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#76

Posted: 06/12/2006 21:46
by SherlockHolmes
danas wrote:
freak_with_a_laptop wrote:
Svemirski_Jebach wrote: Ja sam ovdje 5 mjeseci ali znao sam citati i prije sto sam ovdje dosao. To nema nikakve veze jer ti mozes biti u americi milion godina a da nista o njoj nauciti neces jer si zaslijepljenja onim sto cujes a ne razumijes.
:lol: :lol: :lol: 5 mjeseci????? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Izvini, al ti prvi poce da kakis na Bosnu i da primjere dajes, kako smo mi nekuRturni i nepismeni - eeeee mali, ja kad sam zivila u USA, ti si u pelene srao. A nisam zivila 5 mjeseci, vec 5 godina, i ne u vukojebini, nego u NYC i u Seattle.

A znas sta? Poseri se ti na sve te knjige i na svoje znanje, jer tebi fali osnovna kultura, dostojanstvo.
eh, ali 5 mjeseci na columbia vrijedi ko tri obicna ljudksa vijeka :D :D :D
columbia = harlem tamo prema bronxu = nesto izmedju gorice i kobilje glave :D

#77

Posted: 06/12/2006 21:49
by wels
Eto,ja danas da prikljucim vodu u novoj kuhinji :-D u novom stanu :-D :-
i da bi zavrno glavni ventil moram cekat tamo neke odozgo. Do kada?
Pojma nemam.Dabogda da i prekosutra bude gotovo.

E jebem ti Evropu. :x

#78

Posted: 06/12/2006 21:50
by freak_with_a_laptop
Nosferatu wrote:Sto se tice mrtvih u Iraku evo stranice po kojoj se ja orijentisem, jer ne vjerujem nikome, al' vjerujem vise - ovoj stranici nego ostalim.

ttp://www.iraqbodycount.org/editorial_june1203.php

Procjena mrtvih do sada - izmedju 48 i 55.000 ljudi. Sto je zalosno. Ali jos zalosnije je da se te cifre pumpaju na skoro 10-rostruko vece, da bi neki istrazitelj Public School-a iz Baltimora napravio studij svoje karijere.
Nosferatu - ne vrijedi oko toga se svadjati. Ko bi tacnu cifru znao? Znam ono sto vidim na TV ekranu, a to je ... da je USA donijela velko zlo u tu zemlju. Da neduzni civili ginu iz dana u dan i da je motiv napada na Irak bio lazan. Sve to stvara jednu ruznu sliku Amerike.

Jedino sto ne mogu da shvatim a i ne mogu da svarim, to je ... zasto vi, izbjeglice, ulazete toliko truda da spasite obraz Amerike? Ja znam more ljudi u USA, rodjenih Amerikanaca, koji ostro kritikuju svoju vladu i ne pokusavaju da stvar uljepsaju.

#79

Posted: 06/12/2006 21:51
by pitt
SherlockHolmes wrote:@pitt

Blize civilizaciji, a sto dalje od kolonija :D

Bez zajebancije, ako vec moras vani onda je (opet po meni), skoro bilo koja zemlja u zapadnoj Evropi puno bolji izbor. Ovo, naravno, pod pretpostavkom, da mozes naci normalan posao i srediti zivot u nekim granicama normale.
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Ne znam, ja nikad ne bih izabrao neke zapadnoevropske zemlje iz licnih razloga al ne smatrram sad ljude koji su to odabrali budalama :? Svako ima svoje, meni je u USA lijepo :D Jos samo da mi je adrianu potkaciti :-)

#80

Posted: 06/12/2006 21:52
by Nosferatu
Top 10 Largest National Jewish Populations
Rank Nation Number
1 USA 5,602,000
2 Israel 4,390,000
3 Russia 1,450,000
4 France 640,000
5 Canada 350,000
6 United Kingdom 320,000
7 Argentina 250,000
8 Brazil 150,000
9 Australia 92,000
10 South Africa 70,000

