coincidence, a few years ago the agency was visited by Saudi millionaire Yassin al-Qadi, suspected of developing a network of banks in Bosnia dedicated to financing Islamic militants. Al-Qadi was implicated in scandals involving the Vakufska and Depozitna banks, which alongside with 19 other banks in Bosnia finance credit and debit card company BamCard. BamCard's management was by and large educated in Malaysia -- at IIUM.

Japanese officials have ample reasons for concern. Lionel Dumont is a member of the so-called "Algerian group," suspected of planning an attack at the G-7 summit in 1996. On that occasion, counter-terrorist police killed one of the group members, Christophe Caze, who was a close associate of Dumont. Another group member, Bendaoui Hocine, is suspected of a terrorist attack on the Turkish Prime Minister in 1996, as well as connections with the terrorist group led by Fateh Kamel, also a Bosnian and Afghan mujahedin, and reportedly a member of Al-Qaeda. Another dangerous terrorist belongs to this group: Bouguelane Mouloud, who goes under many names, but prefers to use his Italian alias Carlo Manzzoni. His French ID is in the name of Kamel Khodri.

Dumont and other members of this group who operate in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Japan belong to a branch of Al-Qaeda known as Taqfir Wa'al Hijra, which once operated it Italy. There are suspicions it is still active on Italian soil.

After arriving to Japan, Dumont was hired as a driver by Himu Islam Mohamed. He was also a driver in Bosnia, following the end of the war and his career as a mujahedin. How can a French convert to Islam, who speaks several languages and has been a terrorist instructor, be a humble driver? The job, of course, is a cover -- as a driver, he can travel freely while maintaining a low profile. When he was arrested in Germany, large sums of money were found in his Japanese bank accounts.

Al-Qaeda has its tentacles all over the world, including the "White Al-Qaeda" and its Bosnian connections. Instead of solving the problem, certain officials in Sarajevo make it worse. Convicted terrorist Karim Said Atmani, close associate of Lionel Dumont, Bosnian mujahedin and member of the so-called "Montreal group," is suspected of involvement in the 1996 terrorist attack in Paris and the "millennium plot." The French court that convicted Atmani stated that he was a member of GIA, a major organization operating within Al-Qaeda. Even though he was released for "good conduct," Atmani vowed he would "fight the Jihad till the end." His arrival in Bosnia and cooperation with Abu al-Ma'ali (known in counter-terrorist circles as "Osama Junior") is considered a serious terrorist threat. Abu al-Ma'ali is wanted by the French law enforcement for smuggling explosives into Egypt in 1998, as well as an attempt to attack U.S. military installations in Germany. He is also accused of operating terrorist cells in Bosnia, Pakistan and Afghanistan. According to French intelligence, this terrorist enjoyed personal protection of war crimes suspect Alija Izetbegovic (who had multiple convictions for fomenting hatred and religious intolerance, prior to becoming the political leader of Bosnian Muslims).

Here is just one example of how fertile Bosnian soil is for Al-Qaeda operations. The Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation (AHF), ordered closed due to its connections with Al-Qaeda, reopened several months later in Bosnia, under the name "Vazir." This new organization was registered as a charity sponsoring "sport, culture and education." There are similar organizations in Japan.

As for Lionel Dumont and his fellow mujahedin, the greatest concern is over their recent cooperation with Tunisian Mohamed Shaffik Ayadi, a naturalized Bosnian citizen designated by Yassin Al-Qadi Khaddi as co-owned of Depozitna Bank.

Of the so-called "humanitarian organizations," the largest and most dangerous one is Tabligh-i-Jamaat, which operates worldwide. This organization's main goal is to convert to Islam as many citizens of the host country as possible. Also, its hidden mission is to radicalize the existing Muslims. Organizations like this cannot be directly accused of terrorism, even though individual members can and have been members of various Al-Qaeda subgroups. However, this and other similar organizations share the same goal as Al-Qaeda, which is the creation of the Ummah, a global Islamic state. One particular danger these organizations represent is the motivation of radical groups through militant Islamic ideology of intolerance and hatred of "infidels." By spreading Islam and making the existing Muslims more militant, organizations like this create fertile soil for Al-Qaeda operatives and their allies.

