Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!

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#951 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!

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scooter21ba wrote:ali slucajno nisi
zaboravljamo da se uvijek ama bas uvijek vode ratovi
znamo da ovaj najduze traje
a niko nije pricao o ruandi o sri lanki o kolumbiji o onim kmerima o pitaj boga ko sve jos ne ratuje
Ma samo ti o cemu god hoces.

Sva sreca da nisam. :wink:
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#952 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!

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Latina wrote:
scooter21ba wrote:ali slucajno nisi
zaboravljamo da se uvijek ama bas uvijek vode ratovi
znamo da ovaj najduze traje
a niko nije pricao o ruandi o sri lanki o kolumbiji o onim kmerima o pitaj boga ko sve jos ne ratuje
Ma samo ti o cemu god hoces.

Sva sreca da nisam. :wink:
boli me i da jesi to bi samo govorilo o tebi kao moderatoru i pristranosti za jednu stranu i ogranicavanja odgovora mada vidim da ni sada nije zlatno al da ne skrecemo s teme

volio bi da se iran ukljuci pa da nestane ili izrael ili palestina nema druge
a sve nesto sumnjam da bi izrael opstao u onakvom okruzenju
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#953 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!

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rado_vidjen wrote:@placenik kisindzera i vatikana, obozavatelj sotone i sauronov posilni, jez
Ja sticem dojam da je nekome u interesu da ljudi u Gazi zive u neimastini i u stalnom strahu od izraelskih raketa. I taj neko uz pomoc svojih marioneta u Gazi uspijeva omogucavati takvoj situaciji da traje. Narod Gaze je tu nemocan. On tu izgleda sluzi kao zrtveno janje za slikanje da bi ljudi mogli lakse uprijeti prstom u ovaplocenje zla - Izrael.
marioneta je pretpostavljam Hamas.

milku s keksom, molim. ccc, sto si nervozan :D

kazu da je aliji odgovaralo da ne dolaze konvoji sa hranom i lijekovima, sve ne bi li se na cnn-u ocrnili dobri samaricani, srbi.


nego, sta veli obama? hoce li biti kakih "cejndz", glede politike na blikom istoku? ima li natruha?
I, gdje sam ja tu napisao da Hamasu odgovara izlaganje stanovnistva poput glinenih golubova? Niti napisao, niti insinuirao tako nesto. Objasnjeno ti je od vise ljudi da Hamas ne shvaca da je marioneta za potkusurivanje vecih sila.
Prije nego sto napises glupost, nauci razumjevati prosto-prosirene recenice.

Sta s Obamom? Obama ima istu pricu o Izraelu kao i svi dosadasnji americki predsjednici. Sta si mislio da ce se to promijeniti?
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#954 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!

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scooter21ba wrote: boli me i da jesi to bi samo govorilo o tebi kao moderatoru i pristranosti za jednu stranu i ogranicavanja odgovora mada vidim da ni sada nije zlatno al da ne skrecemo s teme
Aha. :zzzz:
volio bi da se iran ukljuci pa da nestane ili izrael ili palestina nema druge
a sve nesto sumnjam da bi izrael opstao u onakvom okruzenju
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#955 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!

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rado_vidjen wrote:
KemooSA wrote:
zgembo_sa wrote:Za one koji opravdavaju cionisticke zlocine hamasovim raketama, treba reci da je u izraelu vise ljudi umrlo od gusenja kospama nego od hamasovih raketa. sapienti sat
Odlicna usporedba..takodjer treba reci da u americi vise ljudi umre od alergije na kikiriki nego od "terorizma"(smijesno ali istinito) sto ih opet nije sprijecilo da izdvoje 900 miliardi dolara protiv rata sa "teroristima" iako je kikiriki opasniji od bin ladena!!
moze se reci da se i od jezovih para (kao poreznog obveznika) ubijaju na hiljade nevinih.


ja ne bih mogao spavat sa tom spoznajom. :D
A kome ti placas poreze, Marsovcima?

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#956 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!

