#8776 Re: BH vojna industrija i naoruzanje
Posted: 26/04/2019 20:07
mozes citirati daj moj post.vidio sam da si i prije identifikovao minobacacki projektil od 81 mm kao 155mm , ali necemo sada o tome @155mm
mozes citirati daj moj post.vidio sam da si i prije identifikovao minobacacki projektil od 81 mm kao 155mm , ali necemo sada o tome @155mm
Negdje prije je tamo ne trazio sada - prihvati evo kao da sam slagao155_mm wrote:mozes citirati daj moj post.vidio sam da si i prije identifikovao minobacacki projektil od 81 mm kao 155mm , ali necemo sada o tome @155mm
Mislim da si ipak upravu - ako se uspije proizvesti u BiH topovska granata od 120 mm upada BiH namjenska industrija u veoma odabranu i malobrojnu elitu proizvodjaca iste155_mm wrote:nemoras se vrtiti oko te liste sa desetinama i desetinama proizvodjaca municije 120 mm kao mace oko vruceg mlijeka.
ako neko naleti na listu tih proizvodjaca, naleti, a ako ne nije smak svijeta.
Prema kome je pitanje upuceno ?insomnia78 wrote:Cekaj. Jer stvarno mislis da je industrijama koje naprave podmornicu, bojni brod, borbeni avion, helikopter, nuklearku problem napraviti jebenu granatu za tenk koje usput one proizvode?
Ima smisla, dok mi ne pocnemo kopati I topiti bakar.славянин wrote:Imam pitanje - da nastavimo sa temom.Jeli tacno da se cahure u igmanu proizvode od “kolacica” mesinga koji se dopremaju iz Srbije ?
Postoje li kapaciteti za proizvodnju istih na teritoriji BiH tj. Imamo li topionice/kalionice bakra ? Ako postoje iste onda se u ratnim uslovima moze “reciklirati” za potrebe proizvodnje a ako ima rudnik onda jos bolje tj. Vlastiti izvor ?The 51st State wrote:Ima smisla, dok mi ne pocnemo kopati I topiti bakar.славянин wrote:Imam pitanje - da nastavimo sa temom.Jeli tacno da se cahure u igmanu proizvode od “kolacica” mesinga koji se dopremaju iz Srbije ?
Nista cudno u mirnodopskim uslovima proizvodnje.
Pa ja mislim vise na "one step at a time" - znaci da se zaokruzi proizvodnja municije, onda najbolje licencu od nekoga i poceti lokalno praviti puske - dodas tome RPGove i rakete za iste novijih generacija i imas onu osnovu za snadbijevanje vojske.. O lakim oklopnim vozilima,topovima,haubicama i slicno ... tu su vec malo veci koraci (mislim na pravu proizvodnju a ne kupi 80% dijelova pa sklopi i reci lokalni produkt)The 51st State wrote:A to za rat, moze se preci I na celicne cahure, to rusi u pobjedi vec implementiraju.
Lako je za ove *bazne* stvari, treba malo raditi na sofisticiranijim sklopovima.
Hrmpalijer ima dosta points u tom smislu, licno bi bio sretan kad bi neka civilna industrija kod nas pokrenula ozbiljno proizvodnju hidraulike I tako nekih stvari koje se mogu aplicirati I za neku vojnu proizvodnju.
ocigledno da postoji i minobacacka municija M17 LR. pored vec poznate game minobacacke municije M15 LR. znaci razvoj te municije je zavrsen 2017. godine.Mortar ammunition
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izgleda da im je poslo za rukom 2018. godine da usvoje proizvodnju tenkovske municije 120 mm NATO.Tank Ammunition
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100 mm HE CARTRIDGE M63 100 mm HEAT-T CARTRIDGE M69 120 mm HEAT-T CARTRIDGE M18 125 mm HE ROUND M86 125 mm HEAT-T ROUND M88 125 mm APFSDS-T ROUND M88
https://www.defenceturkey.com/en/conten ... -mkek-3043Test and Demonstration Firings of 120 mm HE-T Tank Gun Ammunition Produced by MKEK
The development and production of 120 mm HE-T Tank Gun ammunition, which has not been previously produced in Turkey, was manufactured for the first time by MKEK
Within the scope of the requirements of the Turkish Land Forces Command for 120 mm HE-T Tank Gun Ammunition, which can be effective against open and sight defilade targets, the unique 120 mm HE-T tank gun ammunition was developed and produced in a short period of one year within the scope of the program of the MKE Institution, launched with its own resources.
