SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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#87576 Re: SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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Chmoljo wrote: 27/12/2024 11:42 https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/bih/pronade ... /241227084
Na Bjelašnici je pronađeno beživotno tijelo meterologa za kojim se tragalo četiri dana.
jebiga...

svi smo se nadali nekom čudu.
Al ovo govori kako je nepredvidiva planina da se izgubio i na totalno drugoj strani planine zavrsio :( :-)
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#87577 Re: SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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Ljudi, sta bi moglo znaciti ono "tijelo pronadjeno s druge strane planine"? Na Bjelasnici sam bio, ali ne poznajem je najbolje. Je li ovo znaci da je nesretnik se mozda pokusao skloniti, ili zalutao. On je isao sa strane od Umoljana, koliko znam a kontra strana je prema Konjicu, zar ne? :sad:
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#87578 Re: SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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Peacean wrote: 27/12/2024 11:52 Kako baš meteorologa ovo da zadesi :?
Čovjek dobije zadatak, ne smije da da odbije strah ga otkaza, možda nije fizički spreman, možda ni psihički, a i ko zna kako je opremljen, za teškoće mećave. Lako je zalutati.

A možda mu se trenutno nešto desilo, neki akutni napad, pa nije uspio u tim uslovima da se oporavi.

Da smo država, bila bi istraga. Ovako...
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#87579 Re: SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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Hakiz wrote: 27/12/2024 11:57
Peacean wrote: 27/12/2024 11:52 Kako baš meteorologa ovo da zadesi :?
Čovjek dobije zadatak, ne smije da da odbije strah ga otkaza, možda nije fizički spreman, možda ni psihički, a i ko zna kako je opremljen, za teškoće mećave. Lako je zalutati.

A možda mu se trenutno nešto desilo, neki akutni napad, pa nije uspio u tim uslovima da se oporavi.

Da smo država, bila bi istraga. Ovako...
Ima na avazu tekst sa upisom njegovog rodjaka.
Covjek je valjda imao nekih zdravstvenih problema.
Pocivao u miru, bas tuzna vijest.
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#87580 Re: SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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Porodice Foht wrote: 27/12/2024 11:57 Ljudi, sta bi moglo znaciti ono "tijelo pronadjeno s druge strane planine"? Na Bjelasnici sam bio, ali ne poznajem je najbolje. Je li ovo znaci da je nesretnik se mozda pokusao skloniti, ili zalutao. On je isao sa strane od Umoljana, koliko znam a kontra strana je prema Konjicu, zar ne? :sad:
S druge strane su serpentine jer je tu prilaz motornim vozilima. Možda je nanos snijega bio prevelik s ove sjeverne strane a i prestrmo je pa je krenuo tim putem da proba ići sepentinama, možda je jednostavno zalutao.
Tužan ali očekivan kraj.
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#87581 Re: SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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Kažu da je bijela smrt jedan od ljepših načina da se rastavi sa životom?
Uglavnom se nakon perioda hlađenja čovjek ugasi i umre u snu.
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#87582 Re: SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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Naslovnica wrote: 27/12/2024 12:05 Kažu da je bijela smrt jedan od ljepših načina da se rastavi sa životom?
Uglavnom se nakon perioda hlađenja čovjek ugasi i umre u snu.
Jos se niko nije vratio da potvrdi teoriju :D
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#87583 Re: SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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Naslovnica wrote: 27/12/2024 12:05 Kažu
kako znaju
jesu li se vratili?

RIP čovjeku
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vernes81 wrote: 27/12/2024 12:09
Naslovnica wrote: 27/12/2024 12:05 Kažu da je bijela smrt jedan od ljepših načina da se rastavi sa životom?
Uglavnom se nakon perioda hlađenja čovjek ugasi i umre u snu.
Jos se niko nije vratio da potvrdi teoriju :D
Truba wrote: 27/12/2024 12:10
Naslovnica wrote: 27/12/2024 12:05 Kažu
kako znaju
jesu li se vratili?

