Njima kao da je cilj da ih uvijek neko mrzi. Nisu se opametili od Holokausta tj energiju usmjeravaju u pogresnom smijeru.
Moze pricati ko sta hoce ali dobrim dijelom je krivo i ucenje kojim ih pumpaju od rodjenja, da su izabrani narod, da su bolji od drugih itd.itd. To je fasisticka ideologija koja vodi tome da druge gledas kao niza bica a kad dodjes na taj stadij, onda tim drugim nije problem uzeti zivot, ubiti im dijete, patiti, muciti, trijumfalno se fotografisati pored leseva ubijenih itd.
Kad se sjetim da sam jos kao dijete na crno-bijelom TV-u gledao patnje Palestinaca i da to isto gledamo danas, pitam se kako ti ljudi izdrze. Kako ih ne jedu zive gdje god da se susrecu s njima u svijetu, mislim ne bi me cudilo.
Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
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#977 Re: o ratu u Palestini??- zna li neko
Ti Palestinci kopaju tunele između Gaze i Egipta da bi prezivjeli....
Mislim da vise pomoci Palestincima dolazi iz Izraela nego preko ove granice sa Egiptom
Mislim da vise pomoci Palestincima dolazi iz Izraela nego preko ove granice sa Egiptom
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#978 Re: o ratu u Palestini??- zna li neko
Najzanimljivije je što je čak lakše dobiti vizu za SAD nego za Egipat Palestincima, samo u želji da se teritorija "očisti" od njih!
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#979 Re: o ratu u Palestini??- zna li neko
Arapi su najveća pogan i uopšte nemaju solidarnosti.
Samo ih pare interesuju..
Samo ih pare interesuju..
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#980 Re: o ratu u Palestini??- zna li neko
Nemoj tako,medju obicnim ljudima je podrska za palestince ogromna,,,eno u Maroku se cak 3 miliona ljudi okupilo na protestima,,ali vlasti su skroz druga prica..ma znamo kako prica ide,ni nama nije boljealen_zenica wrote:Arepi su najveća pogan i uopšte nemaju solidarnosti.
Samo ih pare interesuju..
da naM Allah olaksa.amin
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#981 Re: o ratu u Palestini??- zna li neko
ne, ja ne govorim o običnim ljudima...oni najviše stradaju...ja pričam o sistemu koji ne dozvoljava da ljudi normalno živepure_love wrote:Nemoj tako,medju obicnim ljudima je podrska za palestince ogromna,,,eno u Maroku se cak 3 miliona ljudi okupilo na protestima,,ali vlasti su skroz druga prica..ma znamo kako prica ide,ni nama nije boljealen_zenica wrote:Arepi su najveća pogan i uopšte nemaju solidarnosti.
Samo ih pare interesuju..
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#982 Re: o ratu u Palestini??- zna li neko
pa da arapska vlast jeste pogan,isto kao i nasa,kao i sve ostale vlastialen_zenica wrote:ne, ja ne govorim o običnim ljudima...oni najviše stradaju...ja pričam o sistemu koji ne dozvoljava da ljudi normalno živepure_love wrote:Nemoj tako,medju obicnim ljudima je podrska za palestince ogromna,,,eno u Maroku se cak 3 miliona ljudi okupilo na protestima,,ali vlasti su skroz druga prica..ma znamo kako prica ide,ni nama nije boljealen_zenica wrote:Arepi su najveća pogan i uopšte nemaju solidarnosti.
Samo ih pare interesuju..
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#983 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!
Weekend Edition
January 2 - 4, 2009
How Israel is Multiplying Hamas by a Thousand
Molten Lead in Gaza
By URI AVNERY
EJUST AFTER MIDNIGHT, Aljazeera’s Arabic channel was reporting on events in Gaza. Suddenly the camera was pointing upwards towards the dark sky. The screen was pitch black. Nothing could be seen, but there was a sound to be heard: the noise of airplanes, a frightening, a terrifying droning.
It was impossible not to think about the tens of thousands of Gazan children who were hearing that sound at that moment, cringing with fright, paralyzed by fear, waiting for the bombs to fall.
* * *
“ISRAEL MUST defend itself against the rockets that are terrorizing our Southern towns,” the Israeli spokesmen explained. “Palestinians must respond to the killing of their fighters inside the Gaza Strip,” the Hamas spokesmen declared.
As a matter of fact, the cease-fire did not collapse, because there was no real cease-fire to start with. The main requirement for any cease-fire in the Gaza Strip must be the opening of the border crossings. There can be no life in Gaza without a steady flow of supplies. But the crossings were not opened, except for a few hours now and again. The blockade on land, on sea and in the air against a million and a half human beings is an act of war, as much as any dropping of bombs or launching of rockets. It paralyzes life in the Gaza Strip: eliminating most sources of employment, pushing hundreds of thousands to the brink of starvation, stopping most hospitals from functioning, disrupting the supply of electricity and water.
Those who decided to close the crossings – under whatever pretext – knew that there is no real cease-fire under these conditions.
That is the main thing. Then there came the small provocations which were designed to get Hamas to react. After several months, in which hardly any Qassam rockets were launched, an army unit was sent into the Strip “in order to destroy a tunnel that came close to the border fence”. From a purely military point of view, it would have made more sense to lay an ambush on our side of the fence. But the aim was to find a pretext for the termination of the cease-fire, in a way that made it plausible to put the blame on the Palestinians. And indeed, after several such small actions, in which Hamas fighters were killed, Hamas retaliated with a massive launch of rockets, and – lo and behold – the cease-fire was at an end. Everybody blamed Hamas.
* * *
WHAT WAS THE AIM? Tzipi Livni announced it openly: to liquidate Hamas rule in Gaza. The Qassams served only as a pretext.
Liquidate Hamas rule? That sounds like a chapter out of “The March of Folly”. After all, it is no secret that it was the Israeli government which set up Hamas to start with. When I once asked a former Shin-Bet chief, Yaakov Peri, about it, he answered enigmatically: “We did not create it, but we did not hinder its creation.”
For years, the occupation authorities favored the Islamic movement in the occupied territories. All other political activities were rigorously suppressed, but their activities in the mosques were permitted. The calculation was simple and naive: at the time, the PLO was considered the main enemy, Yasser Arafat was the current Satan. The Islamic movement was preaching against the PLO and Arafat, and was therefore viewed as an ally.
With the outbreak of the first intifada in 1987, the Islamic movement officially renamed itself Hamas (Arabic initials of “Islamic Resistance Movement”) and joined the fight. Even then, the Shin-Bet took no action against them for almost a year, while Fatah members were executed or imprisoned in large numbers. Only after a year, were Sheikh Ahmed Yassin and his colleagues also arrested.
