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EI Presidente
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#801
meni je pravo bezveze cinjenica da ako utrka izmedju hilke i baraka dodje dodje do tacke da je samo superdelegati mogu rijesiti, onda ovi milioni glasova koje su dobili vise nece biti bitni:? tada ce pobijediti onaj (ili ona) ko ima vise uticaja na clanove kongresa, pobjeda ce zavisiti od unutarstranackih dogovora i lobiranja iza scene, itd.
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jeza u ledja
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#802
Pa dobro, i ti superdelegati su izabrani politicari od strane naroda. Takodje pola ovih 'primaries' su u stvari 'caucases' ili konvencije stranackih lidera u toj drzavi. Svakako je vise demokratski nego u drugim zemljama gdje stranke same biraju svog kandidata za predsjednicke izbore.EI Presidente wrote:meni je pravo bezveze cinjenica da ako utrka izmedju hilke i baraka dodje dodje do tacke da je samo superdelegati mogu rijesiti, onda ovi milioni glasova koje su dobili vise nece biti bitni:? tada ce pobijediti onaj (ili ona) ko ima vise uticaja na clanove kongresa, pobjeda ce zavisiti od unutarstranackih dogovora i lobiranja iza scene, itd.
demokratija na djelu
Neise, ti superdelegati cine oko 20% ukupnih glasova i nikada maltene do sada nisu imali nekog bitnog uticaja na konacni izbor kandidata. Ako se desi da npr Obama pobjedi na prajmariz, a Hillary bude trebala pobjediti pomocu superdelegata to bi bio veliki samar svojim biracima i mislim da se nijedna stranka ne bi to usudila uciniti. Oni sada daju svoju podrsku da ih se ovi 'sjete' kad bude zatrebalo, medjutim uvijek mogu promjeniti misljenje.
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walkabout
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#803
Ako se "pusti" 100%-na demokratija, dolazi se vrlo blizu do anarhije.EI Presidente wrote:meni je pravo bezveze cinjenica da ako utrka izmedju hilke i baraka dodje dodje do tacke da je samo superdelegati mogu rijesiti, onda ovi milioni glasova koje su dobili vise nece biti bitni:? tada ce pobijediti onaj (ili ona) ko ima vise uticaja na clanove kongresa, pobjeda ce zavisiti od unutarstranackih dogovora i lobiranja iza scene, itd.
demokratija na djelu
Eno na Filipinima neke godine za predsjednika izbrashe najpopularnijeg pjevaca zalizane kose (mozda je josh uvijek predsjednik, nisam siguran...).
Uloga medija (citaj vlasnika medija) u "demokratiji" je vrlo bitna. Da ne kazem glavna. Pa i u Ameriki.
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jefferson
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#805
Znam da je skupila manje. Nju vecinom podrzavaju kroporacije i lobiji, i sad ce biti tesko ponovo izdvojiti toliko novac za nastavak kampanje.jeza u ledja wrote:Hillary je skupila 3 puta manje od Obame u zadnjih mjesec dana te je stoga od svojih para (oklen joj?!) izdvojila sada 5 milioncica za nastavak kampanje.jefferson wrote: Bit ce interesantno vidjeti sada ko ce koliko para skupiti!
Ali Obaminim "navijacima" nece biti, jer se vecinom radi o pojedincima koji su slali po 10-20dolara, tako da ce se "raja opet organizovat":)
Samo me interesuje zivo koliko ce skupiti! To ce biti mjerilo ko ce pobjediti, ali kakav momentum fata brat, bogami crno joj se pise!
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jeza u ledja
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#806
Ma nije bas to mjerilo, evo npr Ron Paul je skupio vise nego bilo koji drugi Rep. kandidat pa nista. Ili Romney koji je pun (doduse svojih) para pa opet slabo.jefferson wrote:Znam da je skupila manje. Nju vecinom podrzavaju kroporacije i lobiji, i sad ce biti tesko ponovo izdvojiti toliko novac za nastavak kampanje.jeza u ledja wrote:Hillary je skupila 3 puta manje od Obame u zadnjih mjesec dana te je stoga od svojih para (oklen joj?!) izdvojila sada 5 milioncica za nastavak kampanje.jefferson wrote: Bit ce interesantno vidjeti sada ko ce koliko para skupiti!
