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#776 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

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kv99 wrote:
pici wrote:

:bih:
Svaka mu cast sto je na ovakav nacin razotkrio cetnicke lazi ali nisu samo TV snimci lazni. Obratite paznju na " presretnute " snimke sa radio veze. Snimci radio veze kao iz Holivudskih filmova, bez ikakvih smetnji, sumova, pozadinskih zvukova ili glasova, nikakve galame ili buke u okolini , citki kao da neko u studiju govori a ne neko ko je u sred bitke :-) "Dokaz" u stilu " lavova iz Sarajeva " ali je to ono u sta velika vecina u Smrdiji a i u manjem entitetu aposlutno vjeruje.
Ma ovu emisiju sam svojevremeno gledao i znam da mi je srce bilo koo kanta :bih:
Svaka chast Svetozaru na ovome, ovakvi kao on su pravi ljudi, prave patriote, ljudi chistog srca, a ne ko onaj teletabis "a shta je kompromis" koji ne zna jel posho il je dosho :x :x
Kap je samo sasjekao onu zmiju od olivere, isprosipao je ko budalu !!!
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#777 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

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pici wrote:

:bih:
Pratite face gostiju emisije,Ivanickova ,kao i voditeljice koja ima unutrasnje emotivne agresivne turbolencije,kada joj ovaj iskreni,posteni i dobronamjerni svjedok Svetozar /izdajnik kako ga dozivljavaju gosti i voditelj/ objasnjava da se radi o dva razlicita datuma ,lokacije i dogadaja, 2/5/92 i dan poslije 3/5/92 .Ivanickov pogled i onog drugog u studio govorom ociju sve kazu sto misle o cvjeku koji svjedoci dogadaje tih dana a koji su osujeceni cime sprijeceno zauzimanje zgrade predsjednistva,....cime je soldteska JNA dozivjela vojni poraz i to je bio dan "D", prekretnice u odbrani i opstanku BiH.

Veliki respekt za ovakve ljude i zbog ovakvih ljudi i masa slicnih njemu istina,pravda,suzivot i pomirenej je ono sto je nasa sudbina i jedina buducnost,...sve drugo je gubljenje vremena,..Mracne sile ce sagoreti u svojoj tami,...
:thumbup: :bih:
Svetozare,ljudino BiH je imala uvijek Bogicevica i uvijek ce ih biti,....samo su ljudi sada po strani zbog glasnogovrnika Dabicevstine i mraka proslosti , doci ce i Svetozarevo vrijeme u sto ne sumnjam.
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#778 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

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pa i bih je članica interpola pa bi vjerovatno znali da postoji.
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#779 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

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Ovdje nesto smrdi.
Recimo da nije bio Ejup Ganic vec osoba X.Y u predsjednistvu Republike Bosne i Hercegovine. Kako je moguce da se bilo kojoj osobi koja brani svoju domovinu od agresora sudi? Meni je prosto nevjerovatno i nelogicno.
Svaka osoba na nekoj funkciji u ratu imaduznost da brani domovinu.
Zar je osoba X.Y. trebala da sjedi, nista ne radi, ni poduzima i da se sav narod pobije?
Zahtjev Srbije za izrucenje onih u vrhu predjednistva RBiH i drugih koji su branili svoju domovine je prosto apsurdan i mizeran.
Gdje je optuznica protiv Srbije za agresiju na RBiH?
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#780 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

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Here is a draft of the letter you can use to complain about Ganic's arrest.
copy and paste and send to the emails provided PLEASE!!!!!

letter/pismo/email


SUBJECT: Demand for an immediate release of Ejup Ganic from UK prison

Dear Sir/Madam

I demand the immediate release of Former President of Bosnia Ejup Ganic.

Ejup Ganic has been detained in UK due to an extradition request from Serbia, based on his alleged involvement in an ambush on a Yugoslav army convoy in 1992. The allegations have already been dismissed by the Hague and Mr Ganic himself has repeatedly denied any involvement. It is astonishing that Serbian authorities can ask for the extradition of Bosnian nationals in relation to alleged war crimes instead of the issue being referred back to the Hague as agreed on by both Bosnia and Serbia.

Furthermore, Mr Ganic has previously, freely traveled to Britain without any problems and it must be concluded that this current extradition request is politically motivated.

Yours sincerely,



emails:

UK Foreign Secretary: David Miliband [email protected]
UK ambassador in Bosnia: Her Majesty's Ambassador to Bosnia and Herzegovina, Michael Tatham [email protected]
EU-parlament, committee for human rights: [email protected]
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#781 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

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nismo ba,mi smo drzali srbe u okruzenju u sarajevu..prognali sve pripadnike drugih naroda ...ubijali koga smo stigli,sve s ciljem stvaranja dzamahirije ..kako ti to nije jasno?
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postojao je dogovor da se mijenja alija,sabina ,zlatko i ko je jos dole bio za kukanjca i njegovih par saradnika.

medjutim ,iz kasarne je krenula kolona vozila sa naoruzanjem i vojskom.
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#783 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

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stari_sarajevski_gospodin wrote:
Here is a draft of the letter you can use to complain about Ganic's arrest.
copy and paste and send to the emails provided PLEASE!!!!!

letter/pismo/email


SUBJECT: Demand for an immediate release of Ejup Ganic from UK prison

Dear Sir/Madam

I demand the immediate release of Former President of Bosnia Ejup Ganic.

