Ma lažu ba!Crvena Tifoza wrote:Upalio CNN, i dočeka me priča kako je moguće da je Hamas raktetirao školu UN danas. Svašta. Zvuči poznato.
Isto tako kažu, da Izrael po nekakvim njihovim informacijama vjeruju da je na početku sukoba Hamas imao oko 10 hiljada granata, da su ispalili 6 hiljada i da im je ostalo još oko četiri hiljade.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
- bogoljub
- Posts: 2930
- Joined: 14/03/2008 19:20
- Location: Do you have a room tonight?
#9551 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
-
Crvena Tifoza
- Posts: 12113
- Joined: 06/06/2007 04:47
- Location: kandahar....
#9552 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Uredu za ovo prvo, granatiranje, hoće da se operu.bogoljub wrote:Ma lažu ba!Crvena Tifoza wrote:Upalio CNN, i dočeka me priča kako je moguće da je Hamas raktetirao školu UN danas. Svašta. Zvuči poznato.
Isto tako kažu, da Izrael po nekakvim njihovim informacijama vjeruju da je na početku sukoba Hamas imao oko 10 hiljada granata, da su ispalili 6 hiljada i da im je ostalo još oko četiri hiljade.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Šta je sa ovim drugim? Koliko je realno da je Hamas imao 'samo' toliki broj granata.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
- vatrogasac
- Posts: 10078
- Joined: 24/04/2006 21:33
#9553 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Da nas nisu već navikli da slušamo laži možda bih se i zamislio.bogoljub wrote:Ma lažu ba!Crvena Tifoza wrote:Upalio CNN, i dočeka me priča kako je moguće da je Hamas raktetirao školu UN danas. Svašta. Zvuči poznato.
Isto tako kažu, da Izrael po nekakvim njihovim informacijama vjeruju da je na početku sukoba Hamas imao oko 10 hiljada granata, da su ispalili 6 hiljada i da im je ostalo još oko četiri hiljade.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
- Challenger__
- Posts: 26509
- Joined: 25/03/2012 09:31
- Location: In weiter Ferne, so nah!
- Contact:
#9554 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Moramo znati da zapadna informativna mašinerija koju kolokvijalno zovemo "mainstream media" i nisu sredstva informisanja, nego sredstva formiranja i kreiranja tzv. "javnog mnjenja".
Od njih očekivati istinite vijesti u vezi aktuelne tragedije u Gazi je iluizija.
Od njih očekivati istinite vijesti u vezi aktuelne tragedije u Gazi je iluizija.
- Challenger__
- Posts: 26509
- Joined: 25/03/2012 09:31
- Location: In weiter Ferne, so nah!
- Contact:
#9555 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Urednička politika MSM je determinisana političkom agendom, a ne željom za objektivnim informisanjem.
- Challenger__
- Posts: 26509
- Joined: 25/03/2012 09:31
- Location: In weiter Ferne, so nah!
- Contact:
#9556 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Palestinska zastava na Al-Aksi, prije dva sata:


- mO k3
- Posts: 34082
- Joined: 23/09/2009 14:16
- Location: https://youtu.be/xk7QKTXQGbg
#9558 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
http://www.luftpost-kl.de/luftpost-arch ... 250714.pdf
Netanyahu finally speaks his mind
At his Friday press conference, the prime minister ruled out full Palestinian sover
-
eignty, derided the US approach to Israeli security, and set out his Middle East over
-
view with unprecedented candor. His remarks were not widely reported; they should
be
By David Horovitz
July 13, 2014
Does Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu really support a two-state solution, or is his rhe
-
toric to this effect disingenuous? Did he genuinely seek an accommodation with the Pales
-
tinians during the nine months of US-brokered negotiations that collapsed in April, or was
he just stringing the Americans and the Palestinians along, while his heart is truly with the
settlement enterprise?
These are fundamental questions — questions you’d think Israelis and the watching world
would long since have been able to answer, especially given that Netanyahu is Israel’s se
-
cond-longest serving prime minister ever. In fact, though, while many pundits claim to have
definitive answers, most Israelis would acknowledge that they’ve never been entirely sure
how Netanyahu sees a potential resolution of the Palestinian conflict, which concessions
he’s truly ready to make, what his long-term vision looks like.
But now we know.
The uncertainties were swept aside on Friday afternoon, when the prime minister, for the
first time in ages, gave a press conference on Day Four of Operation Protective Edge.