Top 10 U.S. States With Highest Proportion
of Jews in the Population, 1995
(including nonreligious cultural/ethnic Jews)
Rank State Percent Number
1 New York 9.10% 1,654,000
2 New Jersey 5.50 436,000
3 Florida 4.60 641,000
4 Washington, D.C. 4.50 2,000
5 Massachusetts 4.40 268,000
6 Maryland 4.20 211,000
7 Connecticut 3.00 97,000
8 California 2.90 922,000
9 Pennsylvania 2.70 330,000
10 Illinois 2.30 268,000


Inace jos da napisem sta o Jevrejima ovdje. Jevreji su dosli u Ameriku iz Spanije. Prvo su bili protjerani u Brazil u doba kad je kontingent stigao i u Bosnu i Hercegovinu. Iz Brazila su onda nakon kraceg vremena opet protjerani i kao takvi dosli su u New Amsterdam tj. New York danasnji. To je bila jedina od 12 kolonija koje je dozvolila Jevrejima da budu prihvaceni. Ostalih 11 kolonija - su bile izrazito kriscansko-fundamentalisticke tj. nisu dozvoljavalje velike vjerske slobode. Jevrejima il' nisu dozvoljavali da zive u njima uopste il' jesu ali nisu mogli drzati nikakvu sluzbu niti se baviti zanatom/trgovinom a to je osnova Jevrejske moci i snage. New Amsterdam je bio drukciji od svih kolonija jer su ga osnovali Holandjani a Holandjani su bili trgovci i moreplovci - i imali su i sami veliki % Jevreja - npr Ajax se do dana danasnjeg naziva Jevrejskim fudbalskim timom a to sve jer su stadion imali na juznoj strani Jevrejskog kvarta u Amsterdamu, tako da ko je god od navijaca dolazio da vidi svoj tim na gostujucem terenu - morao je prolaziti kroz taj Jevrejski kvart - pa su i njih nazvali Jevrejima. Uglavnom - Holandjani su dakle, od Amerike stvorili Ameriku. Jer - njihova filozofija - trgovina s kim bilo i kako god, samo da se ostvari profit i ne gleanje na bilo kakvu spolnu, vjersku i rasnu pripadnost - su fundmenti koji izgradili progresivnu Ameriku. Medjutim - kriscanska struja je jos uvijek ostala i prilicno jaka - npr. na Jugu zemlje. I jos jedna stvar kad govorimo o profesorima, gotovo 25-50% profesora na mojih fakultetima su bili Jevreji. A Jevreji predstavljaju 1-2% ukupne populacije u USA. To dovljno govori o disproporcijonalnoj kolicini obrazovanja i akumulacije kapitala. Npr. 5th Avenu u NYC poznata po prodavnicama dragulja i nakita - jos uvijek operira tajnim privatnim linijama - izmedju Jevreja - gdje jedni drugima preprodaju dijamante i drago kamenje i svasta nesto - iz npr Amsterdama u NYC al' nastoje da odrze biznis striktno u rukama Jevreja. I svaki dil se sklapa - meni se cini sa nekom Jevrejskom rijeci - poslje koje kao nema ljutnje ni na kupca ni na prodavaca, ako je jedan drugog zeznuo - jer su oni ipak - Jevreji.

#81

Posted: 06/12/2006 21:52
by stickitout
wels wrote:Eto,ja danas da prikljucim vodu u novoj kuhinji :-D u novom stanu :-D :-
i da bi zavrno glavni ventil moram cekat tamo neke odozgo. Do kada?
Pojma nemam.Dabogda da i prekosutra bude gotovo.

E jebem ti Evropu.
E Amerika je bolja, kuce k'o od karata, du'ne Poseidon jaci joint i povali cijeli grad :D

#82

Posted: 06/12/2006 21:53
by SherlockHolmes
kazem, ko zeli, nije bas upucen itd. ko ti je sad adriana?? jos se nije rodilo sto ti ne bi potkacio :D

#83

Posted: 06/12/2006 21:53
by DONY
Ahmmed wrote:
Grom iz vedra neba wrote:Da li bi neko mogao odgovoriti na ova pitanja ako zna tacne podatke?

-Koliko ima muslimana u Americi procentualno?

-Koliko ima jevreja u Americi procentualno?

-Koliko jevreja ima u Kongresu i Senatu i u Bushovoj administraciji?

I ne bi bilo loše, da znamo obrazovnu strukturu muslimana u SAD!

