Nezavisno Kosovo - i Rusija aminovala!!

The_Fluid · Post by **The_Fluid** » 25/10/2005 21:25

Kosovo sets out on road to independence

By Tim Judah
Published: 24 October 2005

The United Nations Security Council convenes at 10am today. By lunchtime, it is expected to have made a momentous decision, that could lead to the birth of a new state in Europe.

The 15-member council is to recommend that talks on the future status of Kosovo, a territory contested between Serbs and the majority ethnic Albanians, begin as soon as possible.

Meeting in Rome last Thursday, diplomats from the main Western countries that deal with the former Yugoslavia, plus Russia agreed on what will happen today so as to make sure that there are no late hitches.

Ever since the end of the Kosovo war in 1999 the territory has been under the jurisdiction of the UN, although legally it remains a part of Serbia. The process, which will begin today, is expected to end Serbia's sovereignty over Kosovo.

The council will be addressed by Kai Eide, the Norwegian diplomat who drew up the report on Kosovo. Within days of the meeting, Kofi Annan, the UN Secretary General is set to appoint Martti Ahtisaari, the former Finnish president to lead talks.

After a period of shuttle diplomacy he is expected to draw up a draft plan for the future of the territory that will propose what is known as "conditional independence". It means that Kosovo will no longer be part of Serbia but its independence will, for a transitional period, be curtailed, rather like that of Bosnia where policy is shaped by a high level representative of the international community.

While Serbia will resist the ending of its sovereignty over Kosovo, diplomats say that Russia, on whom the Serbian leadership was hoping for support, has already betrayed it.

In 1999, Nato mounted a 78-day bombing campaign against what was then still known as Yugoslavia. The bombing came after talks failed to produce a settlement between Serbs and separatist Albanian guerrillas.

Ever since, Kosovo has been run by the UN although progressively power has been transferred to its own elected authorities. Some 100,000 Serbs remain in Kosovo out of a total population of 2 million, more than 90 per cent of whom are ethnic Albanians who have consistently shown that they want independence.

Most of those Serbs who remain, live in enclaves some of which have to be protected by Nato-led peacekeepers. In March 2004, ethnic Albanian rioting left 19 dead and some 4,000 Serbs and Roma were ethnically cleansed. In his report, Mr Eide described inter-ethnic relations as "grim".

Serbia will fight a fierce rearguard action to retain sovereignty, if little else, over Kosovo.

Indeed, according to Dusan Batakovic, advisor on Kosovo to Serbian president Boris Tadic: "People think Serbia has given up Kosovo but it is not the case - to the contrary in fact."

Serbia says the Albanians can have virtually anything they want except full independence. Albanians say that everything is negotiable except independence. Indeed a movement is now gathering pace in Kosovo to oppose the coming talks.

It is led by Albin Kurti, a 30-year old former political prisoner who is organising supporters to be ready to take to the streets. He says he is against talks because they aim at compromise and there can be no compromise on the question of independence.

Diplomatic sources believe the talks will last up to nine months, after which the main Western powers will then act to impose "conditional independence" on Kosovo. The Albanians will probably accept that, plus a high level of autonomy for Serbian areas. Serb leaders however, resigned as they may be to the reality of the situation, say they will never formally accept the loss of Kosovo, which they regard as the cradle of their civilisation.

In principle, Kosovo Albanians will be led into talks by Ibrahim Rugova, their president and the best-known symbol of Kosovo.

However Mr Rugova is ill with lung cancer. If he dies or is incapacitated, it is expected to weaken the Albanian negotiating position.

History of a troubled territory

* 1389: Battle of Kosovo heralds 500 years of Turkish Ottoman rule.

* 1918: Collapse of the Ottoman empire; Kosovo absorbed into Serbia.

* 1946: Kosovo absorbed into Yugoslav Federation.

* 1974: Yugoslav constitution recognises Kosovo's right to autonomy.

* 1981: Troops suppress separatist rioting.

* 1987: Future president Slobodan Milosevic rallies a crowd of Kosovo Serbs protesting against Albanian harassment.

* 1989: Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic abolishes autonomy rights.

* 1990: Ethnic Albanian leaders declare independence from Serbia.

* 1992: Academic Ibrahim Rugova, right, elected president of the self-proclaimed republic.

* 1998: Open conflict between Serb police and separatist Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA). Hundreds of thousands of civilians are driven out in Serb military crackdown.