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Pričali su mi kako je jedan državnik, nije važno koji, odlučio iz nekih, nije važno kojih razloga, da istrijebi koze (domaće životinje) u zemlji kojom je vladao. Niko u zemlji nije smio imati koze, a imao je jaku vlast i podršku u narodu i koristio se raznim sredstvima da to sprovede. Nije uspio.

I tako pitaju jednog dedu iz istočne Bosne, početkom prošlog rata, šta misli o tome što Karađić prijeti da će nestati muslimanski narod, a dedo navodi primjer tog moćnika koji nije uspio da istrijebi obične koze, pa kako će tek Karađić (koji nije ni blizu tom vladaru) da istrijebi muslimane. I evo vidimo danas da je dedo bio upravu, iako se činilo kao da nema spasa Bosni. Prvo embargo na uvoz oružja, pa šutnja svijeta, pa pomoć i snaga koju je imao agresor, i opet se ljudi izboriše, haman golim rukama. Ne gubim nadu da će tako biti i sa Palestinom, i sa svakim narodom kojeg na ovom svijetu ugnjetavaju. Čovjek je čudo. I Palestina je čudo.
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#957 Re: Poceo Kopneni napad na Gazu

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scooter21ba wrote:ja bi se na trenutak udaljio od teme znaci i od palestine i od izraela
razmisljam da se ratovi vode s "razlogom"
ajd recimo da na svijetu prosjecno u isto vrijeme se vodi 4-5 ratova i tu gine dnevno ajd recimo 5000 ljudi
za 365 dana to je 1825000 ljudi za 50 godina to je 91250000 to je citava jedna drzava
i zamislite koliko bi jos bilo prenapuceno
to je samo za 50 godina a koliko je to za 2000 godina to je oko 3.5 milijardi znaci sada bi imali negdje oko 10-11 milijardi ljudi malo puno a ionako i sada ima ih gladuju
analiza je korektna, radi se o eugeneziji, jednom od glavnih razloga ratovanja pored "sporednih" kao sto su resursi, moc itd, kada gledamo ponasanje ljudskog roda kroz "intrahistoriju".

vjerovatno zato sto smo po prirodi plitkih umova (jer smo tako educirani) ne postavljamo sebi ovakva pitanja. o ovim stvarima razmisljaju i razgovaraju gospodari i kraljevi proslih i sadasnjih vremena...

medjutim, za razliku od ovih demona, preferiram kineski rezim umjesto ovako nehumanih genocida, patnje i bijede...
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#958 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!

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preferiras ti ili neko peti deseti a pitas li se ti peti deseti
ocigledno ne pitamo
tako da ovo vjerovatno ostaje do daljnjeg ovako kako je
napokon neko ko je razumio sta sam htio reci sa ovim postom i odgovoriti na to mada nije postavljeno bilo pitanje al eto fino je cuti misljenje drugih
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#959 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!

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cure informacije na sve strane da se Izraelska armada spremala za napad mjesecima prije , samo su cekali povod ,
pojavljuju se informacije da su u stvari Izraelski spijuni i njihovi placenici ispalili rakete iz Gaze na Izrael , samo da bi imali povod za obracun !
"pametne bombe" koje ne biraju izmedju civila i ratnika
"U.S. Sells GBU-39 Bunker Busters to Israel
December 30th, 2008 Posted in Military
The Israel Air Force used a new bunker buster missile that it recently received from the United States in strikes against Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip on Saturday, The Jerusalem Post learned on Sunday.

The missile, called the GBU-39, was developed in recent years by the US as a small-diameter bomb for low-cost, high-precision and low collateral damage strikes.

Israel received approval from Congress to purchase 1,000 units in September and defense officials said on Sunday that the first shipment had arrived earlier this month and was used successfully in penetrating underground Kassam launchers in the Gaza Strip during the heavy aerial bombardment of Hamas infrastructure on Saturday. It was also used in Sunday’s bombing of tunnels in Rafah.

The GPS-guided GBU-39 is said to be one of the most accurate bombs in the world. The 113-kg. bomb has the same penetration capabilities as a normal 900-kg. bomb, although it has only 22.7 kg. of explosives. At just 1.75 meters long, its small size increases the number of bombs an aircraft can carry and the number of targets it can attack in a sortie."
ma svaka vam cast naucnici i inzenjeri na ovakvim izumima :shock:
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#960 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!