He spoke only in Hebrew, and we are in the middle of a mini-war, so his non-directly war-
related remarks didn’t get widely reported. But those remarks should not be overlooked
even in the midst of a bitter conflict with Gaza’s Islamist rulers; especially in the midst of a
bitter conflict with Gaza’s Islamist rulers. The prime minister spoke his mind as rarely, if
ever, before. He set out his worldview with the confidence of a leader who sees vindication
in the chaos all around. He answered those fundamental questions.
Netanyahu began his appearance, typically, by reading some prepared remarks. But then,
most atypically, he took a series of questions. And while he initially stuck to responses tied
to the war against Hamas, its goals, and the terms under which it might be halted, he then
moved — unasked — into territory he does not usually chart in public, and certainly not
with such candor.
For some, his overall outlook will seem bleak and depressing; for others, savvy and prag
-
matic. One thing’s for sure: Nobody will ever be able to claim in the future that he didn’t tell
us what he really thinks.
4
/
6
He made explicitly clear that he could never, ever, countenance a fully sovereign Palestini
-
an state in the West Bank. He indicated that he sees Israel standing almost alone on the
frontlines against vicious Islamic radicalism, while the rest of the as-yet free world does its
best not to notice the march of extremism. And he more than intimated that he considers
the current American, John Kerry-led diplomatic team to be, let’s be polite, naive.
Perhaps most reporters switched off after he’d delivered his headlines, making plain that
“no international pressure will prevent us from acting with all force against a terrorist orga
-
nization (Hamas) that seeks to destroy us,” and that Operation Protective Edge would go
on until guaranteed calm was restored to Israel. If they did, they shouldn’t have.
Netanyahu has stressed often in the past that he doesn’t want Israel to become a binatio
-
nal state — implying that he favors some kind of accommodation with and separation from
the Palestinians. But on Friday he made explicit that this could not extend to full Palestini
-
an sovereignty. Why? Because, given the march of Islamic extremism across the Middle
East, he said, Israel simply cannot afford to give up control over the territory immediately
to its east, including the eastern border — that is, the border between Israel and Jordan,
and the West Bank and Jordan.
The priority right now, Netanyahu stressed, was to “take care of Hamas.” But the wider les
-
son of the current escalation was that Israel had to ensure that “we don’t get another Gaza
in Judea and Samaria.” Amid the current conflict, he elaborated, “I think the Israeli people
understand now what I always say: that there cannot be a situation, under any agreement,
in which we relinquish security control of the territory west of the River Jordan.”
Not relinquishing security control west of the Jordan, it should be emphasized, means not
giving a Palestinian entity full sovereignty there. It means not acceding to Mahmoud Ab
-
bas’s demands, to Barack Obama’s demands, to the international community’s demands.
This is not merely demanding a demilitarized Palestine; it is insisting upon ongoing Israeli
security oversight inside and at the borders of the West Bank. That sentence, quite simply,
spells the end to the notion of Netanyahu consenting to the establishment of a Palestinian
state. A less-than-sovereign entity? Maybe, though this will never satisfy the Palestinians
or the international community. A fully sovereign Palestine? Out of the question.
He wasn’t saying that he doesn’t support a two-state solution. He was saying that it’s im
-
possible. This was not a new, dramatic change of stance by the prime minister. It was a
new, dramatic exposition of his long-held stance.
Naming both US Secretary of State John Kerry and his security adviser Gen. John Allen —
who was charged by the secretary to draw up security proposals that the US argued could
enable Israel to withdraw from most of the West Bank, including the Jordan Valley — Ne
-
tanyahu hammered home the point: Never mind what the naive outsiders recommend, “I
told John Kerry and General Allen, the Americans’ expert, ‘We live here, I live here, I know
what we need to ensure the security of Israel’s people.’”
Earlier this spring, Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon sparked a storm in Israel-US ties when
he told a private gathering that the US-Kerry-Allen security proposals weren’t worth the pa
-
per they were written on. Netanyahu on Friday said the same, and more, in public.
Netanyahu didn’t say he was ruling out all territorial compromise, but he did go to some
lengths to highlight the danger of relinquishing what he called “adjacent territory.” He scof
-
fed at those many experts who have argued that holding onto territory for security purpo
-
ses is less critical in the modern technological era, and argued by contrast that the closer
Netanyahu finally speaks his mind
At his Friday press conference, the prime minister ruled out full Palestinian sover
-
eignty, derided the US approach to Israeli security, and set out his Middle East over
-
view with unprecedented candor. His remarks were not widely reported; they should
be
By David Horovitz
July 13, 2014
Does Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu really support a two-state solution, or is his rhe
-
toric to this effect disingenuous? Did he genuinely seek an accommodation with the Pales
-
tinians during the nine months of US-brokered negotiations that collapsed in April, or was
he just stringing the Americans and the Palestinians along, while his heart is truly with the
settlement enterprise?
