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#9876 Re: Ateizam / Nihilizam / Agnosticizam

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mousstapha wrote:Spavate li mirno ateisti? Sve nas je manje :sad:

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#9877 Re: Ateizam / Nihilizam / Agnosticizam

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shbc wrote:
Smrcak15 wrote:
Pa kad sam madjionicar potvrdi da radi trikove pomoci sejtana sta ja tu imam pricati vise
Kazem ja

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Eno sejtana u pozadini mase carobnim stapicem :lol:
nije to, to je glupost, stap tu pricvrscnjen a on sjedi na stapu koji je provucen kroz rukav...to je samo varka, nikakvo cudo.

dok ovaj madjionicar tvrdi da mu djavo pomaze, gdje jasno kaze ne pojavi li mu se demon zvani Desmond, nema ni madjionicarskog trika, znaci ovo je iz usta samog madjionicara
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#9878 Re: Ateizam / Nihilizam / Agnosticizam

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Pa ovo je debilno. Ja te zaista žalim ako si ti naseo na ovo. U ovo čak ni deca predškolskog uzrasta ne bi poverovala. Jadno i glupo.
Skroz iscenirano. Loša gluma. Čak mislim da se lik i svesno sprdao.
Demon pod tipičnim engleskim imenom Dezmond. Strpao ga u žensku, a zaboravio da ga izvadi na kraju.
I uopšte nije reagovala na te dodire i na vatru. Tek kada joj je on spomenuo šta je uradio onda je potvrdila.

A ti oduševljen ovde govoriš kako ne bi bilo trika da nema demona :lol:

Izvini, ali ja sam više impresioniran sa onim štapom i čovekom koji se naslanja na njega, nego sa ovim.
Ovo bi eventualno prošlo na dečijoj priredbi.
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#9879 Re: Ateizam / Nihilizam / Agnosticizam

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SamoVasGledam wrote:Pa ovo je debilno. Ja te zaista žalim ako si ti naseo na ovo. U ovo čak ni deca predškolskog uzrasta ne bi poverovala. Jadno i glupo.
Skroz iscenirano. Loša gluma. Čak mislim da se lik i svesno sprdao.
Demon pod tipičnim engleskim imenom Dezmond. Strpao ga u žensku, a zaboravio da ga izvadi na kraju.
I uopšte nije reagovala na te dodire i na vatru. Tek kada joj je on spomenuo šta je uradio onda je potvrdila.

A ti oduševljen ovde govoriš kako ne bi bilo trika da nema demona :lol:

Izvini, ali ja sam više impresioniran sa onim štapom i čovekom koji se naslanja na njega, nego sa ovim.
Ovo bi eventualno prošlo na dečijoj priredbi.
neka je debilno, nego objasni kako to da mozda danas najveci madjionicar na svijetu, Dynamo ne negira da mu pomazu demoni kad ga je novinarka upitala
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#9880 Re: Ateizam / Nihilizam / Agnosticizam

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aurora313 wrote:...ali, dok je bio profesor teologije i stručnjak za koješta u vjeri, tada je bio veoma cijenjen i poštovan, jel‘de? Ama, ne dogura se do tih visina da nije bio ubijeđen hrišćanin i znalac!

Ali kao što to uvijek biva, kada počneš da pažljivije čitaš i porediš, onda shvatiš da je biblijsko pisanije kao ementaler... puno veeelikih rupa. A on o tome i govori!
Sem ovog kratkog videa koji si postavio, da li si ti zaista upoznat sa onim o cemu ovaj covjek pise i govori?
Da li se ti kao ateista slazes onda sa njegovom izjavom gdje Erhman kaze sljedece: “One of the most certain facts of history is that Jesus was crucified on orders of the Roman prefect of Judea, Pontius Pilate.” ? Da li se onda slazes kad Bart potvrduje povijesni zivot ucenika, Pavla, i njihove tvrdnje o tome kako su Isusa vidjeli nakon smrti?
Da li si kojim slucajem gledao intervju gdje on kaze upravo suprotno od tvojih tvrdnji i "veeeeelikih rupa" i gdje priznaje da ga je logican problem zla odvratio od vjerovanja u Boga, nasuprot toboznjih gresaka u Bibliji?
Nemoj da se blamiras kad postavljas nesto ovako i jos zelis da te uzmem za ozbiljnog sagovornika.
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#9881 Re: Ateizam / Nihilizam / Agnosticizam

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Bart D. Ehrman wrote: Occasionally I see a bumper sticker that reads: "God said it, I believe it, and that settles it." My response is always, What if God didn't say it? What if the book you take as giving you God's words instead contains human words? What if the Bible doesn't give a foolproof answer to the questions of the modern age — abortion, women's rights, gay rights, religious supremacy, Western-style democracy, and the like? What if we have to figure out how to live and what to believe on our own, without setting up the Bible as a false idol — or an oracle that gives us a direct line of communication with the Almighty? There are clear reasons for thinking that, in fact, the Bible is not this kind of inerrant
guide to our lives: among other things, as I've been pointing out, in many places we (as scholars, or just regular readers) don't even know what the original words of the Bible actually were.

