Obama i SAD (2008-2016)
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Tuzlachina
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#851
nikad gorih faca nije bilo .... a valja glasat ...
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jeza u ledja
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#852
Jes vala bas.Tuzlachina wrote:nikad gorih faca nije bilo .... a valja glasat ...
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jeza u ledja
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#854
Obama po nekim racunicama nakon veceras (i nakon sto se uracunaju zaostali rezultati iz nekih drzava, mahom iz njegovih CO i WA) ce imati prednost od oko 170 delegata nad Hillary. Cak ukljucujuci i procjenjene superdelegate Obama bi imao prednost od oko 90-100 boba.
Sada predstoji zatisje pred buru u martu. U medjuvremenu, 19. marta se odrzavaju jos prajmariz na Havajima i u Wisconsinu. Za HI (20 boba) se zna da Obama sigurno uzima, medjutim po anketama u Wisconsinu (74 bobe) Clinton vodi. Ali evo Obama dere za 10-15% boba vise nego procjenjeno u anketama. Niko nije procjenjivao da ce sa po 30 boba razlike uzimati Hillary danas ili preko vikenda, pa evo sta se desava.
Dakle u 5 dana Obama je uzeo Washington, Nebrasku, Louisianu, Maine, Virginiju, Maryland i DC, a Clinton je uzela - sipak.
Ne znam, ostaje da sacekamo 4 mart i Texas (193 bobe), te Ohio (141 boba). Clintonova treba uzeti obadva takmicenja da bi se izjednacila sa Obamom. Ako se pak desi iznenadjenje i Obama uzme i TX i OH u martu pisulja se moze pozdravit sa kandidaturom. Dakle, 4 marta, Obama ima sansu za nokautom.
Evo preostalih drzava i termina prajmariz, zajedno sa brojem boba koje nose:
19/2
Hawaii (20)
Wisconsin (74)
4/3
Ohio (141)
Rhode Island (21)
Texas (193)
Vermont (15)
8/3
Wyoming (12)
11/3
Mississippi (33)
22/4
Pennsylvania (158)
6/5
Indiana (72)
North Carolina (115)
13/5
West Virginia (28)
20/5
Kentucky (51)
Oregon (52)
3/6
Montana (16)
South Dakota (15)
Sada predstoji zatisje pred buru u martu. U medjuvremenu, 19. marta se odrzavaju jos prajmariz na Havajima i u Wisconsinu. Za HI (20 boba) se zna da Obama sigurno uzima, medjutim po anketama u Wisconsinu (74 bobe) Clinton vodi. Ali evo Obama dere za 10-15% boba vise nego procjenjeno u anketama. Niko nije procjenjivao da ce sa po 30 boba razlike uzimati Hillary danas ili preko vikenda, pa evo sta se desava.
Dakle u 5 dana Obama je uzeo Washington, Nebrasku, Louisianu, Maine, Virginiju, Maryland i DC, a Clinton je uzela - sipak.
Ne znam, ostaje da sacekamo 4 mart i Texas (193 bobe), te Ohio (141 boba). Clintonova treba uzeti obadva takmicenja da bi se izjednacila sa Obamom. Ako se pak desi iznenadjenje i Obama uzme i TX i OH u martu pisulja se moze pozdravit sa kandidaturom. Dakle, 4 marta, Obama ima sansu za nokautom.
Evo preostalih drzava i termina prajmariz, zajedno sa brojem boba koje nose:
19/2
Hawaii (20)
Wisconsin (74)
4/3
Ohio (141)
Rhode Island (21)
Texas (193)
Vermont (15)
8/3
Wyoming (12)
11/3
Mississippi (33)
22/4
Pennsylvania (158)
6/5
Indiana (72)
North Carolina (115)
13/5
West Virginia (28)
20/5
Kentucky (51)
Oregon (52)
3/6
Montana (16)
South Dakota (15)
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jeza u ledja
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#856
Sheez!!pitt wrote:jaoj........sto je deremo:D:D:D:D
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#860
Philip Roth, jedan od najslavnijih amer. pisaca govori za njemacki tjednik DER SPIEGEL, izmedju ostalog i o svom favoritu u predsjednickoj utrci ..