Since then the wheel has turned. Hamas has now become the current Satan, and the PLO is considered by many in Israel almost as a branch of the Zionist organization. The logical conclusion for an Israeli government seeking peace would have been to make wide-ranging concessions to the Fatah leadership: ending of the occupation, signing of a peace treaty, foundation of the State of Palestine, withdrawal to the 1967 borders, a reasonable solution of the refugee problem, release of all Palestinian prisoners. That would have arrested the rise of Hamas for sure.
But logic has little influence on politics. Nothing of this sort happened. On the contrary, after the murder of Arafat, Ariel Sharon declared that Mahmoud Abbas, who took his place, was a “plucked chicken”. Abbas was not allowed the slightest political achievement. The negotiations, under American auspices, became a joke. The most authentic Fatah leader, Marwan Barghouti, was sent to prison for life. Instead of a massive prisoner release, there were petty and insulting “gestures”.
Abbas was systematically humiliated, Fatah looked like an empty shell and Hamas won a resounding victory in the Palestinian election – the most democratic election ever held in the Arab world. Israel boycotted the elected government. In the ensuing internal struggle, Hamas assumed direct control over the Gaza Strip.
And now, after all this, the government of Israel decided to “liquidate Hamas rule in Gaza” – with blood, fire and columns of smoke.
* * *
THE OFFICIAL NAME of the war is “Cast Lead”, two words from a children’s song about a Hanukkah toy.
It would be more accurate to call it “the the Election War”.
In the past, too, military action has been taken during election campaigns. Menachem Begin bombed the Iraqi nuclear reactor during the 1981 campaign. When Shimon Peres claimed that this was an election gimmick, Begin cried out at his next rally: “Jews, do you believe that I would send our brave boys to their death or, worse, to be taken prisoner by human animals, in order to win an election?” Begin won.
Peres is no Begin. When, during the 1996 election campaign, he ordered the invasion of Lebanon (operation “Grapes of Wrath”), everybody was convinced that he had done it for electoral gain. The war was a failure and Peres lost the elections and Binyamin Netanyahu came to power.
Barak and Tzipi Livni are now resorting to the same old trick. According to the polls, Barak’s predicted election result rose within 48 hours by five Knesset seats. About 80 dead Palestinians for each seat. But it is difficult to walk on a pile of dead bodies. The success may evaporate in a minute if the war comes to be considered by the Israeli public as a failure. For example, if the rockets continue to hit Beersheba, or if the ground attack leads to heavy Israeli casualties.
The timing was chosen meticulously from another angle too. The attack started two days after Christmas, when American and European leaders are on holiday until after New Year. The calculation: even if somebody wanted to try and stop the war, no one would give up his holiday. That ensured several days free from outside pressures.
Another reason for the timing: these are George Bush’s last days in the White House. This blood-soaked moron could be expected to support the war enthusiastically, as indeed he did. Barack Obama has not yet entered office and had a ready made pretext for keeping silent: “there is only one President”. The silence does not bode well for the term of president Obama.
* * *
THE MAIN LINE was: not to repeat the mistakes of Lebanon War II. This was endlessly repeated on all the news programs and talk shows.
This does not change the fact: the Gaza War is an almost exact replica of the second Lebanon war.
The strategic concept is the same: to terrorize the civilian population by unremitting attacks from the air, sowing death and destruction. This poses no danger to the pilots, since the Palestinians have no anti-aircraft weapons at all. The calculation: if the entire life-supporting infrastructure in the Strip is utterly destroyed and total anarchy ensues, the population will rise up and overthrow the Hamas regime. Mahmoud Abbas will then ride back into Gaza on the back of Israeli tanks.
In Lebanon, this calculation did not work out. The bombed population, including the Christians, rallied behind Hizbullah, and Hassan Nasrallah became the hero of the Arab world. Something similar will probably happen this time, too. Generals are experts on using weapons and moving troops, not on mass psychology.
Some time ago I wrote that the Gaza blockade was a scientific experiment designed to find out how much one can starve a population and turn its life into hell before they break. This experiment was conducted with the generous help of Europe and the US. Up to now, it did not succeed. Hamas became stronger and the range of the Qassams became longer. The present war is a continuation of the experiment by other means.
It may be that the army will “have no alternative” but to re-conquer the Gaza Strip because there is no other way to stop the Qassams – except coming to an agreement with Hamas, which is contrary to government policy. When the ground invasion starts, everything will depend on the motivation and capabilities of the Hamas fighters vis-à-vis the Israeli soldiers. Nobody can know what will happen.
* * *
DAY AFTER DAY, night after night, Aljazeera’s Arabic channel broadcasts the atrocious pictures: heaps of mutilated bodies, tearful relatives looking for their dear ones among the dozens of corpses spread out on the ground, a woman pulling her young daughter from under the rubble, doctors without medicines trying to save the lives of the wounded. (The English-language Aljazeera, unlike its Arab-language sister-station, has undergone an amazing about face, broadcasting only a sanitized picture and freely distributing Israeli government propaganda. It would be interesting to know what happened there.)
Millions are seeing these terrible images, picture after picture, day after day. These images are imprinted on their minds forever: horrible Israel, abominable Israel, inhuman Israel. A whole generation of haters. That is a terrible price, which we will be compelled to pay long after the other results of the war itself have been forgotten in Israel.
But there is another thing that is being imprinted on the minds of these millions: the picture of the miserable, corrupt, passive Arab regimes.
As seen by Arabs, one fact stands out above all others: the wall of shame.
For the million and a half Arabs in Gaza, who are suffering so terribly, the only opening to the world that is not dominated by Israel is the border with Egypt. Only from there can food arrive to sustain life and medicaments to save the injured. This border remains closed at the height of the horror. The Egyptian army has blocked the only way for food and medicines to enter, while surgeons operate on the wounded without anesthetics.
Throughout the Arab world, from end to end, there echoed the words of Hassan Nasrallah: The leaders of Egypt are accomplices to the crime, they are collaborating with the “Zionist enemy” in trying to break the Palestinian people. It can be assumed that he did not mean only Mubarak, but also all the other leaders, from the king of Saudi Arabia to the Palestinian President. Seeing the demonstrations throughout the Arab world and listening to the slogans, one gets the impression that their leaders seem to many Arabs pathetic at best, and miserable collaborators at worst.