Ali Obaminim "navijacima" nece biti, jer se vecinom radi o pojedincima koji su slali po 10-20dolara, tako da ce se "raja opet organizovat":)
Samo me interesuje zivo koliko ce skupiti! To ce biti mjerilo ko ce pobjediti, ali kakav momentum fata brat, bogami crno joj se pise!
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jeza u ledja
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#807
Upravo sad javise: Romney odustaje od svoje kampanje!
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walkabout
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#808
Ovaj novinar cesto vidi stvari iz malo drukcijeg ugla...
Tekst je malo skracen (izbaceni dijelovi lokalnog znacaja).
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America's choice, our future
Peter Hartcher
February 8, 2008
United States presidential campaigns are free entertainment that America gives the world. Hundreds of millions of people across dozens of lands watch each improbable step and laugh, cry and cheer.
But it is more than just a reality TV show. It matters. Only 5 per cent of the world's population lives in the United States, but the outcome will affect 100 per cent of us. We don't get to vote, but we have a stake in the presidential election nonetheless.
We know that the choice of president will influence the likelihood of the US making war.
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But surely the disastrous misadventure in Iraq will deter future American commanders-in-chief from launching any new wars? Not at all. There are three points here.
First, America is a country that is comfortable with war. In the 230 years since the Declaration of Independence, the US has invaded other countries on more than 200 occasions, according to the Congressional Research Service. That is an average of one foreign incursion every 14 months in the nation's history.
Second, the end of the Cold War was supposed to mean a standing-down of the US military machine. The opposite has happened. The Pentagon's budget today, after adjusting for inflation, exceeds its Cold War average by one-eighth, though there is no longer any nation that could be called a peer competitor.
"The truth is that there no longer exists any meaningful context within which Americans might consider the question, 'How much is enough?' " writes Professor Andrew Bacevich, a historian at Boston University and former US Army colonel in his book The New American Militarism.
The total defence budget is bigger than that of all other nations combined.
"During the entire Cold War era, from 1945 through 1988, large-scale US military actions abroad totalled a scant six. Since the fall of the Berlin Wall, however, they have become almost annual events."
Bacevich calls it "the normalisation of war". He goes on: "Policymakers have increasingly come to see coercion as a sort of all-purpose tool."
He wrote this before his son was killed while on duty in Iraq. As the US President, George Bush, has said, the lesson of the 2001 terrorist attacks in the US is that "this country must go on the offence and stay on the offence".
The third point is that, while it did seem that the disaster in Iraq would deter America's political class from further military adventurism, the picture has changed.
The surge in Iraq has been successful in reducing and containing deaths. A senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and a former Bush staff member, Michael Gerson, argued in yesterday's Washington Post that the turnaround in Iraq is "the largest political story of the year".
Three presidential candidates remain in serious contention. They are the two Democrats, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, and the Republican, John McCain.
One of these has consistently and stridently advocated the invasion and also the surge. That candidate is McCain, a hawk and a genuine American war hero. The recovery in Iraq helped propel him to take, in all but the formalities, the Republican nomination for the White House.
As Gerson wrote: "The issue that was supposed to dominate the campaign and destroy the Republicans has helped to elevate a strong Republican candidate."
Another of the candidates voted in support of the invasion, then later reversed course, and has struggled to explain this position since. That candidate is Clinton. Iraq, and her flip-flop on the subject, has plagued her campaign. She is neither hawk nor dove but opportunist.
Then there's Obama. From day one he opposed the invasion of Iraq. He goes further. He said last week: "I don't want to just end the war, but I want to end the mind-set that got us into war in the first place." One of his advisers, Susan Rice, later elaborated: "It's the mind-set that assumes that solutions to our problems are in the first instance military ones."