My personal theology changed radically with this realization, taking me down roads quite different from the ones I had traversed in my late teens and early twenties. (Misquoting Jesus)
Meni, kao krscaninu, ovo je za popizdit'...
I pomislit' da Biblija mozda nije rijec bozija, a ne jos napisat'! Blasfemija!
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#9882 Re: Ateizam / Nihilizam / Agnosticizam

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John Cleese wrote:
Bart D. Ehrman wrote: Occasionally I see a bumper sticker that reads: "God said it, I believe it, and that settles it." My response is always, What if God didn't say it? What if the book you take as giving you God's words instead contains human words? What if the Bible doesn't give a foolproof answer to the questions of the modern age — abortion, women's rights, gay rights, religious supremacy, Western-style democracy, and the like? What if we have to figure out how to live and what to believe on our own, without setting up the Bible as a false idol — or an oracle that gives us a direct line of communication with the Almighty? There are clear reasons for thinking that, in fact, the Bible is not this kind of inerrant
guide to our lives: among other things, as I've been pointing out, in many places we (as scholars, or just regular readers) don't even know what the original words of the Bible actually were.

My personal theology changed radically with this realization, taking me down roads quite different from the ones I had traversed in my late teens and early twenties. (Misquoting Jesus)
Meni, kao krscaninu, ovo je za popizdit'...
I pomislit' da Biblija mozda nije rijec bozija, a ne jos napisat'! Blasfemija!
:shock:
*slowly moves away*
:run:
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#9883 Re: Ateizam / Nihilizam / Agnosticizam

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John Cleese wrote:
Bart D. Ehrman wrote: Occasionally I see a bumper sticker that reads: "God said it, I believe it, and that settles it." My response is always, What if God didn't say it? What if the book you take as giving you God's words instead contains human words? What if the Bible doesn't give a foolproof answer to the questions of the modern age — abortion, women's rights, gay rights, religious supremacy, Western-style democracy, and the like? What if we have to figure out how to live and what to believe on our own, without setting up the Bible as a false idol — or an oracle that gives us a direct line of communication with the Almighty? There are clear reasons for thinking that, in fact, the Bible is not this kind of inerrant
guide to our lives: among other things, as I've been pointing out, in many places we (as scholars, or just regular readers) don't even know what the original words of the Bible actually were.

My personal theology changed radically with this realization, taking me down roads quite different from the ones I had traversed in my late teens and early twenties. (Misquoting Jesus)
Meni, kao krscaninu, ovo je za popizdit'...
I pomislit' da Biblija mozda nije rijec bozija, a ne jos napisat'! Blasfemija!
pa sama ti biblija kaze da sva nije bozija rijec...sto se bunis onda na nesto sto ti sama knjiga kaze??
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#9884 Re: Ateizam / Nihilizam / Agnosticizam

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Smrcak15 wrote:neka je debilno, nego objasni kako to da mozda danas najveci madjionicar na svijetu, Dynamo ne negira da mu pomazu demoni kad ga je novinarka upitala
Šta misliš, govori li on to namjerno da oko sebe stvori određenu atmosferu koja mu pomaže u karijeri?
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#9885 Re: Ateizam / Nihilizam / Agnosticizam

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JVC wrote:“One of the most certain facts of history is that Jesus was crucified on orders of the Roman prefect of Judea, Pontius Pilate.”
Zašto bi to bilo problem? BIo jedan čovjek koji se zvao Isus i koji je predstavljao problem rimskoj vlasti u Judeji. Pa su ga razapeli na krst kao što su razapeli na stotine pa i hiljade ljudi prije i poslije Isusa. Razapinjanje na krst je Rimljanima bila kazna kao što je Francuzima bila giljotina, ili mnogim državama vješanje, ili odsijecanje glave, čerečenje, pa strijeljanje, pa u moderna vremena električna stolica, smrtonosna injekcija itd.

Razapinjanje na krst nema nikakvu mističnu niti religioznu komponentu.

Tako da potvrda činjenice da je Isus postojao i razapinjanje na krst meni kao ateisti ne predstavlja problem. Čak i da se potvrdi da je rušio stolove mjenjača novca u hramu nije problem.