This will have historic consequences. A whole generation of Arab leaders, a generation imbued with the ideology of secular Arab nationalism, the successors of Gamal Abd-al-Nasser, Hafez al-Assad and Yasser Arafat, may be swept from the stage. In the Arab space, the only viable alternative is the ideology of Islamic fundamentalism.
This war is a writing on the wall: Israel is missing the historic chance of making peace with secular Arab nationalism. Tomorrow, It may be faced with a uniformly fundamentalist Arab world, Hamas multiplied by a thousand.
MY TAXI DRIVER in Tel-Aviv the other day was thinking aloud: Why not call up the sons of the ministers and members of the Knesset, form them into a combat unit and send them off to head the coming ground attack on Gaza?
Uri Avnery is an Israeli writer and peace activist with Gush Shalom. He is a contributor to CounterPunch's book The Politics of Anti-Semitism.
January 2 - 4, 2009
How Israel is Multiplying Hamas by a Thousand
Molten Lead in Gaza
By URI AVNERY
EJUST AFTER MIDNIGHT, Aljazeera’s Arabic channel was reporting on events in Gaza. Suddenly the camera was pointing upwards towards the dark sky. The screen was pitch black. Nothing could be seen, but there was a sound to be heard: the noise of airplanes, a frightening, a terrifying droning.
It was impossible not to think about the tens of thousands of Gazan children who were hearing that sound at that moment, cringing with fright, paralyzed by fear, waiting for the bombs to fall.
* * *
“ISRAEL MUST defend itself against the rockets that are terrorizing our Southern towns,” the Israeli spokesmen explained. “Palestinians must respond to the killing of their fighters inside the Gaza Strip,” the Hamas spokesmen declared.
As a matter of fact, the cease-fire did not collapse, because there was no real cease-fire to start with. The main requirement for any cease-fire in the Gaza Strip must be the opening of the border crossings. There can be no life in Gaza without a steady flow of supplies. But the crossings were not opened, except for a few hours now and again. The blockade on land, on sea and in the air against a million and a half human beings is an act of war, as much as any dropping of bombs or launching of rockets. It paralyzes life in the Gaza Strip: eliminating most sources of employment, pushing hundreds of thousands to the brink of starvation, stopping most hospitals from functioning, disrupting the supply of electricity and water.
Those who decided to close the crossings – under whatever pretext – knew that there is no real cease-fire under these conditions.
That is the main thing. Then there came the small provocations which were designed to get Hamas to react. After several months, in which hardly any Qassam rockets were launched, an army unit was sent into the Strip “in order to destroy a tunnel that came close to the border fence”. From a purely military point of view, it would have made more sense to lay an ambush on our side of the fence. But the aim was to find a pretext for the termination of the cease-fire, in a way that made it plausible to put the blame on the Palestinians. And indeed, after several such small actions, in which Hamas fighters were killed, Hamas retaliated with a massive launch of rockets, and – lo and behold – the cease-fire was at an end. Everybody blamed Hamas.
* * *
WHAT WAS THE AIM? Tzipi Livni announced it openly: to liquidate Hamas rule in Gaza. The Qassams served only as a pretext.
Liquidate Hamas rule? That sounds like a chapter out of “The March of Folly”. After all, it is no secret that it was the Israeli government which set up Hamas to start with. When I once asked a former Shin-Bet chief, Yaakov Peri, about it, he answered enigmatically: “We did not create it, but we did not hinder its creation.”
For years, the occupation authorities favored the Islamic movement in the occupied territories. All other political activities were rigorously suppressed, but their activities in the mosques were permitted. The calculation was simple and naive: at the time, the PLO was considered the main enemy, Yasser Arafat was the current Satan. The Islamic movement was preaching against the PLO and Arafat, and was therefore viewed as an ally.
With the outbreak of the first intifada in 1987, the Islamic movement officially renamed itself Hamas (Arabic initials of “Islamic Resistance Movement”) and joined the fight. Even then, the Shin-Bet took no action against them for almost a year, while Fatah members were executed or imprisoned in large numbers. Only after a year, were Sheikh Ahmed Yassin and his colleagues also arrested.
Since then the wheel has turned. Hamas has now become the current Satan, and the PLO is considered by many in Israel almost as a branch of the Zionist organization. The logical conclusion for an Israeli government seeking peace would have been to make wide-ranging concessions to the Fatah leadership: ending of the occupation, signing of a peace treaty, foundation of the State of Palestine, withdrawal to the 1967 borders, a reasonable solution of the refugee problem, release of all Palestinian prisoners. That would have arrested the rise of Hamas for sure.
But logic has little influence on politics. Nothing of this sort happened. On the contrary, after the murder of Arafat, Ariel Sharon declared that Mahmoud Abbas, who took his place, was a “plucked chicken”. Abbas was not allowed the slightest political achievement. The negotiations, under American auspices, became a joke. The most authentic Fatah leader, Marwan Barghouti, was sent to prison for life. Instead of a massive prisoner release, there were petty and insulting “gestures”.
Abbas was systematically humiliated, Fatah looked like an empty shell and Hamas won a resounding victory in the Palestinian election – the most democratic election ever held in the Arab world. Israel boycotted the elected government. In the ensuing internal struggle, Hamas assumed direct control over the Gaza Strip.
And now, after all this, the government of Israel decided to “liquidate Hamas rule in Gaza” – with blood, fire and columns of smoke.
* * *
THE OFFICIAL NAME of the war is “Cast Lead”, two words from a children’s song about a Hanukkah toy.
It would be more accurate to call it “the the Election War”.
In the past, too, military action has been taken during election campaigns. Menachem Begin bombed the Iraqi nuclear reactor during the 1981 campaign. When Shimon Peres claimed that this was an election gimmick, Begin cried out at his next rally: “Jews, do you believe that I would send our brave boys to their death or, worse, to be taken prisoner by human animals, in order to win an election?” Begin won.
Peres is no Begin. When, during the 1996 election campaign, he ordered the invasion of Lebanon (operation “Grapes of Wrath”), everybody was convinced that he had done it for electoral gain. The war was a failure and Peres lost the elections and Binyamin Netanyahu came to power.
Barak and Tzipi Livni are now resorting to the same old trick. According to the polls, Barak’s predicted election result rose within 48 hours by five Knesset seats. About 80 dead Palestinians for each seat. But it is difficult to walk on a pile of dead bodies. The success may evaporate in a minute if the war comes to be considered by the Israeli public as a failure. For example, if the rockets continue to hit Beersheba, or if the ground attack leads to heavy Israeli casualties.
