Sirija vol. 2

[AleksoMKD]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/24/maga ... .html?_r=0

Vrlo interesantan osvrt i prilicno neutralan za NYT, obicni ljudi gledaju da prezive, preporucujem navijacima obe strane da procitaju.

In March, I met a lawyer named Anas Joudeh, who took part in some of the 2011 protests. Joudeh no longer considers himself a member of the opposition. I asked him why. “No one is 100 percent with the regime, but mostly these people are unified by their resistance to the opposition,” Joudeh told me. “They know what they don’t want, not what they want.” In December, he said, “Syrians abroad who believe in the revolution would call me and say, ‘We lost Aleppo.’ And I would say, ‘What do you mean?’ It was only a Turkish card guarded by jihadis.” For these exiled Syrians, he said, the specter of Assad’s crimes looms so large that they cannot see anything else. They refuse to acknowledge the realities of a rebellion that is corrupt, brutal and compromised by foreign sponsors. This is true. Eastern Aleppo may not have been Raqqa, where ISIS advertised its rigid Islamist dystopia and its mass beheadings. But as a symbol of Syria’s future, it was almost as bad: a chaotic wasteland full of feuding militias — some of them radical Islamists — who hoarded food and weapons while the people starved.

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What destroyed Aleppo? It was not the sectarianism that is often held up as a key to the Syrian war. It was not just “terrorism,” the word used by regime apologists to fend off any share of blame. Those things played a role, but the core of the conflict in Aleppo, as in much of Syria, was a divide between urban wealth and rural poverty. It is not new. Travelers in the Ottoman era used to describe the shocking gulf between Aleppo’s opulence and the countryside surrounding it, where peasants lived in almost Stone Age conditions. Later, this divide mapped onto the city itself, as eastern Aleppo spread and filled with poor migrants. Deeply religious and mostly illiterate, smoldering with class resentment, they became the foot soldiers of a violent insurgency led by the Muslim Brotherhood in the 1970s.

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“I was very scared of both sides,” Yasser told me later. “If I went to one side, the other would kill me.” He lay there, his limbs going numb, too frightened to move or speak for more than four hours.

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There was a prison too, and I later met a woman who seems to have been kept there. She had been captured in a rural village, and the rebels killed her husband and then moved her from place to place, intending to trade her for their own prisoners. There were female jailers who beat and cursed her and called her an infidel. She told me she was given a bottle of water to wash herself with once every 10 to 15 days. During the final battle for Aleppo, she often heard the sounds of bombs and mortars exploding nearby, and her jailers would taunt her, saying Assad’s bombs will kill you.
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Nista cudno sto svako ko moze bezi glavom bez obzira.

[Čitalac]

I Haytham Manna, pisac i aktivista, više puta je rekao da mladi ljudi u Siriji ne žele da biraju između diktature i ekstremizma pa zato beže iz zemlje kako znaju i umeju. Otud u sirijskom ratu toliko stranaca. Na samom početku protesta, upravo je Manna lansirao slogan "Tri NE" - ne nasilju, ne sektašenju i ne stranoj intervenciji. No, već u junu 2012, u tekstu za Guardian, Manna konstatuje da su revoluciju, usled nasilja vlade i uticaja stranog faktora, preoteli ekstremisti i da sve odlazi dođavola. Danas je, kao sekularista i levičar, od strane ekstremista praktično proglašen za izdajnika.

Our problem is, and I’ve said this from the beginning: militarization means Islamization. Ordinary young people want to live; they don’t want to die. They don’t want to bet on a paradise that is not, how shall I say, a certainty for them. For that, you need people who will fight to become martyrs. In the end, it will be only the extremists.
Now, rebel groups like Ahrar al-Sham and the Nusra Front have brought in foreigners to fight for them while every day, our own youth are leaving the country to ask for asylum in Germany or France, even Australia. The boats of death on the Mediterranean kill our young people every day. Why are they leaving Syria? Because they do not accept the choice between dictatorship and extremism.

[Nadzornik]

Kurdi optuzuju Turske vlasti da isporucuju oruzje Isilu u Raki.

[Nadzornik]

Turska priprema elitne snage za invaziju na Sirijske Kurde na mjestima gdje Americke snage nisu prisutne.
Medju tim snagama ucestvuju i skupine koje su vec bile angazovane u operaciji Stit Eufrata i koje su dobro placene.

[Nadzornik]

[Kikibombona]

Krscani u Siriji su podijeljeni na pro-kurdske i pro-basisticke. Sa Kurdima Sutoro sa Basistima Sootoro.

I Iraku isto tako. Sa Kurdima (tj. Barzanijem) 'Zastitne snage Nejneve' a sa Bagdadom (tj. Hashd al-Shabijem, tj. sijama) 'Babilonska jedinica'. Tenzije medju njima su izrazene do te mjere da su sukobi moguci u buducnosti.