SPIEGEL: Do you still care about politics? Are you following the 2008 election?
Roth: Unfortunately, yeah. I didn't, until about two weeks ago -- until then it wasn't real. Then I watched the New Hampshire primary debates, and the Republicans are so unbelievably impossible. I watched the Democratic ones and became interested in Obama. I think I'll vote for him.
SPIEGEL: What made you interested in Obama?
Roth: I'm interested in the fact that he's black. I feel the race issue in this country is more important than the feminist issue. I think that the importance to blacks would be tremendous. He's an attractive man, he's smart, he happens to be tremendously articulate. His position in the Democratic Party is more or less okay with me. And I think it would be important to American blacks if he became president.
SPIEGEL: It could change society, couldn't it?
Roth: Yes, it could. It would say something about this country, and it would be a marvelous thing. I don't know whether it's going to happen. I rarely vote for anybody who wins. It's going to be the kiss of death if you write in your magazine that I'm going to vote for Barack Obama. Then he's finished!
SPIEGEL: The discussions around Obama remind us of your figure Coleman Silk, the hero of "The Human Stain," who is black with unusually light skin and then invents a Jewish biography. What we mean is the questions of belonging, of right and wrong behavior. Is Barack Obama black enough?
Roth: I know this discussion goes on, but I think it will disappear if he gets the nomination. The reality of his running will wash that away. Anybody who's half white and half black is considered black anyway. That's one drop of blood.
SPIEGEL: For whites to consider him black, yes. But the question is whether the blacks consider him black.
Roth: They will once the election goes on. If he gets the nomination.
SPIEGEL: Do you actually believe that Obama could change Washington or could change politics?
Roth: I'm interested in what merely his presence would be. You know, who he is, where he comes from, that is the change. That is the same thing with Hillary Clinton, just who she is would create a gigantic change. As for all that other rhetoric about change, change, change -- it's pure semantics, it doesn't mean a thing. They'll respond to particular situations as they arise.
SPIEGEL: Are you interested in the Clintons as a couple? Are they literary figures?
Roth: Oh, this is the soap opera side. They're tremendously aggressive, I think they'll say or do anything actually that they can get away with, but no, they don't interest me as a couple. Bill Clinton was interesting as the president -- I don't know what he is now. I think they can overplay that hand, being aggressive, and people will be irritated by it.
SPIEGEL: What will remain of the current president, George W. Bush? Could he be forgotten once he leaves office?
Roth: He was too horrendous to be forgotten. There will be an awful lot written about this. And there's a lot to be written about the war. There's a lot to be written about what he did with Reaganism, since he went much further than Reagan. So he won't be forgotten. Someone has said he's the worst American president we've ever had. I think that's true.
SPIEGEL: Do you still care about politics? Are you following the 2008 election?
Roth: Unfortunately, yeah. I didn't, until about two weeks ago -- until then it wasn't real. Then I watched the New Hampshire primary debates, and the Republicans are so unbelievably impossible. I watched the Democratic ones and became interested in Obama. I think I'll vote for him.
SPIEGEL: What made you interested in Obama?
Roth: I'm interested in the fact that he's black. I feel the race issue in this country is more important than the feminist issue. I think that the importance to blacks would be tremendous. He's an attractive man, he's smart, he happens to be tremendously articulate. His position in the Democratic Party is more or less okay with me. And I think it would be important to American blacks if he became president.
SPIEGEL: It could change society, couldn't it?
Roth: Yes, it could. It would say something about this country, and it would be a marvelous thing. I don't know whether it's going to happen. I rarely vote for anybody who wins. It's going to be the kiss of death if you write in your magazine that I'm going to vote for Barack Obama. Then he's finished!
SPIEGEL: The discussions around Obama remind us of your figure Coleman Silk, the hero of "The Human Stain," who is black with unusually light skin and then invents a Jewish biography. What we mean is the questions of belonging, of right and wrong behavior. Is Barack Obama black enough?
Roth: I know this discussion goes on, but I think it will disappear if he gets the nomination. The reality of his running will wash that away. Anybody who's half white and half black is considered black anyway. That's one drop of blood.
SPIEGEL: For whites to consider him black, yes. But the question is whether the blacks consider him black.