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Evo kako precizno gađaju, petoro djece iz jedne porodice odjednom, sigurno su ponosni... :cry: :( :( :(

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podsjetnik svima onima koji su pjenili od ljubavi za Velikom Ob(m)anom

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Odbor za docek za sada dobro obavlja svoj zadatak.
Ranjeno 30 Izraelaca, poginulo najmanje osam Palestinaca

Trideset izraelskih vojnika ranjeno je prošle noći, na početku kopnene ofanzive protiv ciljeva Hamasa u pojasu Gaze, kada su se suočili sa snažnim otporom snaga te radikalne islamističke organizacije neposredno uz granicu, saopćili su izraelski izvori.

Na palestinskoj strani je, prema tvrdnjama Izraela, poginulo 30 hamasovaca, dok palestinski izvori tvrde da je u sukobima s izraelskom vojskom život izgubilo osmoro Palestinaca, prenose agencije.
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#964 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!

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bbc news javlja da su palestinci zarobili 2 cionisticka vojnika.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090104/ap_ ... lestinians

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – Israeli ground troops and tanks cut swaths through the Gaza Strip early Sunday, bisecting the coastal territory and surrounding its biggest city as the new phase of a devastating offensive against Hamas gained momentum.

Thousands of soldiers in three brigade-size formations pushed into Gaza after nightfall Saturday, beginning a long-awaited ground offensive after a week of intense aerial bombardment. Black smoke billowed over Gaza City at first light and bursts of machine gun fire rang out.

TV footage showed Israeli troops with night-vision goggles and camouflage face paint marching in single file. Artillery barrages preceded their advance, and they moved through fields and orchards following bomb-sniffing dogs ensuring their routes had not been booby-trapped.

The military said troops killed or wounded dozens of militant fighters, but Palestinian medical teams in Gaza, unable to move because of the fighting, could not provide accurate casualty figures.

Hamas said only four fighters had been killed. Gaza health officials said around 20 civilians had also died in airstrikes and shelling. They included a 12-year-old girl, five members of the same family and another eight civilians killed by a tank shell in the northern Gaza town of Beit Lahiya.

The new deaths brought the toll in the Gaza Strip since Saturday to more than 500. Palestinian and U.N. officials say at least 100 civilians are among the dead.

Army ambulances were seen bringing Israeli wounded to a hospital in the southern Israeli city of Beersheba. The military reported 30 Israeli troops were wounded, two seriously, in the opening hours of the offensive.

In his first public comments since the ground operation was launched, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told his Cabinet on Sunday that Israel could not allow its civilians to continue to be targeted by rockets from Gaza.

"This morning I can look every one you in the eyes and say the government did everything before deciding to go ahead with the operation," he said.

A senior military officer said Hamas was well-prepared for the Israeli incursion into Gaza, a densely populated territory of 1.4 million where militants operate and easily hide in the crowded urban landscape. He said the operation was "not a rapid one that would end in hours or a few days."

Still, he said, "We have no intention of staying in the Gaza Strip for the long term." He spoke on condition of anonymity in accordance with army regulations.

Israel says the objective is to restore quiet to Israel's south, not to topple Hamas or reoccupy Gaza.

Hamas threatened to turn Gaza into a "graveyard" for Israeli forces.

"You entered like rats," Hamas spokesman Ismail Radwan told Israeli soldiers in a statement on Hamas' Al Aqsa TV. "Gaza will be a graveyard for you, God willing."

The ground operation is the second phase in an offensive that began as a weeklong aerial onslaught aimed at halting Hamas rocket fire that has reached deeper and deeper into Israel, threatening major cities and one-eighth of Israel's population.

Rocket fire has persisted, however, and several rockets fell in Israel on Sunday morning, causing no casualties. In much of southern Israel school has been canceled and life has been largely paralyzed.

While the air offensive presented little risk for Israel's army, sending in ground troops is a much more dangerous proposition. Hamas is believed to have some 20,000 gunman who know the dense urban landscape intimately. For months, Israeli leaders had resisted a ground invasion, fearing heavy casualties.

