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Ali Kemal wrote:Konstantno poredjenje BiH i Amerike dovodi do ovakvog razmisljanja, medjutim treba analizirati Ameriku prije npr 20 godinai sada. Npr stopa nezaposlenosti (takodje neuporedivo sa bosanskih 40% , medjutim kada u Americi nezaposlenost skoci sa 4 na 8 posto to znaci da su milioni ljudi ostali bez posla.
Ko poredi Ameriku i BiH?
Pa kazem ja, nacisto su propali
Ali Kemal wrote:Od toga nikakve koristi nema average Joe, samo su skrhane ogromne pare u nesto potpuno beskorisno.
Stvarno? Potpuno beskorisno? Niko nema koristi od ovog?
sluga_okupatora wrote:
Ta "vecina svijeta" puca sankcije rusiji i iskljucuje istu iz raznih organizacija.
Jeste, svi koji nisu za ruje su papci a oni koji jesu su cool - sreca da si rekao par postova prije da nisi rusofil
Sto se tice njihovog vojnog budzeta - moglo bi se reci da sam upucen u tu tematiku posto mi plata dolazi iz istog
Nikad ne grizi ruku koja te hrani ... posteno, tvoji stavovi su sada jasni
Ne znam kada nisu bili jasni?
Ja ne svrsavam svaki put kad neko spomene amere ali masa forumasa ovdje dozivljava nekontrolisane orgazme svaki put kada se pojavi Putinovo ime ili neko ukaze na Rusiju.
znaci radi svoje plate ti se radujes sto ce mozda stotine hiljada ljudi otici u smrt. pa time diskreditujes i sebe kao normalnog covjeka i stranu koju zastupas.
Ali Kemal wrote:Konstantno poredjenje BiH i Amerike dovodi do ovakvog razmisljanja, medjutim treba analizirati Ameriku prije npr 20 godinai sada. Npr stopa nezaposlenosti (takodje neuporedivo sa bosanskih 40% , medjutim kada u Americi nezaposlenost skoci sa 4 na 8 posto to znaci da su milioni ljudi ostali bez posla.
Ko poredi Ameriku i BiH?
Pa kazem ja, nacisto su propali
Ali Kemal wrote:Od toga nikakve koristi nema average Joe, samo su skrhane ogromne pare u nesto potpuno beskorisno.
Stvarno? Potpuno beskorisno? Niko nema koristi od ovog?
tebi je dow jons refleksija za average joe? genijalno...
spreca wrote:zbog situacije u Ukraini i oko nje se u Rusiji ocekuje odliv inostranog kapitala do 100-150 milijardi dolara
Savim izvjesno da ce doci do toga, ali ekonomski je potpuno besmisleno izolovati najvecu zemlju na svijetu, prebogatu sirovinama i ocekivati da niko drugi ne osjeti posljedice osim Rusije
Rusija danas je takva kakva je zahvljujuci ino ulaganjima
To the casual consumer of McMedia happy meals, the Ukrainian crisis is a consequence of Russia’s yearning for empire lost, a Nazi-style Anschluss that began with Crimea and will end, judging by the big-font hysteria, somewhere near Alaska.
For the more sober-minded observer, however, whose worldview has not been vandalized by misguided Russophobic inclinations, the reality of the situation is a bit more complicated.
In December 2013, then-Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich made a decision that seems radical only because we have been trained to believe that national indebtedness to foreign institutions is the natural order of things: After telling EU's officials that he intended to sign the European association agreement, Yanukovich sent shock waves across the Western world when he suddenly reversed his decision (Until now, only Iceland has had the courage to say 'no' to western liberal reformers and their massive cash injections since the bottom fell out of the global economy in 2008).
Why the change of heart? Because the now-deposed Ukrainian leader had no desire to sell his proud nation down the river. Yanukovich understood that the harsh austerity measures demanded by the EU-IMF-NATO triumvirate would have served as a final death blow to the Ukrainian people, already suffering from many years of high unemployment and a withering economy.
