A u 3PM...
Nemoj nas ostaviti molimo te, ova jebena zemlja te treba...
Mozes biti i trener na Marsu, ali mi smo uvijek znali da si ti samo nas...
U boga ne vjerujem, ali, za svaki slucaj, i njemu se molim da nam te sacuva...
Osim do¾ivio srèani udar
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Umjetnik a
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#80
Švabo ne daj se, uz tebe smo
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elSaik
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#81
Prema njemačkom Kicker-u, Osimovo stanje je stabilno i van životne je opasnosti... 
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/intl ... el/372040/
A isto to prenosi i sport1...
http://www.sport1.de/de/apps/news/news- ... 40178.html
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/intl ... el/372040/
A isto to prenosi i sport1...
http://www.sport1.de/de/apps/news/news- ... 40178.html
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bijelo_dugme
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#82
elSaik wrote:Prema njemačkom Kicker-u, Osimovo stanje je stabilno i van životne je opasnosti...
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/intl ... el/372040/
A isto to prenosi i sport1...
http://www.sport1.de/de/apps/news/news- ... 40178.html
Sad samo akBd da nema velike poslijednice.
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The_Fluid
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#83
Osim outlook still grim
National coach Ivica Osim remained in intensive care a night after suffering a stroke that left the nation stunned, the Japan Football Association announced on Saturday evening.
The 66-year-old Osim, who collapsed at his home in Chiba after 2 a.m. Friday, is being kept unconscious by doctors at the Juntendo Urayasu Hospital in an effort to stabilize his condition, according to JFA general secretary Kozo Tashima, who caught a glimpse of the Bosnian in the ICU.
Tashima, nevertheless, did not divulge further specifics of Osim's condition at the wishes of his wife Asima and son Amar, who refused to release added information apart from the fact that it took at least an hour for Osim to be rushed to the hospital after his collapse.
In accordance with hospital policy, Juntendo also does not hold press conferences regarding its patients. Amar, the JEF United Chiba coach, conducted scheduled training for the second straight day.
"Mr. Osim is still in the ICU as of today," Tashima said during a press briefing. "His family does not want to hold a press conference and does not want to reveal anything more, nor does the hospital.
"The situation has not changed as of yesterday. As you all know, being in the ICU is not something to be optimistic about. He has not improved, and he has not gotten worse. Doctors are keeping him unconscious to reduce his stress level.
"If I had positive news to give, I would. But we have to respect the decisions of his family."
Tashima said at least two JFA staff will be at the hospital 24 hours a day. Osim's assistants, including former FC Tokyo coach Kiyoshi Okuma, also remain at his side.
Regardless of whether Osim can make a full recovery or not, it is unlikely that he will be ready to take the helm by February, when Japan plays its first qualifier for the 2010 World Cup.
In baseball, Japan manager Shigeo Nagashima suffered a stroke in March 2004 at the age of 68. The Yomiuri Giants legend did not return in time for the Athens Olympics that August.
Already, names of a potential successor are being whispered, such as Gamba Osaka manager Akira Nishino and Japan's 1998 World Cup coach Takeshi Okada, who has experience taking over the national team in the middle of a qualifying campaign.
Tashima on Saturday said no discussion of a coaching switch has been held inside the JFA. And if it were, the brainstorming would be done by the technical committee.
"I'm aware what is on the minds of everyone, but right now, I'm not thinking about that at all," said Tashima, the JFA's ex-technical chief. "What we want more than anything is for him to regain his health.
(Nov. 18, 2007)
iz Dnevnog Avaza, od 17. Nov 2007:
National coach Ivica Osim remained in intensive care a night after suffering a stroke that left the nation stunned, the Japan Football Association announced on Saturday evening.
The 66-year-old Osim, who collapsed at his home in Chiba after 2 a.m. Friday, is being kept unconscious by doctors at the Juntendo Urayasu Hospital in an effort to stabilize his condition, according to JFA general secretary Kozo Tashima, who caught a glimpse of the Bosnian in the ICU.
Tashima, nevertheless, did not divulge further specifics of Osim's condition at the wishes of his wife Asima and son Amar, who refused to release added information apart from the fact that it took at least an hour for Osim to be rushed to the hospital after his collapse.