Ejup Ganic has been detained in UK due to an extradition request from Serbia, based on his alleged involvement in an ambush on a Yugoslav army convoy in 1992. The allegations have already been dismissed by the Hague and Mr Ganic himself has repeatedly denied any involvement. It is astonishing that Serbian authorities can ask for the extradition of Bosnian nationals in relation to alleged war crimes instead of the issue being referred back to the Hague as agreed on by both Bosnia and Serbia.

Furthermore, Mr Ganic has previously, freely traveled to Britain without any problems and it must be concluded that this current extradition request is politically motivated.

Yours sincerely,



emails:

UK Foreign Secretary: David Miliband [email protected]
UK ambassador in Bosnia: Her Majesty's Ambassador to Bosnia and Herzegovina, Michael Tatham [email protected]
EU-parlament, committee for human rights: [email protected]

Eto ja sam poslao na sve tri adrese. Ko zna ali ipak mislim da to slabe fajde ima.
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#784 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

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nema sta mekenzi pricati,alija je dogovorio promjenu plana,al obzirom da je bio ratni zarobljenik,to ne pije vode...

predsjednistvo rbih je dogovorilo s unproforom i jna razmjenu kukanjca i par njegovih saradnika za ratne zarobljenike(predsjednika drzave,njegovu kcerku i potpredsjednika vlade drzave)
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#785 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

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Hrast wrote:
stari_sarajevski_gospodin wrote:
Here is a draft of the letter you can use to complain about Ganic's arrest.
copy and paste and send to the emails provided PLEASE!!!!!

letter/pismo/email


SUBJECT: Demand for an immediate release of Ejup Ganic from UK prison

Dear Sir/Madam

I demand the immediate release of Former President of Bosnia Ejup Ganic.

Ejup Ganic has been detained in UK due to an extradition request from Serbia, based on his alleged involvement in an ambush on a Yugoslav army convoy in 1992. The allegations have already been dismissed by the Hague and Mr Ganic himself has repeatedly denied any involvement. It is astonishing that Serbian authorities can ask for the extradition of Bosnian nationals in relation to alleged war crimes instead of the issue being referred back to the Hague as agreed on by both Bosnia and Serbia.

Furthermore, Mr Ganic has previously, freely traveled to Britain without any problems and it must be concluded that this current extradition request is politically motivated.

Yours sincerely,



emails:

UK Foreign Secretary: David Miliband [email protected]
UK ambassador in Bosnia: Her Majesty's Ambassador to Bosnia and Herzegovina, Michael Tatham [email protected]
EU-parlament, committee for human rights: [email protected]

Eto ja sam poslao na sve tri adrese. Ko zna ali ipak mislim da to slabe fajde ima.

Sutra protesti ispred zgrade ambasade Velike Britanije !!!

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#786 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

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Od kuda novinaru i ostalim po Srbiji da je Kusner to radio. Kako neki seljak iz Gracanice zna da je visoki dioplomata "prijateljske" zemlje Francuske organizovao ubijanje srpskih gardjana i trgovinu njigovim organima. Godinama nisu ni znali gdje se nalazila ta poljska bolnica. Sve je bilo bazirano na neprovjerenim pricama. Ni dana danas ni Srbija ni medjunarosni sud nemaju pouzdanih dokaza.. sve su samo indicije, a pogotovo nemaju dokaza da je francuski ministar Kusner u to upetjan.

Pricu o Kusnerovoj upetljanosti u to lansirala je Srbijanska vlada odmah po dolasku Kusnera kao administratora ispred medjunarodne zajednice, kao oblik specijalnog rata protiv NATO-ai MZ koja je dosla na Kosmet. To su baljegazli prestavnici srbijasnke vlade, parlamenta, i ostalih drzavnih organa. Tragom tih prica isle su i TV ekipe po Albaniji i istrazivale. Srbija je podigla optuznice protiv predsjednika Klintona, britanskog i francuskog premijera i boga ti pitaj koga sve jos, a tu je bio i Kusner. Njemu su prisli da je kasapio srpske zarobljenik i prodavao njihove organe- jer je lijecnik po profesiji.

Sve je to poznato i moze se naci dosta informacija po srpskim i medjunarodnim medijima.

Srbiji se sada obija o glavu sva sranja koje je radila pa i ovo. Jel' mislis da se Kusner i Francuska nece debelo osvetiti Srbiji za ovakvu blamazu. Onaj srpski novinar se komotno moze pozdraviti sa poslom kod VOA- Voice of america koja je agencija americke vlade. Najebo je ko zuti, ali on to ko kurceviti srbin i ucenik Politike nije mogo ni skontati.
Najdalje za mjesec dana on vise nece raditi na VOA i primati amricke dolare - koje srbija ne priznaje.
Dobro ce proci ako mu CNN ne bude izvjestavo ispred kuce.