So one candidate is a hawk, another a dove, and the third is both and neither, flapping back and forth between the two flocks according to the political wind.
Obama would seek to restore war to its place as an instrument of last resort. McCain is a man much readier to resort to force, though he suffered dreadfully as a prisoner of the North Vietnamese and understands the human consequences of war better than almost anyone alive.
And Clinton? From what we have seen, she will follow whatever course of action is most strongly counselled by the opinion polls of the day.
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Peter Hartcher is the Herald's International Editor.
Tekst je malo skracen (izbaceni dijelovi lokalnog znacaja).
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America's choice, our future
Peter Hartcher
February 8, 2008
United States presidential campaigns are free entertainment that America gives the world. Hundreds of millions of people across dozens of lands watch each improbable step and laugh, cry and cheer.
But it is more than just a reality TV show. It matters. Only 5 per cent of the world's population lives in the United States, but the outcome will affect 100 per cent of us. We don't get to vote, but we have a stake in the presidential election nonetheless.
We know that the choice of president will influence the likelihood of the US making war.
…
But surely the disastrous misadventure in Iraq will deter future American commanders-in-chief from launching any new wars? Not at all. There are three points here.
First, America is a country that is comfortable with war. In the 230 years since the Declaration of Independence, the US has invaded other countries on more than 200 occasions, according to the Congressional Research Service. That is an average of one foreign incursion every 14 months in the nation's history.
Second, the end of the Cold War was supposed to mean a standing-down of the US military machine. The opposite has happened. The Pentagon's budget today, after adjusting for inflation, exceeds its Cold War average by one-eighth, though there is no longer any nation that could be called a peer competitor.
"The truth is that there no longer exists any meaningful context within which Americans might consider the question, 'How much is enough?' " writes Professor Andrew Bacevich, a historian at Boston University and former US Army colonel in his book The New American Militarism.
The total defence budget is bigger than that of all other nations combined.
"During the entire Cold War era, from 1945 through 1988, large-scale US military actions abroad totalled a scant six. Since the fall of the Berlin Wall, however, they have become almost annual events."
Bacevich calls it "the normalisation of war". He goes on: "Policymakers have increasingly come to see coercion as a sort of all-purpose tool."
He wrote this before his son was killed while on duty in Iraq. As the US President, George Bush, has said, the lesson of the 2001 terrorist attacks in the US is that "this country must go on the offence and stay on the offence".
The third point is that, while it did seem that the disaster in Iraq would deter America's political class from further military adventurism, the picture has changed.
The surge in Iraq has been successful in reducing and containing deaths. A senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and a former Bush staff member, Michael Gerson, argued in yesterday's Washington Post that the turnaround in Iraq is "the largest political story of the year".
Three presidential candidates remain in serious contention. They are the two Democrats, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, and the Republican, John McCain.
One of these has consistently and stridently advocated the invasion and also the surge. That candidate is McCain, a hawk and a genuine American war hero. The recovery in Iraq helped propel him to take, in all but the formalities, the Republican nomination for the White House.
As Gerson wrote: "The issue that was supposed to dominate the campaign and destroy the Republicans has helped to elevate a strong Republican candidate."
Another of the candidates voted in support of the invasion, then later reversed course, and has struggled to explain this position since. That candidate is Clinton. Iraq, and her flip-flop on the subject, has plagued her campaign. She is neither hawk nor dove but opportunist.
Then there's Obama. From day one he opposed the invasion of Iraq. He goes further. He said last week: "I don't want to just end the war, but I want to end the mind-set that got us into war in the first place." One of his advisers, Susan Rice, later elaborated: "It's the mind-set that assumes that solutions to our problems are in the first instance military ones."
So one candidate is a hawk, another a dove, and the third is both and neither, flapping back and forth between the two flocks according to the political wind.
Obama would seek to restore war to its place as an instrument of last resort. McCain is a man much readier to resort to force, though he suffered dreadfully as a prisoner of the North Vietnamese and understands the human consequences of war better than almost anyone alive.