Roth: They will once the election goes on. If he gets the nomination.
SPIEGEL: Do you actually believe that Obama could change Washington or could change politics?
Roth: I'm interested in what merely his presence would be. You know, who he is, where he comes from, that is the change. That is the same thing with Hillary Clinton, just who she is would create a gigantic change. As for all that other rhetoric about change, change, change -- it's pure semantics, it doesn't mean a thing. They'll respond to particular situations as they arise.
SPIEGEL: Are you interested in the Clintons as a couple? Are they literary figures?
Roth: Oh, this is the soap opera side. They're tremendously aggressive, I think they'll say or do anything actually that they can get away with, but no, they don't interest me as a couple. Bill Clinton was interesting as the president -- I don't know what he is now. I think they can overplay that hand, being aggressive, and people will be irritated by it.
SPIEGEL: What will remain of the current president, George W. Bush? Could he be forgotten once he leaves office?
Roth: He was too horrendous to be forgotten. There will be an awful lot written about this. And there's a lot to be written about the war. There's a lot to be written about what he did with Reaganism, since he went much further than Reagan. So he won't be forgotten. Someone has said he's the worst American president we've ever had. I think that's true.
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hik-meta
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#861
ne kontam sto vecina nasih ljudi podrzava obamu, a ismijava clintonku. zar nama bosancima nije bolje da prema nama prijateljski nastrojena klintonova administracija opet dodje na vlast, a ne neki novi ljudi oko obame koji pojma nemaju ni gdje je BiH na mapi?
a mislim da hillary isto tako ima puno vece sanse protiv onog war-mongera mccaina nego crnac. koliko god to izgledalo banalno, rasa ce igrati ulogu kad bude stani-pani.
a mislim da hillary isto tako ima puno vece sanse protiv onog war-mongera mccaina nego crnac. koliko god to izgledalo banalno, rasa ce igrati ulogu kad bude stani-pani.
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Brisbane
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#862
Potpisujem!hik-meta wrote:ne kontam sto vecina nasih ljudi podrzava obamu, a ismijava clintonku. zar nama bosancima nije bolje da prema nama prijateljski nastrojena klintonova administracija opet dodje na vlast, a ne neki novi ljudi oko obame koji pojma nemaju ni gdje je BiH na mapi?
a mislim da hillary isto tako ima puno vece sanse protiv onog war-mongera mccaina nego crnac. koliko god to izgledalo banalno, rasa ce igrati ulogu kad bude stani-pani.
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jeza u ledja
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#863
Po svim istrazivanjima Obama ima vece sanse protiv McCaina zato sto privlaci ljude iz centra. Clintonova ima previse ljudi koji je ne podnose. Rekoh vec ranije, u glavama ljudi koji ne glasaju iskljucivo za Republikance nema stani-pani. Ako neko glasa na rasnoj osnovi taj svakako nece ni glasati za Demokrate, ko god da je kandidat. Plus - kada malo bolje razmislim - ima vise bijelaca koji nece glasati za zenu nego onih koji nece glasati za crnca.hik-meta wrote:ne kontam sto vecina nasih ljudi podrzava obamu, a ismijava clintonku. zar nama bosancima nije bolje da prema nama prijateljski nastrojena klintonova administracija opet dodje na vlast, a ne neki novi ljudi oko obame koji pojma nemaju ni gdje je BiH na mapi?
a mislim da hillary isto tako ima puno vece sanse protiv onog war-mongera mccaina nego crnac. koliko god to izgledalo banalno, rasa ce igrati ulogu kad bude stani-pani.