Svakome je jesno da Britanija ne bi ni u snu pomislila da uhapsi americkog predsjednika niti da prica u javnost kako britanski sudovi imaju raspisane potjernice za americkim predsjednicima. "Demokratija" kojom su oni terorizirali cijeli svijet sad sustize njih same i zato se oni hoce toga da otresu.

Mozda bas britanci i hoce da ukinu taj zakon jer im penzionisani Klinton i amaricki generali ne smije doci u britaniju a Tacerica ne smije otici u Amerikau ili Argentuinu.
Mozda su britanci trazili od Srba da povuku te tuzbe a ovi- kako su kurceviti- nece da povuku tuzbe dok im britanci en vrate Kosovo i imas kvaku 22 koju sad britanci rjesavajju preko ledja BiH a bogami i preko Srbije. Ako GB ne izruci Ganica Srbiji plaho ce im ga sukhuti. Jeremic ce se samospaloti na Trafalgar skveru.

Ovo sto ti pricas o slucaju Kovacevic je samo ono sto su vama slagali u Srbiji. Prava istina vam nije recena, niti konsekvence cijelog postupka.
Kao sto Srbije "tuzi" klintona tj. Americku drzavu po svijetu i trazi od britanaca da hapsi ameicke predsjednike - jer Britanija ima takve nakaradane zakone- tako sad i amerika za slucaj Kovacevica ne samo da tuzi nego i kaznjava srpsku drzavu.
Nije samo u pitanju onaj milion koje je srpska vlada maznula kriomice iz budzeta srbije za privatne potrebe nekog Tadicevog dobrog prijatelja, koji mora da placa milionske troskove studiranja i kurcenja svoga sina po Americi. Amerika je suspendovala par stotina miliona u raznim programima koje je trabalo da stignu u srbiju. Provjeri koja je samo lova propala kroz Partnerstvo za mir.
Taj amerikanac nije dobio par samara u nekoj studenstkoj tuci, nego je masakriran od trojice Srba u sred amerike. Jel ti mislis da amerika dozvoljava da joj neki stranac masakrira sopstvene gradjane u sred amerike.

Tadic je i organizvao kindapovanje i zrtvovao cijelu srpsku ambasadu u Americi jer bi taj Kovacevic zaglavio bar 50 godina u zatvoru, samo po osnovu stete koju bi trebao platiti a posto i nema tolike milione oni bi se pretvorili u desetine godina robije. Amerikanac je izgleda ostao trajni invalid. Jos kad se uzme da je amer porodicni prijatelj Klintonovih, onda mozes misliti koliko ce stotina miliona Srbija da izbubi samo zabog slucaja Kovacevic.

Mozda ovaj slucaj Kovacevic i izvuce Ganica posto je izvjesno da Ganic ima dobre veze sa Klinotonovim. A klintonka samo gleda gdje ce ga suknut srbima. Pogotovo kad im je onaj srbin obruko cijelu demokratsku stranku.

Amerikanac je lezao u komi i ostao invalid. Srbija je platila samo milion dolara troskova bolnice. A odsetu koju ce morati platiti za invaliditet i za sta ce Kovaevica teretiti americki advokati i u Srbiji ce biti na desetine miliona. Posto se srbijanska drzava umjesala u to i postala saucesnik te pare ce ona morati da plati.

Slucaj Kovacevic svakako moze biti dobar za pozvati se i pred Britanskim sudom da bi se Srbija diskreditovala sto ce advokati svakako zamezit.


I ta interpolova potjernica je diskutabilna ..po njoj nisu htjeli isporuciti Srbiji ni albanske diplomate koje srbija potrazuje iako je Kosovu u vrijeme tih dogadjaja bio Srbijanska teritorija i bio pod ingerencijom i srbijanske drzave i srbijanskog sustva...
Kad interpolova potjernica ne vazi za Kosovo kako ce vaziti za BiH ciji je suverenitet postojao i u vrijeme dogadjaja za koje terete Ganica.
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#787 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

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ima ljudi koji nikad nece shvatiti da se ne radi samo o Ganicu kao individui nego o BiH. I ja sam se s tim pomirio,ali im necu pruziti zadovoljstvo i da im se predam,jer svaki put kad naidjem na clanak poput ovog:

http://www.alo.rs/vesti/25026/Sponzorus ... g_zlocinca

i slicne clanke, to u meni jos vise ojaca vjeru u borbu protiv onih koji bi svaki pokusaj da se odbrani jezikom,perom ili oruzjem ova drzava Bosna i Hercegovina,htjeli da omalovazavaju pricama o "vilama", "diplomatskim pasosima","gdje je ko rodjen", "ko je vazniji Jurisic il Ganic" i tako dalje itako dalje jer nema nikad kraja pravdanju onih koji ne vole da talasaju i koji vole da izjednacavaju zrtvu sa krivcem,a to u zadnje vrijeme vise rade ljudi koji su trpili agresora sve te teske godine nego oni koji su bili agresori, prosto svojim stavovima i rjecima a cast izuzecima.