And Clinton? From what we have seen, she will follow whatever course of action is most strongly counselled by the opinion polls of the day.
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Peter Hartcher is the Herald's International Editor.
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jeza u ledja
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#810
Eto ga, gotovo je za GOP.
John McCain je definitivno Republikanski kandidat za predsjednicke izbore 2008!!!
Ziku kakav je bio kad je bio 'mlad' ne bi ga covjek prepoznao.
Haj nije lose. Nije da ga obozavam, ali od svih ovih mrljavih Republikanaca daleko je najbolji.
John McCain je definitivno Republikanski kandidat za predsjednicke izbore 2008!!!
Ziku kakav je bio kad je bio 'mlad' ne bi ga covjek prepoznao.
Haj nije lose. Nije da ga obozavam, ali od svih ovih mrljavih Republikanaca daleko je najbolji.
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zemo_online
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#812
Jel ima u Sent Luisu 70000 Bosanaca i jedan restoran dje se prave dobre bosanske sarme?Hantraga wrote:I vjerovatno novi predsjednik USA, nazalost...
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pitt
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#813
ma mccain je vise centar nego pravi republikanac al eto. Jedan od rijetkih koji kaze sa misli i nije ga strah suprostaviti se svojoj stranci pa cak i predsjedniku. Na zalost ekonomija mu nije bas jaka strana......al i to se da ispraviti ako sastavi dobar kabinet.
Sa mitt(onjom) se ne slazem u mnogim stvarima, ali je covjek stvarno dobar i iskusan biznismen. STavise drago mi je sto ce se povuci, i bolje mu je da se Bainu vise posveti
:D:D
Sa mitt(onjom) se ne slazem u mnogim stvarima, ali je covjek stvarno dobar i iskusan biznismen. STavise drago mi je sto ce se povuci, i bolje mu je da se Bainu vise posveti
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san darius
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#814
ako mccain izgubi u americi, moze doc u bosnu i postat predsjednik (ako mu je toliko stalo do predsjedikovanja). bosancima, hercegovcima i doseljenim sandzaklijama treba snazan lider koji nije uprljan politicko-mafijasko-medijsko blatom, koji je (relativno) posten, ima dovoljno love da ne mora krast od raje, ratni je heroj i govori solidan engleski. mccain mi se cini kao idealan kandidat. plus sto ima u bosni i ona republikanska stranka od pepija kljujica, pa se moze odmah i tamo upisat - sve mu potaman.
glede imena, i to nam odgovara: mi ga mozemo zvat ivan mccain, srbi mogu fonetski (+ cirilicno) jovan mekejn, a bosnjaci irfan mccain. za sandzaklije nisam siguran kako bi ga zvali. (ispocetka na mobitel, najvjerojatnije, a kasnije po dogovoru).
zna li netko?
san darius
glede imena, i to nam odgovara: mi ga mozemo zvat ivan mccain, srbi mogu fonetski (+ cirilicno) jovan mekejn, a bosnjaci irfan mccain. za sandzaklije nisam siguran kako bi ga zvali. (ispocetka na mobitel, najvjerojatnije, a kasnije po dogovoru).
zna li netko?
san darius
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jeza u ledja
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#815
Mozda za ove neAmere par recenica.
