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The International Stability Force's (SFOR) term of duty in Bosnia-Herzegovina expires at the end of this year, leaving many wondering if Turkey will continue its presence in the region.

During the June 28-29 North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) summit in Istanbul it was decided that a new force under the command of the European Union (EU) would be formed to replace SFOR. According to the decision, as they are not EU members, America and Turkey would withdraw their troops. However, the US declared that it would maintain its military existence in Bosnia, and no country objected to this. So, the only country that will leave Bosnia is Turkey, which has a contingent of 350 troops assigned to the city of Zenica.

The possibility that Turkish soldiers might leave the city disturbs the residents of Zenica. 70 percent of the city's 146,000 residents are Bosnian Muslims. The rest are Serbian and Croatian. The people have a great fondness for the Turkish troops since they have the same cultural and religious background. The Turkish troops also work on the type of projects that win people over, such as park and road construction.

Diplomatic sources indicate that SFOR will be handed over to a force to be constituted of EU's facilities. The sources point out that this force will not be exclusively an EU force; rather, it would be overseen by the EU.

Turkish troops will see out their term of duty, but no decision has been made about what will happen after 2004. Ankara continues to hold meetings concerning the issue, and it seems likely that the troops will stay in Zenica for the new term as well.

The number of soldiers in Bosnia's army is not enough to provide for the total security of the country. Due to financial reasons, 5,000 soldiers were dismissed, bringing the Bosnian army's total active personnel down to 8,000.

English;
http://zaman.com./?bl=international&alt ... 1&hn=11024

Turkish;
http://www.zaman.com.tr/?bl=dishaberler ... 1&hn=75747

what Bosnian people think about Turkish forces there ?

especially the young Bosnian, near my ages. USA declared his statue for the next year, then would you like to see Turkish ones also ?


PS : english language preferred

i would like to see greeks swim in agean but not as tourists, like they did in Izmir(smyrna)
then i would like to see nice highway which would connect turkish people with bosnians
ISTANBUL-SKOPLJE-SARAJEVO-BIHAC and forward

then my wish would be that Turkish people have a better understanding about orthodox turks you left in our country, they go by name of bosnian serbs excuse me Serbs

Turks should stay and be better friend to bosnians, we have same 500 year old history and lot of sultans and visiers had bosnian bl

ood
such as Rustem pasa And other great people

Turkey should have our back if sick people across Drina try to invade our country


Bing Crosby wrote a good song once im dreming of white christmass

well im dreaming of green highway

Ah, YES WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT TURSKIH SINGER ZELJKO JOKSIMOVIC AND HIS SONG LANE MOJE?
HE SAID TURKS WILL PAY DEARLY WHAT THEY DID TO SERBS, BUT ON EUROVISION HE CAME DRESSED IN ORIGINAL TURKISH CLOTHES AND SUCH
i heard that lot of turks think this is original turkish music

Oh, yes one more question
how many Turks of Bosnian descent live today in Istanbul and if you know maybe Izmir?

valjda bi trebalo biti Bosnjaks



mene samo uznemirava povlačenje Finaca amerikanaca i nijemaca

violentjack wrote:Oh, yes one more question
how many Turks of Bosnian descent live today in Istanbul and if you know maybe Izmir?

here is a topic about your question on this forum,

one of the peple who comments there is me
http://p083.ezboard.com/fbalkansfrm12.s ... =270.topic

Da ih je više bilo bi bolje .

violentjack wrote: Ah, YES WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT TURSKIH SINGER ZELJKO JOKSIMOVIC AND HIS SONG LANE MOJE?
HE SAID TURKS WILL PAY DEARLY WHAT THEY DID TO SERBS, BUT ON EUROVISION HE CAME DRESSED IN ORIGINAL TURKISH CLOTHES AND SUCH
i heard that lot of turks think this is original turkish music

Zeljko's song was really good, but I know all the melody of that song before. It is an original melody of Azerbaicani Turk songs.

It is stolen from there, and they said it like their own


I heard about her speaches before the Eurovision, but later when she came here he made a speech than all that saying are lie ! she didnt say such a sentence.

Anyway, I dont like her. I can see how his brain think about Ottoman Empire.

komi wrote:valjda bi trebalo biti Bosnjaks



mene samo uznemirava povlačenje Finaca amerikanaca i nijemaca

sto Finaca pobogu

Istanbul, quick question for you.

In your opinion, how come Turkey, especially Turkish government did so little for Bosnia during the war here? We appreciate all the humanitarian aid, moral support and even some insignificant weapon support, but where was the stronger political pressure? When Macedonia was about to break into the war Turkey sent the message to Serbia that they would go to war if they do anything in Macedonia. Message in the case of Bosnia was much softer.

What happened? I think that people of Bosnia including myself (I am not Muslim but I am Bosnian) were deeply disappointed and we expected much more. If you ever listened to Serb nationalist when they were killing civilians or shelling cities, they never said that they were killing Bosnians but Turks...

Please exaplain. Your opinion...

dariosa wrote:Istanbul, quick question for you.

In your opinion, how come Turkey, especially Turkish government did so little for Bosnia during the war here? We appreciate all the humanitarian aid, moral support and even some insignificant weapon support, but where was the stronger political pressure? When Macedonia was about to break into the war Turkey sent the message to Serbia that they would go to war if they do anything in Macedonia. Message in the case of Bosnia was much softer.

What happened? I think that people of Bosnia including myself (I am not Muslim but I am Bosnian) were deeply disappointed and we expected much more. If you ever listened to Serb nationalist when they were killing civilians or shelling cities, they never said that they were killing Bosnians but Turks...

Please exaplain. Your opinion...

selam Dariosa...

first of all I am 25 years old, when the war in Bosnia started in 1992 i was 13 years old, and i wasnt interested in international events, and news that much.

the difference may be because of the government changes surely. Worst side of my country is 'we dont have a long term plan, we change our decides with our governments nearly in every field'. I think this is the answer for your question...


Sure we had to say the same 'if you do anything to Bosnia, we will go in to the war', but some people who doesnt care that much about Bosnia were in leader position. And also they wanted to prevent Serbs to do that, but their priority was different, first they were asking to USA what to do.


And about the second question; I know that they were making the war against the Turks in Bosnia. they call Bosniaks 'Yugoslavian Turks'. They dont want to see any Turkish, Ottoman trace in Europe. But you did it very well.

I wish no more war in Balkans.

What is curent government in Turkey?

I also heard there is one Turk of Bosnian descent who is doing quite well, Cem Uzan

Can you name few influent Bosnians of Turkish descent

How many Bosnians live in Turkey and Istanbul?

I heard there are large concentration in DIVAN YOLU, hope i did get it right?

What do ordinary Turks think about Bosnians?

Will Turkey help Bosnia if Serbia decide to invade our country, since you never know ?

Is is true that SAKIB SABANCI IS OF BOSNIAN DESCENT

there is one bOSNIAN BANU ULKAN OR SOMETHING FEMALE I THINK POPULAR

I also heard that most of TRT turkish television is owned by Bosnians of Turkish descent

Dario sa, u Makedoniji imas oko 80 000 etnickih Turaka zvani Joruci, koji su se tamo naseljavali iz Anatolije za otomanskog perioda

Takoder imas preko 500 000 Albanaca koji su 25% stanovnistva, imas vlaha par, imas 17 000 Bosnjaka, Negdje 35 000 Srba, takoder cigani su zastupljeni, a Makedonija je mnogo blize Turskoj samo preko Bugarske, koja je danas prakticki Turski vazal ekonomski i ostalo

Bas me briga za brkate Turke. Steta onih norvezanki, sve odose

pozdrav izvainjavam se zbog upada van teme.
Moze li mi neko reci treba li pasos od Sarajeva do Dubrovnika i ima li uopste granicne kontrole?
Pozdrav
Neupuceni turista

bosmen wrote:®ivio Kemal Ataturk,


Jer da nije ¾ivio ne bi ni umro.

ne razumijem

The SFOR troops should all leave Bosnia, we don´t need them anymore. They haven´t done anything for us.

Especially the Turks should leave Bosnia, we don´t want te occupators back. I am not a nationalist nor a patriot, but Turkey has destroyed the medieval Bosnian state and it´s also Turkey´s fault that Bosnians of different religious confessions are divided into Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats. You´ve come to our country and built mosques and bridges, but no infrastructure. You´ve built mosques and bridges, just to let the world know, that you´ve been here...

For me, you´re the same old imperalists like the Austrians or the Hungarians...

The next struggle is, that there are no human rights in Turkey. There are many ethnic minorities, but none of them ever got the right to be what they are and want to be, so the Bosniaks too, who had to take turkish names, like all the others (Jews, Armenians, Greeks, Albanians, Kurds etc.)

You just give them some rights, just because you have to do it to enter the EU. I wonder what Turkey has to do with the EU. You´re even not in Europe. Bosporus is a small part of a great country like Turkey and it doesn´t make you a geographical part of Europe. But that´s not a problem, I am not against your candidature for to enter EU. We all know very good why the West doesn´t want you in the EU. Europe is not only Christian!! I am just talking about geography.

Kemal Mustafa Ataturk is your national hero... hm... history says that he has killed more than 2 million Armenians. Ain´t that war crime?

When will the ethnic minorities get their rights? Especially the Kurds? Stop the terror against the kurdish people. They´ve got their history and they have always been there where they´re now!

cheers

Havoc wrote: ............................... I wonder what Turkey has to do with the EU. You´re even not in Europe. Bosporus is a small part of a great country like Turkey and it doesn´t make you a geographical part of Europe
..................cheers

and i wonder about if u have any knowledge about geographical positon of Cyprus? and i really wonder if u know anything about their membership of EU.

Havoc wrote: ..............
When will the ethnic minorities get their rights? Especially the Kurds? Stop the terror against the kurdish people. They´ve got their history and they have always been there where they´re now!

cheers

I think u have to know about "what is PKK and KADEK-KONGRA GEL", and who are Kurds ?
Would you let a group of people to settle in and have your lands ? would give? please first learn the truths...
http://www.sarajevo-x.com/forum/viewtop ... 0532#90532

hAVOC WHAT THREE PEOPLE

lEARN MORE HISTORY BRO, TURKS SETLED ORTHODOX VLACHS ON OUR LAND, IT WAS COUNTRY OF BOGUMILS ONE NATION AND CATHOLIC BOSNIANS

NOT ''THREE''

BUT MORE AND MORE I THINK, YOU EITHER DONT KNOW THAT, OR THAT YOU LEARNED ''OTHER HISTORY''

A ovi bogumili su vjerovatno bili prirodno naklonjeni islamu, jelde?

Pa nisu ali bar su vjerovali u boga a ne sveto trojstvo!!!!!!!!!

Ali to je za religije

Mogu ti pricati od Khana KRUMA pa do hereze 1054, , 4 latinske, hocemo li pokrstavanje Cazinske krajine, Cazinska buna, pitaj sve znam

hocemo li o Stjepanu Drzislavu ili Mateju Ninoslavu?
Dusanu ili Tvrtku?

Istanbul wrote:

Havoc wrote: ............................... I wonder what Turkey has to do with the EU. You´re even not in Europe. Bosporus is a small part of a great country like Turkey and it doesn´t make you a geographical part of Europe
..................cheers

and i wonder about if u have any knowledge about geographical positon of Cyprus? and i really wonder if u know anything about their membership of EU.

Havoc wrote: ..............
When will the ethnic minorities get their rights? Especially the Kurds? Stop the terror against the kurdish people. They´ve got their history and they have always been there where they´re now!

cheers

I think u have to know about "what is PKK and KADEK-KONGRA GEL", and who are Kurds ?
Would you let a group of people to settle in and have your lands ? would give? please first learn the truths...
http://www.sarajevo-x.com/forum/viewtop ... 0532#90532

I know that Cyprus doesn´t belong to Europe. If it´s Europe, then Lebanon and Syria also belong to Europe

The Kurds have been there before the Turks conquered todays Turkey. They should get their state in 16th century but your expansion stopped it. The PKK is a leftist organization and I know that it´s a terror organization but they got no other option to defend themselves from the turkish fascists.

I´d rather vote PKK than some shitheads called MHP.

violentjack wrote:hAVOC WHAT THREE PEOPLE

lEARN MORE HISTORY BRO, TURKS SETLED ORTHODOX VLACHS ON OUR LAND, IT WAS COUNTRY OF BOGUMILS ONE NATION AND CATHOLIC BOSNIANS

NOT ''THREE''

BUT MORE AND MORE I THINK, YOU EITHER DONT KNOW THAT, OR THAT YOU LEARNED ''OTHER HISTORY''

And it´s true that Turks brought us orthodox Wallachs, so we have a fascist blentitity called Republic of Srpska. It´s also Turkeys fault that we can´t find peace for centuries.

I jos nesto Violentjack. Molim te, nemoj stare Bosnjane koji su sebe zvali Krstjanima nazivati Bogumilima. Bogumilski pokret je bio u Bugarskoj, kod nas smatraju da je ta vrsta vjere dosla preko Bugarske na zapadni Balkan, ali Bosna je imala svoju verziju, zato zaboravi Bogumile.

Krstjani su odbijali crkve, krstove i ikone. Nisu jeli meso i bili su protiv materijalizma. Bogu su se molili u tzv. Hizama. Slobodan dan im je bio Petak, pa zato je ta paralela olaksala prelazak Bosnjana na Islam.

Sto se tice tog petka, on nije izvorno slobodni dan kod muslimana, nego su to muslimani preuzeli od raznih istocnjackih vjera, kao onih mezopotamskih. Smatra se da je i ucenje Crkve bosanske mnogo preuzelo od Mezopotamaca.

Eto toliko o tome

Malo o Turskoj kroz objektiv fotografa:

http://www.moradam.com/moradam.htm

jos nesto Violentjack. Molim te, nemoj stare Bosnjane koji su sebe zvali Krstjanima nazivati Bogumilima. Bogumilski pokret je bio u Bugarskoj, kod nas smatraju da je ta vrsta vjere dosla preko Bugarske na zapadni Balkan, ali Bosna je imala svoju verziju, zato zaboravi Bogumile.

Hm, da bogumilski pokret je dosao u Bosnu za vrijeme Simuena Bugarskog cara 893-927 , ali da te ne zamaram sa tim


Bogumilima ili patarenima su i nazivani od PIUSA tadasnjeg pape, koji nije volio samostalnu Bosansku crkvu

Iako se slazem da su bili kristijani, vjerovali su u kristijanske obicaje, ali ne sve kao npr u Rimu