* 1999: Belgrade rejects internationally-brokered peace deal. Nato launches 11 week bombing campaign against Yugoslavia. President Milosevic agrees to withdraw troops from Kosovo. Nato forces deployed.

* 2002: Ibrahim Rugova elected president

* March 2004: 19 people are killed in worst clashes between Serbs and ethnic Albanians since 1999.

* October 2004: President Rugova's Democratic League wins elections.

* October 2005: UN Security Council gives green light for final status talks to begin.

The United Nations Security Council convenes at 10am today. By lunchtime, it is expected to have made a momentous decision, that could lead to the birth of a new state in Europe.

The 15-member council is to recommend that talks on the future status of Kosovo, a territory contested between Serbs and the majority ethnic Albanians, begin as soon as possible.

Meeting in Rome last Thursday, diplomats from the main Western countries that deal with the former Yugoslavia, plus Russia agreed on what will happen today so as to make sure that there are no late hitches.

Ever since the end of the Kosovo war in 1999 the territory has been under the jurisdiction of the UN, although legally it remains a part of Serbia. The process, which will begin today, is expected to end Serbia's sovereignty over Kosovo.

The council will be addressed by Kai Eide, the Norwegian diplomat who drew up the report on Kosovo. Within days of the meeting, Kofi Annan, the UN Secretary General is set to appoint Martti Ahtisaari, the former Finnish president to lead talks.

After a period of shuttle diplomacy he is expected to draw up a draft plan for the future of the territory that will propose what is known as "conditional independence". It means that Kosovo will no longer be part of Serbia but its independence will, for a transitional period, be curtailed, rather like that of Bosnia where policy is shaped by a high level representative of the international community.

While Serbia will resist the ending of its sovereignty over Kosovo, diplomats say that Russia, on whom the Serbian leadership was hoping for support, has already betrayed it.

In 1999, Nato mounted a 78-day bombing campaign against what was then still known as Yugoslavia. The bombing came after talks failed to produce a settlement between Serbs and separatist Albanian guerrillas.

Ever since, Kosovo has been run by the UN although progressively power has been transferred to its own elected authorities. Some 100,000 Serbs remain in Kosovo out of a total population of 2 million, more than 90 per cent of whom are ethnic Albanians who have consistently shown that they want independence.

Most of those Serbs who remain, live in enclaves some of which have to be protected by Nato-led peacekeepers. In March 2004, ethnic Albanian rioting left 19 dead and some 4,000 Serbs and Roma were ethnically cleansed. In his report, Mr Eide described inter-ethnic relations as "grim".

Serbia will fight a fierce rearguard action to retain sovereignty, if little else, over Kosovo.

Indeed, according to Dusan Batakovic, advisor on Kosovo to Serbian president Boris Tadic: "People think Serbia has given up Kosovo but it is not the case - to the contrary in fact."

Serbia says the Albanians can have virtually anything they want except full independence. Albanians say that everything is negotiable except independence. Indeed a movement is now gathering pace in Kosovo to oppose the coming talks.

It is led by Albin Kurti, a 30-year old former political prisoner who is organising supporters to be ready to take to the streets. He says he is against talks because they aim at compromise and there can be no compromise on the question of independence.

Diplomatic sources believe the talks will last up to nine months, after which the main Western powers will then act to impose "conditional independence" on Kosovo. The Albanians will probably accept that, plus a high level of autonomy for Serbian areas. Serb leaders however, resigned as they may be to the reality of the situation, say they will never formally accept the loss of Kosovo, which they regard as the cradle of their civilisation.

In principle, Kosovo Albanians will be led into talks by Ibrahim Rugova, their president and the best-known symbol of Kosovo.

However Mr Rugova is ill with lung cancer. If he dies or is incapacitated, it is expected to weaken the Albanian negotiating position.

History of a troubled territory

* 1389: Battle of Kosovo heralds 500 years of Turkish Ottoman rule.

* 1918: Collapse of the Ottoman empire; Kosovo absorbed into Serbia.

* 1946: Kosovo absorbed into Yugoslav Federation.

* 1974: Yugoslav constitution recognises Kosovo's right to autonomy.

* 1981: Troops suppress separatist rioting.

* 1987: Future president Slobodan Milosevic rallies a crowd of Kosovo Serbs protesting against Albanian harassment.

* 1989: Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic abolishes autonomy rights.

* 1990: Ethnic Albanian leaders declare independence from Serbia.

* 1992: Academic Ibrahim Rugova, right, elected president of the self-proclaimed republic.