The timing was chosen meticulously from another angle too. The attack started two days after Christmas, when American and European leaders are on holiday until after New Year. The calculation: even if somebody wanted to try and stop the war, no one would give up his holiday. That ensured several days free from outside pressures.
Another reason for the timing: these are George Bush’s last days in the White House. This blood-soaked moron could be expected to support the war enthusiastically, as indeed he did. Barack Obama has not yet entered office and had a ready made pretext for keeping silent: “there is only one President”. The silence does not bode well for the term of president Obama.
* * *
THE MAIN LINE was: not to repeat the mistakes of Lebanon War II. This was endlessly repeated on all the news programs and talk shows.
This does not change the fact: the Gaza War is an almost exact replica of the second Lebanon war.
The strategic concept is the same: to terrorize the civilian population by unremitting attacks from the air, sowing death and destruction. This poses no danger to the pilots, since the Palestinians have no anti-aircraft weapons at all. The calculation: if the entire life-supporting infrastructure in the Strip is utterly destroyed and total anarchy ensues, the population will rise up and overthrow the Hamas regime. Mahmoud Abbas will then ride back into Gaza on the back of Israeli tanks.
In Lebanon, this calculation did not work out. The bombed population, including the Christians, rallied behind Hizbullah, and Hassan Nasrallah became the hero of the Arab world. Something similar will probably happen this time, too. Generals are experts on using weapons and moving troops, not on mass psychology.
Some time ago I wrote that the Gaza blockade was a scientific experiment designed to find out how much one can starve a population and turn its life into hell before they break. This experiment was conducted with the generous help of Europe and the US. Up to now, it did not succeed. Hamas became stronger and the range of the Qassams became longer. The present war is a continuation of the experiment by other means.
It may be that the army will “have no alternative” but to re-conquer the Gaza Strip because there is no other way to stop the Qassams – except coming to an agreement with Hamas, which is contrary to government policy. When the ground invasion starts, everything will depend on the motivation and capabilities of the Hamas fighters vis-à-vis the Israeli soldiers. Nobody can know what will happen.
* * *
DAY AFTER DAY, night after night, Aljazeera’s Arabic channel broadcasts the atrocious pictures: heaps of mutilated bodies, tearful relatives looking for their dear ones among the dozens of corpses spread out on the ground, a woman pulling her young daughter from under the rubble, doctors without medicines trying to save the lives of the wounded. (The English-language Aljazeera, unlike its Arab-language sister-station, has undergone an amazing about face, broadcasting only a sanitized picture and freely distributing Israeli government propaganda. It would be interesting to know what happened there.)
Millions are seeing these terrible images, picture after picture, day after day. These images are imprinted on their minds forever: horrible Israel, abominable Israel, inhuman Israel. A whole generation of haters. That is a terrible price, which we will be compelled to pay long after the other results of the war itself have been forgotten in Israel.
But there is another thing that is being imprinted on the minds of these millions: the picture of the miserable, corrupt, passive Arab regimes.
As seen by Arabs, one fact stands out above all others: the wall of shame.
For the million and a half Arabs in Gaza, who are suffering so terribly, the only opening to the world that is not dominated by Israel is the border with Egypt. Only from there can food arrive to sustain life and medicaments to save the injured. This border remains closed at the height of the horror. The Egyptian army has blocked the only way for food and medicines to enter, while surgeons operate on the wounded without anesthetics.
Throughout the Arab world, from end to end, there echoed the words of Hassan Nasrallah: The leaders of Egypt are accomplices to the crime, they are collaborating with the “Zionist enemy” in trying to break the Palestinian people. It can be assumed that he did not mean only Mubarak, but also all the other leaders, from the king of Saudi Arabia to the Palestinian President. Seeing the demonstrations throughout the Arab world and listening to the slogans, one gets the impression that their leaders seem to many Arabs pathetic at best, and miserable collaborators at worst.
This will have historic consequences. A whole generation of Arab leaders, a generation imbued with the ideology of secular Arab nationalism, the successors of Gamal Abd-al-Nasser, Hafez al-Assad and Yasser Arafat, may be swept from the stage. In the Arab space, the only viable alternative is the ideology of Islamic fundamentalism.
This war is a writing on the wall: Israel is missing the historic chance of making peace with secular Arab nationalism. Tomorrow, It may be faced with a uniformly fundamentalist Arab world, Hamas multiplied by a thousand.
MY TAXI DRIVER in Tel-Aviv the other day was thinking aloud: Why not call up the sons of the ministers and members of the Knesset, form them into a combat unit and send them off to head the coming ground attack on Gaza?
Uri Avnery is an Israeli writer and peace activist with Gush Shalom. He is a contributor to CounterPunch's book The Politics of Anti-Semitism.
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#984 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!
srecom ima i postenih iskrenih ljudi, i zato ovdje ne govorimo o jevrejskom problemu vec o jebenim cionistima, biznismenima, bankarima, usurers, sataniste i scenaristi Holokausta uz pomoc Hitlera. iskreno se nadam da ce ih pravda stici, i da nece imati nimalo milosti prema njima kao sto to oni cine danas (i kroz decenije).
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#985 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!
Treba striktno razdvojiti cijeli Jevrejski narod od cionisticke politike Izraela,interesnih sfera,biznisemna i ratnih industrija Amerike i Izraela...itd.
I prestanite se ponasati tima..sto ih Hitler nije sviju pobio..jeste normalni uopste.
Pozivati na unistenje cijelog naroda radi bilo ceka,nije opravdanje.
A narod Palestine podrzavam u potpunosti,nadam se da ce imati snage i izdezljivosti da izadju kao pobjednici
I prestanite se ponasati tima..sto ih Hitler nije sviju pobio..jeste normalni uopste.
Pozivati na unistenje cijelog naroda radi bilo ceka,nije opravdanje.
A narod Palestine podrzavam u potpunosti,nadam se da ce imati snage i izdezljivosti da izadju kao pobjednici
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#986 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!
Israel's fait accompli in Gaza
By Eric S. Margolis
There are two completely different versions of what is currently happening in Gaza.
In the Israeli and North American press version, Hamas - 'Islamic terrorists' backed by Iran - have in an unprovoked attack fired deadly rockets on innocent Israel with the intent of destroying the Jewish state.
North American politicians and the media say Israel "has the right to defend itself".
True enough. No Israeli government can tolerate rockets hitting its towns, even though the casualty totals have been less than the car crash fatalities registered during a single holiday weekend on Israel's roads.
The firing of the feeble, home-made al-Qassam rockets by Palestinians is both useless and counter-productive.