Fears that divisions among Nineveh’s Christians may threaten security

“We will be protecting the Nineveh Plains. We will be protecting our regions after the Peshmerga liberate them and then leave. We belong to Kurdistan, but other Christians belong to Baghdad. The places where we are belonging to Kurdistan and are protected by the Peshmerga, I don’t think they can come to this place and create problems,” Hurmiz said of the duties of their brigade.

http://www.rudaw.net/mobile/english/kurdistan/230520172

Manjinama je bolje da se drze Kurda, ali sta mogu kada ih dio zivi pod kontrolom Damaska i Bagdada... i zato ove podjele medju njima...

Kolega moram vas ispravit, Asirci Sirije(točnije Asirci Hasake) su podijeljeni na pro - Assadističke i pro- Kurdske, sumnjam baš da u Allepu, Hami, Damasku, Latakiji ima nekih pro-kurdskih simpatizera . U Iraku su im Kurdi svakako najbolji izbor, u Siriji i jesu i nisu...zato nije loše da su i tamo i vamo, zajebano je kad si najslabiji u razredu

Pa to se podrazumjeva.

Isto tako su krscani Ainkawe za nezavisni Kurdistan, zato jer se nalaze u srcu kurdske drzave. Mozes misliti, bas u Ainkawi je podrska za nezavisnost najveca.

http://www.basnews.com/index.php/en/new ... tan/294490

http://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/43b3 ... -Kurdistan

Realno, krscani se trebaju drzati Kurda. Od njih ce dobiti sve, sva moguca kulturna prava, politicku autonomiju, lokalnu vojsku i policiju itd. To je jedini garant da ostanu na tom prostoru. Basisti im nikad nista nisu dali. Jos 100 godina basisticke vlasti i krscana u Siriji uopste nece biti.

[ioannes]

@kiki

[Krokodajl]

Tal Sauana i Hemijski kombinat za preradu fosfata u blizini rudnika fosfata oslobođeni, istočno od Karjatajna.

Oslobođeno selo Ulajnija sjeverno od punkta Za'za, jedinice SAA na par kilometara od spajanja ceste Za'za - Palmira

[fosna2014]

#SAA and allies announce the start of operation Grand Dawn #OpGrandDawn to capture Syria's eastern desert

[Maystor]

Sve te mape koje lijepite po forumu su netačne i besmislene (ali bolje i to nego onaj prošli serijal na temu "miss cigana").
U pustinji ne postoje linije niti teritorija pod nečijom kontrolom, kako se to crta u paintu i postavlja na forumima. Mehanizacija SAA je prošla duboko iza leđa orcima i ganjaju ih ko miševe; isilovci se masovno povlače u konvojima iz planinskog lanca istočnog Kalemuna, a avijacija ih ždije kao na video igrama. Fazon je u tome što je ovo samo zagrijavanje. Rusi se spremaju za najjaču kampanju do sad, neće stati ni u Deiru, ide se do iračke granice.
Tigar standardno.
Gazi, gazi, gazi, vehabije

[fosna2014]

[zrakomlat]

Pade mi na pamet onaj trajno banovani @Đulizar: "Muslimani vole lijepe džamije na uzvišenjima..."



Lik je, navodno, neka živa net-legenda. Zna li se ko je, odakle je, za koga navija...

p.s.

Pozdrav legendi Cyraxu, ako ovo čita....

...i sa lijepim cilimima....

Poslano sa mog SM-P600 koristeći Tapatalk....

Šteta što ga nema. Išao mi na živce prvih nekoliko "normalnih" postova, kasnije skontam zajebaje se lik i to kvalitetno.

[habanero68]

Gif napredovanja SAA, u juznoj Syriji, od 12 maja.



https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar ... ern_syria/

[insomnia78]

Sve te mape koje lijepite po forumu su netačne i besmislene (ali bolje i to nego onaj prošli serijal na temu "miss cigana").
U pustinji ne postoje linije niti teritorija pod nečijom kontrolom, kako se to crta u paintu i postavlja na forumima. Mehanizacija SAA je prošla duboko iza leđa orcima i ganjaju ih ko miševe; isilovci se masovno povlače u konvojima iz planinskog lanca istočnog Kalemuna, a avijacija ih ždije kao na video igrama. Fazon je u tome što je ovo samo zagrijavanje. Rusi se spremaju za najjaču kampanju do sad, neće stati ni u Deiru, ide se do iračke granice.
Tigar standardno.
Gazi, gazi, gazi, vehabije

Zato ti znas. Direktno javljanje iz ruskog staba
Opa, ve'abije. Vise nije teroriste. Za koji dan ce biti "samo" muslimane?