RIP čovjeku
Na osnovu svjedočanstava onih koji su preživjeli bjelu smrt a kolege im se smrzle.
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#87585 Re: SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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Znaju oni koji su se za dlaku izvukli.
Kažu prvo postaneš pospan, pa ti postane toplo.
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#87586 Re: SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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Nadajmo se da će barem njegov direktor, rukovodioc i osoba zadužena za zaštitu na radu, adekvatno odgovarati.
To bi bila Pirova pobjeda, ali da se ne bi ponovilo mora postojati odgovornost.
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#87587 Re: SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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Naslovnica wrote: 27/12/2024 12:05 Kažu da je bijela smrt jedan od ljepših načina da se rastavi sa životom?
Uglavnom se nakon perioda hlađenja čovjek ugasi i umre u snu.
Malo mi je tesko zamisliti da je to ljepsi nacin, hajde sami kraj, ali prije toga dok se smrzavas i prije nego sto se uspavas ne moze biti ugodno nikako. Pri tome sam jedan od onih koji bolje podnosi hladnocu nego vrucinu, pa to bas ne bih pozelio da tako skoncam.
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Hakiz wrote: 27/12/2024 11:57
Peacean wrote: 27/12/2024 11:52 Kako baš meteorologa ovo da zadesi :?
Čovjek dobije zadatak, ne smije da da odbije strah ga otkaza, možda nije fizički spreman, možda ni psihički, a i ko zna kako je opremljen, za teškoće mećave. Lako je zalutati.

A možda mu se trenutno nešto desilo, neki akutni napad, pa nije uspio u tim uslovima da se oporavi.

Da smo država, bila bi istraga. Ovako...
Forum je vec proveo istragu, odabrani su krivci sad svi samo ocekuju sudstvo da iste adekvatno kazni
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#87589 Re: SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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Ateista wrote: 27/12/2024 13:00
Naslovnica wrote: 27/12/2024 12:05 Kažu da je bijela smrt jedan od ljepših načina da se rastavi sa životom?
Uglavnom se nakon perioda hlađenja čovjek ugasi i umre u snu.
Malo mi je tesko zamisliti da je to ljepsi nacin, hajde sami kraj, ali prije toga dok se smrzavas i prije nego sto se uspavas ne moze biti ugodno nikako. Pri tome sam jedan od onih koji bolje podnosi hladnocu nego vrucinu, pa to bas ne bih pozelio da tako skoncam.
Slažem se, svi smo gledali Igmanski marš na zimskom raspustu.
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#87590 Re: SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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Naslovnica wrote: 27/12/2024 13:17
Ateista wrote: 27/12/2024 13:00
Naslovnica wrote: 27/12/2024 12:05 Kažu da je bijela smrt jedan od ljepših načina da se rastavi sa životom?
Uglavnom se nakon perioda hlađenja čovjek ugasi i umre u snu.
Malo mi je tesko zamisliti da je to ljepsi nacin, hajde sami kraj, ali prije toga dok se smrzavas i prije nego sto se uspavas ne moze biti ugodno nikako. Pri tome sam jedan od onih koji bolje podnosi hladnocu nego vrucinu, pa to bas ne bih pozelio da tako skoncam.
Slažem se, svi smo gledali Igmanski marš na zimskom raspustu.
Ja nisam gledao :D
Slabo sam generalno domace filmove gledao.
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#87591 Re: SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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Ako je 500 metara u pitanju, kakav je to nemoguc poduhvat pruziti kabal od 500 metara i dvjestotinjak metalnih nosaca.
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#87592 Re: SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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a tuge, pa kud je morao po onom nevremenu da ide. neko mora da odgovara za ovo :(
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#87593 Re: SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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Po mećavi se ne ide nikud, naročito ne sam samcat kroz planinu.
Zašto je to uradio, to je samo on mogao znati.
Ali takav se nalog mora odbiti.
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#87594 Re: SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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Nema ništa ugodno ovdje osim pomena da osjetiš toplotu u jednom momentu.
Mild
Symptoms of mild hypothermia may be vague,[15] with sympathetic nervous system excitation (shivering, high blood pressure, fast heart rate, fast respiratory rate, and contraction of blood vessels). These are all physiological responses to preserve heat.[16] Increased urine production due to cold, mental confusion, and liver dysfunction may also be present.[17] Hyperglycemia may be present, as glucose consumption by cells and insulin secretion both decrease, and tissue sensitivity to insulin may be blunted.[18] Sympathetic activation also releases glucose from the liver. In many cases, however, especially in people with alcoholic intoxication, hypoglycemia appears to be a more common cause.[18] Hypoglycemia is also found in many people with hypothermia, as hypothermia may be a result of hypoglycemia.[19]