It is estimated that there are 17,000 Muslims in Japan, 8,000 of which are converts (this includes the second- and third-generation children born of Japanese mothers and non-Japanese fathers). In some countries of Western Europe, notably France and Germany, it is precisely these second and third-generation youths that are targeted for influence by radical groups. Most Muslims in Japan are Pakistani and Malaysian, so one cannot rule out potential influences of terrorist groups from those two countries, including Al-Qaeda.

Osama bin Laden was serious when he mentioned Japan as a target. Based on the facts presented here, Japan is already under attack from within, and in due time, it may be possible for terrorists to strike at its very heart. However, since the network of Islamic fundamentalists is still being developed, the likelihood of direct action (i.e. attack) is still very low. Any violence at this stage risks exposing and endangering the still-developing networks.

#2 Re: Trifunovic-savjetnik za olimpijske igre

Posted: 03/06/2008 10:53
by IBM
http://www.kurir-info.rs/clanak/kurir-2 ... -najboljih

DARKO TRIFUNOVIĆ U TIMU NAJBOLJIH

BEOGRAD - Predavač na Fakultetu za bezbednost u Beogradu i ekspert za terorizam i bezbednost Darko Trifunović biće prvi međunarodni stručnjak koga je Narodna Republika Kina pozvala da učestvuje u pripremama za predstojeće Letnje olimpijske igre. Poziv iz Kine, prema rečima dekana Fakulteta za bezbednost Vladimira Cvetkovića, predstavlja logičan nastavak saradnje ovog fakulteta s predstavnicima najmnogoljudnije zemlje sveta.

- Početkom prošle godine Univerzitet u Beogradu, a posebno Fakultet za bezbednost, posetila je visoka delegacija vlade Republike Kine, koju smo tom prilikom informisali o svim mogućnostima i onome što naš fakultet može da uradi na polju bezbednosti - istakao je Cvetković.

Poziv Kine, prema rečima Darka Trifunovića, trebalo bi da predstavlja veliku stvar ne samo za njega kao pojedinca već i za Srbiju, kao i za unapređenje odnosa ove dve zemlje i uspostavljanje kontakata i na polju bezbednosti.

- Velika je čast biti prvi međunarodni stručnjak koji će učestvovati u pripremama za ovako veliki događaj kao što su Olimpijske igre. Posebno sam počastvovan kada znam da tek posle mene u Kinu dolazi i jedan od deset najvećih svetskih stručnjaka za terorizam i bezbednost u svetu, dr Boaz Ganor, a kuriozitet predstavlja i sertifikat koji sam dobio od kineskih kolega kao prvi strani stručnjak koga su oni angažovali na polju bezbednosti - rekao je Trifunović i dodao da mu je u sagledavanju bezbednosne situacije u Kini dosta pomogla i poseta Šangaju i Hongkongu.

Veliki događaji poput Olimpijskih igara predstavljaju dobru priliku za delovanje raznih terorističkih grupa, a ako se ima u vidu da je u pitanju najmnogoljudnija zemlja sveta u čijoj neposrednoj blizini već postoje aktivne terorističke grupe, kao i specifičan način života Kineza, kod kojih se normalan, svakodnevni, užurbani život odvija u neposrednoj blizini stadiona i sportskih objekata, taj rizik je još veći.

- Moj posao je da pomognem kineskim kolegama da Olimpijske igre prođu u miru i da budu apsolutno bezbedne. O detaljima ne mogu da razgovaram, ali pokušaću da kolegama iz Kine prenesem znanja i iskustva koja mi imamo, a koja smo sticali svih ovih godina na Balkanu - objasnio je Trifunović.
Autor:
Gordana Raković

#3 Re: Trifunovic-savjetnik za olimpijske igre

Posted: 04/06/2008 03:45
by Bosanac sa dna kace
:shock: :-?

#4 Re: Trifunovic-savjetnik za olimpijske igre

Posted: 04/06/2008 04:40
by WizzardFromBOZ
da li je ovaj vladimir cvetkovic nekadasnji kosarkas i reprezentativac ex-yu ili se radi o nekom drugom vc?