Israel also has called up tens of thousands of reserve soldiers, which defense officials said could enable a far broader ground offensive as the operation's third phase. The troops could also be used in the event Palestinian militants in the West Bank or Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon decide to launch attacks. Hezbollah opened a war against Israel in 2006 when it was in the midst of a large operation in Gaza.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the military's preparations are classified.

An armored force south of Gaza City penetrated as deep as the abandoned settlement of Netzarim, which Israel left along with other Israeli communities when it pulled out of Gaza in 2005, both military officials and Palestinian witnesses said.

That move effectively cut off Gaza City, the territory's largest population center with about 400,000 people, from the rest of the territory to the south.

The offensive focused on northern Gaza, where most of the rockets are fired into Israel, but at least one incursion was reported in the southern part of the strip. Hamas uses smuggling tunnels along the southern border with Egypt to bring in weapons.

Ground forces had not entered major Gaza towns and cities by Sunday morning, instead fighting in rural communities and open areas militants often use to launch rockets and mortar rounds. Militants also fire from heavily populated neighborhoods.

Beit Lahiya was the scene of some of the heaviest fighting. An artillery shell killed eight civilians there as they were fleeing their homes to seek refuge at a nearby school, according to paramedics and Dr. Said Judeh, director of the Kamal Adwan Hospital in town.

The home of a farmer in the Beit Lahiya area was hit twice by artillery, killing a five members of one family, Judeh said.

An airstrike hit an ambulance and three medics were reported in critical condition, officials said.

Residents of the small northern Gaza community of al-Attatra said soldiers moved from house to house by blowing holes through walls. Most of the houses were unoccupied, their residents already having fled.

Hamas militants fired mortar shells and rocket-propelled grenades. Field commanders communicated over walkie talkies, updating gunmen on the location of Israeli forces. Commanders told gunmen in the streets not to gather in groups and not to use cell phones.

Israel launched the air campaign against Gaza on Dec. 27 with the aim of halting militant rocket attacks on its south. The operation appears to have slowed, but not halted the rocket fire. Israeli police said 13 rockets landed Sunday, lightly wounding one person.

Hundreds of rockets have hit Israel so far, and four Israelis have been killed. Warning sirens give residents notice of incoming militant rockets and allow them to take cover.

The decision to send ground troops into Gaza was taken after Hamas kept up its rocket fire despite the aerial assault, government officials said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because discussions leading up to wartime decisions are confidential.

U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon conveyed his "extreme concern and disappointment" to Olmert and called for an immediate end to the operation, according to a U.N. statement Sunday.

Denunciations also came from the French government, which unsuccessfully proposed a two-day truce earlier this week, and from Egypt, which brokered the six-month truce whose breakdown preceded the Israeli offensive.

But the U.S. has put the blame squarely on Hamas. White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said U.S. officials have been in regular contact with the Israelis as well as officials from countries in the region and Europe.

At an emergency consultation of the U.N. Security Council on Saturday night, the U.S. blocked approval of a statement demanded by Arab countries that would have called for an immediate cease-fire. U.S. deputy ambassador Alejandro Wolff said the U.S. believed that such a statement "would not be adhered to and would have no underpinning for success, (and) would not do credit to the council."

Hamas began to emerge as Gaza's main power broker when it won Palestinian parliamentary elections three years ago. It has ruled the impoverished territory since seizing control from forces loyal to moderate Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in June 2007.
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Presjekli su Gazu, sumnjam da ce ulazit u grad.
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#967 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!