It damages their image as an oppressed people and gives right-wing Israeli extremists a perfect reason to launch more attacks on the Arabs and refuse to discuss peace.
Israel's supporters insist it has the absolute right to drop hundreds of tonnes of bombs on 'Hamas targets' inside the 360sq km Gaza Strip to 'take out the terrorists'.
Civilians suffer, says Israel, because the cowardly Hamas hide among them.
Actually, it is more like shooting fish in a barrel.
Omitting facts
As usual, this cartoon-like version of events omits a great deal of nuance and background.
While firing rockets at civilians is a crime so, too, is the Israeli blockade of Gaza, which is an egregious violation of international law and the Geneva Conventions.
According to the UN, most of Gaza's 1.5 million Palestinian refugees subsist near the edge of hunger. Seventy per cent of Palestinian children in Gaza suffer from severe malnutrition and psychological trauma.
Medical facilities are critically short of doctors, personnel, equipment, and drugs. Gaza has quite literally become a human garbage dump for all the Arabs that Israel does not want.
Gaza is one of the world's most-densely populated places, a vast outdoor prison camp filled with desperate people. In the past, they threw stones at their Israeli occupiers; now they launch home-made rockets.
Call it a prison riot, writ large.
Eyeing the elections
When the so-called truce between Tel Aviv and Hamas expired on December 19, Israeli politicians were in the throes of preparing for the February 10 national elections.
Israeli politics are playing a key role in this crisis.
Ehud Barak, the defence minister and leader of the Labour party, and Tzipi Livni, the foreign minister and leader of the Kadima party, are trying to prove themselves tougher than Benjamin Netanyahu's hard-line Likud party - and one another.
Israel's elections are only six weeks away, and Likud was leading until the air raids on Gaza began. Kadima and Labour are now up in the polls.
The heavy attacks on Gaza are also designed to intimidate Israel's Arab neighbours, and make up for Israel's humiliating 2006 defeat in Lebanon, which still haunts the country's politicians and generals.
A fait accompli
When the air raids on Gaza began, Barak said: "We have totally changed the rules of the game."
He was right. By blitzing Hamas-run Gaza, Barak presented the incoming US administration with a fait accompli, and neatly checkmated the newest player in the Middle East Great Game - Barack Obama, the US president-elect - before he could even take a seat at the table.
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The Israeli offensive into Gaza now looks likely to short-circuit any plans Obama might have had to press Israel into withdrawing to its pre-1967 borders and sharing Jerusalem.
This has pleased Israel's supporters in North America who have been cheering the war in Gaza and have been backing away from their earlier tentative support for a land-for-peace deal.
Israel's successes in having Western media portray the Gaza offensive as an 'anti-terrorist operation' will also diminish hopes of peace talks any time soon.
Obama inherits this mess in a few weeks. During the elections, Obama bowed to the Israel lobby, offering a new US carte blanche to Israel and even accepting Israel's permanent monopoly of all of Jerusalem.
As he concludes forming his cabinet, his Middle East team looks like it may be top-heavy with friends of Israel's Labour party.
Obama keeps saying he must remain silent on policy issues until George Bush, the outgoing US president, leaves office, but his staff appear happy to avoid having to make statements about Gaza that would antagonise Israel's American supporters.
Obama will take office facing a Middle East up in arms over Gaza and the entire Muslim world blaming the US for the carnage in Gaza.
Unless he moves swiftly to distance himself from the policies of the Bush administration, he will soon find himself facing the same problems and anger as the Bush White House.
Arab deal killed
Israel's Gaza offensive is also likely to torpedo the current Saudi-sponsored peace plan, which had been backed by all members of the Arab League.
The plan, now likely defunct, had called for Israel to withdraw to its 1967 borders and share Jerusalem in exchange for full recognition and normalised relations with the Muslim world.
Arab governments will now be unable to sell the deal as they face a storm of criticism from their own people over their powerlessness to help the Palestinians of Gaza.
Egypt, in particular, is being widely accused of collaborating with Israel in further sealing off and isolating Gaza. It seems highly unlikely they will be able to advance a peace plan with Israel for now.
This is a bonus for right-wing Israelis, who have always been dead set against any withdrawal and strongly supported the attack on Gaza.
Other Israeli factions who were always lukewarm about the Saudi peace plan are now unlikely to reconsider it.
Israel's security establishment is committed to preventing the creation of a viable Palestinian state, and refuses to negotiate with Hamas. Unable to kill all of Hamas' men, Israel is slowly destroying Gaza's infrastructure around them, as it did to Yasser Arafat's PLO.
Israel's hardliners point to Gaza and claim that any Palestinian state on the West Bank would threaten their nation's security by firing rockets into Israel's heartland.
Mighty information machine
Israel is confident that its mighty information machine will allow it to weather the storm of worldwide outrage over its Biblical punishment of Gaza. Who remembers Israel's flattening of parts of the Palestinian city of Jenin, or the US destruction in Falluja, Iraq, or the Sabra and Shatilla massacres in Beirut?
Though the torment of Gaza is seen across the horrified Muslim world as a modern version of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising by Jews against the Nazis during World War Two, Western governments still appear bent on taking no action.
Though Israel's use of American weapons against Gaza violates the US Arms Export Control and Foreign Assistance Acts, the docile US Congress will remain mute.
Israel's assault on Gaza was clearly timed for America's interregnum between administrations and the year-end holidays, a well-used Israeli tactic.
Hamas refuses to recognise Israel as long as Israel refuses to recognise Hamas and the rights of millions of homeless Palestinian refugees.
It calls for a non-religious state to be created in Palestine, meaning an end to Zionism. Ironically, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the founder and late leader of Hamas, had spoken of a compromise with Tel Aviv shortly before he was assassinated by Israel in 2004.
An inherited mess
Israel's hopes that it can bomb Gazans into rejecting Hamas are as ill-conceived as its failed attempt in 2006 to blast Lebanon into rejecting Hezbollah.
The Fatah regime on the West Bank installed by the US and Israel after Yasser Arafat's suspicious death will be further discredited, leaving the militants of Hamas as the sole authentic voice of Palestinian nationalism.
Hamas, the militant but still democratically elected government of Gaza, is even less likely to compromise.
The Muslim world is in a rage. But so what? Stalin liked to say "the dogs bark, and the caravan moves on," and as long as the US gives Israel carte blanche, it can do just about anything it wants.
The tragedy of Palestine will thus continue to poison US relations with the Muslim world.
Those Americans who still do not understand why their nation was attacked on 9/11 need only look to Gaza, for which the US is now being blamed as much as Israel.