These are fundamental questions — questions you’d think Israelis and the watching world
would long since have been able to answer, especially given that Netanyahu is Israel’s se
-
cond-longest serving prime minister ever. In fact, though, while many pundits claim to have
definitive answers, most Israelis would acknowledge that they’ve never been entirely sure
how Netanyahu sees a potential resolution of the Palestinian conflict, which concessions
he’s truly ready to make, what his long-term vision looks like.
But now we know.
The uncertainties were swept aside on Friday afternoon, when the prime minister, for the
first time in ages, gave a press conference on Day Four of Operation Protective Edge.
He spoke only in Hebrew, and we are in the middle of a mini-war, so his non-directly war-
related remarks didn’t get widely reported. But those remarks should not be overlooked
even in the midst of a bitter conflict with Gaza’s Islamist rulers; especially in the midst of a
bitter conflict with Gaza’s Islamist rulers. The prime minister spoke his mind as rarely, if
ever, before. He set out his worldview with the confidence of a leader who sees vindication
in the chaos all around. He answered those fundamental questions.
Netanyahu began his appearance, typically, by reading some prepared remarks. But then,
most atypically, he took a series of questions. And while he initially stuck to responses tied
to the war against Hamas, its goals, and the terms under which it might be halted, he then
moved — unasked — into territory he does not usually chart in public, and certainly not
with such candor.
For some, his overall outlook will seem bleak and depressing; for others, savvy and prag
-
matic. One thing’s for sure: Nobody will ever be able to claim in the future that he didn’t tell
us what he really thinks.
4
/
6
He made explicitly clear that he could never, ever, countenance a fully sovereign Palestini
-
an state in the West Bank. He indicated that he sees Israel standing almost alone on the
frontlines against vicious Islamic radicalism, while the rest of the as-yet free world does its
best not to notice the march of extremism. And he more than intimated that he considers
the current American, John Kerry-led diplomatic team to be, let’s be polite, naive.
Perhaps most reporters switched off after he’d delivered his headlines, making plain that
“no international pressure will prevent us from acting with all force against a terrorist orga
-
nization (Hamas) that seeks to destroy us,” and that Operation Protective Edge would go
on until guaranteed calm was restored to Israel. If they did, they shouldn’t have.
Netanyahu has stressed often in the past that he doesn’t want Israel to become a binatio
-
nal state — implying that he favors some kind of accommodation with and separation from
the Palestinians. But on Friday he made explicit that this could not extend to full Palestini
-
an sovereignty. Why? Because, given the march of Islamic extremism across the Middle
East, he said, Israel simply cannot afford to give up control over the territory immediately
to its east, including the eastern border — that is, the border between Israel and Jordan,
and the West Bank and Jordan.
The priority right now, Netanyahu stressed, was to “take care of Hamas.” But the wider les
-
son of the current escalation was that Israel had to ensure that “we don’t get another Gaza
in Judea and Samaria.” Amid the current conflict, he elaborated, “I think the Israeli people
understand now what I always say: that there cannot be a situation, under any agreement,
in which we relinquish security control of the territory west of the River Jordan.”
Not relinquishing security control west of the Jordan, it should be emphasized, means not
giving a Palestinian entity full sovereignty there. It means not acceding to Mahmoud Ab
-
bas’s demands, to Barack Obama’s demands, to the international community’s demands.
This is not merely demanding a demilitarized Palestine; it is insisting upon ongoing Israeli
security oversight inside and at the borders of the West Bank. That sentence, quite simply,
spells the end to the notion of Netanyahu consenting to the establishment of a Palestinian
state. A less-than-sovereign entity? Maybe, though this will never satisfy the Palestinians
or the international community. A fully sovereign Palestine? Out of the question.
He wasn’t saying that he doesn’t support a two-state solution. He was saying that it’s im
-
possible. This was not a new, dramatic change of stance by the prime minister. It was a
new, dramatic exposition of his long-held stance.
Naming both US Secretary of State John Kerry and his security adviser Gen. John Allen —
who was charged by the secretary to draw up security proposals that the US argued could
enable Israel to withdraw from most of the West Bank, including the Jordan Valley — Ne
-
tanyahu hammered home the point: Never mind what the naive outsiders recommend, “I
told John Kerry and General Allen, the Americans’ expert, ‘We live here, I live here, I know
what we need to ensure the security of Israel’s people.’”