Yanukovich decided instead to accept a no-strings-attached loan of $15 billion from neighboring Russia - interest-free! Considering the ongoing meltdown of EU member states, most notably in Greece, which continues to stagnate despite a massive $145 billion injection in 2010, Kiev’s volte-face toward Russia was not without merit.
However, that is not the way the Masters of the Western Universe, who wish to control the debt of nations, saw the situation.
No sooner had Yanukovich adjusted his reading glasses to read the fine-print conditions on the EU-IMF agreement, US Senator John McCain was in central Kiev, agitating the local populace with boilerplate promises of a debt-free future while shaking hands and kissing so many babies you’d think he was running for the Ukrainian presidency.
“Ukraine will make Europe better, and Europe will make Ukraine better,” McCain told a confused crowd in Kiev. “We are here to support your just cause, the sovereign right of Ukraine to determine its own klix freely and independently. And the klix you seek lies in Europe.”
John McCain (Allison Shelley / Getty Images / AFP)
John McCain (Allison Shelley / Getty Images / AFP)
Later, Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland was in Kiev, just as anti-government protests had reached fevered pitch, handing out pastries to Ukraine’s protesters and riot police. While there was no word on the expiration date of the bakery goods, the idea of the American superpower acting self-righteous and charitable in the middle of a foreign nation’s internal crisis – triggered in no small part by Washington’s own manipulations – was unappetizing to say the least.
So how does one explain Washington’s extreme diplomatic overtures in Kiev? Is it simply a case that the United States, as the self-designated champion of human rights and cake distribution, is merely acting as an impartial advocate on behalf of an internal political struggle (with emphasis on the word 'internal')? History would suggest otherwise.
It is no secret that the United States has been angling for a strategic advantage in Eastern Europe since the end of World War II, with special attention focused on strategically important Ukraine, which could serve as a future bridgehead into Central Asia and beyond. In an interview with Kiev’s Weekly Digest (May, 2004) Zbigniew Brzezinski, Washington’s premier adviser on geopolitical strategy, emphasized the importance of Russia's neighbor.
Ukraine “is certainly not a pawn; it may not be a queen, but it certainly is an important element on the chessboard – one of the most important.”
We could probably agree that one does not normally allude to the ultimate game of strategy when discussing democracy and people power. Clearly, Brzezinski and his worn-out chess board was making an unmistakable reference to Ukraine's military importance to the United States. It was not, of course, a call for humanitarian action.
So what conclusion should Russian strategists draw from such analysis, especially as NATO continues its mechanized march toward Russia’s border, and despite pledges made to Moscow following the collapse of the Soviet Union that the military bloc would not “move an inch” beyond Germany?
Reset ‘Nyet’
Washington’s disingenuous approach to the so-called “reset,” an Obama-conceived initiative used to camouflage America’s militaristic designs in the region, was finally revealed by NATO’s blunt refusal to permit Russia's participation in the US missile defense shield project in Eastern Europe – a stone’s throw from the Russian border.
Moscow warned if NATO failed to agree on some sort of mutual agreement with Russia over the ambitious project, which has all the potential to destroy the fragile strategic balance in the region, another arms race could occur on the continent. Yet as incredible as it may seem, NATO seems willing to alienate Russia over an unproven system allegedly designed to neutralize an unproven enemy (Iran) while risking an all-out nuclear-tipped arms race.
Kiev on 20 February, 2014 (RIA Novosti / Andrey Stenin)
Kiev on 20 February, 2014 (RIA Novosti / Andrey Stenin)
Judging by the relative insanity of NATO's decision, which ignores the necessity of bilateral cooperation in the war on terror, to which Russia is certainly no stranger, the only thing the “reset” achieved was to sow dissent and disagreement between the former Cold War foes. The Ukrainian crisis was merely the final straw on the back of an overloaded camel.