To što su sljedbenici od Isusa napravili mučenika, pa stvorili kult, pa onda činjenicu banalnog razapinjanja utkali u mitove tog kulta je druga priča. Pa sva ostala mitologija čuda vezana oko Isusa, to je problem. Uključujući uskrsnuće kao temelj hrišćanstva koje je i najveći mit.
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#9886 Re: Ateizam / Nihilizam / Agnosticizam

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Smrcak15 wrote:neka je debilno, nego objasni kako to da mozda danas najveci madjionicar na svijetu, Dynamo ne negira da mu pomazu demoni kad ga je novinarka upitala
Bogati, ne lupaj. Bili mu vjerovao da je rekao da mu je Džibril prenio kako da to izvede?!?
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#9887 Re: Ateizam / Nihilizam / Agnosticizam

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Smrcak15 wrote:pa sama ti biblija kaze da sva nije bozija rijec...sto se bunis onda na nesto sto ti sama knjiga kaze??
Ne bunim se. Ispoljavam pravedni gnijev :|
Gdje 's mi u Bibliju dirat'...
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#9888 Re: Ateizam / Nihilizam / Agnosticizam

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Bloo wrote:
John Cleese wrote:
Bart D. Ehrman wrote: Occasionally I see a bumper sticker that reads: "God said it, I believe it, and that settles it." My response is always, What if God didn't say it? What if the book you take as giving you God's words instead contains human words? What if the Bible doesn't give a foolproof answer to the questions of the modern age — abortion, women's rights, gay rights, religious supremacy, Western-style democracy, and the like? What if we have to figure out how to live and what to believe on our own, without setting up the Bible as a false idol — or an oracle that gives us a direct line of communication with the Almighty? There are clear reasons for thinking that, in fact, the Bible is not this kind of inerrant
guide to our lives: among other things, as I've been pointing out, in many places we (as scholars, or just regular readers) don't even know what the original words of the Bible actually were.

My personal theology changed radically with this realization, taking me down roads quite different from the ones I had traversed in my late teens and early twenties. (Misquoting Jesus)
Meni, kao krscaninu, ovo je za popizdit'...
I pomislit' da Biblija mozda nije rijec bozija, a ne jos napisat'! Blasfemija!
:shock:
*slowly moves away*
:run:
Krscanin sam, to su moje stvari.
Krscanin je bio i moj stari :|
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#9889 Re: Ateizam / Nihilizam / Agnosticizam

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JVC wrote:Da li si kojim slucajem gledao intervju gdje on kaze upravo suprotno od tvojih tvrdnji i "veeeeelikih rupa" i gdje priznaje da ga je logican problem zla odvratio od vjerovanja u Boga, nasuprot toboznjih gresaka u Bibliji?
Nemoj da se blamiras kad postavljas nesto ovako i jos zelis da te uzmem za ozbiljnog sagovornika.
Nisam ja neozbiljan nego ti nisi gledao ovaj video. Pogledaj video i sam ćeš se uvjeriti da sam u pravu.
A ne pada mi na pamet da tražim i gledam neka druga njegova videa. On nema šta da me poduči jer o petljavinama u Bibliji znam više od njega... on je to ozbiljno čitao i shvatao dok mu nije sinulo, a ja sam bar u tome uživao dok sam prvi put čitao, jer sam već tada shvatao o kakvim se sve sumanutim baljezgarijama tu radi!
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#9890 Re: Ateizam / Nihilizam / Agnosticizam

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Smrcak15 wrote:pa sama ti biblija kaze da sva nije bozija rijec...
Gdje si to našao u Bibliji?
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#9891 Re: Ateizam / Nihilizam / Agnosticizam

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John Cleese wrote: Krscanin sam, to su moje stvari.
Krscanin je bio i moj stari :|
Odjednom sam dobila nagon da slušam Škoru
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#9892 Re: Ateizam / Nihilizam / Agnosticizam

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Bloo wrote:Odjednom sam dobila nagon da slušam Škoru
:lol: :D
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dakle, danas smo u fazi kada je dovoljno pustiti youtube clip kako bi se nesto dokazalo, *ebo istrazivanja, clanke u casopisima, knjige, eksperimente..... nego "rek'o covjek na youtube-u"
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#9894 Re: Ateizam / Nihilizam / Agnosticizam

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John Cleese wrote:
Bart D. Ehrman wrote: Occasionally I see a bumper sticker that reads: "God said it, I believe it, and that settles it." My response is always, What if God didn't say it? What if the book you take as giving you God's words instead contains human words? What if the Bible doesn't give a foolproof answer to the questions of the modern age — abortion, women's rights, gay rights, religious supremacy, Western-style democracy, and the like? What if we have to figure out how to live and what to believe on our own, without setting up the Bible as a false idol — or an oracle that gives us a direct line of communication with the Almighty? There are clear reasons for thinking that, in fact, the Bible is not this kind of inerrant
guide to our lives: among other things, as I've been pointing out, in many places we (as scholars, or just regular readers) don't even know what the original words of the Bible actually were.

