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#1 Marija i Aldin

Posted: 02/03/2006 09:08
by Prenj

BBC NEWS
Sarajevo finds love after the war
By Neil Arun
BBC News, Sarajevo

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On Marija's first visit to Sarajevo, Aldin Arnautovic made sure she stopped for a sip of water at the Gazi Husref-Bey mosque.

According to legend, whoever drinks from the fountain in the 16th Century Ottoman mosque will, one day, return to Sarajevo.

The legend worked. Marija, a young woman from a Montenegrin Orthodox Christian family, now lives in the city with Aldin and their eight-month-old baby, Fedja.

Aldin's family are Muslims who stayed in Sarajevo while soldiers from the Orthodox Bosnian Serb community besieged it in the early 1990s, killing some 11,000 people.

But, he says, his family never objected to his love for Marija.

Ten years after the siege ended, young people like Aldin and Marija still see Sarajevo as the cosmopolitan capital of the Balkans - a place where ethnic background is no barrier to falling in love.

"I begged her to marry me on the first night we met," Aldin laughs. "And she made me wait three years before saying yes."

Unrest and romance

Marija recalls the early days of their love affair. Both journalists, they met while reporting on the Bosnian elections in 2000.

"I felt a terrible sadness when I first came to Sarajevo," she says.

"I was a member of a state that had waged war on this city. I would've understood if people were angry at me. But they treated me decently - that was perhaps the saddest thing of all."

After the elections, Marija returned to Montenegro and the couple kept their relationship alive by visiting each other on weekends.

Aldin recalls collecting Marija from a bus station in Sarajevo's Serb-dominated suburb of Dobrinja, amid unrest in 2000 over who controlled the area.

"There were armed men standing by burning barricades," he says. "It was with nights like that that the war started."

"As I drove past a barricade, I was scared Marija might be hit by a bullet or a rock, so I told her to keep her head down," says Aldin.

Marija smiles at the memory. "I thought at the time - how romantic!"

Symbolic plight

Until the inter-ethnic wars that ripped Yugoslavia apart more than a decade ago, mixed relationships were widespread in Sarajevo.

The early days of the siege gave the tale of one such couple a tragic twist.

Bosko Brckic and Admira Ismic had been together since high school. He was a Serb, she was a Muslim and they died in each other's arms in May 1993, gunned down in no-man's-land as they tried to flee the city.

A reporter for the Reuters news agency, Kurt Schork, took up the story and Sarajevo's Romeo and Juliet became known to the wider world as symbols of the city's plight.

Schork was killed on assignment in Sierra Leone in 2000 and was posthumously honoured with a Bosnian passport and a street bearing his name in Sarajevo.

Courtship rituals

In today's Sarajevo, couples who find love across the ethnic divide do not regard themselves as martyrs or rebels. They believe they have inherited a tradition of the city that long predates its war.

"There is nothing unique or unusual in what we are doing," Aldin says, shrugging nonchalantly.

Casim Dervisevic agrees. A Bosnian Muslim, he was married in 2003 to Masha, herself born in a mixed marriage.

Masha's mother is Bosnian Muslim, her father half-Catholic, half-Orthodox. Her parents stayed in the city throughout the war, despite coming under pressure from both sides, Bosnian Muslim and Serb, to leave.

The courtship of Casim and Masha was enacted through text messages and chance encounters at techno parties, following a path familiar to many of their contemporaries in Western Europe.

"She kept resisting my advances," Casim recalls, laughing. "But I had managed to get her phone number, so I started pestering her with text messages while she sat next to me at a party."

Fears for the future

Aldin and Marija believe they were lucky to have grown up in the same country.

"We are the last generation to have finished secondary school in socialist Yugoslavia," Aldin says. "We hope we are not the last generation in a relationship of this kind."

He fears the younger, post-war generation may be more nationalistic - it has no memory of a multi-ethnic society.

"We called our boy Fedja because it's like a nickname. It means he could be anything - Bosnian, Serb or Croatian. We didn't want him to be marked by his name."

Smiling wryly, he says: "I guess it was a practical decision. People here have a strange habit of killing each other because of their names."

