blenta wrote:
medina zidovska? moguce je spekulirati da jedna cinjenica znaci ovo ili ono, ali lazi? cemu onda diskusija? medina je bila arapska, od svog nastanka. bila su dva velika arapska plemana kazradz i avs i bili su pagani. zidovi su bili doseljenici iz palestine i bila su dva mala plemena koja su bila apsolutna manjina. doselili su jer su po njihovim predanjima ocekivali mesiju da se pojavi na tom prostoru. zato su se doselili, jer tu inace nije bilo jevreja. muhameda a.s. nisu primili jevreji nego arapi ansarije-oni koji pomazu-medinski arapi. muhadziri su bili arapi koji su sa muhamedom a.s. dosli iz meke. muhadzir znaci izbjeglica. to da je muhamed a.s. pobjegao zidovima u medinu je jedna od vecih gluposti koje sam procitala ovih dana. umjesto da pises gluposti, malo citaj historiju, mozda nesto naucis.
to je sporedna stvar u diskusiji. bitan je nacin djelovanja isusa i muhameda koji su kao sto rekoh dijametralno suprotni! isto je neistina da su zidovi neprijatelji od 1948, jer je jasno napisano u kuranu da se ne druze muslimani s krscanima
i zidovima jer im ovi
misle zlo. dakle nije to nikakav odgovor na provokaciju od krizarskih ratova. nego je problem u samoj biti islama. ili bolje receno u
frustracijama muhameda jer mu nije islo sve po planu. nakon sto je upravo kod zidova iz medine naucio nesto o tori (ali kao sto ti velis za einsteina koji je ipak nesto i napravio - bio je jako los ucenik - i napravio je samo masu pogresaka, da ne spominjem religiozne jer to je stvar ubjedjenja, ali masu pogresaka povjesnih u kuranu, pogresno je smjestio i mariju magdalenu i citav niz drugih osoba)
ja ne citam "historiju" u kuranskoj skoli pa sam nesto malo i naucio....iako je bezobrazno raditi copy-paste. ipak:
Second sacred city of Islam; situated in the Hijaz in Arabia, about 250 miles north of Mecca. It is celebrated as the place to which the Hegira (Mohammed's flight from Mecca) was directed, and as the capital and burial-place of Mohammed. According to Arabic tradition, Yathrib and the Hijaz were originally peopled with Amalekites, who were displaced by the Israelites. There are different accounts as to when this displacement was effected: some say that it occurred under Moses (comp. "Kitab al-Aghani," iv. 263); some, under Joshua; and some, under David, who it is stated resided in the Hijaz during Absalom's rebellion.
Jews may have settled in the Hijaz after the sack of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar; and it is probable that they came in successive colonies, e.g., after Pompey's attack upon Judea (64 B.C.), after Titus' conquest of Jerusalem (70 C.E.), and again after Hadrian's persecution of the Jews (in 136 C.E.; see Arabia).
Jewish Tribes at Medina.
The Jews had a very rich and flourishing settlement at Yathrib and built strongholds in the city and vicinity. The principal families were the Banu Ḳainuḳa', the Banu Ḳuraiẓa, and the Banu al-Naḍir. The latter two were known as the "Al-Kahinan," because they traced their descent from Aaron. In the fourth century Arab tribes from Yemen began to encroach upon the Jews in Medina. They were divided into two clans, the Banu Aus andthe Banu Khazraj. By calling in outside assistance and treacherously massacring at a banquet the principal Jews, these Arab clans finally gained the upper hand at Medina toward the end of the fifth century (for date see "J. Q. R." vii. 175, note). From this time the Jews retired into the background for about a century. About four or five years before the Hegira the Jews took an active part in the battle of Bu'ath between the Banu Aus and the Banu Khazraj. The Banu Naḍir and the Banu Ḳuraiẓa fought with the Banu Aus, while the Banu Ḳainuḳa' were allied with the Banu Khazraj. The latter were defeated after a long and desperate battle.
Mohammed's Attitude Toward Jews of Medina.
It is probable that the presence of Jews in Medina did much to prepare the way for Mohammed's teaching. When the prophet first went to Medina he was inclined to be friendly toward the Jews. They were included in the treaty between him and the inhabitants of Medina. He also made certain concessions to them on the ground of religion, and adopted their ḳiblah—Jerusalem—in the hope of winning them to his cause. They, however, ridiculed him, and delighted in drawing him into arguments to expose his ignorance; so that his conciliatory attitude was soon changed to enmity. A few Jews were converted to Islam, among them Abdallah ibn Salam, whom Mohammed called the "servant of God," and of whose conversion the prophet made much.
Mohammed Attacks Jews.
Finally Mohammed began to use klix violence toward the Medina Jews. After the battle of Bedr a woman called Asma, said by some to be a Jewess, wrote satirical verses, and was killed in her sleep, probably with Mohammed's consent. Not long before, Abu 'Afak of the Banu Amr, who had been converted to Judaism, had been assassinated for having displeased Mohammed by writing verses ridiculing the new religion. Mohammed then seems to have decided to get rid of the Jews in a body, since they were a constant menace to his cause. He began with the Banu Ḳainuḳa', who were goldsmiths, and lived by themselves in a fortified suburb. He first summoned them to accept his religion, and they refused. Soon a pretext was found for an open attack. A Moslem girl was insulted by a Jew of the Banu Ḳainuḳa'; the Jew was killed by a Moslem, and the latter in turn was killed by the brothers of the murdered Jew. Mohammed immediately marched against the Banu Ḳainuḳa' and besieged them in their stronghold. After a siege of fifteen days they surrendered, and their lives were spared only at the urgent request of Abdallah ibn Ubai, the influential leader of the Arab opposition, whose pleading Mohammed dared not ignore. Being allowed to leave the country, they emigrated toward the north. Their departure weakened the Jews, who if they had been united might have withstood Mohammed's attacks.
About a month after the emigration of the Ḳainuḳa', Abu Sufyan, the leader of the Meccan opposition, visited Ḥuyayy of the Banu al-Naḍir, but, being refused admittance by him, spent the night with another influential man of the same tribe and obtained information from him concerning the state of Medina. Another Jewish poet was assassinated about this time at Mohammed's desire. This was Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf of the Banu Naḍir, who had been stirring up the Ḳuraish at Mecca by his verses after the battle of Bedr. Ibn Sanina, a Jewish merchant, was killed on the day after Ka'b; and the Jews now began to fear to leave their houses. In the summer of 625 Mohammed attacked and besieged the Banu al-Naḍir. There appears to have been no satisfactory pretext for the attack. Mohammed claimed that he had received a revelation telling him of the treachery of the Jews. After a siege of fifteen or twenty days Abdallah ibn Ubai prevailed on the Naḍir to surrender. They were exiled, being allowed to take their goods with them, and emigrated toward the north, settling in Khaibar and in Syria.