Unless Israel can make 5 to 7 million Palestinians disappear, it must find some way to co-exist with them. Israeli leaders on the centre and right continue to avoid facing this fact.
The brutal collective punishment inflicted on Gaza will likely strengthen Hamas and reverse any hopes of a Middle East peace in the coming years.
Eric S. Margolis is an author, syndicated foreign affairs columnist, broadcaster, and veteran war correspondent. His latest book is American Raj: America and the Muslim world.
By Eric S. Margolis
There are two completely different versions of what is currently happening in Gaza.
In the Israeli and North American press version, Hamas - 'Islamic terrorists' backed by Iran - have in an unprovoked attack fired deadly rockets on innocent Israel with the intent of destroying the Jewish state.
North American politicians and the media say Israel "has the right to defend itself".
True enough. No Israeli government can tolerate rockets hitting its towns, even though the casualty totals have been less than the car crash fatalities registered during a single holiday weekend on Israel's roads.
The firing of the feeble, home-made al-Qassam rockets by Palestinians is both useless and counter-productive.
It damages their image as an oppressed people and gives right-wing Israeli extremists a perfect reason to launch more attacks on the Arabs and refuse to discuss peace.
Israel's supporters insist it has the absolute right to drop hundreds of tonnes of bombs on 'Hamas targets' inside the 360sq km Gaza Strip to 'take out the terrorists'.
Civilians suffer, says Israel, because the cowardly Hamas hide among them.
Actually, it is more like shooting fish in a barrel.
Omitting facts
As usual, this cartoon-like version of events omits a great deal of nuance and background.
While firing rockets at civilians is a crime so, too, is the Israeli blockade of Gaza, which is an egregious violation of international law and the Geneva Conventions.
According to the UN, most of Gaza's 1.5 million Palestinian refugees subsist near the edge of hunger. Seventy per cent of Palestinian children in Gaza suffer from severe malnutrition and psychological trauma.
Medical facilities are critically short of doctors, personnel, equipment, and drugs. Gaza has quite literally become a human garbage dump for all the Arabs that Israel does not want.
Gaza is one of the world's most-densely populated places, a vast outdoor prison camp filled with desperate people. In the past, they threw stones at their Israeli occupiers; now they launch home-made rockets.
Call it a prison riot, writ large.
Eyeing the elections
When the so-called truce between Tel Aviv and Hamas expired on December 19, Israeli politicians were in the throes of preparing for the February 10 national elections.
Israeli politics are playing a key role in this crisis.
Ehud Barak, the defence minister and leader of the Labour party, and Tzipi Livni, the foreign minister and leader of the Kadima party, are trying to prove themselves tougher than Benjamin Netanyahu's hard-line Likud party - and one another.
Israel's elections are only six weeks away, and Likud was leading until the air raids on Gaza began. Kadima and Labour are now up in the polls.
The heavy attacks on Gaza are also designed to intimidate Israel's Arab neighbours, and make up for Israel's humiliating 2006 defeat in Lebanon, which still haunts the country's politicians and generals.
A fait accompli
When the air raids on Gaza began, Barak said: "We have totally changed the rules of the game."
He was right. By blitzing Hamas-run Gaza, Barak presented the incoming US administration with a fait accompli, and neatly checkmated the newest player in the Middle East Great Game - Barack Obama, the US president-elect - before he could even take a seat at the table.
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The Israeli offensive into Gaza now looks likely to short-circuit any plans Obama might have had to press Israel into withdrawing to its pre-1967 borders and sharing Jerusalem.
This has pleased Israel's supporters in North America who have been cheering the war in Gaza and have been backing away from their earlier tentative support for a land-for-peace deal.
Israel's successes in having Western media portray the Gaza offensive as an 'anti-terrorist operation' will also diminish hopes of peace talks any time soon.
Obama inherits this mess in a few weeks. During the elections, Obama bowed to the Israel lobby, offering a new US carte blanche to Israel and even accepting Israel's permanent monopoly of all of Jerusalem.
As he concludes forming his cabinet, his Middle East team looks like it may be top-heavy with friends of Israel's Labour party.
Obama keeps saying he must remain silent on policy issues until George Bush, the outgoing US president, leaves office, but his staff appear happy to avoid having to make statements about Gaza that would antagonise Israel's American supporters.
Obama will take office facing a Middle East up in arms over Gaza and the entire Muslim world blaming the US for the carnage in Gaza.
Unless he moves swiftly to distance himself from the policies of the Bush administration, he will soon find himself facing the same problems and anger as the Bush White House.
Arab deal killed
Israel's Gaza offensive is also likely to torpedo the current Saudi-sponsored peace plan, which had been backed by all members of the Arab League.
The plan, now likely defunct, had called for Israel to withdraw to its 1967 borders and share Jerusalem in exchange for full recognition and normalised relations with the Muslim world.
Arab governments will now be unable to sell the deal as they face a storm of criticism from their own people over their powerlessness to help the Palestinians of Gaza.
Egypt, in particular, is being widely accused of collaborating with Israel in further sealing off and isolating Gaza. It seems highly unlikely they will be able to advance a peace plan with Israel for now.
This is a bonus for right-wing Israelis, who have always been dead set against any withdrawal and strongly supported the attack on Gaza.
Other Israeli factions who were always lukewarm about the Saudi peace plan are now unlikely to reconsider it.
Israel's security establishment is committed to preventing the creation of a viable Palestinian state, and refuses to negotiate with Hamas. Unable to kill all of Hamas' men, Israel is slowly destroying Gaza's infrastructure around them, as it did to Yasser Arafat's PLO.
Israel's hardliners point to Gaza and claim that any Palestinian state on the West Bank would threaten their nation's security by firing rockets into Israel's heartland.
Mighty information machine
Israel is confident that its mighty information machine will allow it to weather the storm of worldwide outrage over its Biblical punishment of Gaza. Who remembers Israel's flattening of parts of the Palestinian city of Jenin, or the US destruction in Falluja, Iraq, or the Sabra and Shatilla massacres in Beirut?
Though the torment of Gaza is seen across the horrified Muslim world as a modern version of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising by Jews against the Nazis during World War Two, Western governments still appear bent on taking no action.
Though Israel's use of American weapons against Gaza violates the US Arms Export Control and Foreign Assistance Acts, the docile US Congress will remain mute.
Israel's assault on Gaza was clearly timed for America's interregnum between administrations and the year-end holidays, a well-used Israeli tactic.