Dosta raje ovdje na forumu koji ga podrzavaju ne razmisljaju o predsjedniku USA samo u kontekstu BiH. To jedno, a drugo ista ta raja shvata da se politika USA (prijateljska!) prema BiH nece promjeniti ko god bude predsjednik, isto kao sto shvata da je Bosna kandidatima zadnja stvar na pameti. (npr. trenutno kongresmeni imaju veci uticaj na politiku USA prema BiH od predsjednika)
Ja ga podrzavam ne zato sto ima neki jako smislen program (recimo Clintonova je bolja u tome), ali mislim da pozicija predsjednika USA nije samo posao za tehnokrate, ili ti strebere, kakva je Hillary, kao sto nije ni za tvrdoglavog kretena kao sto je Bush. Drugo sto mislim da bi Obama kao predsjednik USA potpuno promjenio ugled zemlje u svijetu, a pogotovo medju islamskim zemljama. Mozda glupo zvuci, ali gledajuci i slusajuci Obamu kod covjeka se stvarno pobudi nada da je jedna zemlja sposobna preporoditi samu sebe i krenuti novim putem, i to u trenutku kad se nalazi u blatu. Obama vrlo mnogo (doduse na potpuno drukciji nacin) podsjeca na JFK u ta doba. Covjek ima potpuno drukciju viziju kako ova zemlja i svijet treba da izgleda od Demokratskog establishmenta.
Kada bi stvarno taj covjek postao predsjednik to bi bilo najvece politicko iznenadjenje u zadnjih 100 godina u Americi.
Zbog svega toga, kao Bosanca, takav moguci ishod stvari budi kod mene nadu da politika, izbori i cijeli taj politicki i izborni proces, na koji vecina Bosanaca gleda sa cinizmom i rezigniranoscu (pogotovo mladi ljudi!), stvarno jednog dana moze nesto napraviti, tj. postoji podloga za nekog sasvim drukcijeg da povede nOarod u bolje sutra. To je ono kad se neko pojavi niodkud i podigne narod na noge.
I kad skontam, i Clintonova, i Edwards i Obama su ljudi koji su sami sebe doveli tu gdje jesu, napornim radom, pamecu i ambicijama. Niko od njih nije iz bogate porodice (cak sta vise Edwards je bio sirotinja), a evo gdje su se doveli. Nije to mala stvar.
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jeza u ledja
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#864
Mozda da vam probam predociti na nasem primjeru:
Zamislite da glasaci SDPa biraju predsjednika stranke izmedju Lagumdzije (Bosnjaka) i Komsica (Hrvata). Vecina glasaca SDPa su Bosnjaci. Da li bi oni glasali za Lagumdziju (=Clinton) zato sto je Bosnjak, umjesto za Komsica (=Obamu), jer je on Hrvat?
Zamislite da glasaci SDPa biraju predsjednika stranke izmedju Lagumdzije (Bosnjaka) i Komsica (Hrvata). Vecina glasaca SDPa su Bosnjaci. Da li bi oni glasali za Lagumdziju (=Clinton) zato sto je Bosnjak, umjesto za Komsica (=Obamu), jer je on Hrvat?
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pitt
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#866
ja fakat ne kontam kako hilary odmah ljepite za klintonovu administraciju????? Ko nebo i zemlja.........nikakve veze ona nema sa tim...stavise ona i bill se u mnogo cemu razlikuju. Npr. Bubba je bio veliki pobornik NAFTA ui free trade dok se ona zestoko tome suprostavlja. A tim kojima rasa igra ulogu, vjerovatno ce i spol nesto znaciti. Klintonovu ljudi ne zele za predsjednika zato sto vjeruju da bi samo jos vise podjelila zemlju i politiku.hik-meta wrote:ne kontam sto vecina nasih ljudi podrzava obamu, a ismijava clintonku. zar nama bosancima nije bolje da prema nama prijateljski nastrojena klintonova administracija opet dodje na vlast, a ne neki novi ljudi oko obame koji pojma nemaju ni gdje je BiH na mapi?
a mislim da hillary isto tako ima puno vece sanse protiv onog war-mongera mccaina nego crnac. koliko god to izgledalo banalno, rasa ce igrati ulogu kad bude stani-pani.