#5 Re: Trifunovic-savjetnik za olimpijske igre

Posted: 04/06/2008 14:05
by tempora
Sta kaze uvazeni ekspert za terorizam? Bitan dogadjaj za Srbiju ! Uvazeni ekspert u cijoj zemlji je mucki ubijen jedan predsjednik , a kojeg on sa svojim unikatnim znanjem o terorizmu u svijetu nije mogao spasiti! Delije i Grobari su takodjer zanemariva varijanta jer oni nisu bosanski mudzahedini na koje Trifunovic treba trositi vrijeme, kao ni na srpske radikalne, ekstremne fasisticke struje koje su uvijek spremne da pokolju i pobiju pola komsiluka.
I dzaba Bosancima akademske titule i predavanja na po sedam fakulteta, kada im zivot kroje Trifunovici i njihovi raporti o Srebrenici! Posto u ovom slucaju ovu karikaturu ljudske civilizacije ne mozemo sprijeciti da da svoj vrli doprinos bezbjednosti olimpijskih igara u Kini, preostaje nam jedino da prikazemo njegova djela drzavama, ljudima ,udruzenjima kojima isti nije poznat.
Dakle, IBM, Bosanac i ostali koji ste upoznati sa Trifunovicevom "ekspertizom"- odakle da pocnemo? Ideje? :oops:

#6 Re: Trifunovic-savjetnik za olimpijske igre

Posted: 04/06/2008 14:30
by zgembo_sa
tempora wrote:odakle da pocnemo? Ideje? :oops:
Jednim teroristickim aktom :D

#7 Re: Trifunovic-savjetnik za olimpijske igre

Posted: 25/06/2008 11:12
by Bosanac sa dna kace
samo da priupitam ima l sta nova i da osvjezim temu....

#8 Re: Trifunovic-savjetnik za olimpijske igre

Posted: 25/06/2008 12:11
by Sarafcina
Trifunovic vadi teze... bez narocitog smisla za dokazivanje.
Sve ovo je vise politicki nego strucno... ali se radi majstorski.

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Generally speaking, when one is assessing the threat to a country or region coming from militant Islamic terrorists, (e.g. Al-Qaeda, and other similarly inclined groups), there are certain indicators to watch for. Among them are the following:
1. Presence of mujahedin;
2. Presence of so-called "humanitarian organizations"
3. Presence of state sponsors of terrorism
4. Presence of terrorist organizations
5. Manipulation of religion to terrorist purposes.
Generalno gledano ;), na ovaj nacin se moze dokazati da je prijetnja od islamskog terorizma prisutna u bilo kojoj zemlji (iskljucujuci zemlje juzne amerike, ali tamo se ionako ne smije pricati o terorizmu... tamo se vode gerilski ratovi :? )
Ono sto Trifunovicu izgleda niko jos nije obio o glavu je to da on islamski terorizam ocito definise kao sve aktivnosti Al Kaide, gdje imamo problem da kazemo i sta su aktivnosti, a kamoli da se kaze sta je to Al Kaida. A potom se sve sto ima veze sa islamom trpa pod Al Kaidu... i odjednom izroni termin "islamski terorizam".
Dobar posao za novinara, katastrofalan za naucnika. Narocito kad se vidi da je npr. Tabliq dzemat strpan u teroriste (a pakistanci samo furaju fol... da ima hadis da je Muhamed a.s. volio setat, pa hajmo i mi sada malo setati i slijediti sunnet). Naravno, gornji tekst je cini mi se nepotpisan, pa ovaj stav i ne mogu pripisati Trifunovicu. Ali ono odakle definitivno treba krenuti, to je da se Trifunovicevi radovi vec jednom uzmu (naci verzije na engleskom) i da se pokaze da je sve to obicno politikanstvo jednog demagoga (i bivseg diplomate koji je... cini mi se zbog kriminala to prestao biti).
Uostalom, dajte da uzmemo te njegove teze i da ih testiramo... ali da prvo razdvojimo zemlje gdje imamo terorizam (dokazan, jer Trifunovic nekako podrazumijeva postojanje terorizma u BiH i to dokazuje gornjim tezama, a istovremeno mu je izgleda dokaz tih teza BiH... u nauci se to naziva cirkularnim argumentom). U svakom slucaju, Trifunovic je izvalio postojanje terorista u Japanu (dje njih nadje majke mu) i onda u clanku cijelo vrijeme pici prica tetka-teco treba kosu shishat. I prica se o imenima ljudi koji su dokazani teroristi i eto Darko za njih zna, a Japanci ih pored silnih potjernica ne hapse (a Darko zna i sta veceraju). I naravno... glavni igrac je reko da ce napasti Japan (ko se sjeca Osaminih prijetnji iz tog doba, zna da je prijetnja bila upucena drzavama koje su prve uputile vojsku u Irak... i da se kojim slucajem kakva eskimska republika nasla na spisku, Osama bi ih spomenuo. Naravno, treba odmah vidjeti da je Darko ovdje nabrojao zemlje gdje su vec bili napadi (UK, SPanija), sugerisuci da ce ostali tek da dobiju svoje. Al prodje otad deset bajrama... a nindza fundamentalista se ne javi.
I naravno, treba pogledati svaku od teza pojedinacno (recimo dobra mi je ona... manipulisanje religijom u teroristicke svrhe ... sta to konkretno znaci? )