Ostalo je jos 400 potjernica koje je Srbija vec proslijedila sirom svijeta, plus 50 potjernica za prezivjelim Srebrenicanima, pored naravno vec spomenutih 19 sa spiska na kojem je vec Ganic,a Jurisic je vec odavno u zatvoru.

Jasno je da su im na redu Divjak,Kljujic,Vikic,Silajdzic,Komsic....hoce li domaci dusebriznici i Robin Hudovi i tada da traze opravdanje za svoju pasivnost tako sto ce i tim ljudima da traze neke "vile" , "pasose", "Jurisice" ? Ili ce konacno da proradi ono sto je krasilo ovaj narod kad je pocela agresija: zajednistvo i neustrasivost?

Znam da se u ratu svaka cigareta dijelila bratski, sad se covjeku i u fildzan gleda "da li ima vise od mene,ako ima taj je lopov". Sramota! Ali vrijeme ce pokazati svoje. Dobro uvijek pobjedjuje,mada je zlo uvijek prisutno u svakom okrsaju.
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#788 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

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Vjerujesh li da su to bili momci koji su branili svoje zivote, zivote najmilijih, grad, drzavu..? Vjerujesh li ti da to nisu bili “mudzahedini”? Poshto nas je “nasha” armija izdala ,borili smo se kako smo znali i umjeli. Za goli zivot i opstanak.
Da je o toj kasarni boravio general kukanjac koji je izjavio da “armija nece ni mrava zgaziti”, a u isto vrijeme iz tih kasarni “nevini regruti” snajperima ubijali zene, djecu, da se prije toga jna zajedno sa srbima i cetnicima ukopala na brdima oko Sarajeva, granatirali,rushili grad NISHTA im nije bilo sveto ?!
Ti cesh i dalje da vjerujesh u ono u shta hocesh da vjerujesh . Lakshe je reci “i oni su krivi’, traziti opravdanja za sve shto se dogodilo za vrijeme agresije na jednu suverenu drzavu, skidati krivicu nego pogledati istini u oci. Manje boli.
Ovdje se ne radi o Ganicu kao fizickom licu, nego o tome kakvu je funkciju obavljao i koga je tada predstavljao.
Da su se tadashnja dogadjanja drugacije zavrshila i da su uspjeli da ostvare shto su naumili, siguran sam da danas ne bih imao priliku da ovo pishem.
Srecom, bili su MOMCI koji su imali srce i hrabrost da to zlo sprijece !!!
Sjeti se:
SREBRENICA, FOCA, OMARSKA, MANJACA...

p.s. poznata mi je bolesna opsesija i patoloshka mrznja prema Ganicu od jedne bivshe sds –ovke.
Nedavno je izashla (da bogdo nije) iz zatvora tako da se ne bih iznenadio da je ona pokrenula inicijativu , nikad mu nece ni oprostit ni halalit mnoge stvari. Zivi bili pa pisali i u vezi toga...uskoro
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#789 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

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@haubica

Svaka cast ! :thumbup:
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#790 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

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Srbija bi da sudi svima koji su joj stali na put,i sprijecili stvaranej Srboslavije :x :x :x ....
Na britanskom nalogu za hapšenje još 17 patriota
Uz Ganićevo navedeno još imena Divjak, Backović, Švrakić, Pušina, Vikić...



Jedna od ključnih stvari na kojoj će se advokati prof. dr. Ejupa Ganića bazirati 9. marta na ročištu na kojem se treba odlučivati o opravdanosti i validnosti zahtjeva Srbije po kojem je Ganić uhapšen 1. marta na londonskom aerodromu jeste nezakonitost naloga za hapšenje, koji je 27. februara potpisao sudija Kventin Perdi (Quentin Purdy).

"Dnevni avaz" ekskluzivno je došao u posjed ovog naloga u kojem se navodi da je zločin za koji zvanični Beograd tereti Ganića počinjen na teritoriji "Srbije u Sarajevu" i da su ubijani "ranjeni" vojnici!?


Faksimil naloga za hapšenje: Ganićevi advokati pokušat će ga osporiti

Nalog otkriva i šokantnu činjenicu da bi, ako se pojave na teritoriji Velike Britanije, sljedeći na redu za hapšenje bili: Fikret Muslimović, Zaim Backović, Jovan Divjak, Emin Švrakić, Jusuf Pušina, Dragan Vikić, Jusuf Prazina Đapić, Nusret Šišić, Mušan Kovač, Jovan Begović, Ibrahim Hodžić, Avdo Panjeta, Jusuf Kecman, Damir Dolan, Samir Čongić, Stjepan Kljuić i Hasan Efendić.