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hik-meta
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#867
bilo bi tijesno, ali mislim da bi ipak lagumdzija dobio. ali to poredjenje nekako nije na mjestu, stakes are higher sto bi rekli na ovom nivou u poredjenju sa nasim bezznacajnim tamnim vilajetom gdje se nista ni za 100 godina nece bitno promjeniti.jeza u ledja wrote:Mozda da vam probam predociti na nasem primjeru:
Zamislite da glasaci SDPa biraju predsjednika stranke izmedju Lagumdzije (Bosnjaka) i Komsica (Hrvata). Vecina glasaca SDPa su Bosnjaci. Da li bi oni glasali za Lagumdziju (=Clinton) zato sto je Bosnjak, umjesto za Komsica (=Obamu), jer je on Hrvat?
umjesnije bi bilo pitanje da li bi Bosnjaci glasali za neku svoju zenu, ili za nekog Srbina iz RS sa slicnim stavovima da bude predsjednik BiH.
mislim da ionako mccain dobija sta god da se desi sa demokratama. republikanci imaju vremena za par "akcija" do novembra koje ce uvjeriti average joea da je bolje da glasa za rat i bijelog heroja iz vijetnama nego za ove minority "revolucionare".
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walkabout
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#868
Crna Hikmeta...sta napisa...hik-meta wrote:
mislim da ionako mccain dobija sta god da se desi sa demokratama. republikanci imaju vremena za par "akcija" do novembra koje ce uvjeriti average joea da je bolje da glasa za rat i bijelog heroja iz vijetnama nego za ove minority "revolucionare".
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Hantraga
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#870
MA lako je brotheru pobjediti Hilari u mnogim bjelackim drzavama...Pitanje je hoce li pobjediti McCaina u tim istim drzavama...
Ja stvarno nemam nista protiv Obame, cak bi super bilo da on bude predsjednik, samo se bojim da kad dodje izbor za predjsednika, sve one bjelcuge ce opet glasati za McCaina, ili uopste nece glasati, sto ce pomoci McCainu...
Ma koliko se kult o Obami sirio, kad dodje dan izbora, opet ce presuditi ta standarna vecina koja uvjek glasa...A to su penzioneri i ljudi sa ruralnih djelova zemlje...
I imajte na umu da se u predjednickim izborima pobjednik uzima sve bobe od te drzave...
Dakle ako izgubis 51:49, gubis tu drzavu...
Mislim da su Obamine sanse jako male u tom obracunu sa starim bjelackim dedom, koji ce sigurno skupiti 51% u vecini americkih drzava...
Ja stvarno nemam nista protiv Obame, cak bi super bilo da on bude predsjednik, samo se bojim da kad dodje izbor za predjsednika, sve one bjelcuge ce opet glasati za McCaina, ili uopste nece glasati, sto ce pomoci McCainu...
Ma koliko se kult o Obami sirio, kad dodje dan izbora, opet ce presuditi ta standarna vecina koja uvjek glasa...A to su penzioneri i ljudi sa ruralnih djelova zemlje...
I imajte na umu da se u predjednickim izborima pobjednik uzima sve bobe od te drzave...
Dakle ako izgubis 51:49, gubis tu drzavu...
Mislim da su Obamine sanse jako male u tom obracunu sa starim bjelackim dedom, koji ce sigurno skupiti 51% u vecini americkih drzava...
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walkabout
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#872
To ti je gore nego droga...pitt wrote:hikmeta zivi od teorija zavjera
Izazov je takorekuc umjetnost razluciti sta je bilo od onoga sto izgleda da je bilo...
Glede Obame - pa zar nije ova diskusija ovdje sta ce da bidne a ne sta treba da bidne (ko to vice pozadi 2000-ta i Al Gore
- Hikmeta jesil to ti )Nego, jeste li spremili spisak svojih problema da ih posaljete novom precjedniku (ko god bijo) da vam ih rijesi...
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karabaja-x
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#873
hikmeta i hantraga hajde ba recite otvoreno da ne volite crnje, nemojte više toga okolo okolo vrtilo se kolo ko oko sokolovo
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hik-meta
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#875
evo vec jedanaestu godinu zivim na americkom jugu i nije da ih ne volim, nego sam se uklopila u mentalnu segregaciju koja vlada u ovom drustvu, a ovo sa atentatom samo prenosim ideje kojim mi ameri bijelci pune glavu.karabaja-x wrote:hikmeta i hantraga hajde ba recite otvoreno da ne volite crnje, nemojte vi¹e toga okolo okolo vrtilo se kolo ko oko sokolovo
a zasto je tako? pa ovdje su rasne teritorije vec stoljecima homogenije nego etnicki "ciste" teritorije trenutno u BiH. tesko se mentalitet mijenja.