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#1 Papa izabran

Posted: 19/04/2005 18:18
by Prenj
Nije jos objavljeno ko je, ali sve su prilike da je rotvajler u pitanju.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/pope/story/0, ... 75,00.html
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There is no clear favourite but one frontrunner is the German cardinal known as "God's rottweiler", Joseph Ratzinger, who was John Paul II's doctrinal enforcer. He is seen as a continuity candidate in the contest between traditionalists and those who would prefer a more progressive pope.
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BBC wrote: White smoke signals pope election
Nuns watching the chimney from St Peter's Square
All eyes are on the chimney leading from the Sistine Chapel
White smoke has been seen from the Sistine Chapel chimney indicating that a new pope has been elected.

The bells of St Peter's Basilica rang out shortly after 1800 local time (1600 GMT) to confirm the news.

There were jubilant scenes in St Peter's Square where many thousands of pilgrims had gathered.

The new pontiff was chosen on the fourth ballot held by the 115 cardinals meeting to select a successor to Pope John Paul II.

More details soon.

#2

Posted: 19/04/2005 18:24
by pape
Papa je izabran, ali .... jos nije saopsteno ime novog pape. (CNN)

#3

Posted: 19/04/2005 18:27
by Fair Life
Pretpostavljao sam... Imao je najvise izgleda da on bude izabran.

#4

Posted: 19/04/2005 18:31
by St.Germain
ne, samo ne taj fasista :roll:

juce procitah njegovo bjesnilo pretoceno u slova i pazi, individualnost je najvece zlo covjecanstva :oops:

ajme ucenjaka i govana....

#5

Posted: 19/04/2005 18:32
by Prenj
Bice slavlja u komsiluku :(

#6

Posted: 19/04/2005 18:40
by St.Germain
pa ja mislim da ce to bitno utjecati na desavanja u svijetu, prije svega trecem...U zapadnoj evropi su sekularizmu hvala, isprdili svoje...u svakom slucaju, ako je to istina, mozemo ocekivati mars neofasizma

#7

Posted: 19/04/2005 18:43
by pitt
Ja se sve nadam da ce jedan od latinosa ili nigerijanc biti izabran. Ne gotivim ni krauta a ni zabara :D

#8

Posted: 19/04/2005 18:44
by Prenj
Svabo izabran :( :( :( :(

#9

Posted: 19/04/2005 18:46
by St.Germain
evo gledam :(

#10

Posted: 19/04/2005 18:47
by Truba
Pancer papa

8)

#11

Posted: 19/04/2005 18:48
by Prenj
Rotvajler, bivsi hitlerjugend, svidjece se Fatmiru

#12

Posted: 19/04/2005 18:50
by Truba
Prenj wrote:Rotvajler, bivsi hitlerjugend, svidjece se Fatmiru
a ja sam uvijek volio tenkove 8)

#13

Posted: 19/04/2005 18:52
by St.Germain
Bavarac. Ovo je politicka odluka. Svima je jasno da je zapadna Evropa izgubljena za katolicku crkvu i time se ocigledno zeli vratiti uticaj na najvecu drzavu EU a samim tim i EU. Jedina dobra stvar je da mu je 78 godina :roll:

#14

Posted: 19/04/2005 18:53
by Prenj
St.Germain wrote:Bavarac. Ovo je politicka odluka. Svima je jasno da je zapadna Evropa izgubljena za katolicku crkvu i time se ocigledno zeli vratiti uticaj na najvecu drzavu EU a samim tim i EU. Jedina dobra stvar je da mu je 78 godina :roll:
Nista tu nije dobro? Svi ovi negativci dugo zive. Uzmi samo Pinochea :(

#15

Posted: 19/04/2005 18:55
by Kapetan Fazla
Molim vas nemam pojma sta je uradio tolko lose Ratzinger?

Da znam da se pripremim... :(

#16

Posted: 19/04/2005 18:56
by Šandor
St.Germain wrote:Bavarac. Ovo je politicka odluka. Svima je jasno da je zapadna Evropa izgubljena za katolicku crkvu i time se ocigledno zeli vratiti uticaj na najvecu drzavu EU a samim tim i EU. Jedina dobra stvar je da mu je 78 godina :roll:
I izbor Karola Vojtile bila je politicka odluka.
Mada je meni bilo logicnije da sad izaberu Kopta (ako ima koptski kardinal?) ili Nigerijca.

#17

Posted: 19/04/2005 18:58
by pitt
Koji losh potez :(

Ratzinger Slams Moral Relativism In Pre-Conclave Homily


DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
April 18, 2005 5:21 a.m.

VATICAN CITY (AP)--Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, considered a top contender to be the next pope, made his final stump speech before being sequestered in the Sistine Chapel on Monday, lashing out at the trends he said were taking root in the Roman Catholic Church.

Ratzinger, the powerful dean of the College of Cardinals , used his homily at the Mass dedicated to electing the next pope to warn cardinals and the faithful about tendencies that he considered dangers to the faith: sects, ideologies like Marxism, liberalism, atheism, agnosticism and relativism - the ideology that there are no absolute truths.