Following the production of prototypes, the first test and demonstration firings of the ammunition were performed through M60 Tank on April 03, 2018 under the supervision of MSB Firing Range Test and Evaluation Group Command.
National Defense Minister Mr.Nurettin Canikli: “120 mm HE-T tank gun ammunition was produced locally and nationally with all its sub-components”
National Defense Minister Mr. Nurettin Canikli made a statement to the public after the test firings about the features of 120 mm HE-T tank ammunition: “In our country, 120 mm HE-T tank gun ammunition, which has not been produced before, has started to be produced by the MKE Institution. The 120 mm HE-T tank gun ammunition, which is very effective against open and sight defilade targets and which can be used by the tanks in urban operations especially known as proxy wars, was achieved as a result of an R&D project conducted by the MKE’s own resources. Since the tank gun is used against armored targets according to the conventional operation concept before today’s proxy wars, MKE has been producing armor piercing tank ammunition for this purpose until now. It developed 120 mm HE-T tank gun ammunitions during a period that could be considered very short in such studies, with the R&D project conducted by MKE against the changing target concept in Operation Euphrates Shield and Operation Olive Branch. With this project, MKE has gained the ability to produce 120 mm HE-T tank gun ammunitions together with all its sub-components locally and nationally. Following the production phase of prototypes, the design activities of which were completed in a short period of time, the firing tests were performed successfully. The certification and firing table preparation studies of the newly developed tank gun ammunitions are still ongoing. For the 120 mm HE-T tank gun ammunition, serial production will begin in the second half of 2018 and three thousand units will be delivered to the TAF this year. With this production to be made for the first time, 120 mm HE-T tank gun ammunition, which our army requests during operations but is difficult to import from abroad, will be provided domestically.”
Following the first firing tests of the ammunition, high and low temperature tests (+520C,-440C), design strength, wall drilling and fuse effectiveness tests conducted at the Konya / Karapınar MSB Firing Test Range and Evaluation Group Command were also successfully accomplished. Following this process, the qualification tests will take place.
For the 120 mm HE-T Tank Gun Ammunition, the aim is to start serial production in the second half of 2018 and three thousand units are scheduled to be delivered to the Turkish Armed Forces in the first phase.
The 120 mm HE-T Tank Gun Ammunition, which can be used in smoothbore weapon systems of a total length of 945 mm, a full thrust weight of about 27 kg, a muzzle velocity of up to 1050 m/s and an effective range of 4000 m in 120 mm tank gun munitions, can be used with 44 caliber M60T and Leopard 2A4 gun barrels.
Kad je ta municija u planu ? I jeli se i upaljaci proizvode lokalno ili uvoz ? Kako ce za cahuru koja je u paketu sa projektilom - proizvoditi bas komplet granatu ?155_mm wrote:znaci po ovoj stranici IDEF-a za 2019. PRETIS planira predstaviti tenkovsku municiju za 100 mm, 120 mm, i 125 mm. ono sto je zacudjujuce je to da nemaju municiju 105 mm za one tenkove M60 u tuzli. malo mi je to nelogicno. ili imaju saznanje da ce tenkovi u tuzli u buducnosti trebovati municiju kalibra 120 mm
zasigurno da 150-200 polovnih abramsa u tuzli ne bi nikom smetalo.
Bas me zanima koliko jedna posada godisnje ispali granata u vjezbi u OS BiH155_mm wrote:niko ne zna sta donosi buducnost ali nije za iskljuciti da neki trening tenkovskih posada u nekoj buducnosti u tuzli izgleda slicno ovome.
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Netacno - na videu je APFSDS - HEAT je High explosive anti-tank. -T na kraju oznacava tracer - ili ti svijetleci.155_mm wrote:za raju koja mozda ne zna sta to PRETIS pod imenom "120 mm HEAT-T CARTRIDGE M18" najavljuje za ovogodisnji sajam u turskoj. pogledati od 1:30

Fali ti SABOT , pogledaj slikice iznad razmisli... pa onda .. razmisli155_mm wrote:za ocekivati je da ce se neki forumasi zbog kombinacija slova i brojeva 120 mm HEAT-T CARTRIDGE M18 izgubiti ko abdest.
a kako i nebi. jer ta kombinacija brojeva i slova ne ostavlja od tenkova M84/T72 ni serafice citave.
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