However, one nation’s crisis is another corporation’s windfall. Indeed, developments in Ukraine certainly spell big bucks for America’s bloated defense industry, which has used the Ukraine crisis in general, and the Crimean “annexation” in particular, to warn Capitol Hill of Russia’s “return to imperialism.” Never mind that Russia has not violated the territorial integrity of a single foreign country - without being attacked first, as was the case with Georgia - since the collapse of the Soviet Union.
“Everybody in the Pentagon and in the defense industry is using the Ukraine crisis as a warning for why the department needs to spend more on military technology,” Loren Thompson, chief operating officer for the Lexington Institute, told AP.
Military advantage, however, is not the only reason for Washington imposing itself on Kiev. To understand the full picture, it is only necessary to consider the corporate circus that US Congress has become, in which the “people’s representatives” now take their marching orders from boardrooms across corporate America.
Consider, for example, efforts by the American Petroleum Institute to take advantage of Kiev’s chaos.
“We’ve just had a consistent drumbeat going since the beginning of last year,” Erik Milito, API’s director of industry operations, told Bloomberg. “We just kept doing it, and this became a more heightened debate during the whole Ukraine situation.”
Milito said the message from API, whose members include the likes of Chevron and Exxon Mobil, was not lost upon Democrat and Republican members of Congress.
“It’s a common thing when there’s a crisis for companies to see opportunity, and they will use advocacy to pursue their interests,” said James Thurber, director of the Center for Congressional and Presidential Studies at American University in Washington.
This begs the obvious question: Is the United States purposefully provoking crises, like the one presently ripping Ukraine apart by the seams, in order to advance itself not only militarily in the region (after all, EU membership de facto implies NATO membership as well), but to quell the inordinate appetite of American corporations?
Judging by recent revelations on the part of Russia regarding the work of NGOs and particular government agencies, that is a very strong likelihood.
In September 2012, Russia’s Foreign Ministry informed the US Agency for International Development (USAID) that, after operating on the territory of Russia for 20 years, it would no longer be welcome.
People walk past the US Embassy in Moscow, the headquarters of US Agency for International Development (USAID ) Russia’s mission (AFP Photo / Kirill Kudryavtsev)
People walk past the US Embassy in Moscow, the headquarters of US Agency for International Development (USAID ) Russia’s mission (AFP Photo / Kirill Kudryavtsev)
According to the Foreign Ministry, USAID was attempting to manipulate the election processes in the country.
“The character of the agency's work … did not always comply with the declared aims of cooperation in bilateral humanitarian cooperation,” the Foreign Ministry said on its website. “We are talking about issuing grants in an attempt to affect the course of the political processes in the country, including elections at different levels and institutions in civil society."
Russian civil society has become fully mature, the Foreign Ministry said, and did not need any "external direction."
Over the last 20 years, USAID has pumped $1.8 billion into various Ukrainian projects, which its website says help “Ukrainians experience increased political freedoms, stronger transparency guarantees, and more economic and social opportunities.”
How much that massive investment of US taxpayer dollars was used – knowingly or otherwise – to spread the seed of dissent revolution in Ukraine is anybody’s guess. But one thing is certain: the crisis in Ukraine has proven that the American empire is a borderless, virtual construct, which needn’t physically dominate a territory to possess it.
Like a fly-by-night vampire, the EU-IMF-NATO troika only requires an invitation to enter and operate inside of a country before the bloodletting, bank loans and corporate takeovers can begin. Eventually, the debtor country is stuffed into an ill-fitting NATO uniform and becomes a mere shadow of its former self.
Like so many international “patients” that came and went before, Ukraine will never be the same again.
Fino se vidi od 2000 pa na ovamo koliki su bili padovi, a kakav je bio rast osamdesetih kada Amerika nije ratovala po svijetu kao u poslijendjih 15-tak godina.
cindrlimindrli wrote:
Ali Kemal wrote:Od toga nikakve koristi nema average Joe, samo su skrhane ogromne pare u nesto potpuno beskorisno.
