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Ludzak wrote: Ja kažemo ono što i jeste, a vi hoćete li se složiti, ili ne, mene to ne zanima.

Ludzak wrote:

Evo vam jedan video Irana prije i poslije islamske revolucije. Jeste da je u slikama, al' i slike su OK. Pa da pogledate kakva ubijanja i kakve stvari su se radile u vreme islamske revolucije i uspostavljanja diktatorskog režima. Ja vam kažem da narod u Iranu nisu muslimani jer to žele biti, nego im je nametnuto baš od tog režima.

Ludzak wrote:Njima je islamska republika nametnuta. Bar 60% Iranaca će ti reči da Iran nije islamska republika.

Breathless wrote:Dva zanimljiva dokumentarca, a preporuka posebno onima osakacenim predrasudama.

The revolution is over
After decades of messianic fervour, Iran is becoming a more mature and modern country, says Oliver August
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Yet the country has unmistakably changed. The regime may remain suspicious of the West, and drone on about seeding revolutions in oppressor countries, but the revolutionary fervour and drab conformism have gone. Iran is desperate to trade with whomever will buy its oil. Globalisation trumps puritanism even here.
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The appetite for revolution has waned on all sides. Reformists are tired after their failed attempt in 2009 to push aside a government they considered illegitimate because the vote was rigged. Protests were put down bloodily, reminding many of the unhappy years after the revolution. Since then, reformists have recoiled at political bloodshed in neighbouring countries. Conservatives, for their part, have come to see revolution as a threat to their interests abroad; regimes they fostered in Iraq and Syria are fighting rebellions not unlike Iran’s home-grown one in 1979. “The Arab spring fallout has scared everyone,” says a Western diplomat in Tehran. “Iran is now a bastion of stability. The question of the validity of the regime has been settled.”
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The most visible shift is in public infrastructure. Tehran, the capital, is a tangle of new tunnels, bridges, overpasses, elevated roads and pedestrian walkways. Shiny towers rise in large numbers, despite the sanctions. Screens at bus stops display schedules in real time. Jack Straw, a former British foreign minister and a regular visitor, says that “Tehran looks and feels these days more like Madrid and Athens than Mumbai or Cairo.”
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Prosperity has inspired an obsession with technology that restrictions on internet access cannot dampen. Facebook is the primary medium for half the country’s youth and Twitter is used by officials to put out statements—never mind that both are banned. Freedom House, an American human-rights lobby, ranks Iran last in the world in terms of internet freedom, but in reality access is cheap and fast. (The fastest speeds are achieved near seminaries, since clerics preach online and get priority on fibre-optic cables.)
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The hunger for free information is fuelled by rising education levels, which are now comparable to those in Western countries. In 2009, 34% of Iranians in the relevant age group went to university. Three years later the number had gone up to 55% and is said to have climbed further since then, mostly thanks to the huge expansion of Azad University, which now has over 100 campuses and 1.5m students. Iran’s cabinet has more members with PhDs from American universities than that of America itself; the president, Hassan Rohani, got his in Scotland. According to SCImago, a Spanish firm that monitors academic journals, Iran’s scientific output has increased by 575% in the past decade. The country also publishes three times more books than all Arab nations combined.

The vastly expanded education system, which makes particular efforts to reach poor and rural families, has acted as a catalyst for independent thinking. The art world has opened up. Film scripts still require approval, but religious themes have faded. Culture is no longer a mere propaganda tool.
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Nor are they much interested in religion (see article). The majority of Iranians are Shia Muslims; they generally put less emphasis on public worship than Sunnis, but that alone cannot explain the many empty mosques. Friday prayers at Tehran University—often the place for ideological pontificating by clerical leaders—are well attended, but in the provinces it is different. Few believers turn up in the main mosque in Zanjan, a soaring concrete structure with double-glazed windows and powerful air-conditioning near the Azeri border.
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Captain Ahab wrote:Vrlo zanimljiv izvjestaj o Iranu u "The Economistu" i o tome koliko se iransko drustvo izmijenilio u zadnjih 35 godina.

http://www.economist.com/news/special-r ... rn-country
(8 clanaka ukupno, linkovi su na dnu prve stranice)

The revolution is over
After decades of messianic fervour, Iran is becoming a more mature and modern country, says Oliver August
...
Yet the country has unmistakably changed. The regime may remain suspicious of the West, and drone on about seeding revolutions in oppressor countries, but the revolutionary fervour and drab conformism have gone. Iran is desperate to trade with whomever will buy its oil. Globalisation trumps puritanism even here.
...
The appetite for revolution has waned on all sides. Reformists are tired after their failed attempt in 2009 to push aside a government they considered illegitimate because the vote was rigged. Protests were put down bloodily, reminding many of the unhappy years after the revolution. Since then, reformists have recoiled at political bloodshed in neighbouring countries. Conservatives, for their part, have come to see revolution as a threat to their interests abroad; regimes they fostered in Iraq and Syria are fighting rebellions not unlike Iran’s home-grown one in 1979. “The Arab spring fallout has scared everyone,” says a Western diplomat in Tehran. “Iran is now a bastion of stability. The question of the validity of the regime has been settled.”
...
The most visible shift is in public infrastructure. Tehran, the capital, is a tangle of new tunnels, bridges, overpasses, elevated roads and pedestrian walkways. Shiny towers rise in large numbers, despite the sanctions. Screens at bus stops display schedules in real time. Jack Straw, a former British foreign minister and a regular visitor, says that “Tehran looks and feels these days more like Madrid and Athens than Mumbai or Cairo.”
...
Prosperity has inspired an obsession with technology that restrictions on internet access cannot dampen. Facebook is the primary medium for half the country’s youth and Twitter is used by officials to put out statements—never mind that both are banned. Freedom House, an American human-rights lobby, ranks Iran last in the world in terms of internet freedom, but in reality access is cheap and fast. (The fastest speeds are achieved near seminaries, since clerics preach online and get priority on fibre-optic cables.)
...
The hunger for free information is fuelled by rising education levels, which are now comparable to those in Western countries. In 2009, 34% of Iranians in the relevant age group went to university. Three years later the number had gone up to 55% and is said to have climbed further since then, mostly thanks to the huge expansion of Azad University, which now has over 100 campuses and 1.5m students. Iran’s cabinet has more members with PhDs from American universities than that of America itself; the president, Hassan Rohani, got his in Scotland. According to SCImago, a Spanish firm that monitors academic journals, Iran’s scientific output has increased by 575% in the past decade. The country also publishes three times more books than all Arab nations combined.