* 1998: Open conflict between Serb police and separatist Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA). Hundreds of thousands of civilians are driven out in Serb military crackdown.

* 1999: Belgrade rejects internationally-brokered peace deal. Nato launches 11 week bombing campaign against Yugoslavia. President Milosevic agrees to withdraw troops from Kosovo. Nato forces deployed.

* 2002: Ibrahim Rugova elected president

* March 2004: 19 people are killed in worst clashes between Serbs and ethnic Albanians since 1999.

* October 2004: President Rugova's Democratic League wins elections.

* October 2005: UN Security Council gives green light for final status talks to begin.

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Znaci li ovo da cemo iduce godine dobiti jos jednu novu drzavu na Balkanu?

muha_sa · Post by **muha_sa** » 25/10/2005 21:27

Mogo bi nam ovo i prevest

Prenj · Post by **Prenj** » 25/10/2005 21:32

Sitan font, ucini mi se na prvi pogled "Nezavisno Koshevo"

papak_eliminator · Post by **papak_eliminator** » 25/10/2005 21:36

Prenj wrote:Sitan font, ucini mi se na prvi pogled "Nezavisno Koshevo"

SAO Haustor....

strah me je da ce sve to biti kratkog daha....
politika SiCG (bolje receno Srbije) je "pusti da to neko otme, nek otima EU i ko god zeli, jer oteto ce biti vraceno, a ako potpisemo nikada se vratiti nece".....
sto se tice njihove nezavisnosti, oni se za to bore vec 20ak godina, makar koliko ja pamtim....

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » 25/10/2005 23:25

Jel to na pomolu novi kvisko.

Vec vidim peticije i prikupljanje potpisa za otcjepljenje po Banja Luci.

8. sekretar SKOJ-a · Post by **8. sekretar SKOJ-a** » 25/10/2005 23:32

* 1998: Open conflict between Serb police and separatist Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA). Hundreds of thousands of civilians are driven out in Serb military crackdown.

Uz 35 000 žrtava!

addem · Post by **addem** » 25/10/2005 23:32

Ja sam ZA

da pamtis · Post by **da pamtis** » 26/10/2005 06:28

treba preziviti i Kosovo, teska vremena dolaze, kada budemo igrali protiv Kosova za koga li ce tad Dodik navijati??
kada je ono okupljanje na ravnoj gori??

Fair Life · Post by **Fair Life** » 26/10/2005 06:49

da pamtis wrote:treba preziviti i Kosovo, teska vremena dolaze, kada budemo igrali protiv Kosova za koga li ce tad Dodik navijati??
kada je ono okupljanje na ravnoj gori??

Valja poraniti...

neko iz mase · Post by **neko iz mase** » 26/10/2005 07:24

Sto se mene tice, mogu i na Smrdiju i na Kosovo kakvu hidrogenku il cijanid baciti. Da nam je Hico ovdje, druga bi prica bila

8. sekretar SKOJ-a · Post by **8. sekretar SKOJ-a** » 26/10/2005 10:10

Naziv Kosovo i METOHIJA/Kosmet je gebelsovska podvala nastala u doba Ranković Alekse!
METOHIJA=Imanje oko manastira.
Kosova ili Kosovo je pravi naziv ove (za sada) pokrajine.

rumenko · Post by **rumenko** » 26/10/2005 10:29

ja ne vidim kako bi drugacije Kosovo moglo biti uredjeno osim kao nezavisna drzava...valjda su i ovi pregovaraci skontali da Albanci nece nista drugo prihvatiti osim potpune nezavisnosti...

da pamtis · Post by **da pamtis** » 26/10/2005 11:50

METOHIJA=Imanje oko manastira.

fakat nisam znao sta znaci metohija, sad tek vidim da su se pravo zaHebali, ode kolijevka.....

vizant · Post by **vizant** » 26/10/2005 13:59

muha_sa wrote:Mogo bi nam ovo i prevest

слажем се око превода

vizant · Post by **vizant** » 26/10/2005 14:35

Па тешко је о томе причати.Ако неко жели ријешење "вук сит а овце на броју" онда је то могуће.Широка аутономија гдје би Србија задржала само вањске границе и столицу у УН а остало би Албанци одлучивали али не Балкан је био и мора остати рупа и легло људског зла одакле ће кренути нови ратови а Косово је поред Босне ко створено за то.
Што се тиче Русије баш ме једе брига они не могу ни своје јадне морнаре да спасе из потонулих подморница .Ајд здраво.