Stvarno? Potpuno beskorisno? Niko nema koristi od ovog?
Pa imaju kompanije koje se bave proizvodnjom za vojsku, ali to je sve placeno iz dzepa poreskih obveznika, a ne donosi nikakve pare nazad, samo se i dalje trosi na odrzavanje i slicno.
Eto ti mi reci kakve koristi ima prosjecan Amerikanac od te podmornice?
iscrtani čovek wrote:Ahahaha, koji raspad ova ukrajinska vojska, lokalci im uzimaju tenkove i transportere, pa ovi su gori od JNA.
Istini za volju ovo pre lici na prelaz pro-Ruskih vojnika na "svoju" stranu posle guzve sa civilima i kamerama oko njih kako se ne bi pobili sa pro-Ukrajinskim vojnicima.
Ne znam kada nisu bili jasni?
Ja ne svrsavam svaki put kad neko spomene amere ali masa forumasa ovdje dozivljava nekontrolisane orgazme svaki put kada se pojavi Putinovo ime ili neko ukaze na Rusiju.
znaci radi svoje plate ti se radujes sto ce mozda stotine hiljada ljudi otici u smrt. pa time diskreditujes i sebe kao normalnog covjeka i stranu koju zastupas.
Nisam ja taj koji onanise na "uspjehe" ruske i "pusionu" americku nego vi rusofili.
Vidis ja prostituisem svoju radnu snagu ono nesto kao prostitutka koja ode u hotel i bude placena od klijentela za posao koji odradi - znaci tu prostitutku zaboli djon sta klijent radi - pare su bitne i da se posao odradi kako treba
Rusofili su opet kao one dromfulje sponzoruse koje ce da daju svoju bulju za dzaba nekom nabildanom, istetoviranom siledziji samo zato da bi ih neko vidio u njihovom drustvu pa da misle da su i te dromfulje zajebana sorta i da bi se na trenutak osjecale velikima i zasticenima od strane tih siledzija. U stvari te siledzije ce samo da ih iskarindzaju i otpile posto nemaju nikakvog interesa prema njima.
Ja sam bizMismen - operisan od politickih i vjerskih uvjerenja koje klijent posjeduje posto sam u ovome zbog love, kao i gorenavedena prostitutka.
Svako ima pravo izbora - da li da ga karindzaju za pare il' za dzaba
AleksoMKD wrote:Istini za volju ovo pre lici na prelaz pro-Ruskih vojnika na "svoju" stranu posle guzve sa civilima i kamerama oko njih kako se ne bi pobili sa pro-Ukrajinskim vojnicima.
- Ta diferencijacija je sasvim logična. Kreatori ovog haosa su bili u velikoj zabludi kada su mislili da se Ukrajina može pozicionirati na antiruskoj osnovi. Nema ništa od željene "polonizacije" Ukrajine i njene transformacije u "ruski Vijetnam" (Bžežinski).
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- Nasuprot Brennerovoj "vladi" na horizontu novi panrsuki region:
- Formirani su organi "Narodne Republike Odessa na krajnjem jugozapadu Ukrajine:
AleksoMKD wrote:Istini za volju ovo pre lici na prelaz pro-Ruskih vojnika na "svoju" stranu posle guzve sa civilima i kamerama oko njih kako se ne bi pobili sa pro-Ukrajinskim vojnicima.
- Ta diferencijacija je sasvim logična. Kreatori ovog haosa su bili u velikoj zabludi kada su mislili da se Ukrajina može pozicionirati na antiruskoj osnovi. Nema ništa od željene "polonizacije" Ukrajine i njene transformacije u "ruski Vijetnam" (Bžežinski).