[Kikibombona]

Russian Embassy, UK @RussianEmbassy
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20 h

.@mod_russia Shoigu: Russia is effectively working with Jordan and Israel on issues of a new Constitution of Syria

Glupaca Mimi




Partisangirl  @Partisangirl
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7 h

#Russia just admitted that it is collaborating with #Syria's worst enemy Israel and Jordan on #Syria's constitution!

Asadovci kukaju zato sto je 'Baath brana' dobila novo ime!

Kurds are trying to rename #Syria-n cities, #Tabaqa to "freedom damn", Ayn Al Arab to Kobane, Qamishli to Qamishlo. #Kurdification of #Syria

Azadi dam!

[muhafuca]

razvoj situacije zadnjih nekoliko dana

[sarajevoxxxx]

Russian Embassy, UK @RussianEmbassy
·
20 h

.@mod_russia Shoigu: Russia is effectively working with Jordan and Israel on issues of a new Constitution of Syria

Glupaca Mimi




Partisangirl  @Partisangirl
·
7 h

#Russia just admitted that it is collaborating with #Syria's worst enemy Israel and Jordan on #Syria's constitution!

Asadovci kukaju zato sto je 'Baath brana' dobila novo ime!

Kurds are trying to rename #Syria-n cities, #Tabaqa to "freedom damn", Ayn Al Arab to Kobane, Qamishli to Qamishlo. #Kurdification of #Syria

Azadi dam!

[sarajevoxxxx]

Ranije sam govorio kako smatram da Erdogan bez obzira na izjave da ipak vodi jednu politiku pomirenja sa Kurdima. Evo današnji tekst od Eneb beledi o tome:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 5729105130

[fosna2014]

Pro-Hezbollah mapa #Maskanah

[ioannes]

"Sirija ce se smiriti i nece vise biti rata. Sirijci ce na kraju pobjediti i Sirija ce se razvijati na moderan nacin. Rusija ce obnoviti Siriju i nece vise biti rusevina. Sirija ce postati najljepsa islamska drzava koja ce izgraditi Dzamije gdje ce se muslimani moci klanjat. Sirijom ce vladati hodze koje ce voditi Siriju u bolje sutra. Muslimani ce moci da se razviijaju u jednu divnu zemlju gdje ce biti puno Dzamija."

[zrakomlat]

"Sirija ce se smiriti i nece vise biti rata. Sirijci ce na kraju pobjediti i Sirija ce se razvijati na moderan nacin. Rusija ce obnoviti Siriju i nece vise biti rusevina. Sirija ce postati najljepsa islamska drzava koja ce izgraditi Dzamije gdje ce se muslimani moci klanjat. Sirijom ce vladati hodze koje ce voditi Siriju u bolje sutra. Muslimani ce moci da se razviijaju u jednu divnu zemlju gdje ce biti puno Dzamija."

To, to

[fosna2014]

Na flightradaru dva interesantna aviona u zracnom prostoru Sirije. Jedan stize iz Teherana drugi (kako se meni cini) ide prema sjeveroistoku sa MA Damaskus. Mozda Kamishli?

UPDATE: potpuno promijenio pravac

[Kikibombona]

Ranije sam govorio kako smatram da Erdogan bez obzira na izjave da ipak vodi jednu politiku pomirenja sa Kurdima. Evo današnji tekst od Eneb beledi o tome:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 5729105130

Ti si posvadjan sam sa sobom.

Al' slazem se da Erdogan radi odlican posao za Veliki Kurdistan, bas kao sto je SlobA radio za Veliku Albaniju!

[Maystor]

Russian Embassy, UK @RussianEmbassy
·
20 h

.@mod_russia Shoigu: Russia is effectively working with Jordan and Israel on issues of a new Constitution of Syria

Glupaca Mimi




Partisangirl  @Partisangirl
·
7 h

#Russia just admitted that it is collaborating with #Syria's worst enemy Israel and Jordan on #Syria's constitution!

Asadovci kukaju zato sto je 'Baath brana' dobila novo ime!

Kurds are trying to rename #Syria-n cities, #Tabaqa to "freedom damn", Ayn Al Arab to Kobane, Qamishli to Qamishlo. #Kurdification of #Syria

Azadi dam!

Jezikača lupeta, po običaju. Sirija je bila nekoliko mjeseci udaljena od kolapsa, neposredno prije ruske intervencije. Putina da nema, trebalo bi ga izmislit. Evo i Bakir Izetbegović tvrdi isto

[Bobi]

Na flightradaru dva interesantna aviona u zracnom prostoru Sirije. Jedan stize iz Teherana drugi (kako se meni cini) ide prema sjeveroistoku sa MA Damaskus. Mozda Kamishli?

UPDATE: potpuno promijenio pravac