In accordance with hospital policy, Juntendo also does not hold press conferences regarding its patients. Amar, the JEF United Chiba coach, conducted scheduled training for the second straight day.
"Mr. Osim is still in the ICU as of today," Tashima said during a press briefing. "His family does not want to hold a press conference and does not want to reveal anything more, nor does the hospital.
"The situation has not changed as of yesterday. As you all know, being in the ICU is not something to be optimistic about. He has not improved, and he has not gotten worse. Doctors are keeping him unconscious to reduce his stress level.
"If I had positive news to give, I would. But we have to respect the decisions of his family."
Tashima said at least two JFA staff will be at the hospital 24 hours a day. Osim's assistants, including former FC Tokyo coach Kiyoshi Okuma, also remain at his side.
Regardless of whether Osim can make a full recovery or not, it is unlikely that he will be ready to take the helm by February, when Japan plays its first qualifier for the 2010 World Cup.
In baseball, Japan manager Shigeo Nagashima suffered a stroke in March 2004 at the age of 68. The Yomiuri Giants legend did not return in time for the Athens Olympics that August.
Already, names of a potential successor are being whispered, such as Gamba Osaka manager Akira Nishino and Japan's 1998 World Cup coach Takeshi Okada, who has experience taking over the national team in the middle of a qualifying campaign.
Tashima on Saturday said no discussion of a coaching switch has been held inside the JFA. And if it were, the brainstorming would be done by the technical committee.
"I'm aware what is on the minds of everyone, but right now, I'm not thinking about that at all," said Tashima, the JFA's ex-technical chief. "What we want more than anything is for him to regain his health.
(Nov. 18, 2007)
iz Dnevnog Avaza, od 17. Nov 2007:
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DaysleepeR
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#85
Znam za postupak kakav primjenjuju na Osimu a to je da doktori namjerno održavaju stanje kome kako bi izbjegli teske posljedice udara.
Bio sam svjedok tom postupku kad je jedna bliska mi osoba imala mozdani te su je drzali u komi mjesec dana jer do dugorocnih posljedica dolazi upravo pri budjenju.
Tako da samo stanje kome ne treba posmatrati kao nesto kriticno.
Vidjecemo sta ce biti samo se ne treba nadati da ce se uskoro probuditi.
Bio sam svjedok tom postupku kad je jedna bliska mi osoba imala mozdani te su je drzali u komi mjesec dana jer do dugorocnih posljedica dolazi upravo pri budjenju.
Tako da samo stanje kome ne treba posmatrati kao nesto kriticno.
Vidjecemo sta ce biti samo se ne treba nadati da ce se uskoro probuditi.
The 66-year-old Osim, who collapsed at his home in Chiba after 2 a.m. Friday, is being kept unconscious by doctors at the Juntendo Urayasu Hospital in an effort to stabilize his condition, according to JFA general secretary Kozo Tashima, who caught a glimpse of the Bosnian in the ICU.
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Nosferatu
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#86
Nije on u komi vec blokiranih misica i pod sedativima - ukoliko moraju da disu za njega tj. ukoliko je na ventilatoru, s cjevcicom, niz grlo. Obicno ljudi mogu u takvim uslovima da cuju sta im se kaze, a i ako doza sedativa nije velika, da klimnu glavom Da ili Ne odgovore.
Inace - od mozdanih udara obicno, kazem obicno, se ne komira. Iz razloga sto ili te nema ili te ima. Mozdani udari koji se desavaju u cerebrumu, tj. u ljevoji i desnoj hemisferi, obicno ne ubijaju ali ostavljaju deficite invalidnine, od lakseg do tezeg stupnja. Oni koji ubijaju se desavaj u brain stem tj. dio koji konektira mozak s kraljeznicom/kicmenom mozdinom jer se tu nalaze centri za disanje.
Postoje i dvije vrste udara, iskemicni i hemorganicni, tj. tromboza ili krvarenje, od kojih se prvi desava u oko 90% a drugi u 10% slucajeva, tretiraju se drukcije, ali krvarenje se uglavnom desava kod ljudi s visokom krvnim pritiskom, sto govore da je osim imao, ali takodje - moguce je i sa srcanim problemima stvoriti tromb, tj. ugrusati krv, ovo je nauricto prisutno ukoliko dodje do srcane aritimije ili ukoliko odkucaji srca nisu sinhronizirani.