Ako se ne varam na Krimu je preko 60% policije i vojske preslo na Rusku stranu.
spreca wrote:zbog situacije u Ukraini i oko nje se u Rusiji ocekuje odliv inostranog kapitala do 100-150 milijardi dolara
prenapuhana cifra ali je tacno da kapital odlazi jer je nesigurno. pisao sam o tome na pocetku ovog sranja
Russia’s capital outflow is thought to have reached between $65 billion and $70 billion in the first quarter of 2014, more than the $63 billion recorded for all of 2013
Kakav epski fijasko NATO-a i njihovih ukrajinskih, pardon, galicijskih marioneta, vojska koju su poslali da ubija svoj narod, masovno prelazi na stranu naroda uzvikujući Slava Rusiji.
Sreća pa Ukrajinci vrlo dobro znaju tko su i što su, izgleda da je ovima tzv. pro zapadnjacima ostala samo šaka bijednih neonacista iz Galicije, taman, neka im USA sada da državljanstvo i jesu ko stvoreni jedni za druge.
UnscarD wrote:
znaci radi svoje plate ti se radujes sto ce mozda stotine hiljada ljudi otici u smrt. pa time diskreditujes i sebe kao normalnog covjeka i stranu koju zastupas.
Nisam ja taj koji onanise na "uspjehe" ruske i "pusionu" americku nego vi rusofili.
Vidis ja prostituisem svoju radnu snagu ono nesto kao prostitutka koja ode u hotel i bude placena od klijentela za posao koji odradi - znaci tu prostitutku zaboli djon sta klijent radi - pare su bitne i da se posao odradi kako treba
Rusofili su opet kao one dromfulje sponzoruse koje ce da daju svoju bulju za dzaba nekom nabildanom, istetoviranom siledziji samo zato da bi ih neko vidio u njihovom drustvu pa da misle da su i te dromfulje zajebana sorta i da bi se na trenutak osjecale velikima i zasticenima od strane tih siledzija. U stvari te siledzije ce samo da ih iskarindzaju i otpile posto nemaju nikakvog interesa prema njima.
Ja sam bizMismen - operisan od politickih i vjerskih uvjerenja koje klijent posjeduje posto sam u ovome zbog love, kao i gorenavedena prostitutka.
Svako ima pravo izbora - da li da ga karindzaju za pare il' za dzaba
pa moralnije je iz "filstva" navijati za neku stranu nego iz interesa. navijanje da ljudi ginu iz racionalnog interesa je definicija psihopatologije. a posebno kad se jos neko time hvali. to je vrhunac narcisoidne psihopatologije. haj bar ces imati love za shrinka.
daxon wrote:Sreća pa Ukrajinci vrlo dobro znaju tko su i što su, izgleda da je ovima tzv. pro zapadnjacima ostala samo šaka bijednih neonacista iz Galicije, taman, neka im USA sada da državljanstvo i jesu ko stvoreni jedni za druge.
Daće im moj *urac. Njihova jedina funkcija je da budu USA proxy koji treba da napravi haos u srcu Evrope. Ako u tome ne uspiju, a ne uspijevaju, mogu da crknu.
spreca wrote:zbog situacije u Ukraini i oko nje se u Rusiji ocekuje odliv inostranog kapitala do 100-150 milijardi dolara
Ti me podsjecas na forumasa Udar.
Zivis u Rusiji, siljis protiv Rusije.
Udar zivi u Americi, silji protiv Amerike.
Zamijenite se za drzave. Ti put slobodarske Amerike, on put slobodarske Rusije.
Kaze ovaj iz Donjecka. Mi nismo kao oni u Kievu. Mi ne rusimo, ne palimo, ne premlacujemo, nismo naoruzani... a iza njega lik sa automatskom puskom.
pa sta ti mislis, da svi na zapadu navijaju za obalu i nato????
kao sto rekoh, takvo razmisljanje je svojstveno samo balkancima, a posebno papcima i malograđanima koji misle da su amerikanci sminka u odnosu na ruse koji prave krkansku ladu.
POLJACI IZ ŽITOMIRA: I mi hoćemo da se otcepimo od Ukrajine i pripojimo Poljskoj!