Earlier this spring, Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon sparked a storm in Israel-US ties when
he told a private gathering that the US-Kerry-Allen security proposals weren’t worth the pa
-
per they were written on. Netanyahu on Friday said the same, and more, in public.
Netanyahu didn’t say he was ruling out all territorial compromise, but he did go to some
lengths to highlight the danger of relinquishing what he called “adjacent territory.” He scof
-
fed at those many experts who have argued that holding onto territory for security purpo
-
ses is less critical in the modern technological era, and argued by contrast that the closer
-
juventus
- Posts: 1098
- Joined: 26/05/2008 03:03
#9559 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Ko je ovaj Dino Šimunjak, je*em li mu mrtve!? 
- Truba
- Posts: 94233
- Joined: 17/03/2004 09:36
- Location: Vizantija
- Grijem se na: Plin i struju
- Horoskop: Vodolija
- Contact:
#9560 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
gledam sinoć na joutube od idfa klipovi o ulasku u gazu i sprečavanju "pokolja" kad su ubili neke hamasovce
isto kao i u slučaju ostalih neprijatelja amerike
MINORITY report... zločini tuđih nacija u futuru koje se još nisu ni desile treba spriječiti jer bi bili krvavi ( inflitracija 3 hamasovca)
a zločini moje nacije u sadašnjem momentu (od istoka do zapada) su opravdani
hamasovci su nažalost još uvijek na nekom primitivnom nivou što se strategije tiče... ostavili lika s bombama da ih aktivira kad naiđu izraelci kroz vrata... a oni mu s leđa došli zaobišli vrata i ubili ga
isto kao i u slučaju ostalih neprijatelja amerike
MINORITY report... zločini tuđih nacija u futuru koje se još nisu ni desile treba spriječiti jer bi bili krvavi ( inflitracija 3 hamasovca)
a zločini moje nacije u sadašnjem momentu (od istoka do zapada) su opravdani
hamasovci su nažalost još uvijek na nekom primitivnom nivou što se strategije tiče... ostavili lika s bombama da ih aktivira kad naiđu izraelci kroz vrata... a oni mu s leđa došli zaobišli vrata i ubili ga
- mirsek
- Posts: 12966
- Joined: 07/05/2010 15:40
#9561 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Ali ima u tom klipu da lik nije zavrsio postavljanje druge bombe u kuci.Black swan wrote:gledam sinoć na joutube od idfa klipovi o ulasku u gazu i sprečavanju "pokolja" kad su ubili neke hamasovce
isto kao i u slučaju ostalih neprijatelja amerike
MINORITY report... zločini tuđih nacija u futuru koje se još nisu ni desile treba spriječiti jer bi bili krvavi ( inflitracija 3 hamasovca)
a zločini moje nacije u sadašnjem momentu (od istoka do zapada) su opravdani
hamasovci su nažalost još uvijek na nekom primitivnom nivou što se strategije tiče... ostavili lika s bombama da ih aktivira kad naiđu izraelci kroz vrata... a oni mu s leđa došli zaobišli vrata i ubili ga
Vjerovatno ih ih je cuo pa se nabrzinu povukao u zbunje sa daljinskim i jbg. ovi mu dosli sa ledja.
-
iceman2010
- Posts: 4640
- Joined: 08/07/2010 11:36
#9562 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
http://balkans.aljazeera.net/vijesti/pa ... protjerali"Palestinu su, malo po malo, zauzimali Jevreji, koji su imali podršku Britanaca. Prije nego su preuzeli kompletnu Tabariju već su počinili velike masakre u okolnim selima, već se desio makaskr u Deir Yassinu. U stanovnike se uvukao strah, pogotovo zato što su znali da Britanci naoružavaju Jevreje i treniraju Haganah, Irgun i druge grupe, koje su se kasnije transformirale u oružane snage Izraela. Tako je došao dan kada je naređeno Arapima da se isele. Neki su pružali otpor, ali odmah su bili ubijeni", priča Omar.
Šezdeset godina lutanja svijetom
Ali niko, kaže, nije vjerovao da se neće vratiti.
"Mislili su, baš kao i ovdje, početkom rata - to će biti kratko i onda će se vratiti. Moja nena nije čak ni ključeve od kuće ponijela. Sve su ostavili otvoreno. Ljudima u glavu nije moglo stati da su tu živjeli stoljećima i da ih sad neko jednostavno istjeruje. Od povrtaka nije bilo ništa i danas u Tabariji nema nijednog Arapa."