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/e ... 746082.stm

Published: 2006/02/28 10:39:58 GMT

© BBC MMVI
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#2

Posted: 02/03/2006 09:10
by manijak1
:oops: :D Poruka je ..........ljubav nema :D prepreka ? :D

#3

Posted: 02/03/2006 09:15
by Lace
pepa prica :)

#4

Posted: 02/03/2006 09:36
by Prenj
Da, "pepa prica".
Koliko su mjesoviti brakovi "dobrodosli" u danasnjem Sarajevu?

#5

Posted: 02/03/2006 09:50
by manijak1
:oops: Mislim da iza tvog pitanja :D stoji dnevna politika :oops: ali kad već pitaš to je stvar pojedinca tj. parova .
I šta znači dobrodošli ? :D Da se vjenčavaju zbog drugih ili zbog sebe :? :D

#6

Posted: 02/03/2006 09:55
by Vingo
Osipam se......Osipam se i od lijepih i od ruznih prica o mjesanim brakovima....Osipam se od rijeci mijesani brak....Osipam se jer je 2006....a bbc pravi feature od toga jer je on Aldin, a ona Marija....
(Kako li se tek Dzemo osipa, ali iz posve drugih razloga...)


Aldine dragi sto ti je trebalo da objasnjavas nekome zasto se beba zove Fedja i zasto si ti ozenio Mariju i sta je rekla tvoja porodica ....Sta dokazujemo? Kome se pravdamo i zasto....?

"There is nothing unique or unusual in what we are doing," Aldin says, shrugging nonchalantly
nothing unique, al dovoljno unique da bbc napravi pricu....
Fakat mi nije dobro.

#7

Posted: 02/03/2006 10:02
by mIRCerka
Vingo wrote:Osipam se......Osipam se i od lijepih i od ruznih prica o mjesanim brakovima....Osipam se od rijeci mijesani brak....Osipam se jer je 2006....a bbc pravi feature od toga jer je on Aldin, a ona Marija....
(Kako li se tek Dzemo osipa, ali iz posve drugih razloga...)


Aldine dragi sto ti je trebalo da objasnjavas nekome zasto se beba zove Fedja i zasto si ti ozenio Mariju i sta je rekla tvoja porodica ....Sta dokazujemo? Kome se pravdamo i zasto....?

"There is nothing unique or unusual in what we are doing," Aldin says, shrugging nonchalantly
nothing unique, al dovoljno unique da bbc napravi pricu....
Fakat mi nije dobro.
ja se ne osipam od toga, vec se osipam od cinjenica da MZ mora takve stvari naglasavati...ispade njih 4 izmislili MJESOVITI BRAK. Po meni je svaki brak mjesovit - tata musko mama zensko. Covjece, pocinju naglasavati stvari koje su potpuno normalne.
katastrofa....

#8

Posted: 02/03/2006 10:08
by Lace
kad smo kod hodza i popova...pade mi na pamet nesto...prezime popovic ima isto znacenje kao i prezime imamovic :D

#9

Posted: 02/03/2006 10:16
by Vingo
valjda hodzic .....

#10

Posted: 02/03/2006 10:18
by Lace
Vingo wrote:valjda hodzic .....
imam je isto sto i hodza...cini mi se :D

#11

Posted: 02/03/2006 10:23
by Vingo
seka wrote:
Vingo wrote:Osipam se......Osipam se i od lijepih i od ruznih prica o mjesanim brakovima....Osipam se od rijeci mijesani brak....Osipam se jer je 2006....a bbc pravi feature od toga jer je on Aldin, a ona Marija....
(Kako li se tek Dzemo osipa, ali iz posve drugih razloga...)
ne osipam se.

prica koja je objavljena pokazuje da nije samo dzemino.
E vidis ja se osipam od toga da tebi treba prica bbc-a da ti to pokaze....

#12

Posted: 02/03/2006 10:24
by Vingo
Lace wrote:
Vingo wrote:valjda hodzic .....
imam je isto sto i hodza...cini mi se :D

Sto bi reko Rambo....Nema vise staroga Imama.... :D

#13

Posted: 02/03/2006 10:32
by DonDavudes
Vingo wrote:Osipam se......Osipam se i od lijepih i od ruznih prica o mjesanim brakovima....Osipam se od rijeci mijesani brak....Osipam se jer je 2006....a bbc pravi feature od toga jer je on Aldin, a ona Marija....
(Kako li se tek Dzemo osipa, ali iz posve drugih razloga...)