Vodenjak · Post by **Vodenjak** » 26/10/2005 15:03

Vi ljudi kako hocete, ali ja kazem samo, na zalost ce Albanci vjerovatno dobiti samostalno Kosovo!

Ja ipak ne mogu da zaboravim da njima u stvari nikad nista nije valjalo!
Stalno su se nesto puntali i sve su radili da destabilizuju Jugoslaviju!

Sto je pravo, pravo je...

rajvosa · Post by **rajvosa** » 26/10/2005 15:23

Vodenjak wrote:Vi ljudi kako hocete, ali ja kazem samo, na zalost ce Albanci vjerovatno dobiti samostalno Kosovo!

Ja ipak ne mogu da zaboravim da njima u stvari nikad nista nije valjalo!
Stalno su se nesto puntali i sve su radili da destabilizuju Jugoslaviju!

Sto je pravo, pravo je...

Pazi,
oni i nisu Slaveni..Jugoslavija je bila zemlja koja je okupljala sve juzne slavene sem Bugara....
Sto se kosovskih Albanaca u Ex Ju tice ljudi su bili omalovazavani , ponizavani jebavani i razjebavani...Sjecam se ljudi u JNA, ko je cistio WC , ko je bio u " sokari" sokara je bila praonica posudja...eto i naziv je dobila po soku-siptari-albancu..*sokara*...
Dakle ljudi treba da se rijese srpskog junastva i cojstva , to je to..Nek im je sa srecom.-.....

neko iz mase · Post by **neko iz mase** » 26/10/2005 17:40

Bilo bi bolje da se medjusobno pobiju

Shoba · Post by **Shoba** » 26/10/2005 19:34

za nas je najbolje da kosovo ostane u okviru srbije.....a da se crna goda odcijepi.....

u sustini, srbija hoce da se kosovo odvoji, ali niko ne smije da to javno kaze...zato su i rusi sad uskocili da se kosovu da nezavisnost...kostunica ce se neko vrijeme kofrcit, i onda ce ko fol reci da je sve pokusao, al ne ide....

BošnjakTZ · Post by **BošnjakTZ** » 26/10/2005 22:38

Ma neka pisu sta hoce,ISLAM se siri najbrze

PipiDugaDevetka · Post by **PipiDugaDevetka** » 26/10/2005 22:48

BošnjakTZ wrote:Ma neka pisu sta hoce,ISLAM se siri najbrze

Neki dan sam vidio Đuguma. Čovjek trči i nije se ni malo udebljao.

Vodenjak · Post by **Vodenjak** » 26/10/2005 23:27

BošnjakTZ wrote:Ma neka pisu sta hoce,ISLAM se siri najbrze

Hajd´ bar to da nam ide od ruke...
Pardon, od neke stvari...

Hebemo li se hebemo!

Shoba · Post by **Shoba** » 27/10/2005 03:54

bio sam u par navrata u albaniji i oni izmedju sebe nemaju vjerskih problema. Ukoliko niste znali, albanci nisu samo muslimani. cak stavise, imaju jako veliki postotak katolika i pravoslavaca. Oni su sa kosova protjerali sve srbe, bosance, turke, cigane i sve ostale koji nisu albanci....

mozda bi mi u bosni trebali isto uraditi......bosanci katollici, muslimani, i pravoslavci bi trebali protjerati srbe, bosnjake i hrvate

Toozla · Post by **Toozla** » 27/10/2005 03:59

...a gdje su Bosanci ateisti....

Sarafcina · Post by **Sarafcina** » 27/10/2005 04:19

Shoba wrote:za nas je najbolje da kosovo ostane u okviru srbije.....a da se crna goda odcijepi.....

u sustini, srbija hoce da se kosovo odvoji, ali niko ne smije da to javno kaze...zato su i rusi sad uskocili da se kosovu da nezavisnost...kostunica ce se neko vrijeme kofrcit, i onda ce ko fol reci da je sve pokusao, al ne ide....

Jest, ali samo za nas

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Srbija bi rado da ih se rijesi, ali da ne ispadne da su dobili po usima i da su poklonili komad teritorije. Ne vjerujem da ce se iko kofrcit previse, jer onaj ko se bude kofrcio je gubitnik.
Jadan Milosevic ... sve ce se to samom njemu natovarit

...kolikostvari samo par budala mogu zajebat-nekad izgleda prosto nevjerovatno...a jos ih je vecina akademici i ko fol intelektualci ...

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