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#1 Buducnost AI (vestacke inteligencije) - super-efikasni sluga ili maliciozni gospodar ljudima?

Posted: 07/06/2017 14:11
by Towelie
Svi smo mi upoznati sa konceptom vestacke inteligencije i u vecoj ili manjoj meri je koristimo. No, ako se zapitamo kakva nas buducnost ceka sa ovom tehnologijom do kraja 21.veka kada se ocekuje da ce AI nadmasiti ljudsku inteligenciju i to za vise kvalitativnih stepeni? Sta mozemo da ocekujemo?
Ovde cu postaviti isecke iz jednog sjajnog clanka kao i link sa clanku koji se veoma temeljito bavi ovim pitanjem.
If Bostrom and others are right, and from everything I’ve read, it seems like they really might be, we have two pretty shocking facts to absorb:

1) The advent of ASI will, for the first time, open up the possibility for a species to land on the immortality side of the balance beam.

2) The advent of ASI will make such an unimaginably dramatic impact that it’s likely to knock the human race off the beam, in one direction or the other.
ASI - Oxford philosopher and leading AI thinker Nick Bostrom defines superintelligence as “an intellect that is much smarter than the best human brains in practically every field, including scientific creativity, general wisdom and social skills.” Artificial Superintelligence ranges from a computer that’s just a little smarter than a human to one that’s trillions of times smarter—across the board.
How long until the first machine reaches superintelligence?

In 2013, Vincent C. Müller and Nick Bostrom conducted a survey that asked hundreds of AI experts at a series of conferences the following question: “For the purposes of this question, assume that human scientific activity continues without major negative disruption. By what year would you see a (10% / 50% / 90%) probability for such HLMI4 to exist?” It asked them to name an optimistic year (one in which they believe there’s a 10% chance we’ll have AGI), a realistic guess (a year they believe there’s a 50% chance of AGI—i.e. after that year they think it’s more likely than not that we’ll have AGI), and a safe guess (the earliest year by which they can say with 90% certainty we’ll have AGI). Gathered together as one data set, here were the results:2

Median optimistic year (10% likelihood): 2022
Median realistic year (50% likelihood): 2040
Median pessimistic year (90% likelihood): 2075

But AGI isn’t the tripwire, ASI is. So when do the experts think we’ll reach ASI?

Müller and Bostrom also asked the experts how likely they think it is that we’ll reach ASI A) within two years of reaching AGI (i.e. an almost-immediate intelligence explosion), and B) within 30 years. The results:4

The median answer put a rapid (2 year) AGI → ASI transition at only a 10% likelihood, but a longer transition of 30 years or less at a 75% likelihood.
Artificial General Intelligence (AGI): Sometimes referred to as Strong AI, or Human-Level AI, Artificial General Intelligence refers to a computer that is as smart as a human across the board—a machine that can perform any intellectual task that a human being can.

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#2 Re: Buducnost AI (vestacke inteligencije) - super-efikasni sluga ili maliciozni gospodar ljudima?

Posted: 07/06/2017 14:20
by Towelie
Moguci ishodi
Müller and Bostrom’s survey asked participants to assign a probability to the possible impacts AGI would have on humanity and found that the mean response was that there was a 52% chance that the outcome will be either good or extremely good and a 31% chance the outcome will be either bad or extremely bad. For a relatively neutral outcome, the mean probability was only 17%. In other words, the people who know the most about this are pretty sure this will be a huge deal. It’s also worth noting that those numbers refer to the advent of AGI—if the question were about ASI, I imagine that the neutral percentage would be even lower.
Pozitivan ishod:
Nick Bostrom describes three ways a superintelligent AI system could function:6

As an oracle, which answers nearly any question posed to it with accuracy, including complex questions that humans cannot easily answer—i.e. How can I manufacture a more efficient car engine? Google is a primitive type of oracle.
As a genie, which executes any high-level command it’s given—Use a molecular assembler to build a new and more efficient kind of car engine—and then awaits its next command.
As a sovereign, which is assigned a broad and open-ended pursuit and allowed to operate in the world freely, making its own decisions about how best to proceed—Invent a faster, cheaper, and safer way than cars for humans to privately transport themselves.
Eventually, Kurzweil believes humans will reach a point when they’re entirely artificial;11 a time when we’ll look at biological material and think how unbelievably primitive it was that humans were ever made of that; a time when we’ll read about early stages of human history, when microbes or accidents or diseases or wear and tear could just kill humans against their own will; a time the AI Revolution could bring to an end with the merging of humans and AI.12 This is how Kurzweil believes humans will ultimately conquer our biology and become indestructible and eternal—this is his vision for the other side of the balance beam. And he’s convinced we’re gonna get there. Soon.
Negativan ishod:
Well first, in a broad sense, when it comes to developing supersmart AI, we’re creating something that will probably change everything, but in totally uncharted territory, and we have no idea what will happen when we get there. Scientist Danny Hillis compares what’s happening to that point “when single-celled organisms were turning into multi-celled organisms. We are amoebas and we can’t figure out what the hell this thing is that we’re creating.”14 Nick Bostrom worries that creating something smarter than you is a basic Darwinian error, and compares the excitement about it to sparrows in a nest deciding to adopt a baby owl so it’ll help them and protect them once it grows up—while ignoring the urgent cries from a few sparrows who wonder if that’s necessarily a good idea…15

And when you combine “unchartered, not-well-understood territory” with “this should have a major impact when it happens,” you open the door to the scariest two words in the English language:

Existential risk.
When it comes to what agent-motivation combos would suck, two quickly come to mind: a malicious human / group of humans / government, and a malicious ASI. So what would those look like?