My personal theology changed radically with this realization, taking me down roads quite different from the ones I had traversed in my late teens and early twenties. (Misquoting Jesus)
Meni, kao krscaninu, ovo je za popizdit'...
I pomislit' da Biblija mozda nije rijec bozija, a ne jos napisat'! Blasfemija!
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Shvatam te i predlažem ti da pizdiš ! Djeli letke, piši pisma medijima, organizuj proteste, štrajkove..
I ja se tako osjećam kada neko negira da je Hyperion od Dan Simmonsa remek djelo na nivou sa Dostojevskim samo što sam previše ljen za proteste i aktivizam..
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:lol:
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r_faruk wrote:dakle, danas smo u fazi kada je dovoljno pustiti youtube clip kako bi se nesto dokazalo, *ebo istrazivanja, clanke u casopisima, knjige, eksperimente..... nego "rek'o covjek na youtube-u"
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Jedan od najporaznijih aspekta ovog doba je irelevantnost istine. Fake news !!
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#9897 Re: Ateizam / Nihilizam / Agnosticizam

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broj dva wrote:
John Cleese wrote:
Bart D. Ehrman wrote: Occasionally I see a bumper sticker that reads: "God said it, I believe it, and that settles it." My response is always, What if God didn't say it? What if the book you take as giving you God's words instead contains human words? What if the Bible doesn't give a foolproof answer to the questions of the modern age — abortion, women's rights, gay rights, religious supremacy, Western-style democracy, and the like? What if we have to figure out how to live and what to believe on our own, without setting up the Bible as a false idol — or an oracle that gives us a direct line of communication with the Almighty? There are clear reasons for thinking that, in fact, the Bible is not this kind of inerrant
guide to our lives: among other things, as I've been pointing out, in many places we (as scholars, or just regular readers) don't even know what the original words of the Bible actually were.

My personal theology changed radically with this realization, taking me down roads quite different from the ones I had traversed in my late teens and early twenties. (Misquoting Jesus)
Meni, kao krscaninu, ovo je za popizdit'...
I pomislit' da Biblija mozda nije rijec bozija, a ne jos napisat'! Blasfemija!
----
Shvatam te i predlažem ti da pizdiš ! Djeli letke, piši pisma medijima, organizuj proteste, štrajkove..
I ja se tako osjećam kada neko negira da je Hyperion od Dan Simmonsa remek djelo na nivou sa Dostojevskim samo što sam previše ljen za proteste i aktivizam..
:lol:

Ma mrsko mi... i to malo se jedva nakanih da napisem :|
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broj dva wrote:
r_faruk wrote:dakle, danas smo u fazi kada je dovoljno pustiti youtube clip kako bi se nesto dokazalo, *ebo istrazivanja, clanke u casopisima, knjige, eksperimente..... nego "rek'o covjek na youtube-u"
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Jedan od najporaznijih aspekta ovog doba je irelevantnost istine. Fake news !!
Istine gdje, u čemu, o čemu? U nauci? Odavno postoje stavovi (i kod filozofa, teoretičara spoznaje, epistemologa, kao i samih znanstvenika) da se pojam istine, kao takve, treba "prognati" iz znanosti i umjesto istina koristiti, naprosto, termin poput naučna činjenica i slično.

Ne znam, naime, da li si na to mislio kada si spomenuo istinu, ali nema veze...
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#9899 Re: Ateizam / Nihilizam / Agnosticizam

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John Cleese wrote:
:lol:

Ma mrsko mi... i to malo se jedva nakanih da napisem :|
Pa takvi kao ti su najgori, napolice, ni tam' ni 'vam...A nije ti mrsko baljezgat svašta ovdam...Bože, kad je i Internet svakome dostupan...
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#9900 Re: Ateizam / Nihilizam / Agnosticizam

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Hakiz wrote:
Smrcak15 wrote:neka je debilno, nego objasni kako to da mozda danas najveci madjionicar na svijetu, Dynamo ne negira da mu pomazu demoni kad ga je novinarka upitala
Šta misliš, govori li on to namjerno da oko sebe stvori određenu atmosferu koja mu pomaže u karijeri?
neznam, mozda....
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