#9 Re: Trifunovic-savjetnik za olimpijske igre

Posted: 26/06/2008 11:14
by Bosanac sa dna kace
@saraf svaka ti dala :thumbup:

#10 Re: Trifunovic-savjetnik za olimpijske igre

Posted: 26/06/2008 14:18
by Sarafcina
Bosanac sa dna kace wrote:@saraf svaka ti dala :thumbup:

;) ... fala fala ;) :D .. taman me napomenu da jos malo cackam ove teze :) :) i zamolim da ako neko ima pristup radovima, pogleda kako Darko definise osnovne pojmove iz ovih teza (ozbiljan naucnik to mora uraditi ;) )

Generally speaking, when one is assessing the threat to a country or region coming from militant Islamic terrorists, (e.g. Al-Qaeda, and other similarly inclined groups), there are certain indicators to watch for. Among them are the following:
1. Presence of mujahedin; Kako se definisu mudzahedini. Jel to srpska definicija o ustasko mudzahedinskim snagama u npr. Prijedoru 92?
2. Presence of so-called "humanitarian organizations" O kakvim tzv. organizacijama se radi. Kako da ih prepoznamo? Da li se misli na sve organizacije koje drze Arapi ili tu spadaju i ovi antiglobalisti i slicna sorta (ja sam puno radio sa antiglobalistima i ostalim altruistima, jesam li mudzahedin??)
3. Presence of state sponsors of terrorism Ko definise koje su to drzave sponzori terorizma (ops, najebali smo odmah i sa definicijom terorizma, ali necemo to sad cackat). Da li je USA sponzor terorizma zbog svog djelovanja u J. Americi ili mozda Venecuela (zbog Kolumbije)? Irska?? Hmmm.. Saudijska Arabija ;)?
4. Presence of terrorist organizations Bingo, svaka cast za zakljucak da prisustvo teroristickih organizacija nosi opasnost od terorizma. Nabijem ja naucnika na tuki, ako mu je ovo argument. Ovo je kao da ja kazem da je za razmatranje koristi od fudbalera za neku zemlju, jedan od indikatora postojanje fudbalskih klubova. Valjda su teroristi (ili fudbaleri) posljedica djelovanja organizacija (ili klubova)... mozda nekome izgleda nejasno, ali Darko prakticno opet upada u cirkularni argument, pa sam kaze da je postojanje terorzma, indikator opasnosti od terorizma. Bilmez.
5. Manipulation of religion to terrorist purposes. Opet nedefinisanost do bola. Sta znaci manipulisati religijom u teroristicke svrhe? Jel to u zakonu nekom definisano tako? Ili je mozda ono kad se dovede pop da osvestava topove? Nadalje, ko to radi? Organizacije ili teroristi ;)? Ako to oni rade, onda samo treba procitati gornju tacku (jer zvati nesto islamskim terorizmom i reci da je indikator postojanja manipulisanje istim tim islamom je... sve osim nauke. Ekvivalent bi bio da kazemo da je indikator elektricne struje postojanje elektriciteta. Bravo doktore.) Ako to rade obicni vjerski sluzbenici (Darko ovdje ustvari nateze da bi mu Muderis sluzio dokazu teze), koji nisu teroristi i ako pri tome ne krse zakon... onda tu problema nema. Ako krse zakon.. zna se. Ali naravno, opet je pitanje sta je manipulisanje religijom u bilo koje svrhe?

#11 Re: Trifunovic-savjetnik za olimpijske igre

Posted: 27/06/2008 08:48
by WizzardFromBOZ
Sta znaci manipulisati religijom u teroristicke svrhe?
mislim da se tu nema sta mnogo diskutirati. tko zna zna, tko ne zna - pravi se budala (i ako je pametan).