Da ste prije godinu dana nekog pitali ako postoji jedan Republikanac za koga bi se moglo reci da je crna ovca ove stranke ko bi to bio - svi bi rekli to je John McCain. Mnogi u njegovoj stranci ga organski ne podnose (mahom hardcore konzervativci). Za one koje se ne sjecaju da jos jednom podsjetimo da je McCain prije 8 godina bio glavni protukandidat Georgeu Bushu u republikanskim primaries i izgubio, jer jebiga nije bio dovoljno konzervativan i zatupljen religijom. I tada je kampanja protiv njega od strane Bushovih ljudi (na celu sa Karl Roveom) bila surova gdje su ga optuzili da on u stvari nije bas 'American hero' kakvim se predstavlja. McCain dolazi iz vojnicke porodice i sam je bio pilot za vrijeme rata u Vijetnamu. Bio je ratnik zarobljenik i 5 godina proveo u vijetnamskim logorima. Poslije uletio u politiku kao senator iz Arizone. U isto vrijeme George Bush je eskivirao rat i izvlacio se zahvaljujuci tatinim vezama. (Isto ovo Bushova kampanja je radila Kerryju prije 4 godine u vezi njegove sluzbe u Vijetnamu. )
McCain je poznat kao 'maverick' i 'straight talker' , te veliki patriota, ono tipicni pripadnik matore generacije kad je USA bila nesto sasvim drugo. Ima 71 godinu i ako bude izabran bice najstariji predsjednik u povijesti USA. Ima kojekakvih bolescuga, bajpasa, oziljaka, ko zna sta. Bio bi pravi kontrast Obami. Pa eto, vidjecemo.
Ja licno mislim da McCain ima vise sanse protiv Clintonove nego Obame, jer ako na jednoj strani imate nacionalnog heroja, a na drugoj, khm, pisulju, tesko da ova potonja ima sanse.
Iskreno, da je McCain bio na mjestu Georgea Busha sve ove godine mnoge stvari bi bile drukcije i bolje.
Da ste prije godinu dana nekog pitali ako postoji jedan Republikanac za koga bi se moglo reci da je crna ovca ove stranke ko bi to bio - svi bi rekli to je John McCain. Mnogi u njegovoj stranci ga organski ne podnose (mahom hardcore konzervativci). Za one koje se ne sjecaju da jos jednom podsjetimo da je McCain prije 8 godina bio glavni protukandidat Georgeu Bushu u republikanskim primaries i izgubio, jer jebiga nije bio dovoljno konzervativan i zatupljen religijom. I tada je kampanja protiv njega od strane Bushovih ljudi (na celu sa Karl Roveom) bila surova gdje su ga optuzili da on u stvari nije bas 'American hero' kakvim se predstavlja. McCain dolazi iz vojnicke porodice i sam je bio pilot za vrijeme rata u Vijetnamu. Bio je ratnik zarobljenik i 5 godina proveo u vijetnamskim logorima. Poslije uletio u politiku kao senator iz Arizone. U isto vrijeme George Bush je eskivirao rat i izvlacio se zahvaljujuci tatinim vezama. (Isto ovo Bushova kampanja je radila Kerryju prije 4 godine u vezi njegove sluzbe u Vijetnamu. )
McCain je poznat kao 'maverick' i 'straight talker' , te veliki patriota, ono tipicni pripadnik matore generacije kad je USA bila nesto sasvim drugo. Ima 71 godinu i ako bude izabran bice najstariji predsjednik u povijesti USA. Ima kojekakvih bolescuga, bajpasa, oziljaka, ko zna sta. Bio bi pravi kontrast Obami. Pa eto, vidjecemo.
Ja licno mislim da McCain ima vise sanse protiv Clintonove nego Obame, jer ako na jednoj strani imate nacionalnog heroja, a na drugoj, khm, pisulju, tesko da ova potonja ima sanse.
Iskreno, da je McCain bio na mjestu Georgea Busha sve ove godine mnoge stvari bi bile drukcije i bolje.
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jeza u ledja
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#816
Ako nemate sta pametno napisati, nemojte to pisati ovdje.san darius wrote:ako mccain izgubi u americi, moze doc u bosnu i postat predsjednik (ako mu je toliko stalo do predsjedikovanja). bosancima, hercegovcima i doseljenim sandzaklijama treba snazan lider koji nije uprljan politicko-mafijasko-medijsko blatom, koji je (relativno) posten, ima dovoljno love da ne mora krast od raje, ratni je heroj i govori solidan engleski. mccain mi se cini kao idealan kandidat. plus sto ima u bosni i ona republikanska stranka od pepija kljujica, pa se moze odmah i tamo upisat - sve mu potaman.