The vastly expanded education system, which makes particular efforts to reach poor and rural families, has acted as a catalyst for independent thinking. The art world has opened up. Film scripts still require approval, but religious themes have faded. Culture is no longer a mere propaganda tool.
...
Nor are they much interested in religion (see article). The majority of Iranians are Shia Muslims; they generally put less emphasis on public worship than Sunnis, but that alone cannot explain the many empty mosques. Friday prayers at Tehran University—often the place for ideological pontificating by clerical leaders—are well attended, but in the provinces it is different. Few believers turn up in the main mosque in Zanjan, a soaring concrete structure with double-glazed windows and powerful air-conditioning near the Azeri border.
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parangal_ wrote: cim economist hvali teheran, znaci da su se usrali od isisa i traze saveznike u iranu. nije dzaba obama slao pismo neki dan...

Captain Ahab wrote:

parangal_ wrote: cim economist hvali teheran, znaci da su se usrali od isisa i traze saveznike u iranu. nije dzaba obama slao pismo neki dan...

Pa nije bas da ih samo hvali, procitaj malo vise, ali iznosi i pozitivne i negativne strane.

A i da zapad zeli sporazum s Iranom, u to nema sumnje vec neko vrijeme i nema puno veze s isisom (mada je tacno da su zadnja desavanja oko isisa dala jos veci poticaj tome). Jedino se Bibi, republikanci i Saudijci uporno protive...

budza wrote:sve vecinske muslimanske zemlje pod hitno treba da prepisu recept uspeha od irana (iz 79.) i da krenu putem resenja problema ugnjetavanja.
iran iz 1979. je model uspeha i balans, danasnjem-dominantnom vojno-ekonomskom cionisticko-ateistickom svetu i garant uspeha muslimana.

flexibila wrote:

budza wrote:sve vecinske muslimanske zemlje pod hitno treba da prepisu recept uspeha od irana (iz 79.) i da krenu putem resenja problema ugnjetavanja.
iran iz 1979. je model uspeha i balans, danasnjem-dominantnom vojno-ekonomskom cionisticko-ateistickom svetu i garant uspeha muslimana.

Arapi jos nisu dosli do tehnologije da cackalicu naprave......Tako da je Iran jedno 16-est svjetlosnih godina ispred....

Ludzak wrote:Čitam i vidim da govorite o nekakvim muslimanima u Iranu i o nekakvoj Islamskoj republici Iran. Ja ću vam ovo reči. Nema većih pljuvača Islama od Iranaca. Iran nije Islamska država već im je taj pseudonim 'Islamska republika' nametnuta od strane diktatorskog režima 1979. god. U Iranu ne žive muslimani ( ima i njih dosta koji se nazivaju šiiti), već im je religija Zoroastrianizam. Zapamtite, Iran je najveći neprijatelj muslimanskog življa poslije Zapada.
Ovo sam napisao da otkolinte tu nedoumicu u vezi sa Iranom

Ima Bosne_Bice Bosne wrote:

Ludzak wrote:Čitam i vidim da govorite o nekakvim muslimanima u Iranu i o nekakvoj Islamskoj republici Iran. Ja ću vam ovo reči. Nema većih pljuvača Islama od Iranaca. Iran nije Islamska država već im je taj pseudonim 'Islamska republika' nametnuta od strane diktatorskog režima 1979. god. U Iranu ne žive muslimani ( ima i njih dosta koji se nazivaju šiiti), već im je religija Zoroastrianizam. Zapamtite, Iran je najveći neprijatelj muslimanskog življa poslije Zapada.
Ovo sam napisao da otkolinte tu nedoumicu u vezi sa Iranom

Opravdao si svoj nick, a sad nazad u kosulju.

Ludzak wrote:Čitam i vidim da govorite o nekakvim muslimanima u Iranu i o nekakvoj Islamskoj republici Iran. Ja ću vam ovo reči. Nema većih pljuvača Islama od Iranaca. Iran nije Islamska država već im je taj pseudonim 'Islamska republika' nametnuta od strane diktatorskog režima 1979. god. U Iranu ne žive muslimani ( ima i njih dosta koji se nazivaju šiiti), već im je religija Zoroastrianizam. Zapamtite, Iran je najveći neprijatelj muslimanskog življa poslije Zapada.
Ovo sam napisao da otkolinte tu nedoumicu u vezi sa Iranom