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Misirlija wrote:podsjetnik svima onima koji su pjenili od ljubavi za Velikom Ob(m)anom

svaki od ovih ponosnih patriota sto po 20 puta ustaje na ovako dezinformativan, cionisticki i zlocinacki govor je jednako kriv, Amerika je jednako kriva za desavanja u Gazi, nakon koje dolazi Evropa. Cionizam treba zakopati sto prije dok imamo ovo malo zivota na Zemlji...
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oooo zivote dragi sta rade!!! :( :( :(
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ostro i na prvu wrote:@_veleposlanik ,koliko hamas ima odgovornosti za stanje u gazi ?
pozivam te da dodjes u izrael i budes moj gost i da vidis malo stvari izbliza i iz prve ruke . :wink:
a jel'? da razumijemo strah od "teroristickih" napada koji unistavaju krovove i prozore dok tone bombi siju smrt i destrukciju po gazi? sta treba da razumijem, cinjenicu da je gaza u blokadi godinama i da ljudi nemaju hrane, lijekova, medicinske pomoci?!? zato sto se neko boji vozat' autobusom po tel avivu?!? daj, molim te.
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Top 5 Lies about Israel's Assault on Gaza


Israel’s violation of the cease-fire predictably resulted in retaliation from militants in Gaza who fired rockets into Israel in response. The increased barrage of rocket fire at the end of December is being used as justification for the continued Israeli bombardment, but is a direct response to the Israeli attacks, notes Jeremy Hammond.


Lie #1: Israel is only targeting legitimate military sites and is seeking to protect innocent lives. Israel never targets civilians.

The Gaza Strip is one of the most densely populated pieces of property in the world. The presence of militants within a civilian population does not, under international law, deprive that population of their protected status, and hence any assault upon that population under the guise of targeting militants is, in fact, a war crime.

Moreover, the people Israel claims are legitimate targets are members of Hamas, which Israel says is a terrorist organization. Hamas has been responsible for firing rockets into Israel. These rockets are extremely inaccurate and thus, even if Hamas intended to hit military targets within Israel, are indiscriminate by nature. When rockets from Gaza kill Israeli civilians, it is a war crime.

Hamas has a military wing. However, it is not entirely a military organization, but a political one. Members of Hamas are the democratically elected representatives of the Palestinian people. Dozens of these elected leaders have been kidnapped and held in Israeli prisons without charge. Others have been targeted for assassination, such as Nizar Rayan, a top Hamas official. To kill Rayan, Israel targeted a residential apartment building. The strike not only killed Rayan but two of his wives and four of his children, along with six others. There is no justification for such an attack under international law. This was a war crime.

Other of Israel’s bombardment with protected status under international law have included a mosque, a prison, police stations, and a university, in addition to residential buildings.

Moreover, Israel has long held Gaza under siege, allowing only the most minimal amounts of humanitarian supplies to enter. Israel is bombing and killing Palestinian civilians. Countless more have been wounded, and cannot receive medical attention. Hospitals running on generators have little or no fuel. Doctors have no proper equipment or medical supplies to treat the injured. These people, too, are the victims of Israeli policies targeted not at Hamas or legitimate military targets, but directly designed to punish the civilian population.

Lie #2) Hamas violated the cease-fire. The Israeli bombardment is a response to Palestinian rocket fire and is designed to end such rocket attacks.

Israel never observed the cease-fire to begin with. From the beginning, it announced a “special security zone” within the Gaza Strip and announced that Palestinians who enter this zone will be fired upon. In other words, Israel announced its intention that Israeli soldiers would shoot at farmers and other individuals attempting to reach their own land in direct violation of not only the cease-fire but international law.

Despite shooting incidents, including ones resulting in Palestinians getting injured, Hamas still held to the cease-fire from the time it went into effect on June 19 until Israel effectively ended the truce on November 4 by launching an airstrike into Gaza that killed five and injured several others.

Israel’s violation of the cease-fire predictably resulted in retaliation from militants in Gaza who fired rockets into Israel in response. The increased barrage of rocket fire at the end of December is being used as justification for the continued Israeli bombardment, but is a direct response to the Israeli attacks.

Israel's actions, including its violation of the cease-fire, predictably resulted in an escalation of rocket attacks against its own population.

Lie #3) Hamas is using human shields, a war crime.

There has been no evidence that Hamas has used human shields. The fact is, as previously noted, Gaza is a small piece of property that is densely populated. Israel engages in indiscriminate warfare such as the assassination of Nizar Rayan, in which members of his family were also murdered. It is victims like his dead children that Israel defines as “human shields” in its propaganda. There is no legitimacy for this interpretation under international law. In circumstances such as these, Hamas is not using human shields, Israel is committing war crimes in violation of the Geneva Conventions and other applicable international law.