glede imena, i to nam odgovara: mi ga mozemo zvat ivan mccain, srbi mogu fonetski (+ cirilicno) jovan mekejn, a bosnjaci irfan mccain. za sandzaklije nisam siguran kako bi ga zvali. (ispocetka na mobitel, najvjerojatnije, a kasnije po dogovoru).
zna li netko?
san darius
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san darius
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#818
ti ne mislis da bi mccain bio bolji od ovog cirkusantskog triumvirata i njihovih partija? mi, bosanci i hercegovci iz svih trimova, barem moramo biti otvoreni novim idejama. brainstorming, kuzis. ne kazem da bi on to prihvatio (jos nigdje nije rekao da bi), ali sta fali da mi prvi predlozimo. mozda mu se svidi ideja. nemoj bit tako zatvoren za nove opcije.jeza u ledja wrote:Ako nemate sta pametno napisati, nemojte to pisati ovdje.san darius wrote:ako mccain izgubi u americi, moze doc u bosnu i postat predsjednik (ako mu je toliko stalo do predsjedikovanja). bosancima, hercegovcima i doseljenim sandzaklijama treba snazan lider koji nije uprljan politicko-mafijasko-medijsko blatom, koji je (relativno) posten, ima dovoljno love da ne mora krast od raje, ratni je heroj i govori solidan engleski. mccain mi se cini kao idealan kandidat. plus sto ima u bosni i ona republikanska stranka od pepija kljujica, pa se moze odmah i tamo upisat - sve mu potaman.
glede imena, i to nam odgovara: mi ga mozemo zvat ivan mccain, srbi mogu fonetski (+ cirilicno) jovan mekejn, a bosnjaci irfan mccain. za sandzaklije nisam siguran kako bi ga zvali. (ispocetka na mobitel, najvjerojatnije, a kasnije po dogovoru).
zna li netko?
san darius
san darius
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walkabout
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#820
McCain je izgubio jer se nasao na putu tatinom sinu - sad ga isti guraju (ali opet dzaba, ako sam ih dobro "shvatio"jeza u ledja wrote:Mozda za ove neAmere par recenica.
Da ste prije godinu dana nekog pitali ako postoji jedan Republikanac za koga bi se moglo reci da je crna ovca ove stranke ko bi to bio - svi bi rekli to je John McCain. Mnogi u njegovoj stranci ga organski ne podnose (mahom hardcore konzervativci). Za one koje se ne sjecaju da jos jednom podsjetimo da je McCain prije 8 godina bio glavni protukandidat Georgeu Bushu u republikanskim primaries i izgubio, jer jebiga nije bio dovoljno konzervativan i zatupljen religijom. I tada je kampanja protiv njega od strane Bushovih ljudi (na celu sa Karl Roveom) bila surova gdje su ga optuzili da on u stvari nije bas 'American hero' kakvim se predstavlja. McCain dolazi iz vojnicke porodice i sam je bio pilot za vrijeme rata u Vijetnamu. Bio je ratnik zarobljenik i 5 godina proveo u vijetnamskim logorima. Poslije uletio u politiku kao senator iz Arizone. U isto vrijeme George Bush je eskivirao rat i izvlacio se zahvaljujuci tatinim vezama. (Isto ovo Bushova kampanja je radila Kerryju prije 4 godine u vezi njegove sluzbe u Vijetnamu. )
McCain je poznat kao 'maverick' i 'straight talker' , te veliki patriota, ono tipicni pripadnik matore generacije kad je USA bila nesto sasvim drugo. Ima 71 godinu i ako bude izabran bice najstariji predsjednik u povijesti USA. Ima kojekakvih bolescuga, bajpasa, oziljaka, ko zna sta. Bio bi pravi kontrast Obami. Pa eto, vidjecemo.
Ja licno mislim da McCain ima vise sanse protiv Clintonove nego Obame, jer ako na jednoj strani imate nacionalnog heroja, a na drugoj, khm, pisulju, tesko da ova potonja ima sanse.
Iskreno, da je McCain bio na mjestu Georgea Busha sve ove godine mnoge stvari bi bile drukcije i bolje.