Sve u svemu - Svabo je imao mozdani udar, a ne srcani, i nalazi se na intenzivnoj njezi. Razlika izmedju intenzivne njega i ostalih je - sto na inventizvnoj njezi, obicno, moraju ljudski zivot suportovati aparatima, najceces ventilatorima, a ljude stavljaju na iste da bi olaksali napor, i omugcili da je osoba u kontroliranim uslovima. Sto znaci da ljudi koji su tu - obicno nisu stabilni, tj. situacija se mjenja, svako par sati. Rok za intervenciju u slucaju iskemicnog udara je 3 sata, period unutar kojeg se moze administrirati tkz. clot-buster ljek kojim se "tope trombovi", medjutim u slucaju krvarenja u mozak, ono moze pod a) stati samo od sebe tj. konvertirati se, ili se mora intervenirati u ovom slucaju neuro-hirurzi to moraju uraditi, i radi se o zivotu ili smrt, dakle. Za poboljsanje nekakvih mali deficita - niko se nece usuditi da to ucini jer je previse riskantno.
Zbog toga je timing tj. vrijeme - od udara do hospitalizacije - najbitnija stavak, pored one primarane a ta je - gdje se je udar desio. Vrijeme = odumrli dio mozga. Posto kazu da je u 2 ujutro, ne znam sta da mislim, jer moguce je da su mislili da spava, i da ga je neko pokusao probuti nakon X sati sna - i nije mogao. A moguce je i da je u 2 ujutro mu pozlilo, da je imao visok pritisak i kako to kazu Ameri "sensation of imepending doom" tj. osjecja kako da ce nesto vrlo lose da se desi. U tom slucaju - hospitaliziran je vjerovatno na vrijeme, i uvjeren sam od onog malo sto znam o Japancima, znam da imaju zdravstvo na nivou, narucito za ljude kao Osim koji su bili pioniri neceg u cemu Japanci su uvijek, kaskali za svijetom a zove se sport, gdje pokusavaju da uhvate prikljucak i potvrde svoje kvalitete i u tome.
Sve u svemu, ukoliko je na ventilatoru radi se o tezem mozdanom udaru, jer to nije standardni protokol, tj. vecina ljudi nije na ventilatoru poslje udara. Kad se kaze da je stanje stabilno - mislim da tu misle i na dodatne mozdane udare, jer je poznato da i mozdani udari, ili se desi vise manjih udara u isto vrijeme ili se desi da par udara se desi jedan za drugim. Takodje postoje i udari u kojima dodje samo do parcijalne obstrukcije, koja moze da postane kompletna ili da se reverzira, ukoliko se stavi stent, i ukoliko je osoba na anti-coagulativnoj terapiji.
Uglavnom, ne preostaje nam nista nego da cekamo, za neke pouzdanije vjesti, koje se nece desiti dokle je god Osim kritican, jer familiji nije ni do koga osim do njih samih, sto treba razumjeti, postovati i uvaziti, iako nas sviju interesuje - na cemu smo.
Kad sve rezimiram, ne znam da li bi mi teze palo, Osima gledati, kao invalida, znajuci koliko je srca, imao taj covjek, ili prihvatiti da ga nema. Bilo kako god, navijac sam Sarajeva, koji je cijelog zivota, samo na jednu stvar bio zavidan Zelji. A to je sto moj klub, nije nikada imao, covjeka kao Osim. To je cinjenica, i fakat, koji je mozda i presudio, da Zeljo nikad ne postane, mali klub u sjeni Sarajeva...
Inace - od mozdanih udara obicno, kazem obicno, se ne komira. Iz razloga sto ili te nema ili te ima. Mozdani udari koji se desavaju u cerebrumu, tj. u ljevoji i desnoj hemisferi, obicno ne ubijaju ali ostavljaju deficite invalidnine, od lakseg do tezeg stupnja. Oni koji ubijaju se desavaj u brain stem tj. dio koji konektira mozak s kraljeznicom/kicmenom mozdinom jer se tu nalaze centri za disanje.