Žitomirska oblast, naseljena uglavnom stanovništvom poljskog porekla, raspisla je referendum na kojem će se izjasniti o većoj autonomiji, a zatim i o prisajedinjenju Poljskoj.
ŽITOMIR - Zahtev za većom autonomijom postavljen je i u Žitomirskoj oblasti na severu Ukrajine, pretežno naseljenoj ljudima poljskog porekla, objavljeno je na sajtu Eurobelarus.
Povodom 25. godišnjice formiranja Saveza Poljaka u ovom regionu, 11. aprila u Žitomiru je održan poljsko-urkajinski okrugli sto, događaj kojem su prisustvovali ne samo aktivisti tog saveza, negoi predstavnici Ministarstva spoljnih poslova Poljske i lokalne vlade pokrajine Lublin.
Predsednik Žitomirske oblasti Sidor Kizin tom prilikom je kazao da bi se trebalo ugledati na jugoistok Ukrajine, gde oblasti naseljene ruskim življem traže federalizaciju zemlje i najavio je zahteve vladi u Kijevu:
- Sprovođenje referenduma u oblasti Žitomira u cilju uspostavljanja veće autonomije poljskog stanovništva i uvođenje poljskog jezika kao drugog zvaničnog;
- Da se Rimokatoličnoj crkvi vrate sva prava i posedi koje je imala do 1939;- Da se u etar vrate programi poljskih televizija, ukinuti 2009;
- Da se ulicama u Žitomiru i okolini vrate poljski nazivi;
- Da se poljski jezik uvede u sve obrazovne institucije.
"Poljski Žitomirci preživeli su teška vremena poslednjih deset godina, doživeli su progon od strane ukrajinske vlasti. Sada imaju pravo da ožive svoju državnost u okriru autonomije, koji će biti korak u pravcu ujedinjavanja ukrajinskih Poljaka sa njihovom istorijskom domovinom", najavio je Kizin.
Predstavnici Poljske pozdravili su te zahteve i obećali Žitomircima svoju pomoć.
valensija wrote:POLJACI IZ ŽITOMIRA: I mi hoćemo da se otcepimo od Ukrajine i pripojimo Poljskoj!
Žitomirska oblast, naseljena uglavnom stanovništvom poljskog porekla, raspisla je referendum na kojem će se izjasniti o većoj autonomiji, a zatim i o prisajedinjenju Poljskoj.
Obumaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, šalji tenkove u Žitomir, Obumaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Daj avione, tenkove, flotu, sve daj i šalji u Žitomir!!
tebi je dow jons refleksija za average joe? genijalno...
Naravno, jer kao sto je jednom Albert Einstein rekao, a odnosi se na tebe i par forumasa ovdje: nikad ne podcjenjuj glupost.
Da si ikada procitao bar jednu knjigu o ekonomskom sistemu u SAD (mislim da bi u tvom slucaju bilo koja knjiga bila napredak od 9 milja) skontao bi da su americke penzije vezane kroz penzione fondove.
I moja je, i kada god Dow Jones poraste i pare na mom kontu koje idu za moju penziju rastu, naravno kada DJ padne i to s eodrazi na penziju. I tako to funkcionise odkako postoji berza u SAD.
Ali, previse je to komplikovano za tebe, chelija i slicne koji su slike Kate Upton zamjenili slikama Vladimira Putina.
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Ali Kemal wrote:
Ako neko zivi u nekoj zemlji ne mora da znaci da ne kritikuje negativne strane u njoj. Dapace to je vrhunac demokratije i drustva blagostanja.
Slazem se.
Samo sam kod Sprece nesto zapazio. Malo prikriveno kritikuje Rusiju. Nema otvorenih poruka kao kod Udara. Putina ne naziva manijakom, Rusiju ne naziva agresorom.... Nema otvorenosti i zestine.
Nadam se da nije strah. Nadam se da je Rusija prevazisla vrijeme mraka.