Jel to u zakonu nekom definisano tako? Ili je mozda ono kad se dovede pop da osvestava topove?
jeste i to, i jos vise, kad se koriste sve raspolozive snage vjerskih poglavara da isperu mozak vlastitom stadu, a onda te iste koriste protiv "onih drugih", pod izlikom borbe za slobodu. nazalost, takvih je bilo dosta i medju onima koji nisu u mantijama. problem je samo sto se i ono zakona sto postoji nitko ne pridrzava, tj. ni 16 godina nakon pocetka "borbenih dejstava" (kako to "strucno" nazivaju vojna loica) jos nitko nije pozvan na odgovornost za potpaljivanje vatre medju narodom...

#12 Re: Trifunovic-savjetnik za olimpijske igre

Posted: 27/06/2008 11:10
by Sarafcina
WizzardFromBOZ wrote:
Sta znaci manipulisati religijom u teroristicke svrhe?
mislim da se tu nema sta mnogo diskutirati. tko zna zna, tko ne zna - pravi se budala (i ako je pametan).
Ima se jako puno diskutovati, jer se mora napraviti granica izmedju manipulisanja i slobode govora. Prvo da podsjetim da poenta mog pisanja nije odobravanje ili neodobravanje manipulisanja. Glavni problem je sto Trifunovic kao indiciju podloznosti drzave opasnosti od terorizma nudi nedefinisanu kategoriju. Tim rezonom se moze i dokazati i opovrgnuti sve. Ili ako hoces da pojam islamski terorizam u gornjem tekstu promijenimo u pojam pravoslavni terorizam i opucamo da ga prepoznajemo ...u Srbiji... ili BiH. Hoces se kladiti da cemo se morati sasrati ko grlice. To naravno ne govori nista o terorizmu nego prvenstveno o bilmezluku autora.



WizzardFromBOZ wrote:
Jel to u zakonu nekom definisano tako? Ili je mozda ono kad se dovede pop da osvestava topove?
jeste i to, i jos vise, kad se koriste sve raspolozive snage vjerskih poglavara da isperu mozak vlastitom stadu, a onda te iste koriste protiv "onih drugih", pod izlikom borbe za slobodu. nazalost, takvih je bilo dosta i medju onima koji nisu u mantijama. problem je samo sto se i ono zakona sto postoji nitko ne pridrzava, tj. ni 16 godina nakon pocetka "borbenih dejstava" (kako to "strucno" nazivaju vojna loica) jos nitko nije pozvan na odgovornost za potpaljivanje vatre medju narodom...

eto... pogledamo Kacavendine govore.. i posaljemo mu antiteroristicku jedinicu na vrata. besmisleno jel da?


Ja samo pokusavam da kazem da ovo sto Trifunovic radi nije nauka (argumenti su gore), a time njegovi zakljucci... macku o rep.
I jos da dodam, da kada se navedu neki uslovi...ovako taksativno.. onda treba ponuditi i neku mjeru odnosno njihovu logicku vezu. Naime, nigdje u clanku nema odgovora (priznajem nisam citao radove) koji od uslova moraju biti ispunjeni i u kojoj mjeri (npr. jel prisustvo Iranske ambasade dovoljno da se jedan od uslova ispuni)... odnosno matematicki pricajuci... sta su potrebni, a sta dovoljni uslovi.

#13 Re: Trifunovic-savjetnik za olimpijske igre

Posted: 28/06/2008 14:32
by Bosanac sa dna kace
WizzardFromBOZ wrote:
Sta znaci manipulisati religijom u teroristicke svrhe?
mislim da se tu nema sta mnogo diskutirati. tko zna zna, tko ne zna - pravi se budala (i ako je pametan).