Moderate
As hypothermia progresses, symptoms include: mental status changes such as amnesia, confusion, slurred speech, decreased reflexes, and loss of fine motor skills.[20]

Severe
As the temperature decreases, further physiological systems falter and heart rate, respiratory rate, and blood pressure all decrease. This results in an expected heart rate in the 30s at a temperature of 28 °C (82 °F).[17]

There is often cold, inflamed skin, hallucinations, lack of reflexes, fixed dilated pupils, low blood pressure, pulmonary edema, and shivering is often absent.[20] Pulse and respiration rates decrease significantly, but fast heart rates (ventricular tachycardia, atrial fibrillation) can also occur. Atrial fibrillation is not typically a concern in and of itself.[2]

Paradoxical undressing
Twenty to fifty percent of hypothermia deaths are associated with paradoxical undressing. This typically occurs during moderate and severe hypothermia, as the person becomes disoriented, confused, and combative. They may begin discarding their clothing, which, in turn, increases the rate of heat loss.[21][22]

Rescuers who are trained in mountain survival techniques are taught to expect this; however, people who die from hypothermia in urban environments who are found in an undressed state are sometimes incorrectly assumed to have been subjected to sexual assault.[23]

One explanation for the effect is a cold-induced malfunction of the hypothalamus, the part of the brain that regulates body temperature. Another explanation is that the muscles contracting peripheral blood vessels become exhausted (known as a loss of vasomotor tone) and relax, leading to a sudden surge of blood (and heat) to the extremities, causing the person to feel overheated.[23][24]


Terminal burrowing
An apparent self-protective behaviour, known as "terminal burrowing", or "hide-and-die syndrome",[25] occurs in the final stages of hypothermia. Those affected will enter small, enclosed spaces, such as underneath beds or behind wardrobes. It is often associated with paradoxical undressing.[26] Researchers in Germany claim this is "obviously an autonomous process of the brain stem, which is triggered in the final state of hypothermia and produces a primitive and burrowing-like behavior of protection, as seen in hibernating mammals".[27] This happens mostly in cases where temperature drops slowly.[24]
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#87595 Re: SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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Neko je spominjao mogućnost telekom operatera da locira mobitel, AI:

1. Triangulacija baznih stanica

Operater koristi signal mobitela prema tri ili više baznih stanica. Preciznost:

Urbanim područjima: 50-200 metara, jer su bazne stanice bliže jedna drugoj.
Ruralnim područjima: 500 metara do nekoliko kilometara, jer su bazne stanice udaljenije.

Razni objekti (zgrade, brda, šume) mogu ometati signal i utjecati na preciznost. Signal može reflektirati ili oslabiti, što otežava tačno mjerenje udaljenosti od baznih stanica.

Ako je mobitel u dometu samo jedne ili dvije bazne stanice, preciznost se značajno smanjuje jer nije moguće napraviti trokut koji precizno odredi lokaciju.
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#87596 Re: SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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drug_profi wrote: 27/12/2024 13:29 Po mećavi se ne ide nikud, naročito ne sam samcat kroz planinu.
Zašto je to uradio, to je samo on mogao znati.
Ali takav se nalog mora odbiti.
Neko reče da se radi o petsto metara od žice do objekta.