Tek tada, Grome, možemo raspravljati u kontekstu podataka koje si ti tražio!
Bravo Ahmmede...to je osnovni problem muslimana u cijelom svijetu,pa i u Americi....


Brojcano ima skoro isto jevreja i muslimana u USA(oko 7 miliona).
Nema jevreja koji ima manje od zavrsenog fakulteta.A procenat muslimana sa zavrsenim fakulteteom je vrlo ,vrlo mali.Sumnjam da prelazi 10%.Nisam siguran u ovaj posljednji podatak.

#84

Posted: 06/12/2006 21:55
by Svemirski_Jebach
da, a kao alternativu mozemo postaviti dansku ii francusku u kojoj ne mozes obuci sta zelis u skoli.

a da, znam ja da bi bio sretan iseliti mene i ljude koji nesto za boga znaju, a kao alternativu naseliti cetnike, ustase, vehabije, seke, peke, cane, jane i ostali nepismeni olos.

Nije bitno koliko si negdje, ima puno ljudi koji zive u npr austriji 20 godina a maltene ni rijeci njemackog ne znaju.

Ne kazem da sam uvijek u pravu, al argumentuj mi bilo koju svoju tvrdnju. (A tebe izuzimam ovdje ;) )

S besmislenim tvrdnjama uz mahalski ton ja i ti nemamo sta da razgovoramo.

#85

Posted: 06/12/2006 21:57
by stickitout
S'tim sto je jevrejska malo starija od muslimanske u A mericci :D Talijansku da ne pominjem :D

#86

Posted: 06/12/2006 21:59
by wels
stickitout wrote:
wels wrote:Eto,ja danas da prikljucim vodu u novoj kuhinji :-D u novom stanu :-D :-
i da bi zavrno glavni ventil moram cekat tamo neke odozgo. Do kada?
Pojma nemam.Dabogda da i prekosutra bude gotovo.

E jebem ti Evropu.
E Amerika je bolja, kuce k'o od karata, du'ne Poseidon jaci joint i povali cijeli grad :D
Jes,a ovde sleti sleper u Dunav i pola pokrajine u NJemackoj poplavi :D

#87

Posted: 06/12/2006 22:00
by pitt
SherlockHolmes wrote:kazem, ko zeli, nije bas upucen itd. ko ti je sad adriana?? jos se nije rodilo sto ti ne bi potkacio :D
Pa ja sad za sad zelim...isto tako ih ima sto zele po evropi zivjet pa ne mislim da su budale. :)
A adriana je .....eh.....ko vas jebe kad u evropi nist mogli gledat victoria secret fashion show :D:D:D gdje li je onaj seha da posalje snimak :D:D men se cini da sam ga vidio iza stejdza sa kamerom u ruci :D:D

#88

Posted: 06/12/2006 22:00
by rashomon
Moramo imati na umu da bijelci u Americi imaju uglavnom evropsko porijeklo, znači da se slažem sa SJ bar kada je u pitanju ta stvar!
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http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/20 ... rover.html

Quran controversy: Prager plans to keep pressing issue

The decision by incoming Rep. Keith Ellison -- who will be the first Muslim member of Congress -- to be sworn in on a Quran has lit up the blogosphere since radio talk show host Dennis Prager wrote in his Townhall.com blog Tuesday that the Minnesota Democrat "should not be allowed to do so -- not because of any American hostility to the Koran, but because the act undermines American civilization."

Today, Prager told USA TODAY's Andrea Stone that he's going to keep pressing the issue, though he conceded that trying to ban Ellison from choosing to use a Quran "may well be" unconstitutional. He'll be writing and talking about this issue again, Prager said.

After Prager's column, conservative bloggers jumped on the story this week with both feet, prompted in part by an "ActionAlert" from the American Family Association calling on them to

"send an email asking your U.S. Representative and Senators to pass a law making the Bible the book used in the swearing-in ceremony of representatives and senators."

Liberals bloggers got into the act too. "The extremism of Dennis Prager gives all conservatives a bad name," wrote Chris at The Nookular Option.

Glenn Reynolds at Instapundit, an often independent voice, had this to say: "Prager's argument that oaths must be on the Bible is absolutely nonsensical."