Jel to u zakonu nekom definisano tako? Ili je mozda ono kad se dovede pop da osvestava topove?
jeste i to, i jos vise, kad se koriste sve raspolozive snage vjerskih poglavara da isperu mozak vlastitom stadu, a onda te iste koriste protiv "onih drugih", pod izlikom borbe za slobodu. nazalost, takvih je bilo dosta i medju onima koji nisu u mantijama. problem je samo sto se i ono zakona sto postoji nitko ne pridrzava, tj. ni 16 godina nakon pocetka "borbenih dejstava" (kako to "strucno" nazivaju vojna loica) jos nitko nije pozvan na odgovornost za potpaljivanje vatre medju narodom...
men se cini da ti ovdje pokusavas da izjednacis zrtvu i agresora :-? :run:

#14 Re: Trifunovic-savjetnik za olimpijske igre

Posted: 28/06/2008 15:12
by IBM
mah Trifunovicevo pisanje nikad se nije moglo smatrati ni naucno ni istrazivacko.ono je jednostavno bullshit.no, ono sto brine jeste sto njegova cesto medijsko pojavljivanje i ''guranje'' njegovih stavova od strane zvacnicnih srbijanski institucija jeste dovelo do toga da se on smatra relevantnim u pojedinim evropskim zemlja glede pitanja sigurnosti i terrorizma.

Jedino sta se moze uraditi jeste da se protestuje svaki put kada da bude pozvan od strane neke znacajne institucije. ili da (sto je teze uzimajuci neefikasnosti nasih institucija i intelektualca pa cak i vas gradjana) se on jednom zauvijek diskredituje. A diskreditovati Trifunovica nije tesko.Tolko je shit-a izjavio i napisao da je to nevjerovatno.

#15 Re: Trifunovic-savjetnik za olimpijske igre

Posted: 28/06/2008 17:21
by Abacija
IBM wrote:mah Trifunovicevo pisanje nikad se nije moglo smatrati ni naucno ni istrazivacko.ono je jednostavno bullshit.no, ono sto brine jeste sto njegova cesto medijsko pojavljivanje i ''guranje'' njegovih stavova od strane zvacnicnih srbijanski institucija jeste dovelo do toga da se on smatra relevantnim u pojedinim evropskim zemlja glede pitanja sigurnosti i terrorizma.
Jedino sta se moze uraditi jeste da se protestuje svaki put kada da bude pozvan od strane neke znacajne institucije. ili da (sto je teze uzimajuci neefikasnosti nasih institucija i intelektualca pa cak i vas gradjana) se on jednom zauvijek diskredituje. A diskreditovati Trifunovica nije tesko.Tolko je shit-a izjavio i napisao da je to nevjerovatno.
Jedna od tih zvanicnih srbijanskih institucija je i SANU - say no more! A to sto neke zemlje furaju Trifunovica govori ko i sta su te zemlje. Kina npr. se satra sa svojim "treniranjem" demokratije.

Trifunovic je objavio 3 clanka na srpskom:
- "Islamska fundamentalistička globalna mreža-modus operandi, model Bosna", 2002;
- "Rat u BIH i teroristički napad na Svetski trgovinski centar", 2004 (http://nainfo.nbs.bg.ac.yu/sfoa/clanak. ... 890404229T) i
- "Kreiranje islamske države na teritoriji zemalja Centralne Azije", 2004 (http://nainfo.nbs.bg.ac.yu/sfoa/clanak. ... 260403009T).
Niko jos nije naucno komentarisao nijedan od ova dva clanka iz 2004, dok je Trifunovic sam citirao svoj clanak iz 2002.

#16 Re: Trifunovic-savjetnik za olimpijske igre

Posted: 30/06/2008 01:26
by Bosanac sa dna kace
ruka ruku mije
[size=16pt]KINA: SRUŠILI DŽAMIJU ZBOG ZASTAVE OI [/size]
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U saopštenju se navodi da je srušena džamija u oblasti Kalpin nedaleko od grada Aksu.


Kineske vlasti u regionu Sin|ijang na zapadu zemlje srušili su džamiju, jer su imami odbili da na zdanje stave transparente u znak podrške održavanju Olimpijskih igara /OI/ u Pekingu, saopštila je danas grupa Svjetski kongres Ujgura, koja se nalazi u egzilu.

U saopštenju se navodi da je srušena džamija u oblasti Kalpin nedaleko od grada Aksu.

Portparol kancelarije vlade u provinciji Sinđijang nije bila dostupna za bilo kakav komentar.

"Kina primorava imame da na džamije stavljaju zastave sa podrškom OI kako bi ujgurski narod podržavao njihovo održavanje. Međutim, taj potez je naišao na otpor", navodi se u saopštenju portparola Svjetskog kongresa Ujgura Dilsata Raksita.

Peking tvrdi da Al-Kaida sarađuje sa aktivistima iz Sinđijanga i da terorom pokušavaju da ustanove nezavisnu državu pod nazivom Istočni Turkistan.