Ali u mećavi gdje ne vidiš prst pred okom petsto metara od velika distanca.
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#87597 Re: SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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Ne vidiš ni dva metra od sebe, a baška što je sve bijelo i nema nikakvih sjena ni oblika.
Možeš ići u krug i nećeš znati da to radiš.
Možeš pokušati uz GPS navigaciju da se držiš pravca, ali isto tako možeš proći 5-10 metara kraj destinacije i ne vidjeti je... i opet se vrtiti u krug.
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#87598 Re: SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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DaysleepeR wrote: 27/12/2024 13:30 Nema ništa ugodno ovdje osim pomena da osjetiš toplotu u jednom momentu.
Mild
Symptoms of mild hypothermia may be vague,[15] with sympathetic nervous system excitation (shivering, high blood pressure, fast heart rate, fast respiratory rate, and contraction of blood vessels). These are all physiological responses to preserve heat.[16] Increased urine production due to cold, mental confusion, and liver dysfunction may also be present.[17] Hyperglycemia may be present, as glucose consumption by cells and insulin secretion both decrease, and tissue sensitivity to insulin may be blunted.[18] Sympathetic activation also releases glucose from the liver. In many cases, however, especially in people with alcoholic intoxication, hypoglycemia appears to be a more common cause.[18] Hypoglycemia is also found in many people with hypothermia, as hypothermia may be a result of hypoglycemia.[19]

Moderate
As hypothermia progresses, symptoms include: mental status changes such as amnesia, confusion, slurred speech, decreased reflexes, and loss of fine motor skills.[20]

Severe
As the temperature decreases, further physiological systems falter and heart rate, respiratory rate, and blood pressure all decrease. This results in an expected heart rate in the 30s at a temperature of 28 °C (82 °F).[17]

There is often cold, inflamed skin, hallucinations, lack of reflexes, fixed dilated pupils, low blood pressure, pulmonary edema, and shivering is often absent.[20] Pulse and respiration rates decrease significantly, but fast heart rates (ventricular tachycardia, atrial fibrillation) can also occur. Atrial fibrillation is not typically a concern in and of itself.[2]

Paradoxical undressing
Twenty to fifty percent of hypothermia deaths are associated with paradoxical undressing. This typically occurs during moderate and severe hypothermia, as the person becomes disoriented, confused, and combative. They may begin discarding their clothing, which, in turn, increases the rate of heat loss.[21][22]

Rescuers who are trained in mountain survival techniques are taught to expect this; however, people who die from hypothermia in urban environments who are found in an undressed state are sometimes incorrectly assumed to have been subjected to sexual assault.[23]

One explanation for the effect is a cold-induced malfunction of the hypothalamus, the part of the brain that regulates body temperature. Another explanation is that the muscles contracting peripheral blood vessels become exhausted (known as a loss of vasomotor tone) and relax, leading to a sudden surge of blood (and heat) to the extremities, causing the person to feel overheated.[23][24]


Terminal burrowing
An apparent self-protective behaviour, known as "terminal burrowing", or "hide-and-die syndrome",[25] occurs in the final stages of hypothermia. Those affected will enter small, enclosed spaces, such as underneath beds or behind wardrobes. It is often associated with paradoxical undressing.[26] Researchers in Germany claim this is "obviously an autonomous process of the brain stem, which is triggered in the final state of hypothermia and produces a primitive and burrowing-like behavior of protection, as seen in hibernating mammals".[27] This happens mostly in cases where temperature drops slowly.[24]
Da, paradokslano svlačenje, odmah me podsjeti na slučaj Dijatlov prolaz. Ali ovdje mislim da se nije to desilo.
Međutim izvjesno je da se u takvim slučajevima radi o velikoj agoniji i patnji i u svakom slučaju to nije lagana smrt.
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#87599 Re: SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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insaneinthebrain wrote: 27/12/2024 13:28 a tuge, pa kud je morao po onom nevremenu da ide. neko mora da odgovara za ovo :(
A vala se moglo i interno, po meni. Sta je morao direktor znati da ce onaj gore ostati jos pola dana ili dan duze dok se bar malo ne popravi vrijeme a da Mirza to naradi poslije i eto. Zar se nije moglo tako djelovati u ekstremnim uslovima?
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#87600 Re: SARAJEVO - CRNA HRONIKA Vol. 5

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Chmoljo wrote: 27/12/2024 11:42 https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/bih/pronade ... /241227084
Na Bjelašnici je pronađeno beživotno tijelo meterologa za kojim se tragalo četiri dana.
jebiga...

svi smo se nadali nekom čudu.

Rahmet mu dusi a porodici sabur, poznavao sam ga, jedna velika dobricina... :(
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