Ta imena, tim redom, poredana su odmah iza imena Ejupa Ganića u nalogu za hapšenje, u kojem se navodi da je Ganić bio u zavjeri s tim osobama i da je "između 2. i 3. maja 1992. godine u Sarajevu omogućio grubo kršenje Ženevske konvencije, tačnije ubijanje ranjenih vojnika, što je u suprotnosti sa članom 1. Ženevske konvencije".

Ganićevi advokati posebno će na ročištu 9. marta pokušati osporiti dio iz naloga za hapšenje iz kojeg proizlazi da je Sarajevo u Srbiji. :shock:

Zašto se dva dana čekalo na hapšenje?

Pravni tim Ejupa Ganića također je iskazao sumnju zbog toga što on prekjučer nije pušten na slobodu uz kauciju, s obrazloženjem suda da postoji bojazan da će napustiti Veliku Britaniju, a s druge strane isti sud je čekao dva dana da ga uhapsi.

Nejasno je, naime, zašto Ganić nije uhapšen istog dana kada je izdat nalog za hapšenje, 27. februara, nego ga je sud pustio da dva dana boravi na slobodi i da ga uhapsi 1. marta, kada je redovnim letom krenuo nazad u Sarajevo.
Ovi su Englezi uvijek bili ljigavi,arogantni i BH neprijatelji ,......ovo ce biti njihova i Srbijanska zajednicka blamaza,......Nista od ovih velikosrpskih zelja,koje su bile namjenjene za domacu upotrebu i skretanje domace i svijetske paznje sa pocetka sudenja Dabicu..........

Ocito ih muci kako nadomiriti brojku krivaca na draugoj strani za svoje presudene sto su po zatvorima Evrope i Svijeta zbog zlocinacko genocidnih rabota, 90 tih ......
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#791 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

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ma Englezi su mala maca, gledaj ovih "dusebriznika" i poznavalaca "istine":

http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php ... _id=415689

da sam juce umro mozda bi im i povjerovao (mislim na komentare), a poslao sam im 3 svoja dosad bez ijedne psovke i uvrede i ne objavljuju, shatro demokratski medij :lol:
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#792 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

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Zanimljiv je blog nekadasnjeg ambasadora VB u Sarajevu:
A reader makes this interesting point:

Ejup Ganic was a highly westernised moderate leader who is fundamentally an academic. He strongly believed in Yugoslavia remaining unified and does not have the antagonism towards fellow former Yugoslav states as large numbers in politics in the region...

Which prompts me to offer you again this thought:

For anyone interested, there latterly have been three main streams in the political organisation of the Bosnian Muslims aka Bosniacs (and for those who really need help, here is the difference between Bosnian Muslims, Bosnian muslims, and Bosniacs):

* secular social-democratic, let's-all-get along stream: not unpopular and even appealing to a lot of people, with Zlatko Lagumdzija to the fore
* overtly nationalistic, demagogic, Bosnia is the Muslim part of former Yugoslavia stream: Haris Silajdzic is the undisputed exponent of this view, which plays up the ethnic identity and territorial demands of the Bosnian Muslims rather than any specific Islamist agenda
* overtly Islamist stream: people who want to create an openly Islamic space in Bosnia as part of a longer-view Islamic agenda. Not all of these people are obvious extremists in themselves - the late Alija Izetbegovic was if anything an ultra-liberal by global Islamic standards. But other parts of this stream spiral off into foreign-funded fanaticism and potential terrorism.

For a small community (some two million people) in a small country, the rivalry between these philosophically distinct and largely mutually exclusive tendencies looks like a recipe for incessant divisions. Which is what the Bosniacs have, and why issues going to the modernisation of Bosnia take a distant back seat.

This explains why Ejup Ganic did not 'fit' Bosniac politics after Bosnia broke from the remainder of Yugoslavia, even though of course he rose to the top level as the Yugoslav period ended and played a leading role in the conflict.

Although he was in the SDA party of Izetbegovic, Ganic was not a determined, deep Islamist like Izetbegovic. His flat in Sarajevo had some proud Islamic inscriptions as you walked in, then a drinks trolley heavy with top-end alcoholic sustenance. The core SDA leadership were people whose political legitimacy flowed from their imprisonment as Islamist 'clero-nationalists' under the communists, and whose agenda was (and is?) essentially all about defending/advancing Islamic influence. As far as I could see, Ganic was not fully trusted by them.

Likewise he was not a Bosniac nationalist like Silajdzic - he was too relaxed about dealing with his political and other enemies, and too ready to make common sense compromises to make progress rather than parking himself noisily on principle. Ganic is of course a scientist of note - maybe trained to look at what works in real life, not in theory?

And he did not choose to side with the Lagumdzija social democratic tendency, probably his natural home insofar as one could be found. Did he (rightly) think that they were never going to get anywhere?