)Ako bude Obama ( a bojim se da nece) protiv MCCain-a, pobjedjuje McCain...
Ovako Hillary (bolje reci team Clinton - buy one get one free
, loophole je isto fina rijec ) - McCain, pobjedjuje Hillary - deal done years ago 
Najveci gubitnik u svemu - Al Gore.
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jeza u ledja
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walkabout
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#822
Jedan fin clanak...
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HILLARY CLINTON'S campaign team is bracing for Barack Obama to take the lead later this month in the battle for the all-important delegates who will decide the Democratic nomination for the US presidency.
The race for the candidacy looks poised to swing Senator Obama's way after this weekend's round of voting in Washington State, Nebraska, the Virgin Islands and Louisiana.
Senator Clinton's campaign team anticipates that she will lose her lead this month but is banking on her regaining it in the mega-states of Texas and Ohio on March 4 and Pennsylvania on April 22.
It will be psychologically and symbolically important for Senator Obama to take the lead after trailing for so long, albeit not by much. He is already ahead of his rival in fundraising.
The Clinton campaign will likely change tack following the emergence of Senator John McCain as the likely Republican candidate.
Senator Clinton's camp is expected to argue that she is better placed to deal with Senator McCain on security and economics and will most likely bring up a testy exchange of letters between Senators McCain and Obama in 2006 when the Republican accused the Democrat of backtracking on a promise to support him over a bill to restrict lobbying.
At the time, Senator McCain accused Senator Obama of "self-interested partisan posturing" while Senator Obama responded by saying he was "puzzled" by Senator McCain's outburst.
"It was sad to watch," said a Clinton campaign source. "He has no idea how to deal with McCain."
Senators Clinton and Obama are each campaigning for the 2025 delegate votes needed for a majority at the party convention in August, when the Democratic nominee for the November presidential election will be chosen.
The final tally of delegates has still not been allocated following the Super Tuesday poll. Yesterday, the 2008 Democratic Convention Watch website gave Senator Clinton 862 elected delegates to Senator Obama's 883. But when super-delegates - the 700-plus members of Congress, governors and others who automatically have a vote at the conventions - are taken into account, Senator Clinton has 1065 delegates while Senator Obama has 996.
Some hope the two could form a dream ticket - Obama and Clinton or Clinton and Obama, depending on one's loyalties - an arrangement that would see the two most exciting candidates in years running together for the White House. The idea gained greater currency last week when the Democratic National Committee chairman, Howard Dean, suggested that a deal would have to be reached to avoid an ugly showdown at the convention in August.
If they don't, there is growing concern in the Democratic party that the two could exhaust one another, deplete funds and damage each other with day-to-day criticism at a time when the Republicans have more or less settled on John McCain.
But Republicans are not united behind their candidate and President George Bush has called on his divided party to back the nominee, though without naming McCain. Many conservative Republicans are hostile towards McCain because of his moderate stance on immigration and his willingness to work with Democrats in the Senate.
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HILLARY CLINTON'S campaign team is bracing for Barack Obama to take the lead later this month in the battle for the all-important delegates who will decide the Democratic nomination for the US presidency.
The race for the candidacy looks poised to swing Senator Obama's way after this weekend's round of voting in Washington State, Nebraska, the Virgin Islands and Louisiana.
Senator Clinton's campaign team anticipates that she will lose her lead this month but is banking on her regaining it in the mega-states of Texas and Ohio on March 4 and Pennsylvania on April 22.
It will be psychologically and symbolically important for Senator Obama to take the lead after trailing for so long, albeit not by much. He is already ahead of his rival in fundraising.
The Clinton campaign will likely change tack following the emergence of Senator John McCain as the likely Republican candidate.
Senator Clinton's camp is expected to argue that she is better placed to deal with Senator McCain on security and economics and will most likely bring up a testy exchange of letters between Senators McCain and Obama in 2006 when the Republican accused the Democrat of backtracking on a promise to support him over a bill to restrict lobbying.