Postoje i dvije vrste udara, iskemicni i hemorganicni, tj. tromboza ili krvarenje, od kojih se prvi desava u oko 90% a drugi u 10% slucajeva, tretiraju se drukcije, ali krvarenje se uglavnom desava kod ljudi s visokom krvnim pritiskom, sto govore da je osim imao, ali takodje - moguce je i sa srcanim problemima stvoriti tromb, tj. ugrusati krv, ovo je nauricto prisutno ukoliko dodje do srcane aritimije ili ukoliko odkucaji srca nisu sinhronizirani.
Sve u svemu - Svabo je imao mozdani udar, a ne srcani, i nalazi se na intenzivnoj njezi. Razlika izmedju intenzivne njega i ostalih je - sto na inventizvnoj njezi, obicno, moraju ljudski zivot suportovati aparatima, najceces ventilatorima, a ljude stavljaju na iste da bi olaksali napor, i omugcili da je osoba u kontroliranim uslovima. Sto znaci da ljudi koji su tu - obicno nisu stabilni, tj. situacija se mjenja, svako par sati. Rok za intervenciju u slucaju iskemicnog udara je 3 sata, period unutar kojeg se moze administrirati tkz. clot-buster ljek kojim se "tope trombovi", medjutim u slucaju krvarenja u mozak, ono moze pod a) stati samo od sebe tj. konvertirati se, ili se mora intervenirati u ovom slucaju neuro-hirurzi to moraju uraditi, i radi se o zivotu ili smrt, dakle. Za poboljsanje nekakvih mali deficita - niko se nece usuditi da to ucini jer je previse riskantno.
Zbog toga je timing tj. vrijeme - od udara do hospitalizacije - najbitnija stavak, pored one primarane a ta je - gdje se je udar desio. Vrijeme = odumrli dio mozga. Posto kazu da je u 2 ujutro, ne znam sta da mislim, jer moguce je da su mislili da spava, i da ga je neko pokusao probuti nakon X sati sna - i nije mogao. A moguce je i da je u 2 ujutro mu pozlilo, da je imao visok pritisak i kako to kazu Ameri "sensation of imepending doom" tj. osjecja kako da ce nesto vrlo lose da se desi. U tom slucaju - hospitaliziran je vjerovatno na vrijeme, i uvjeren sam od onog malo sto znam o Japancima, znam da imaju zdravstvo na nivou, narucito za ljude kao Osim koji su bili pioniri neceg u cemu Japanci su uvijek, kaskali za svijetom a zove se sport, gdje pokusavaju da uhvate prikljucak i potvrde svoje kvalitete i u tome.
Sve u svemu, ukoliko je na ventilatoru radi se o tezem mozdanom udaru, jer to nije standardni protokol, tj. vecina ljudi nije na ventilatoru poslje udara. Kad se kaze da je stanje stabilno - mislim da tu misle i na dodatne mozdane udare, jer je poznato da i mozdani udari, ili se desi vise manjih udara u isto vrijeme ili se desi da par udara se desi jedan za drugim. Takodje postoje i udari u kojima dodje samo do parcijalne obstrukcije, koja moze da postane kompletna ili da se reverzira, ukoliko se stavi stent, i ukoliko je osoba na anti-coagulativnoj terapiji.
Uglavnom, ne preostaje nam nista nego da cekamo, za neke pouzdanije vjesti, koje se nece desiti dokle je god Osim kritican, jer familiji nije ni do koga osim do njih samih, sto treba razumjeti, postovati i uvaziti, iako nas sviju interesuje - na cemu smo.
Kad sve rezimiram, ne znam da li bi mi teze palo, Osima gledati, kao invalida, znajuci koliko je srca, imao taj covjek, ili prihvatiti da ga nema. Bilo kako god, navijac sam Sarajeva, koji je cijelog zivota, samo na jednu stvar bio zavidan Zelji. A to je sto moj klub, nije nikada imao, covjeka kao Osim. To je cinjenica, i fakat, koji je mozda i presudio, da Zeljo nikad ne postane, mali klub u sjeni Sarajeva...
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The_Fluid
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#89
Japan coach Osim showing signs of improvement after stroke
Nov 18 08:13 AM US/Eastern
Japan national soccer coach Ivica Osim is showing signs of improvement after suffering a serious stroke, Japan Football Association General Secretary Kozo Tashima said Sunday.