Lie #4) Arab nations have not condemned Israel’s actions because they understand Israel’s justification for its assault.

The populations of those Arab countries are outraged at Israel’s actions and at their own governments for not condemning Israel’s assault and acting to end the violence. Simply stated, the Arab governments do not represent their respective Arab populations. The populations of the Arab nations have staged mass protests in opposition to not only Israel's actions but also the inaction of their own governments and what they view as either complacency or complicity in Israel's crimes.

Moreover, the refusal of Arab nations to take action to come to the aid of the Palestinians is not because they agree with Israel’s actions, but because they are submissive to the will of the US, which fully supports Israel. Egypt, for instance, which refused to open the border to allow Palestinians wounded in the attacks to get medical treatment in Egyptian hospitals, is heavily dependent upon US aid, and is being widely criticized within the population of the Arab countries for what is viewed as an absolute betrayal of the Gaza Palestinians.

Even Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been regarded as a traitor to his own people for blaming Hamas for the suffering of the people of Gaza. Palestinians are also well aware of Abbas' past perceived betrayals in conniving with Israel and the US to sideline the democratically elected Hamas government, culminating in a counter-coup by Hamas in which it expelled Fatah (the military wing of Abbas' Palestine Authority) from the Gaza Strip. While his apparent goal was to weaken Hamas and strengthen his own position, the Palestinians and other Arabs in the Middle East are so outraged at Abbas that it is unlikely he will be able to govern effectively.

Lie #5) Israel is not responsible for civilian deaths because it warned the Palestinians of Gaza to flee areas that might be targeted.

Israel claims it sent radio and telephone text messages to residents of Gaza warning them to flee from the coming bombardment. But the people of Gaza have nowhere to flee to. They are trapped within the Gaza Strip. It is by Israeli design that they cannot escape across the border. It is by Israeli design that they have no food, water, or fuel by which to survive. It is by Israeli design that hospitals in Gaza have no electricity and few medical supplies with which to treat the injured and save lives. And Israel has bombed vast areas of Gaza, targeting civilian infrastructure and other sites with protected status under international law. No place is safe within the Gaza Strip.

Jeremy R. Hammond is the editor of Foreign Policy Journal (http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com), a website dedicated to providing news, critical analysis, and opinion commentary on US foreign policy from outside of the standard framework offered by government officials and the mainstream corporate media, particularly with regard to the "war on terrorism" and events in the Middle East. He has also written for numerous other online publications. Contact him at: [email protected]. This article appeared in the PalestineChronicle.com.
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#971 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!

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Mene ova agresija od strane Izraela tako podjeca na opsadu Sarajeva 92-95..
Isti scenario se desava i tamo.
Hermeticki je Gaza zatvorena (nema ulaska ni izlaska nikome)
novinarima je zabranjen ulaz
udaraju svim snagama na narod koji se nema cime braniti
granatiraju skole, bolnice, univerzitete, dzamije....
nema struje, vode gasa a ni hrane
svijet i dalje gleda i ne reaguje (na adekvatan nacin) protiv ovakvog nasilja, okrecu glave svjetski lideri dok nazalost ne bude kasno..

Zar treba jos nesto reci ? :( Samo corav i glup ne shvata o cemu se ovdje radi
Edin 24,5
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#972 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!

Post by Edin 24,5 »

Ja sam naslov ove teme razumio tako da mi ovdje treba da damo svoj osvrt na ovo sto se desava POSLJEDNJIH DANA u Gazi.

Nije mi jasna polemika na temu Izrael-Hamas, jer ovo sto se desava je najmanje politicko, a prije svega je HUMANITARNO i pitanje RATNIH ZLOCINA I MASAKRA. Iduci filozofski, ovo je pitanje LJUDSKIH PRAVA i OSNOVNIH PRINCIPA COVJECNOSTI.