In short Ganic was - and for all I know still is - a 'Yugoslav' by instinct. Someone with a foot in different ethnic and cultural camps, perhaps with a hint of a Belgrade accent from his years in Serbia. And therefore unlikely to appeal to the hard-core Islamist/nationalist elites in Sarajevo, but also too Bosnian/Bosniac to be respected by Serbs.

Likewise General Divjak - one of the few true heroes of the Bosnian war, a senior Serb soldier who fought on the 'Bosnian' side to defend Sarajevo - was also shamefully marginalised by Izetbegovic/Silajdzic after the conflict.

Basically, people like Ganic ought to have been leading Yugoslavia in the European Union now. Instead we have this dreary unending bitterness, now playing itself out in the inefficient entrails of the London legal system.

Collateral damage from all sides in former Yugoslavia refusing Ethnic Disarmament?
http://charlescrawford.biz/MU3C0E988791
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#793 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

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4th of March, 2010


To the Ambassador,
Sir Michael Arthur KCMG
British Embassy
Wilhelmstrasse 70
10117 Berlin
Germany

*** In advance via fax +49 (0) 30 20457 571***


Letter of Protest


Dear Sir Michael Arthur,


On March 1st 2010, the Independence Day of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Professor Dr. Ejup Ganic, former Vice President of Bosnia and Herzegovina, was arrested at Heathrow Airport in London.

Instead of letting him celebrate the Independence Day of Bosnia and Herzegovina on March 1st and his own 64th birthday on March 3rd as a free man, for three days he was not allowed to have any contact neither to his lawyers nor to the Bosnian Ambassador in Great Britain or to his son and daughter.

Is that the usual way to treat somebody who is arrested in Great Britain?

I do not want to go more in detail about the reason for arresting Professor Dr. Ejup Ganic, time will tell the truth, but I am very surprised and disappointed that Great Britain obviously loses credibility for the sake of a sleight of hand of the Serbian Government in order to distract attention from the trial of Radovan Karadzic and to confirm the fairy tale that all Balkan people are equal guilty for the crime in the period between 1992 and 1995 in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Please send me your statement to my postal address.


Yours sincerely
evo jos jednog protest-pisma. mislim da je sve napisano.
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#794 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

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Srpski proces izjednačavanja žrtve sa zločincem...
Žalosno...
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#795 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

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Ma ovo je klasicni propagandni potez Srbijanske politicke scene, koja zbog vlastitih neuspjeha nastoji da i dalje svaku svoju krizu izveze u BIH-a i da kroji svoju pravdu. Da je bilo u Dobrovoljackoj ulici zlocina kao sto to Srbi navode u optuznici a to je smrt 42 vojnika, taj slucaj bi bio procesuiran u Hagu. Isti slucaj je sa Tuzlanskom kapijom i Ilijom Jurisicem. Oni znaju da su dozivjeli fijasko pred sudom pravde u Hagu i pred sudovima u BIH-a. To nije doslo samo od sebe. U vecini optuznica i gdje je bilo materijala da se dokazu moguci pojedinacni zlocini vojnika armije BIH-a, oni su sa svojom optuznicom zeznuli stvari, konkretno, slucaj Nasera Orica i zlocina u Kravicama. Uvijek bi dodavali svoje brojeve zrtava i naknadna imena i pokusali da manipulisu njima. Mikerevic je napisao recimo da su u Sarajevu na Kazanima ubijeno 800 Srba, istina je da je tu Caco i jos nekolicina vojnika 10.brdske brigade ubila oko 50-tak ljudi, koji nisu bili samo Srbi, vec i Hrvati. Taj slucaj je davno procesuiran u BIH-a kao pojedinacni zlocin, a ne kao sistematsko ubijanje projicirano u glavama tadasnjeg ratnog predsjednistva. Mislim da su kazne koje su izrecene bile za taj zlocin male. E kada drasticno uvecate broj zrtava a cinjenice kazu drugo, kako optuzba moze biti dobra.

Insitut koji je ustvrdio najmanji moguci broj zrtava u BIH-a je iznjeo cinjenice da je u BiH-a ubijeno nesto vise od 100 000 ljudi. Od toga iznjeo je i listu koliko je poginulo vojnika na sve tri strane u ratu, a koliko civila i koliko je civila od vojske AR BIH-a i HVO poginulo, a koliko od vojske RS-a i mogu vam reci da su ta dva broja nemjerljivo razlicita i da su zlocini vojske RS uporedivo veci. A sto li? Sve to ima smisla, kada se procita samo transkript ratne skupstine RS-a i vidi se da je to bio sve dio plana jedne srpske ratne masinerije kojoj je bila namjera da u BIH utemelji nesto sto nikada nije bilo, a to je RS.

Srbi ce pokusavati da izjednace krivicu i da u konacnici pred svojim narodom operu sebe, gradeci svoju istinu na iskostruisanim optuzbama koje nemaju uporista u stvarnim dogadjajima. Prije ovih dogadjaja u Srbiji je prije par godina bila pomama za dokumentarcom o Dobrovoljackoj isto tako i u RS-u. A znate zasto, da bi njihova javnost i dalje vjerovala u onu pricu o nama Bosancima da smo mi sve to prouzrokovali sami i da su oni bili ti koji nisu gradili veliku Srbiju, vec cuvali Jugoslaviju.