At the time, Senator McCain accused Senator Obama of "self-interested partisan posturing" while Senator Obama responded by saying he was "puzzled" by Senator McCain's outburst.
"It was sad to watch," said a Clinton campaign source. "He has no idea how to deal with McCain."
Senators Clinton and Obama are each campaigning for the 2025 delegate votes needed for a majority at the party convention in August, when the Democratic nominee for the November presidential election will be chosen.
The final tally of delegates has still not been allocated following the Super Tuesday poll. Yesterday, the 2008 Democratic Convention Watch website gave Senator Clinton 862 elected delegates to Senator Obama's 883. But when super-delegates - the 700-plus members of Congress, governors and others who automatically have a vote at the conventions - are taken into account, Senator Clinton has 1065 delegates while Senator Obama has 996.
Some hope the two could form a dream ticket - Obama and Clinton or Clinton and Obama, depending on one's loyalties - an arrangement that would see the two most exciting candidates in years running together for the White House. The idea gained greater currency last week when the Democratic National Committee chairman, Howard Dean, suggested that a deal would have to be reached to avoid an ugly showdown at the convention in August.
If they don't, there is growing concern in the Democratic party that the two could exhaust one another, deplete funds and damage each other with day-to-day criticism at a time when the Republicans have more or less settled on John McCain.
But Republicans are not united behind their candidate and President George Bush has called on his divided party to back the nominee, though without naming McCain. Many conservative Republicans are hostile towards McCain because of his moderate stance on immigration and his willingness to work with Democrats in the Senate.
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jeza u ledja
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Najnovije vijesti: Obama uzima Nebrasku, vodi u Washingtonu. 
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Vares City
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GO OBAMA GOOO!!!!!!!!
Vrati svoje sinove u Cemeriku!!!!
Ovi sto ih tamo poslase(Irak,Afganistan,...)ni sami ne znaju sto su ih tamo poslali,i sto se neki od njih nikada vise nece vratiti,.....
Terorizam,...
U panjevima,....
Evo tip je kao svoj izborni cilj najavio povratak vojnika kuci,.....
Da li je to samo izborna navlakusa ili,....
Sta ti kontas Pitt-e?, Ti si mi nekako najrazboritiji?
Vrati svoje sinove u Cemeriku!!!!
Ovi sto ih tamo poslase(Irak,Afganistan,...)ni sami ne znaju sto su ih tamo poslali,i sto se neki od njih nikada vise nece vratiti,.....
Terorizam,...
U panjevima,....
Evo tip je kao svoj izborni cilj najavio povratak vojnika kuci,.....
Da li je to samo izborna navlakusa ili,....
Sta ti kontas Pitt-e?, Ti si mi nekako najrazboritiji?
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jefferson
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Nece to bas tako lako ici! Ko god uzme primaries poslije ce se okrenuti centru malo vise u generalnim izborima.Vares City wrote:GO OBAMA GOOO!!!!!!!!
Vrati svoje sinove u Cemeriku!!!!
Ovi sto ih tamo poslase(Irak,Afganistan,...)ni sami ne znaju sto su ih tamo poslali,i sto se neki od njih nikada vise nece vratiti,.....
Terorizam,...
U panjevima,....
Evo tip je kao svoj izborni cilj najavio povratak vojnika kuci,.....
Da li je to samo izborna navlakusa ili,....
Sta ti kontas Pitt-e?, Ti si mi nekako najrazboritiji?
Iz Iraka nema povratka jos 4-5 godina ko god dodje, jer napustanje iraka sada bi bila najveca greska. To bi destabiliziralo region skroz, a Irak odvelo u totalni gradjanski rat. Treba govna pokupit za Bushom, ali to treba uraditi na odgovoran nacin. Destabiliziranje regiona znaci jos vece cijene nafte i potencijalno uvlacenje S. Arabije u sve to. Najbolje bi bilo da se ovo nije uopce desilo, ali sad povuc vojsku, pa ovo sad sto se desava bi licilo na djeciju igru!