Hamas refuses to recognise Israel as long as Israel refuses to recognise Hamas and the rights of millions of homeless Palestinian refugees.
It calls for a non-religious state to be created in Palestine, meaning an end to Zionism. Ironically, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the founder and late leader of Hamas, had spoken of a compromise with Tel Aviv shortly before he was assassinated by Israel in 2004.
An inherited mess
Israel's hopes that it can bomb Gazans into rejecting Hamas are as ill-conceived as its failed attempt in 2006 to blast Lebanon into rejecting Hezbollah.
The Fatah regime on the West Bank installed by the US and Israel after Yasser Arafat's suspicious death will be further discredited, leaving the militants of Hamas as the sole authentic voice of Palestinian nationalism.
Hamas, the militant but still democratically elected government of Gaza, is even less likely to compromise.
The Muslim world is in a rage. But so what? Stalin liked to say "the dogs bark, and the caravan moves on," and as long as the US gives Israel carte blanche, it can do just about anything it wants.
The tragedy of Palestine will thus continue to poison US relations with the Muslim world.
Those Americans who still do not understand why their nation was attacked on 9/11 need only look to Gaza, for which the US is now being blamed as much as Israel.
Unless Israel can make 5 to 7 million Palestinians disappear, it must find some way to co-exist with them. Israeli leaders on the centre and right continue to avoid facing this fact.
The brutal collective punishment inflicted on Gaza will likely strengthen Hamas and reverse any hopes of a Middle East peace in the coming years.
Eric S. Margolis is an author, syndicated foreign affairs columnist, broadcaster, and veteran war correspondent. His latest book is American Raj: America and the Muslim world.
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#987 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!
dragi prijatelju, ja nemam nista protiv tebe (za razliku od Renatte koja je pokazala svoje pravo lice), ne zelim nikakvo zlo niti jednom postenom covjeku na svijetu, prema tome ni jevrejima u Izraelu i sire. ono sto me iritira jeste saznanje da smo kroz cijelu historiju magarceni od strane sakice mocnih i zlih skupina, od kojih je cionisticka glava i korijen, usudjujem se reci, cijele svjetske tragedije kroz nekoliko stoljeca. sve je to prekriveno slobodom, voljom za zivot, demokratijom (koja, da ponovim, NE POSTOJI) itd. putem medija nam predstavljaju od strane njihovih protivnika najgore osobine koje se direktno kose sa "nasim" nacelima, poput totalitarnog rezima u Iranu (koji se kroz malo obrazovanja, ispostavlja kao daleko humanija varijanta od nase). palestinci su teroristi i zaostali (jer njihova vjerska nacela distanciraju od kapitalistickih principa), kompletan Srednji Istok je teroristicki nastrojen jer vole svoju vjeru i zele zdravo drustvo (koje mi mislimo da imamo ali ni to nije tacno, to je samo iluzija koju zaglupljela masa ne vidi).ostro i na prvu wrote:@_veleposlanik ,koliko hamas ima odgovornosti za stanje u gazi ?
pozivam te da dodjes u izrael i budes moj gost i da vidis malo stvari izbliza i iz prve ruke .
kompletna ova slika, cijela covjecija historija koja nas je dovela do ovakve panorame, ima svoje aktere koji su, ovog puta, iza zavjese, zasticeni svojim laznim semitizmom, raznim izmisljenim pricama o Holokaustu poput ove najnovije: HERMAN ROSENBLAT'S LIE, ili dnevnika Anne Frank koja je dokazana prevara sa svih mogucih aspekata, kao i cinjenica da je sa 12 miliona "ubijenih" oficijelna cifra spala na manje od 4 (a meni vjerodostojni historicari govore i o manje od 1 milion, sto je i dalje tragedija - da ne bude zabune - ali zasto da javno ne ispostavimo manipulaciju i politizaciju te tragedije?)... mnogi relevantni ljudi koji pisu, istrazuju i govore o tome bivaju liseni slobode (u svijetu slobode govora - paradox), dok Sharon i njemu slicni zabranjuju palestinskom stanovnistvu upotrebu rijeci NAKBA ("Holokaust" nad vise stotina hiljada palestinaca)...
cijeli svijet pjeva cionisticke pjesme, svi smo dio njihove nametnute "kulture" - odnosno nedostatak kulture i vjere - samo briga za sobom, za materijalizmom, i sposobni da uz rucak na vijestima gledamo prolivenu krv na stotine razlicitih ratista po svijetu i gladnu djecu sa sve manje gadjenja... onaj, koji se protivi takvom sistemu, bilo na kapitalistickom ili vjerskom planu, biva automatski ubacen u grupu osovine zla, te se uz pomoc medijske lavine javno mijenje oblikuje prema zeljenim interesima (imamo primjer Venecuele i Kube, pored Islamskog svijeta)... svijet je daleko od bajki koje nam mediji prezentiraju, daleko od predsjednickih nafilovanih govora.
sa ovakvom panoramom, oko koje se sigurno ne slazemo, kako zelis da me uvjeris da je Hamas prvi poceo, da je Hamas kriv za sve?
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#988 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!
De ti meni kazi kolko si metara tudje zemlje dobio,i vidim cesto tabiris kako najbolje poznajes situaciju dole.Oštri moj,bolje bi ti bilo da si se uhvatio gasonjere u Sa nego citave kuce na tudjoj zemlji....ostro i na prvu wrote:neturei karta ,hm
ovi vise mrze drzavu izrael neko hamas .
ovo su ahmenidijadovi haveri.
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_veleposlanik
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#989 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!
zasto li su ovi ljudi etiketirani kao extremisti? (valjda jer im look ne odgovara...)
politiku, pravila i pravdu definisu pobjednici - a ti su danasnji cionisti i liberalci bez mnogo materijala u glavi...
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#990 Re: o ratu u Palestini??- zna li neko
Samo me interesuje ko li bira te vlasti... 
izadje 3 miliona na proteste podrske Palestini,i onda opet izaberu istu vlast...interesantno
izadje 3 miliona na proteste podrske Palestini,i onda opet izaberu istu vlast...interesantno
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Liberalism
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#991 Re: o ratu u Palestini??- zna li neko
USA godisnje daje 5 milijardi dolara Egipatskoj vladi za neutralnost u Izraelsko - Palestinskom konfliktu...
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#992 Re: o ratu u Palestini??- zna li neko
a mene zanima zasto se sirija ne ukljuci i oni iz libana
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Soul_Sista
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#993 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!