Ako bude pravde, a bice je. Prica o Dobrovoljackoj ce biti fijasko srpske propagandne masine, a Ganic ce biti pusten na slobodu.
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#796 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

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@Vjeciti, ... @kv99, ... @veljaca, .... tema je o Ganicu, nije o vama trojici.
Imate funkciju PP-a, pa tamo opetite sa licnim prepucavanjima.
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#797 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

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VjecitiStudent wrote:Zanimljiv je blog nekadasnjeg ambasadora VB u Sarajevu:
A reader makes this interesting point:

Ejup Ganic was a highly westernised moderate leader who is fundamentally an academic. He strongly believed in Yugoslavia remaining unified and does not have the antagonism towards fellow former Yugoslav states as large numbers in politics in the region...

Which prompts me to offer you again this thought:

For anyone interested, there latterly have been three main streams in the political organisation of the Bosnian Muslims aka Bosniacs (and for those who really need help, here is the difference between Bosnian Muslims, Bosnian muslims, and Bosniacs):

* secular social-democratic, let's-all-get along stream: not unpopular and even appealing to a lot of people, with Zlatko Lagumdzija to the fore
* overtly nationalistic, demagogic, Bosnia is the Muslim part of former Yugoslavia stream: Haris Silajdzic is the undisputed exponent of this view, which plays up the ethnic identity and territorial demands of the Bosnian Muslims rather than any specific Islamist agenda
* overtly Islamist stream: people who want to create an openly Islamic space in Bosnia as part of a longer-view Islamic agenda. Not all of these people are obvious extremists in themselves - the late Alija Izetbegovic was if anything an ultra-liberal by global Islamic standards. But other parts of this stream spiral off into foreign-funded fanaticism and potential terrorism.

For a small community (some two million people) in a small country, the rivalry between these philosophically distinct and largely mutually exclusive tendencies looks like a recipe for incessant divisions. Which is what the Bosniacs have, and why issues going to the modernisation of Bosnia take a distant back seat.

This explains why Ejup Ganic did not 'fit' Bosniac politics after Bosnia broke from the remainder of Yugoslavia, even though of course he rose to the top level as the Yugoslav period ended and played a leading role in the conflict.

Although he was in the SDA party of Izetbegovic, Ganic was not a determined, deep Islamist like Izetbegovic. His flat in Sarajevo had some proud Islamic inscriptions as you walked in, then a drinks trolley heavy with top-end alcoholic sustenance. The core SDA leadership were people whose political legitimacy flowed from their imprisonment as Islamist 'clero-nationalists' under the communists, and whose agenda was (and is?) essentially all about defending/advancing Islamic influence. As far as I could see, Ganic was not fully trusted by them.

Likewise he was not a Bosniac nationalist like Silajdzic - he was too relaxed about dealing with his political and other enemies, and too ready to make common sense compromises to make progress rather than parking himself noisily on principle. Ganic is of course a scientist of note - maybe trained to look at what works in real life, not in theory?

And he did not choose to side with the Lagumdzija social democratic tendency, probably his natural home insofar as one could be found. Did he (rightly) think that they were never going to get anywhere?

In short Ganic was - and for all I know still is - a 'Yugoslav' by instinct. Someone with a foot in different ethnic and cultural camps, perhaps with a hint of a Belgrade accent from his years in Serbia. And therefore unlikely to appeal to the hard-core Islamist/nationalist elites in Sarajevo, but also too Bosnian/Bosniac to be respected by Serbs.

Likewise General Divjak - one of the few true heroes of the Bosnian war, a senior Serb soldier who fought on the 'Bosnian' side to defend Sarajevo - was also shamefully marginalised by Izetbegovic/Silajdzic after the conflict.

Basically, people like Ganic ought to have been leading Yugoslavia in the European Union now. Instead we have this dreary unending bitterness, now playing itself out in the inefficient entrails of the London legal system.

Collateral damage from all sides in former Yugoslavia refusing Ethnic Disarmament?
http://charlescrawford.biz/MU3C0E988791
A sta je to zanimljivo u ovom tekstu? :D Jel nam pokusao objasniti zasto je njegova zemlja uhapsila Ganica? Sta je ovde relevantno za samo hapsenje? Sjeo cova i opisao politicku garnituru na sceni i ja sad kao trebam da se divim njegovom piskaranju? :D Uz to bi rekla da je i shupak jer smrdi na onu "svi su podjednako krivi" :D
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#798 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

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Soul_Sista wrote: A sta je to zanimljivo u ovom tekstu? :D Jel nam pokusao objasniti zasto je njegova zemlja uhapsila Ganica? Sta je ovde relevantno za samo hapsenje? Sjeo cova i opisao politicku garnituru na sceni i ja sad kao trebam da se divim njegovom piskaranju? :D Uz to bi rekla da je i shupak jer smrdi na onu "svi su podjednako krivi" :D
Ovo je vrlo zanimljiva analiza sa strane o tome na sta danas lice politicke snage u Bosnjaka, takodjer vrlo je afirmativna ocjena i samog Ganica.
A ovo ostalo sto pitas, procitaj malo i ostale tekstove na blogu, dosta detaljno je opisan britanski pogled na cijeli ovaj slucaj.
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#799 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

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Zar neko pokušava da me ubijedi da ove dvije osobe na slikama imaju neke slicnosti....