A malicious human, group of humans, or government develops the first ASI and uses it to carry out their evil plans. I call this the Jafar Scenario, like when Jafar got ahold of the genie and was all annoying and tyrannical about it. So yeah—what if ISIS has a few genius engineers under its wing working feverishly on AI development? Or what if Iran or North Korea, through a stroke of luck, makes a key tweak to an AI system and it jolts upward to ASI-level over the next year? This would definitely be bad—but in these scenarios, most experts aren’t worried about ASI’s human creators doing bad things with their ASI, they’re worried that the creators will have been rushing to make the first ASI and doing so without careful thought, and would thus lose control of it. Then the fate of those creators, and that of everyone else, would be in what the motivation happened to be of that ASI system. Experts do think a malicious human agent could do horrific damage with an ASI working for it, but they don’t seem to think this scenario is the likely one to kill us all, because they believe bad humans would have the same problems containing an ASI that good humans would have. Okay so—

A malicious ASI is created and decides to destroy us all. The plot of every AI movie. AI becomes as or more intelligent than humans, then decides to turn against us and take over. Here’s what I need you to be clear on for the rest of this post: None of the people warning us about AI are talking about this. Evil is a human concept, and applying human concepts to non-human things is called “anthropomorphizing.” The challenge of avoiding anthropomorphizing will be one of the themes of the rest of this post. No AI system will ever turn evil in the way it’s depicted in movies.
I na kraju linkovi ka originalnim clancima:

http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificia ... ion-1.html
http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificia ... ion-2.html

Opletite. :)

#3 Re: Buducnost AI (vestacke inteligencije) - super-efikasni sluga ili maliciozni gospodar ljudima?

Posted: 08/06/2017 01:21
by Tesla Edison
Jesi li ovo sa srbijanskog foruma kopirao nečiji post? Ne vjerujem da pričaš ekavicu.

Btw. Mislim da bi bili sluge jer 90% poslova bi preuzeli roboti. Čak bi se i samoodržavali tako da ljudski faktor bi i tu bio isključen. Ne vjerujem baš da se može desiti SkyNet scenario al u drugim sferama mislim da bi to bilo dosta pogubno za ljude.

#4 Re: Buducnost AI (vestacke inteligencije) - super-efikasni sluga ili maliciozni gospodar ljudima?

Posted: 08/06/2017 01:39
by Towelie
TESLA_EDISON wrote:Jesi li ovo sa srbijanskog foruma kopirao nečiji post? Ne vjerujem da pričaš ekavicu.

Btw. Mislim da bi bili sluge jer 90% poslova bi preuzeli roboti. Čak bi se i samoodržavali tako da ljudski faktor bi i tu bio isključen. Ne vjerujem baš da se može desiti SkyNet scenario al u drugim sferama mislim da bi to bilo dosta pogubno za ljude.
Nisam kopirao, autentican je post na ekavici. :-D Takvi su mi i ostali postovi.

Zasto mislis da je nerealan Skynet scenario? Mi se susrecemo sa necim do sada nepoznatim i mozemo samo nagadjati kakva ce biti superinteligenta AI i kakav ce imati odnos prema ljudima.

#5 Re: Buducnost AI (vestacke inteligencije) - super-efikasni sluga ili maliciozni gospodar ljudima?

Posted: 08/06/2017 02:23
by Tesla Edison
Towelie wrote:
TESLA_EDISON wrote:Jesi li ovo sa srbijanskog foruma kopirao nečiji post? Ne vjerujem da pričaš ekavicu.

Btw. Mislim da bi bili sluge jer 90% poslova bi preuzeli roboti. Čak bi se i samoodržavali tako da ljudski faktor bi i tu bio isključen. Ne vjerujem baš da se može desiti SkyNet scenario al u drugim sferama mislim da bi to bilo dosta pogubno za ljude.
Nisam kopirao, autentican je post na ekavici. :-D Takvi su mi i ostali postovi.

Zasto mislis da je nerealan Skynet scenario? Mi se susrecemo sa necim do sada nepoznatim i mozemo samo nagadjati kakva ce biti superinteligenta AI i kakav ce imati odnos prema ljudima.
Prvo sumnjam da će AI ikad biti na ljudskom nivou. Ima tu puno više od inteligencije. Prvenstveno mislim na moral, emocije, podsvijest,... ali kakav god da bude, biće dovoljan da nas eliminiše u poslovnom smislu. Ostaće možda 10% poslova koje će ljudi nastaviti obnašati kao recimo psihologija ali ostalo će prije ili kasnije zamijeniti AI roboti i slična sra*a.
Što se SkyNeta tiče, mi već imamo to i zove se Google. SkyNet iz Terimatora je Hoolywood-ski prenapuhan. Osam od deset temeljnih SkyNet tehnologija Google već posjeduje (Deep mind, robotika, Nest tehnologije, satelitska komunikacija, staletitsko mapiranje, prisutnost u svim mogućim uređajima, Internet policajac, Google glass,....). Da je Google postojao 80-tih godina, Hoolywood bi uzeo to ime umjesto SkyNet-a. Dakle iako SkyNet suštinski već dugo postoji, još uvijek smo živi. :D

Svakako tebi idu pohvale za temu. Fali na ovom forumu konstruktivnih tema kao što je ova. Jedno vrijeme sam se bavio istraživanjem na temu "Tehnološka proročanstva". Mnogi se tenutno bave AI-om i raznim " proročanstvima" vezanih za isto što me podsjetilo na razne "vizije budućnosti" iz 1960-tih godina kada su skoro pa svi mislili da ćemo 2017. imati baze na Mjesecu i Marsu i da ćemo u Svemir ići za godišnji odmor kao što danas idemo na more. Ništa od toga se nije obistinilo tako da sam skeptik vezano za AI. Da će nam isti naštetiti itekako ali da će biti totalna kataklizma, u to mi je jako teško povjerovati.