-
iceman2010
- Posts: 4640
- Joined: 08/07/2010 11:36
#9563 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Ma ne gadjaju oni namjerno djecu. Nije istina. To su oni sami sebe.Reporter Al Jazeere Wael al-Dahduh javlja da je na istoku Gaze izraelski snajperista pucao u glavu palestinskog djeteta.
-
iceman2010
- Posts: 4640
- Joined: 08/07/2010 11:36
-
statixx
- Posts: 9927
- Joined: 15/12/2011 14:40
- Location: Sarajevo
#9565 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Ne kontam ovu IDF-ovu taktiku likvidiranja terorista uz prethodno slanje poruke da se napusti objekat.
- Grover
- Posts: 1201
- Joined: 17/03/2008 18:13
#9566 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Ološu ne pada na pamet da Palestinci imaju pravo da se brane:


http://balkans.aljazeera.net/vijesti/de ... ranju-gaze


http://balkans.aljazeera.net/vijesti/de ... ranju-gaze
- Hajvan
- Posts: 9637
- Joined: 25/10/2008 13:21
- Location: SaraJovo
#9567 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Izrael nije Zion.
Izrael je Babilon.
Izrael je Babilon.
-
iceman2010
- Posts: 4640
- Joined: 08/07/2010 11:36
#9568 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Propaganda. Ko fol oni fini. Pa naprave par tih primjera da snimi CNN, pa onda ispadne to pravilo. Samo vidi vraga pobise oko 200 djece. Bezobraznici nisu htjeli da se sklone nakon upozorenja. Mora da je i onaj snajperista upozorio ono dijete da se skloni prije nego ga je upucao u glavu, ili su i ona djeca na plazi bila upozorena da prestanu jako sutirati loptu u pravcu mora jer su tamo Izraelski brodovi...... Ko popusi tu foru o upozoravanju pravo je glup.statixx wrote:Ne kontam ovu IDF-ovu taktiku likvidiranja terorista uz prethodno slanje poruke da se napusti objekat.
- Grover
- Posts: 1201
- Joined: 17/03/2008 18:13
-
iceman2010
- Posts: 4640
- Joined: 08/07/2010 11:36
#9570 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
http://balkans.aljazeera.net/vijesti/uz ... dnoj-obaliIstakao je kako je izraelski snajperista usmrtio i petogodišnju palestinsku djevojčicu Velid el-Harazin pogodivši je u potiljak glave.
-
Eek-A-Mouse
- Posts: 430
- Joined: 23/07/2014 20:52
- Location: Leglo pravih muzijaka
#9571 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Jevrejski klosarluk,genocidluk i sta sve ne.
Represija stanovnistva u svakom pogledu.
Represija stanovnistva u svakom pogledu.
-
mmaar
- Posts: 1704
- Joined: 21/07/2012 17:12
- Location: eNtabliran u krugu od 180 stepeni
#9572 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Navodno do sad preko 70 djecoubica uklonjeno i to od najnesposobnije i najneorganizovanije naoruzane grupe na svijetu. To samo pokazuje da im je pravi otpor uz malo organizovanosti i pameti itekako moguc. Sta bi im bilo da se suoce sa pravom vojskom ili bar ponovo sa grupom dobro organizovanih i obucenih boraca kakav je Hezbulah, koji je sigurno sad mocniji i sposobniji neko kad ih je zadnji put isprasio. Nema vecih kukavica na svijetu od cionistickih, a ni omrazenijih. Sve sto su sposobni jeste ubijati i i zivljavati se nad djecom. Jos sanjaju o napadu na Iran

- Truba
- Posts: 94233
- Joined: 17/03/2004 09:36
- Location: Vizantija
- Grijem se na: Plin i struju
- Horoskop: Vodolija
- Contact:
#9573 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
definitivno su karina od vojske
pa da rat traje duže vremena... npr 4 godine... izginulo bi ih more
pa da rat traje duže vremena... npr 4 godine... izginulo bi ih more
- and
- Posts: 8178
- Joined: 04/09/2007 22:51
#9574 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
koja je svrha postojanja un-a?zašto se ne ukinu?
a i ovi palestinci imaju komšiluk,svaka čast.kad pogledaš kartu i vidiš gdje je taj izrael i koje su zemlje okolo,sramota.
a i ovi palestinci imaju komšiluk,svaka čast.kad pogledaš kartu i vidiš gdje je taj izrael i koje su zemlje okolo,sramota.