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#800 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic

Post by dallton »

Soul_Sista wrote:
VjecitiStudent wrote:Zanimljiv je blog nekadasnjeg ambasadora VB u Sarajevu:
A reader makes this interesting point:

Ejup Ganic was a highly westernised moderate leader who is fundamentally an academic. He strongly believed in Yugoslavia remaining unified and does not have the antagonism towards fellow former Yugoslav states as large numbers in politics in the region...

Which prompts me to offer you again this thought:

For anyone interested, there latterly have been three main streams in the political organisation of the Bosnian Muslims aka Bosniacs (and for those who really need help, here is the difference between Bosnian Muslims, Bosnian muslims, and Bosniacs):

* secular social-democratic, let's-all-get along stream: not unpopular and even appealing to a lot of people, with Zlatko Lagumdzija to the fore
* overtly nationalistic, demagogic, Bosnia is the Muslim part of former Yugoslavia stream: Haris Silajdzic is the undisputed exponent of this view, which plays up the ethnic identity and territorial demands of the Bosnian Muslims rather than any specific Islamist agenda
* overtly Islamist stream: people who want to create an openly Islamic space in Bosnia as part of a longer-view Islamic agenda. Not all of these people are obvious extremists in themselves - the late Alija Izetbegovic was if anything an ultra-liberal by global Islamic standards. But other parts of this stream spiral off into foreign-funded fanaticism and potential terrorism.

For a small community (some two million people) in a small country, the rivalry between these philosophically distinct and largely mutually exclusive tendencies looks like a recipe for incessant divisions. Which is what the Bosniacs have, and why issues going to the modernisation of Bosnia take a distant back seat.

This explains why Ejup Ganic did not 'fit' Bosniac politics after Bosnia broke from the remainder of Yugoslavia, even though of course he rose to the top level as the Yugoslav period ended and played a leading role in the conflict.

Although he was in the SDA party of Izetbegovic, Ganic was not a determined, deep Islamist like Izetbegovic. His flat in Sarajevo had some proud Islamic inscriptions as you walked in, then a drinks trolley heavy with top-end alcoholic sustenance. The core SDA leadership were people whose political legitimacy flowed from their imprisonment as Islamist 'clero-nationalists' under the communists, and whose agenda was (and is?) essentially all about defending/advancing Islamic influence. As far as I could see, Ganic was not fully trusted by them.

Likewise he was not a Bosniac nationalist like Silajdzic - he was too relaxed about dealing with his political and other enemies, and too ready to make common sense compromises to make progress rather than parking himself noisily on principle. Ganic is of course a scientist of note - maybe trained to look at what works in real life, not in theory?

And he did not choose to side with the Lagumdzija social democratic tendency, probably his natural home insofar as one could be found. Did he (rightly) think that they were never going to get anywhere?

In short Ganic was - and for all I know still is - a 'Yugoslav' by instinct. Someone with a foot in different ethnic and cultural camps, perhaps with a hint of a Belgrade accent from his years in Serbia. And therefore unlikely to appeal to the hard-core Islamist/nationalist elites in Sarajevo, but also too Bosnian/Bosniac to be respected by Serbs.

Likewise General Divjak - one of the few true heroes of the Bosnian war, a senior Serb soldier who fought on the 'Bosnian' side to defend Sarajevo - was also shamefully marginalised by Izetbegovic/Silajdzic after the conflict.

Basically, people like Ganic ought to have been leading Yugoslavia in the European Union now. Instead we have this dreary unending bitterness, now playing itself out in the inefficient entrails of the London legal system.

Collateral damage from all sides in former Yugoslavia refusing Ethnic Disarmament?
http://charlescrawford.biz/MU3C0E988791
A sta je to zanimljivo u ovom tekstu? :D Jel nam pokusao objasniti zasto je njegova zemlja uhapsila Ganica? Sta je ovde relevantno za samo hapsenje? Sjeo cova i opisao politicku garnituru na sceni i ja sad kao trebam da se divim njegovom piskaranju? :D Uz to bi rekla da je i shupak jer smrdi na onu "svi su podjednako krivi" :D
s obzirom da analizu pise charles crawford, bivsi britanski ambasador u bih i bivsoj jugi, jedan od glavnih britanskih veznih igraca sa ljudima kao sto su nenad kecmanovic i ostala stara srpska cetnicka garda, ne znam koliko je tekst za ozbiljno uzimati
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