Upravo citam intervju sa Norveskim ljekarom Madsom Gilbertom koji se trenutno nalazi u Al-Shifa bolnici u Gazi i ono sto je on vidio svojim ocima od 31. decembra opisuje kao nesto sto sve vise lici na pokolj nego ista drugo. Opisuje stanje civila kao gore i od Afganistana i Bejruta jer je Gaza toliko malena da se civilnom stanovnistvu tesko sakriti i mimoici ove napade sa strane Izraela.
Mozemo misliti sta god hocemo o Hamasu ali mislim da je gnjev toliki kod Palestinaca da ce ih samo vise podrzati. Boga pitaj sta se valja iza brda..
Mozemo misliti sta god hocemo o Hamasu ali mislim da je gnjev toliki kod Palestinaca da ce ih samo vise podrzati. Boga pitaj sta se valja iza brda..
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#994 Re: o ratu u Palestini??- zna li neko
Sirija da se ukljuci
Dobili su ultimatum da se povuku iz Libanona,i ultimatum je glasio za 10 dana,sirijska vojska se povukla za 6 dana,toliko o njihovom karakteru,mada istini za volju dobili su i vise milijardi USD za tu brzinu povlacenja.
Tamo jedino ko daje kakvu takvu ravnotezu je Iran..sve druge zemlje su talasika,i to nevjerevatna talasika
Dobili su ultimatum da se povuku iz Libanona,i ultimatum je glasio za 10 dana,sirijska vojska se povukla za 6 dana,toliko o njihovom karakteru,mada istini za volju dobili su i vise milijardi USD za tu brzinu povlacenja.
Tamo jedino ko daje kakvu takvu ravnotezu je Iran..sve druge zemlje su talasika,i to nevjerevatna talasika
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#995 Re: o ratu u Palestini??- zna li neko
pa sta puse ki** svi onda sto se ne usute ko jordan
i mirna planeta koji ku*** svi glumataju vise....
ne zelim da sirim pricu ali sta bi bilo da SRBIJA srbe s kosova drzi u rezervatu ili iz krajine
ili da hrvatska drzi izbjeglice iz posavine u rezervatima ko nacin pritiska na RS i RS
VOJNOG rjesenja nema ne znam sta vise pokusavaju i jedni i drugi
i mirna planeta koji ku*** svi glumataju vise....
ne zelim da sirim pricu ali sta bi bilo da SRBIJA srbe s kosova drzi u rezervatu ili iz krajine
ili da hrvatska drzi izbjeglice iz posavine u rezervatima ko nacin pritiska na RS i RS
VOJNOG rjesenja nema ne znam sta vise pokusavaju i jedni i drugi
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#996 Re: o ratu u Palestini??- zna li neko
da a tamo cvjeta demokratija i pravda-LIBERO- wrote:Samo me interesuje ko li bira te vlasti...
izadje 3 miliona na proteste podrske Palestini,i onda opet izaberu istu vlast...interesantno
eno u Egiptu vlast nasrnula na vlastito stanovnistvo,njihova greska-izasli na proteste podrske Palestini!!
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#997 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!
Mislim da bi neke diskutante ovdje trebalo uputiti na naslov teme.
Teme o izraelsko-palestinskom pitanju mimo ove postoje i o njima se moze diskutirati uvijek, ali ovdje imamo zlocine, teska krsenja medjunarodnih konvencija, masakr, jedno sadisticko izivljavanje koje je u sustini samo sebi svrha, a neko ovdje sebi daje za pravo da opravdava zlocin koji je tema ovdje drugim zlocinom.
Hamas nije pocinio ovaj zlocin koji je tema ovdje, vec Izrael. Preko 400 ljudi, od cega preko 100 djece ubijeno, i kad se sve zbroji sta se time postiglo ???
Iritantno je svakom iole humanom covjeku na temu o zlocinu i masakru slusati necija opravdavanja tih zlocina.
Teme o izraelsko-palestinskom pitanju mimo ove postoje i o njima se moze diskutirati uvijek, ali ovdje imamo zlocine, teska krsenja medjunarodnih konvencija, masakr, jedno sadisticko izivljavanje koje je u sustini samo sebi svrha, a neko ovdje sebi daje za pravo da opravdava zlocin koji je tema ovdje drugim zlocinom.
Hamas nije pocinio ovaj zlocin koji je tema ovdje, vec Izrael. Preko 400 ljudi, od cega preko 100 djece ubijeno, i kad se sve zbroji sta se time postiglo ???
Iritantno je svakom iole humanom covjeku na temu o zlocinu i masakru slusati necija opravdavanja tih zlocina.
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#998 Re: o ratu u Palestini??- zna li neko
Arapski svije da hoće, a neće, i da može, a ne može, Izraela ne bi ni bilo.
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fireman
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#999 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!
Šta da se radi kada Fatah sjedne za sto? Šta je sa golanske visoravni? kontroliranje vodovoda Damasku,napad na Liban, 82 bejrut, odsjecanje sela u palestini i terorisanje civila sve pod izgovorom izolacija terorista,prijatelji moji ovdje niko nema problema sa jevrejima nego sa cionistima koji terorišu čitav svijet preko un-a ,mmf-a i raznoraznih masonskih vlada koji žele da dovrše projekat n.s.p. i globalizacije.Pogledajte kartu prije naseljavanja židova u palestinu!Pročitajte knjigu SIONSKI MUDRACI!
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#1000 Re: o ratu u Palestini??- zna li neko
da, sada je Amerika kriva što svi vole dolare, gramzivci!!! mislim ta priča postaje dosadna.
jednostavno rečeno, neće da im pomognu zbog vlastitih interesa.
žao mi je nedužnih civila, slike i snimke koje svakodnevno gledamo posljednjih nekoliko dana (čitaj: nekoliko decenija!) su poražavajuće za cijeli ljudski rod, za sve narode, za sve države. ali nažalosto postoje "viši interesi" tako da će nam ovakve vijesti iz Gaze i drugih dijelova svijeta još dugo, ako ne i vječno, biti pred očima. samo je novac, nafta, zlato važno! a biće uskoro i pitka voda.
jednostavno rečeno, neće da im pomognu zbog vlastitih interesa.
žao mi je nedužnih civila, slike i snimke koje svakodnevno gledamo posljednjih nekoliko dana (čitaj: nekoliko decenija!) su poražavajuće za cijeli ljudski rod, za sve narode, za sve države. ali nažalosto postoje "viši interesi" tako da će nam ovakve vijesti iz Gaze i drugih dijelova svijeta još dugo, ako ne i vječno, biti pred očima. samo je novac, nafta, zlato važno! a biće uskoro i pitka voda.