"It is still touch and go but there are signs that his condition is improving as a result of his strength and the treatment he has been receiving," Tashima told reporters.
The Bosnian coach, who took charge of the national team after the 2006 World Cup, collapsed in the early hours of Friday morning (on Nov. 16) at his house and was taken to a hospital in Urayasu, east of Tokyo, where he is in intensive care.
Osim is still unconscious but his condition has taken a turn for the better according to doctors' observations. Osim's eldest daughter arrived in Japan on Sunday and is by his side at the hospital with his wife.
Tashima said there has been a steady stream of get-well messages coming in for Osim from fellow coaches, players and leading figures in the soccer world.
He revealed Sepp Blatter, head of soccer's world governing body FIFA, expressed concern over Osim's condition in a phone call and said former Japan coach Zico had also sent a message expressing hope for his recovery.
Osim has suffered heart problems and high blood pressure in recent years.
Nov 18 08:13 AM US/Eastern
Japan national soccer coach Ivica Osim is showing signs of improvement after suffering a serious stroke, Japan Football Association General Secretary Kozo Tashima said Sunday.
"It is still touch and go but there are signs that his condition is improving as a result of his strength and the treatment he has been receiving," Tashima told reporters.
The Bosnian coach, who took charge of the national team after the 2006 World Cup, collapsed in the early hours of Friday morning (on Nov. 16) at his house and was taken to a hospital in Urayasu, east of Tokyo, where he is in intensive care.
Osim is still unconscious but his condition has taken a turn for the better according to doctors' observations. Osim's eldest daughter arrived in Japan on Sunday and is by his side at the hospital with his wife.
Tashima said there has been a steady stream of get-well messages coming in for Osim from fellow coaches, players and leading figures in the soccer world.
He revealed Sepp Blatter, head of soccer's world governing body FIFA, expressed concern over Osim's condition in a phone call and said former Japan coach Zico had also sent a message expressing hope for his recovery.
Osim has suffered heart problems and high blood pressure in recent years.
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SilentWhisper
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#91
hvala Bogu covjeku bolje!!!!!!
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The_Fluid
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#96
Japan coach Osim improving steadily after stroke
TOKYO, Nov. 19
Japan national coach Ivica Osim has gotten past the most critical stage on his way to recovery after suffering a serious stroke, Japan Football Association General Secretary Kozo Tashima said Monday.
''He is past the most crucial point on his way to recovery. He's not out of the woods yet, but his progress looks good,'' Tashima told reporters.
TOKYO, Nov. 19
Japan national coach Ivica Osim has gotten past the most critical stage on his way to recovery after suffering a serious stroke, Japan Football Association General Secretary Kozo Tashima said Monday.
''He is past the most crucial point on his way to recovery. He's not out of the woods yet, but his progress looks good,'' Tashima told reporters.
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fantom slobode
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#97
Kazu da mu se stanje stabilizovalo, nadajmo se najboljem, stvar je vremena, sto duze je ziv, vise sansi da ce ostati ziv.Nakon 6 mjeseci, ostaju samo posljedice i rehabilitacija.Nasem Svabi sve najbolje.
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max_power
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#98
Odlicna vijest.
Ivica Osim više nije u kritičnom stanju
Trener japanske nogometne reprezentacije Ivica Osim uspješno se oporavlja od moždanog udara kojeg je doživio prošle sedmice, saopćio je u ponedjeljak jedan od zvaničnika Japanskog nogometnog saveza.
http://www.sarajevo-x.com/clanak/071119118
Sad se sjetih da nasa reprezentacija treba da igra protiv Japana krajem januara u Japanu. Sigurno ce se odgoditi sada poslije svega ovoga.
Ivica Osim više nije u kritičnom stanju
Trener japanske nogometne reprezentacije Ivica Osim uspješno se oporavlja od moždanog udara kojeg je doživio prošle sedmice, saopćio je u ponedjeljak jedan od zvaničnika Japanskog nogometnog saveza.
http://www.sarajevo-x.com/clanak/071119118
Sad se sjetih da nasa reprezentacija treba da igra protiv Japana krajem januara u Japanu. Sigurno ce se odgoditi sada poslije svega ovoga.