Ujguri su turski narod, koji pretežno živi u Kini, odnosno u autonomnoj pokrajini Sinđijang Ujgur, u kojoj čini relativnu etničku većinu od 45%. Ujguri su većinom islamske vjeroispovjesti, a govore ujgurskim jezikom, koji spada u tursku grupu altajske porodice jezika.

Ujgura ukupno ima oko 8.852.000, od toga u Kini 8.569.000, a u Kazahstanu 232.000.

(SRNA)
24.06.2008

#17 Re: Trifunovic-savjetnik za olimpijske igre

Posted: 30/06/2008 14:05
by Sarafcina
hope admins will be able ;) to tolerate ... a few sentences in english :D
Darko Trifunovic wrote: Rat u BIH i teroristički napad na Svetski trgovinski centar

Abstract

It is long covered up the fact that the most suspicious terrorists were partners in war that has led on the space of former SFRJ. After the tragic event of September 11, 2001, the attention of the world public is directed to acting of Islam state UMMA. Recovering the details about right intention and aims that Islam extremists want to succeed excellent in using terrorism there is acquired the new knowledge about a nature of the war that is waged superb on the space of Bosnia and Herzegovina. The same Islam extremist centers of terrorism that are managed and inspired the terrorism attacks on USA in September 11, 2001,are borne also responsibility for civil war that is waged in Bosnia and Herzegovina 1992-1995.

http://nainfo.nbs.bg.ac.yu/sfoa/clanak. ... 890404229T
Scientific article should not contain phrases like “we all know..”, “it has been known…” or “it is long covered up” :D :D ;). It is usually followed by some statement claiming to be true (usually without adequate proof, and aforementioned phrases are there to compensate lack of proofs). Pity, there is no complete article online.
Next sentence in the abstract…. “ acting of Islam state UMMA” . Maybe I am illiterate in geography, but as far as I know.. there is no Islam state.. especially one called UMMA. And Darko says that “attention of the world public is directed” to it, suggesting that everybody knows about it. I don’t want to be rude, but something like that is not work of a scientist, but liar’s.
The next issue I would ask Mr. Trifunovic is where are those “Islam extremist centers” that he is talking about and giving them responsibility for the “civil war”. What are the references for that?


Darko Trifunovic wrote: Creating an Islamic state on the territory of Central Asian countries

Abstract

Already proven scenario for creating territories dominated by Islamic fundamentalists and the implementation of the plans of Islamic caliphate, primarily incorporating states and regions populated predominantly by Muslims, with aspirations to eventually encompass the whole world, started to come true on the territory of the Central Asian countries. This is the reason for forming a new terrorist organization, named LIVO, who's "striking fist" and spine are the Uzbekistan Islamic Movement, Al-Qaeda, and other organizations acting towards the same goals not only regionally but globally as well.

http://nainfo.nbs.bg.ac.yu/sfoa/clanak. ... 260403009T

As above, Mr. Trifunovic is using general statements and linguistic props in order to say his opinions. That is fine, but my grandmother has a lot of opinions ;) ...luckily it is not called science :D. For example, what is „already proven scenario“ for creating territories dominated by SOMEONE? Does he mean Banja Luka or Srebrenica maybe? That scenario is proven and I would not object if Mr. Trifunovic shows that scenario applied by islamists. If he means something else (as Afghanistan maybe, then I would say it is not correct case, as political power of Talibans does not mean domination.... almost all the inhabitants are the same before and after Talibans, and therefore that is not territory that is dominated by Talibans) then he needs proof.
Then, „aspirations to encompass whole world“ is a really serious claim. And therefore asks for very strong proof. Why am saying this? Because, at least half the computer geeks I know are claiming to create something bigger then evil imperia of Microsoft. At least half the religious sects I ever heard of are claiming that the World is nearly at an END, meaning only their Kingdom is going to survive. Usually scientist should make distinction which claims are for science to deal with, which are for politicians and which ones are for Monty Python.
That thing about LIVO should have the same treatment.

#18 Re: Trifunovic-savjetnik za olimpijske igre

Posted: 19/07/2008 16:00
by Bosanac sa dna kace
jel ima šta nova?
vidim da su Kinezi povješali par muslimana da nije ovaj krmak imo kakv kontribušn u tome? :shock: