Otrov u Koka-koli Light

[_sa_]

e sto ti je kulturan svijet, fino te upozore a ne k'o ovi nasi
pa zna se da cola razara organizam, bila light ili ne

[mobsterc]

ova to radi na light nacin

[trinaesti]

i kinin je otrov imam ga u schweppesu bitter lemon.

i nikotin je otrov pa ga milioni redovno vuku u pluca.

i sta sad.

[trinaesti]

pa i nikotin je otrov koji ubija pa ga milioni uvlace puseci.
i kinina ima u schweppes bitter lemonu pa sta.

[mobsterc]

jos jedna formulacija?
nista sad, covjek se iznenadio pa htio da podjeli s rajom

[kub lajkan]

Ako ima neko ko pije kolu light savjetujem mu da odmah prestane. Prije par dana dosla mi je u ruke konzerva kole light koje se prodaje u US i nisam mogao vjerovati sta pise - citiram: "Ovaj proizvod koristite na sopstvenu odgovornost. U ovom proizvodu se nalazi saharin, za koji je dokazano da uzrokuje rak kod laboratorijskih zivotinja." Pa nisu normalni!

Ma može se dobiti samo karcinomčić... ništa naročito...

[Shoshana]

Cekaj dok ti kola zero dodje pod ruke

Kada istu kupis u USA, u njoj nema sodium cyclamata jer su u USA zabranjeni. Ali, se drugim zemljama isti - uredno serviraju (Slicno je i sa Twin secerom...)

Dalje, u koli Zero imas aspartam - za koji smo valjda svi naucili da je stetan...

A jednom sam, trazeci nesto za posao, naisla na detaljan proces pravljenja djusa od narandze (onaj sto na njemu pise 'od koncentrata') - sta da vam kazem, pulp se pere u acetonu da bi se izgubio neugodni okus narandzinih kospica

Ili konzumiraj ono sto ti se svidja i tjesi se cinjenicom da ces bar umrijeti zadovoljan, ili kupi farmicu i vocnjak, bar ce ti djeca znati da pile ne raste u KFC

[surajaa]

Ako ima neko ko pije kolu light savjetujem mu da odmah prestane. Prije par dana dosla mi je u ruke konzerva kole light koje se prodaje u US i nisam mogao vjerovati sta pise - citiram: "Ovaj proizvod koristite na sopstvenu odgovornost. U ovom proizvodu se nalazi saharin, za koji je dokazano da uzrokuje rak kod laboratorijskih zivotinja." Pa nisu normalni!

Lijepo od tebe sto si podijelio s nama tuzno saznanje, no saharin se nazalost, jos uvijek koristi u nekim prehrambenim i kozmetickim proizvodima, npr. nalazi se u zvakacim gumama (ja znam da ga ima u onim aquafresh, zelena i plava kutija), gaziranim napitcima (sto si ti pomenuo), dzemovima, slasticama, konzerviranom vocu, a velik udio ima i u pastama za zube ...a tamo se valjda koristi da bi iste imale neki slatkast okus prilikom pranja zubi, pih ...

Svojevremeno je internetom kruzio mail u kom se navode sve stetnosti coca cole po ljudski organizam...sjecam se nekih upozorenja...coca colom se otkljanja kamenac i hrdja, ukoliko se uvece potopi komadic mesa u casu coca cole, ujutro ga nece biti, slican slucaj je eksperiment sa zubom, koji ce se istopiti kroz nekoliko dana stajuci u casi coca cole...bilo je jos masa toga, ne mogu se bas svega sjetiti...

Uglavnom, prostim rijecnikom receno...zdrav zivote, vozdra...Koliko god se mi trudili i izbjegavali proizvode u kojem bi se mogli naci sastojci pogubni po zdravlje, nesto ce nas ipak zakaciti bilo u ukusnom dzemu od jagode, zvakacoj gumi ili pasti za zube

[chuchumbamayumbe]

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/diabetes-diet/NU00592http://www.healthcastle.com/sweeteners.shtml
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/aspartame.html

Dobri linkovi za one koji zele da se malo bolje upoznaju sa vrstama vjestackih zasladjivaca, njihovim dobrim, i evntualno losim osobinama.

A evo i kratkog sazetka:

SUMMARY OF HOW ASPARTATE (AND GLUTAMATE) CAUSE DAMAGE
Aspartate and glutamate act as neurotransmitters in the brain by facilitating the transmittion of information from neuron to neuron. Too much aspartate or glutamate in the brain kills certain neurons by allowing the influx of too much calcium into the cells. This influx triggers excessive amounts of free radicals which kill the cells. The neural cell damage that can be caused by excessive aspartate and glutamate is why they are referred to as "excitotoxins." They "excite" or stimulate the neural cells to death.

Aspartic acid is an amino acid. Taken in its free form (unbound to proteins) it significantly raises the blood plasma level of aspartate and glutamate. The excess aspartate and glutamate in the blood plasma shortly after ingesting aspartame or products with free glutamic acid (glutamate precursor) leads to a high level of those neurotransmitters in certain areas of the brain.

The blood brain barrier (BBB) which normally protects the brain from excess glutamate and aspartate as well as toxins 1) is not fully developed during childhood, 2) does not fully protect all areas of the brain, 3) is damaged by numerous chronic and acute conditions, and 4) allows seepage of excess glutamate and aspartate into the brain even when intact.

The excess glutamate and aspartate slowly begin to destroy neurons. The large majority (75%+) of neural cells in a particular area of the brain are killed before any clinical symptoms of a chronic illness are noticed. A few of the many chronic illnesses that have been shown to be contributed to by long-term exposure excitatory amino acid damage include:

Multiple sclerosis (MS), ALS, memory loss, hormonal problems, hearing loss, epilepsy, Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, hypoglycemia, AIDS dementia, brain lessions, and neuroendocrine disorders.

The risk to infants, children, pregnant women, the elderly, and persons with certain chronic health problems from excitotoxins are great. Even the Federation of American Societies For Experimental Biology (FASEB), which usually understates problems and mimmicks the FDA party-line, recently stated in a review that "it is prudent to avoid the use of dietary supplements of L-glutamic acid by pregnant women, infants, and children. The Existence of evidence of potential endocrine responses, i.e., elevated cortisol and prolactin, and differential responses between males and females, would also suggest a neuroendocrine link and that supplemental L-glutamic acid should be avoided by women of childbearing age and individuals with affective disorders."(4) Aspartic acid from aspartame has the same deleterious effects on the body as glutamic acid.

The exact mechanism of acute reactions to excess free glutamate and aspartate is currently being debated. As reported to the FDA, those reactions include:(5)
Headaches/migraines, nausea, abdominal pains, fatigue (blocks sufficient glucose entry into brain), sleep problems, vision problems, anxiety attacks, depression, and asthma/chest tightness.

One common complaint of persons suffering from the effect of aspartame is memory loss. Ironically, in 1987, G.D. Searle, the manufacturer of aspartame, undertook a search for a drug to combat memory loss caused by excititory amino acid damage. Blaylock is one of many scientists and physicians who are concerned about excititory amino acid damage caused by ingestion of aspartame and MSG. A few of the many experts who have spoken out against the damage being caused by aspartate and glutamate include Adrienne Samuels, Ph.D., an experimental psychologist specializing in research design. Another is Olney, a professor in the department of psychiatry, School of Medicine, Washington University, a neuroscientist and researcher, and one of the world's foremost authorities on excitotoxins. (He informed Searle in 1971 that aspartic acid caused holes in the brain of mice.) Also included is Francis J. Waickman, M.D., a recipient of the Rinkel and Forman Awards, and Board certified in Pediatrics, Allergy, and Immunology.

Other concerned scientists include: John R. Hain, M.D., Board Certified Forensic Pathologist, and H.J. Roberts, M.D., FACP, FCCP, Diabetic Specialist, and selected by a national medical publication as "The Best Doctor in the US"

John Samuels is concerned, also. He compiled a list of scientific research sufficient to show the dangers of ingesting excess free glutamic and aspartic acid.

And there are many more who can be added to this long list.

PHENYLALANINE (50% OF ASPARTAME)
Phenylalanine is an amino acid normally found in the brain. Persons with the genetic disorder, phenylketonuria (PKU) cannot metabolize phenylalanine. This leads to dangerously high levels of phenylalanine in the brain (sometimes lethal). It has been shown that ingesting aspartame, especially along with carbohydrates can lead to excess levels of phenylalanine in the brain even in persons who do not have PKU. This is not just a theory, as many people who have eaten large amounts of aspartame over a long period of time and do not have PKU have been shown to have excessive levels of phenylalanine in the blood. Excessive levels of phenylalanine in the brain can cause the levels of seratonin in the brain to decrease, leading to emotional disorders such as depression. It was shown in human testing that phenylalanine levels of the blood were increased significantly in human subjects who chronically used aspartame.(6) Even a single use of aspartame raised the blood phenylalanine levels. In his testimony before the US Congress, Dr Louis J. Elsas showed that high blood phenylalanine can be concentrated in parts of the brain, and is especially dangerous for infants and fetuses. He also showed that phenylalanine is metabolised much more effeciently by rodents than by humans.(7)

One account of a case of extremely high phenylalanine levels caused by aspartame was recently published the the "Wednesday Journal" in an article entitled "An Aspartame Nightmare." John Cook began drinking 6 to 8 diet drinks every day. His symptoms started out as memory loss and frequent headaches. He began to crave more aspartame-sweetened drinks. His condition deteriorated so much that he experienced wide mood swings and violent rages. Even though he did not suffer from PKU, a blood test revealed a phenylalanine level of 80 mg/dl. He also showed abnormal brain function and brain damage. After he kicked his aspartame habit, his symptoms improved dramatically.(8)

As Blaylock points out in his book, early studies measuring phenylalanine buildup in the brain were flawed. Investigators who measured specific brain regions and not the average throughout the brain notice significant rises in phenylalanine levels. Specifically the hypothalamus, medulla oblongata, and corpus striatum areas of the brain had the largest increases in phenylalanine. Blaylock goes on to point out that excessive buildup of phenylalanine in the brain can cause schizophrenia or make one more susceptible to seizures.

Therefore, long-term, excessive use of aspartame may provided a boost to sales of seratonin reuptake inhibitors such as Prozac and drugs to control schizophrenia and seizures.

METHANOL (AKA WOOD ALCOHOL/POISON) (10% OF ASPARTAME)
Methanol/wood alcohol is a deadly poison. Some people may remember methanol as the poison that has caused some "skid row" alcoholics to end up blind or dead. Methanol is gradually released in the small intestine when the methyl group of aspartame encounter the enzyme chymotrypsin.

The absorption of methanol into the body is sped up considerably when free methanol is ingested. Free methanol is created from aspartame when it is heated to above 86 Fahrenheit (30 Centigrade). This would occur when aspartame-containing product is improperly stored or when it is heated (e.g., as part of a "food" product such as Jello).

Methanol breaks down into formic acid and formaldehyde in the body. Formaldehyde is a deadly neurotoxin. An EPA assessment of methanol states that methanol "is considered a cumulative poison due to the low rate of excretion once it is absorbed. In the body, methanol is oxidized to formaldehyde and formic acid; both of these metabolites are toxic." The recommend a limit of consumption of 7.8 mg/day. A one-liter (approx. 1 quart) aspartame-sweetened beverage contains about 56 mg of methanol. Heavy users of aspartame-containing products consume as much as 250 mg of methanol daily or 32 times the EPA limit.(9)

Symptoms from methanol poisoning include headaches, ear buzzing, dizziness, nausea, gastrointestinal disturbances, weakness, vertigo, chills, memory lapses, numbness and shooting pains in the extremities, behavioral disturbances, and neuritis. The most well knowm problems from methanol poisoning are vision problems including misty vision, progressive contraction of visual fields, blurring of vision, obscuration of vision, retinal damage, and blindness. Formaldehye is a known carcinogen, causes retinal damage, interferes with DNA replication, causes birth defects.(10) Due to the lack of a couple of key enzymes, humans are many times more sensitive to the toxic effects of methanol than animals. Therefore, tests of aspartame or methanol on animals do not accurately reflect the danger for humans. As pointed out by Dr Woodrow C. Monte, Director of the Food Science and Nutrition Laboratory at Arizona State University, "There are no human or mammalian studies to evaluate the possible mutagenic, teratogenic, or carcinogenic effects of chronic administration of methyl alcohol."(11)

He was so concerned about the unresolved safety issues that he filed suit with the FDA requesting a hearing to address these issues. He asked the FDA to "slow down on this soft drink issue long enough to answer some of the important questions. It's not fair that you are leaving the full burden of proof on the few of us who are concerned and have such limited resources. You must remember that you are the American public's last defense. Once you allow usage (of aspartame) there is literally nothing I or my colleagues can do to reverse the course. Aspartame will then join saccharin, the sulfiting agents, and God knows how many other questionable compounds enjoined to insult the human constitution with governmental approval."(10) Shortly thereafter, the Commissioner of the FDA, Arthur Hull Hayes, Jr., approved the use of aspartame in carbonated beverages, he then left for a position with G.D. Searle's Public Relations firm.(11)

It has been pointed out that some fruit juices and alcoholic beverages contain small amounts of methanol. It is important to remember, however, that methanol never appears alone. In every case, ethanol is present, usually in much higher amounts. Ethanol is an antidote for methanol toxicity in humans.(9) The troops of Desert Storm were "treated" to large amounts of aspartame-sweetened beverages which had been heated to over 86 degrees F. in the Saudi Arabian sun. Many of them returned home with numerous disorders similar to what has been seen in persons who have been chemically poisoned by formaldehyde. The free methanol in the beverages may have been a contributing factor in these illnesses. Other breakdown products of aspartame such as DKP (discussed below) may also have been a factor.

In a 1993 act that can only be described as "unconscionable," the FDA approved aspartame as an ingredient in numerous food items that would always be heated to above 86 degrees F (30 degrees C).

DIKETOPIPERAZINE (DKP)DKP is a by-product of aspartame metabolism. DKP has been implicated in the occurance of brain tumors. Olney noticed that DKP, when nitrosated in the gut, produced a compound which was similar to N-nitrosourea, a powerful brain tumor causing chemical. Some authors have said that DKP is produced after aspartame ingestion. I am not sure if that is correct. It is definately true that DKP is formed in liquid aspartame-containing products during prolonged storage.

G.D. Searle conducted animal experiments on the safety of DKP. The FDA found numerous experimental errors occured, including "clerical errors, mixed-up animals, animals not getting drugs they were supposed to get, pathological specimens lost because of improper handling," and many other errors.(12) These sloppy laboratory procedures may explain why both the test and control animals had sixteen times more brain tumors than would be expected in experiments of this length. In an ironic twist, shortly after these experimental errors were discovered, the FDA used guidelines recommened by G.D. Searle to devlop the Industry-wide FDA standards for Good Laboratory Practies.(11) DKP has also been implicated as a cause of uterine polyps and changes in blood cholesterol by FDA Toxicologist Dr Jacqueline Verrett in her testimony before the US Senate.(13)

[xon_sa]

Ma bezveze. Kad bi se iz prehrane izbacile bas sve materije koje bi nam mogle biti stetne onda bi vjerovatno umrli od gladi. Uravnotezena ishrana je pravi put. Nema te namirnice koja u vecim kolicinama nece biti stetna. Prosle godine je bio slucaj kad je jedna osoba umrla od prevelike kolicine vode.

Posebno su mi smijesni ovi "eksperimenti" sa stavljanjem zuba u coca cola-u. Probajte staviti zub u iscjedjeni limunov sok i sl. Naravno da vas zub nece nikada prenociti u coca coli jer ga obicno ne vadite pred spavanje

[sabanss]

i kinin je otrov imam ga u schweppesu bitter lemon.

Zar se kinin ne koristi kao lijek protiv malarije?

[mobsterc]

Ma bezveze. Kad bi se iz prehrane izbacile bas sve materije koje bi nam mogle biti stetne onda bi vjerovatno umrli od gladi. Uravnotezena ishrana je pravi put. Nema te namirnice koja u vecim kolicinama nece biti stetna. Prosle godine je bio slucaj kad je jedna osoba umrla od prevelike kolicine vode.

Posebno su mi smijesni ovi "eksperimenti" sa stavljanjem zuba u coca cola-u. Probajte staviti zub u iscjedjeni limunov sok i sl. Naravno da vas zub nece nikada prenociti u coca coli jer ga obicno ne vadite pred spavanje

to sa zubom je samo pokazatelj da je cola u stanju razgraditi nesto sto moze da ostane citavo u zemlji milion godina

[xon_sa]

Ma bezveze. Kad bi se iz prehrane izbacile bas sve materije koje bi nam mogle biti stetne onda bi vjerovatno umrli od gladi. Uravnotezena ishrana je pravi put. Nema te namirnice koja u vecim kolicinama nece biti stetna. Prosle godine je bio slucaj kad je jedna osoba umrla od prevelike kolicine vode.

Posebno su mi smijesni ovi "eksperimenti" sa stavljanjem zuba u coca cola-u. Probajte staviti zub u iscjedjeni limunov sok i sl. Naravno da vas zub nece nikada prenociti u coca coli jer ga obicno ne vadite pred spavanje

to sa zubom je samo pokazatelj da je cola u stanju razgraditi nesto sto moze da ostane citavo u zemlji milion godina

Kao i stotine drugih namirnica koje svakodnevno unosimo u organizam, a smatramo ih zdravim.

[mobsterc]

Ma bezveze. Kad bi se iz prehrane izbacile bas sve materije koje bi nam mogle biti stetne onda bi vjerovatno umrli od gladi. Uravnotezena ishrana je pravi put. Nema te namirnice koja u vecim kolicinama nece biti stetna. Prosle godine je bio slucaj kad je jedna osoba umrla od prevelike kolicine vode.

Posebno su mi smijesni ovi "eksperimenti" sa stavljanjem zuba u coca cola-u. Probajte staviti zub u iscjedjeni limunov sok i sl. Naravno da vas zub nece nikada prenociti u coca coli jer ga obicno ne vadite pred spavanje

to sa zubom je samo pokazatelj da je cola u stanju razgraditi nesto sto moze da ostane citavo u zemlji milion godina

Kao i stotine drugih namirnica koje svakodnevno unosimo u organizam, a smatramo ih zdravim.

ajde mi nabroji koju pa da isprobam
javljam vam rezultate

[xon_sa]

to sa zubom je samo pokazatelj da je cola u stanju razgraditi nesto sto moze da ostane citavo u zemlji milion godina

Kao i stotine drugih namirnica koje svakodnevno unosimo u organizam, a smatramo ih zdravim.

ajde mi nabroji koju pa da isprobam
javljam vam rezultate

Limun, lubenica, so, secer, sirce, vino, pivo, ribe itd.

[The Nightwatchman]

i kinin je otrov imam ga u schweppesu bitter lemon.

i nikotin je otrov pa ga milioni redovno vuku u pluca.

i sta sad.

kinin nije otrov

[luciferino]

Ama svjestan sam ja svega toga, ali me je sokirala otvorenost sa kojom se to radi. Sta cete sa ovim saznanjem (novim ili starim, svejedno) do vas je.

Otvoreni su jer time štite sebe. Ako neko konzumira proizvod i oboli, nema pravo na tužbu. Oni će jednostavno reći: "Konzumirali ste proizvod na vlastiti rizik. Mi smo vas upozorili".

[_Jenny_]

ok,znam da su sva umjetna sladila stetna pa tako i saharin koji je zapravo saharin-natrij (jer cisti saharin nije topiv ni u cemu)...No,sad mi se vrti pitanje:Zasto ga onda doktori preporucuju osobama oboljelima od dijabetesa?!?!(od danas u mojoj ljekarni saharin+ nesto za jacanje imuniteta da ne biste dobili neki karcinomic i to sve po povoljnoj cijeni-sala )
Ja znam da ukolko imate zaista tvrdokorne mrlje kamenca koje ne znate s cim odstraniti-pospite Coca-colom i ostavite stajat malo i rijesit cete ih se...
Djeluje,zaista :D:D

[Bea_Trix]

znaci, otrov je u coca coli light super, otkad ga trazim, svi ostali su preskupi :D:D

[Dirty Harry]

Bilo na Mythbustersima, ispostavilo se kao netačno ... naravno.

Sorry Dawn, moraćeš još da tražiš



edit: mislim na ovo sa zubom u Coli, čak ni meso nije razgrađeno ...

[Skyfox]

i nisam mogao vjerovati sta pise - citiram: "Ovaj proizvod koristite na sopstvenu odgovornost.

Isto ti pise i na cigarama... treba se paziti namirnica na kojima nema upozorenja, tipa GMO hrane, da ne govorim o pesticidima i inim kiselinama kojima spricaju sve voce i povrce koje imas na stolu...

[Skyfox]

Bilo na Mythbustersima, ispostavlo se kao netačno ... naravno.

edit: mislim na ovo sa zubom u Coli, čak ni meso nije razgrađeno ...

Naravno da je netacno, kad bi razgradila zub preko noci sta bi tek bilo sa unutrasnjosti zaludca...

[branimir_s]

... i žene su otrov pa nikom nista...

[_Jenny_]

Eh,brane.....To te ne ubija u velkim kolicinama,a reci to za Colu....

[Bea_Trix]

Bilo na Mythbustersima, ispostavilo se kao netačno ... naravno.

Sorry Dawn, moraćeš još da tražiš



edit: mislim na ovo sa zubom u Coli, čak ni meso nije razgrađeno ...

k vragu, ne moze se covjek ni povoljno otrovati danas... :D:D