Svako onaj koji ovo sto se u posljednjih par dana u Gazi desava svodi na nivo politicke rasprave na realciji Izrael-Hamas s trivijalnim pitanjem "ko je vise kriv??" il' je toliko GLUP da ne razumije, il' nece da razumije, il' ga apsolutno ne interesuju ratni zlocini, masakr, pitanje osnovnih ljudskih prava, covjecnost, odnosno ljudskost u krajnjoj liniji.

Sada bih ukratko analizirao ono sto se koristi kao opravdanje za ove ZLOCINE i MASKRE koji su pocinjeni. Da, Hamas jeste ispaljivao rakete na Izrael i ugrozavao sigurnost gradjana Izraela i tu nista nije sporno. Naravno, Hamas tim raketama nicim nije ugrozavao "vrijednosti slobodnog svijeta u Izraelu koje Izrael predstavlja" kako se to pokusava predstaviti poglavito u zapadnim medijima u svrhu propagande.

Izrael se opredijelio, po ko zna koji put, na odgovor vojnim sredstvima, sto je po meni i legitimno samo po sebi. Tvrdi da je isplanirao citavu akciju, sto podrazumijeva da zna koje ce mete gadjati, da zna na sto treba da se fokusira i prvenstveno to KAKO NAJDJELOTVORNIJE UKLONITI PRIJETNJU ZBOG KOJEG JE I ZAPOCEO VOJNU AKCIJU.
Sad ja vas sve pitam, ako je to tako uradjeno, tj. planirano, kako je doslo do toga da u prvih 4-5 dana bombardovanja pogine oko 400 civila, od kojih blizu 100 djece i bude ranjeno blizu 2500 ljudi ??? Pa nemoguce da su se ti silni ljudi, ma kako nam njihovi mozgovi idejom mucenistva isprano izgledali, izlagali poput glinenih golubova na nisan izraelskoj avijaciji. Postavlja se logicko pitanje sta je Izrael gadjao i jeli zaista gledao sta gadja !
Pa toliko ljudi nije ubijeno i ranjeno u Sarajevu pod opsadom za samo par dana gdje su namjerno bili gadjani civilni ciljevi!

Druga stvar, mi ovdje, a kamoli oni u Izraelu, jako dobro znamo da je Hamas vise pokret, nego sto je neka klasicna organizacija zasnovana na infrastrukturi ili nekakvoj strukturi i hijerarhiji. Sljedece logicko pitanje koje postavljam bi bilo da li ce ovo sto sad Izrael radi OJACATI ili OSLABITI Hamas ?? Volio bih da svako obrazlozi svoj odgovor.

Nemam namjeru polemisati dublje o temi izraelsko-palestinskog pitanja, jer to mogu da radim bas svaki dan, vec bih se iskljucivo fokusirao na temu kako je naslovljena vezano za posljednja desavanja i JAKO bih volio kad bi se tema vise okrenula u pravcu onoga o cemu treba da se ovdje govori, a to su ZLOCINI, MASAKR, PITANJE LJUDSKIH PRAVA I COVJECNOSTI I LJUDSKOST SVAKOG OD NAS PONAOSOB I ZAJEDNICE U CJELINI.
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#973 o ratu u Palestini??- zna li neko

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Mene interesuije zbog čega Egipat drži zatvorenu granicu sa Gazom i granični prelaz Rafah...
Vidim da samo propuštaju rijetke ranjenike i humanitarnu na slamku....
Zašto ta granica nije jednostavno otvorena za prelaz ljudi i robe....
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ld
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#974 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!!!

Post by ld »

na bbc-iju javljaju da su izraelci usli u gazu sa 300 tenkova i da su presjekli gazu na dva mjesta i tako da su gazu odvojili na tri dijela
gaza strip je inace siroka 10 km,duga 40 km
izrael intenzivno koristi avijaciju,mornaricu i artiljerijsku podrsku njihovim oklopno-pjesadijskim jedinicama na terenu
i djeluju bijelim fosfornim bombama po dijelovima gaze,i to nije nimalo ,,precizno,, oruzije
pure_love
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#975 Re: o ratu u palestini??- zna li neko

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zato sto su im vlasti gamad koja se boji za vlastitu stolicu
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