Aldine dragi sto ti je trebalo da objasnjavas nekome zasto se beba zove Fedja i zasto si ti ozenio Mariju i sta je rekla tvoja porodica ....Sta dokazujemo? Kome se pravdamo i zasto....?

"There is nothing unique or unusual in what we are doing," Aldin says, shrugging nonchalantly
nothing unique, al dovoljno unique da bbc napravi pricu....
Fakat mi nije dobro.
tacno!
:oops:
to je intimna ljubavna stvar, a ne stvar naciopnalnog konsenzusa ili politickih interesa :x

mjesovite brakove niti treba (kao u komunizmu) propagirati, niti ih treba razapinjati na krst (kao dzemo i ini)
ako se ljudi vole nek se uzmu i tacka! :oops:

#14

Posted: 02/03/2006 10:39
by mIRCerka
ljude treba ostaviti na miru...
sramotno je da dva mlada bracna para predstave kao neku manjinu, abuzenze...
niti su oni izmislili tu instituciju, niti to moze nestati.
Ono sto je bitno, a mogu to reci za Mashu i Hazima, je da su ljudi i da se medjusobno vole i postuju. da su bogdom svi brakovi ko njihov...

A ko se kako zove i kako im se djeca zovu, to je nebitno.
za aldina i mariju mogu im samo reci da su glupi sto se svima pravdaju sto im se sin zove Fedja a ne Husnija ili Petar.

aBd, izboricemo se mi protiv Dzeme (ta djeca su frustrirana) i ef.Spahica(silovana zena je bolna rana, ali vise bole mjesoviti brakovi i djeca izrodjena u njima)....

#15

Posted: 02/03/2006 10:39
by car-x
meni neki dan frendica na chatu, puna ushicenja, poslala linka na ovaj clanak.. ja vidio o cemu se radi i zatvorio pendzer..

trebamo registrovat patent na "mijesani brak"..

koje gluposti..

#16

Posted: 02/03/2006 11:24
by teletrader
Vingo wrote:Osipam se......Osipam se i od lijepih i od ruznih prica o mjesanim brakovima....Osipam se od rijeci mijesani brak....Osipam se jer je 2006....a bbc pravi feature od toga jer je on Aldin, a ona Marija....
(Kako li se tek Dzemo osipa, ali iz posve drugih razloga...)


Aldine dragi sto ti je trebalo da objasnjavas nekome zasto se beba zove Fedja i zasto si ti ozenio Mariju i sta je rekla tvoja porodica ....Sta dokazujemo? Kome se pravdamo i zasto....?

"There is nothing unique or unusual in what we are doing," Aldin says, shrugging nonchalantly
nothing unique, al dovoljno unique da bbc napravi pricu....
Fakat mi nije dobro.
Kontam nesto:
Da je neki Bosanac,a uz to jos i Bosnjak,doveo recimo Somalijku u Sarajevo i tu se ozhenio sa njom,da li bi to bilo dovoljno da BBC napravi reportazhu o tome? Takvu stvar je uradio vjenchani kum mojih roditelja i to davne '78 i o njemu niti su izvjestavale lokalne novine a ni BBC.
Onda sam nedavno cuo pricu o nekom momku koji je u sarajevskom
UNHCR-u uzpoznao japanku i njome se ozhenio.To je sve bilo prije par mjeseci...
Da li mozhete procitati takve price po novinama?Ne mozhete..
Radi se jednostavno o tome sto je Ajdin musliman koji je ozhenio ortodoxnu krscanku i kao takav odgovara evropskom "nemamo nista protiv vas sve dok se ponasate onako kako nama odgovara"...
A Ajdinu svaka cast,od toliko prelijepih Sarajki kojima je okruzhen,on nasao Monetenegrinu..

#17

Posted: 02/03/2006 11:45
by Vingo
Koji si ti ograniceni papak teletrader...
Al bar si odgovorio na pitanje koje je postavio Prenj...

#18

Posted: 02/03/2006 11:50
by Prenj
Vingo wrote:Koji si ti ograniceni papak teletrader...
Al bar si odgovorio na pitanje koje je postavio Prenj...
"Ne pada snijeg da pokrije brijeg, vec ..."

#19

Posted: 02/03/2006 11:51
by manijak1
.........da pokrije stijeg ? :D