"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the church, is often labeled today as a fundamentalism," he said. "Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and "swept along by every wind of teaching," looks like the only attitude acceptable to today's standards."

"We are moving toward a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognize anything as for certain and which has as its highest goal one's own ego and one's own desires," he told cardinals , bishops and others gathered in St. Peter's Basilica for the solemn Mass before the conclave.

It was a blunt reminder to the 114 other cardinals who will elect the next pope that there are absolute truths in the church. The German-born Ratzinger, 78, has been guardian of those since 1981 as prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, responsible for maintaining the church's hard line on issues such as birth control, barring women priests, abortion and euthanasia.

In that role, Ratzinger has silenced dissident theologians, reiterated church teaching and served as a close aide to Pope John Paul II.

Ratzinger has most often been mentioned as a possible "transitional" pope, who because of his age would likely have a short reign following the 26-year papacy of John Paul, the third-longest in church history.

Hard-liners who favor continuing John Paul's conservative policies also could back Ratzinger at the helm at the church. And there are a lot of them: John Paul appointed all but two of the voting-age cardinals at the conclave. Only Ratzinger and Cardinal William Baum of the U.S. weren't named by John Paul.

But objections to a Ratzinger papacy could come from cardinals who want the next pope to be an experienced and widely admired pastoral figure, in the mold of John Paul or John XXIII. More liberal Catholics might also be alienated by a Ratzinger papacy.

Only in the last line of his homily did Ratzinger refer specifically to the job awaiting cardinals later Monday.

"At this time, above all, we pray with insistence to the Lord, so that after the great gift of Pope John Paul II, he again gives us a pastor according to his own heart, a pastor who guides us to knowledge in Christ, to his love and to true joy."

#18

Posted: 19/04/2005 19:04
by St.Germain
Ratzinger je inace bio kandidat s kojim niko nije racunao, jer je on pravio politiku Katolicke crkve i imao je ulogu stratega. Svi potezi Katolicke crkve koji su kod civilizovanog svijeta naisli na veliko nerazumijevanje su potekli od njega. Posljednji veliki napad je bila skoro pa naredba narodnim poslanicima katolicke vjeroispovjesti da pokrenu proceduru u svojim parlamentima za oduzimanje prava seksualnim manjinama i za ukidanje homo-brakova, sto je naislo na zaprepastenost cak i kod konzervativnih krugova zastupljenih u evropskom parlamentu, ne zbog ideje same, nego nacina na koji je to saopsteno, jer se istim izmedju redova prijetilo ekskomunikacijom ukoliko ne poduzmu odgovarajuce mjere, sto je direktno mijesanje religije u politiku a samim tim i ugrozavanje sekularnog drustva za koje se evropa vijekovima borila
U buducnosti mozemo ocekivati i sve vece mijesanje religije u politiku, mozda ne u onim razmjerima kao sto je to kod nas obicaj, ali slicno...sve u svemu je to korak unazad za covjecanstvo i civilizaciju uopste

#19

Posted: 19/04/2005 19:06
by Šandor
Germa, ovo malo sto sam ja gledo TV svi su najavljivali Ratzingera kao najveceg favorita.

Ja sam se salio na forumu kako Pulja objasnjava Komarici kako je Ratzinger jedino rjesenje. :D :D :D

#20

Posted: 19/04/2005 19:08
by St.Germain
Šandor wrote:Germa, ovo malo sto sam ja gledo TV svi su najavljivali Ratzingera kao najveceg favorita.

Ja sam se salio na forumu kako Pulja objasnjava Komarici kako je Ratzinger jedino rjesenje. :D :D :D
Komaricin ne bi bio sigurno :roll:
Puljic je, dajem glavu, glaso za njeg

#21

Posted: 19/04/2005 19:16
by pitt
suti...ovdje se pricha da ce mozd moj senator,...casni Rick Santorum mozda biti republikanski kandidat za predsjednika USA na sljedecim izborima :D:D Njemu bijela kukuljica viri ispod sakoa za neupucene :D:D

#22

Posted: 19/04/2005 19:18
by St.Germain
ma ode ovaj svijet menscini u tri picke materine. nek me jos neko pita sto se drogiram i pijem :D

#23

Posted: 19/04/2005 19:19
by pitt
Vrijeme je za kakvu kometu da nas spici :D:D

#24

Posted: 19/04/2005 19:21
by Šandor
pitt wrote:Vrijeme je za kakvu kometu da nas spici :D:D

Da hoce kakva manja precnika 2000 km u Atlantik da potjera tsunami na Pittsburg. :-D :D

#25

Posted: 19/04/2005 19:23
by pitt
Šandor wrote:
pitt wrote:Vrijeme je za kakvu kometu da nas spici :D:D

Da hoce kakva manja precnika 2000 km u Atlantik da potjera tsunami na Pittsburg. :-D :D
Da hoce kakva od jednog centimetra pa da tebe medju noge....hadume jedan :D:D:D