Stone, who wrote about the controversy in USA TODAY this morning, reports that today Prager said it would be just as wrong for Jews to use the Torah, or what Christians call the Old Testament, as it would be for Ellison to use the Quran.

"I'm not arguing legality. I'm arguing what you should do," he said, saying that even though he is a religious Jew, he would take an oath of public office using the Christian Bible, which includes the Old and New Testaments.

"The New Testament is not my Bible but it is America's Bible," he said, noting that Jewish officeholders who had insisted on the Hebrew Bible were "secularists" who didn't believe what was in it anyway.

For his part, Ellison has told the Minnesota Monitor that "the Constitution guarantees for everyone to take the oath of office on whichever book they prefer. And that's what the freedom of religion is all about."

#89

Posted: 06/12/2006 22:03
by Grom iz vedra neba
DONY wrote:
Ahmmed wrote:
Grom iz vedra neba wrote:Da li bi neko mogao odgovoriti na ova pitanja ako zna tacne podatke?

-Koliko ima muslimana u Americi procentualno?

-Koliko ima jevreja u Americi procentualno?

-Koliko jevreja ima u Kongresu i Senatu i u Bushovoj administraciji?

I ne bi bilo loše, da znamo obrazovnu strukturu muslimana u SAD!

Tek tada, Grome, možemo raspravljati u kontekstu podataka koje si ti tražio!
Bravo Ahmmede...to je osnovni problem muslimana u cijelom svijetu,pa i u Americi....


Brojcano ima skoro isto jevreja i muslimana u USA(oko 7 miliona).
Nema jevreja koji ima manje od zavrsenog fakulteta.A procenat muslimana sa zavrsenim fakulteteom je vrlo ,vrlo mali.Sumnjam da prelazi 10%.Nisam siguran u ovaj posljednji podatak.
Mislim da taj podatak nije tacan. Muslimani su barem prema onom sto sam ja slusao na americkim tv stanicama, obrazovaniji dio amerike od prosjecnog amerikanca. Ali volio bih da neko da konkretne podatke.

#90

Posted: 06/12/2006 22:03
by stickitout
wels wrote:
stickitout wrote:
wels wrote:Eto,ja danas da prikljucim vodu u novoj kuhinji :-D u novom stanu :-D :-
i da bi zavrno glavni ventil moram cekat tamo neke odozgo. Do kada?
Pojma nemam.Dabogda da i prekosutra bude gotovo.

E jebem ti Evropu.
E Amerika je bolja, kuce k'o od karata, du'ne Poseidon jaci joint i povali cijeli grad :D
Jes,a ovde sleti sleper u Dunav i pola pokrajine u NJemackoj poplavi :D


:lol: :lol: :lol: P malo je manja Europa ipak :D

#91

Posted: 06/12/2006 22:04
by Svemirski_Jebach
eh pa kad muslimani budu vise ucili a manje se bavili supljom i budalestinama onda cemo mozda nesto i napraviti.

Ja kritikujem ameriku gdje mislim da treba i sto se iraka tice, sigurno treba. ono sto hocu reci i sto je sustina svih mojih postova je da uprkos losim stvarima amerika jeste i pokazala se ponovo kao najjaca, jer je probrodila krizu sa republikancima i narod je dao do znanja da zeli promjene i to nabolje.

#92

Posted: 06/12/2006 22:04
by Nosferatu
freak_with_a_laptop wrote:
Nosferatu wrote:Sto se tice mrtvih u Iraku evo stranice po kojoj se ja orijentisem, jer ne vjerujem nikome, al' vjerujem vise - ovoj stranici nego ostalim.

ttp://www.iraqbodycount.org/editorial_june1203.php

Procjena mrtvih do sada - izmedju 48 i 55.000 ljudi. Sto je zalosno. Ali jos zalosnije je da se te cifre pumpaju na skoro 10-rostruko vece, da bi neki istrazitelj Public School-a iz Baltimora napravio studij svoje karijere.
Nosferatu - ne vrijedi oko toga se svadjati. Ko bi tacnu cifru znao? Znam ono sto vidim na TV ekranu, a to je ... da je USA donijela velko zlo u tu zemlju. Da neduzni civili ginu iz dana u dan i da je motiv napada na Irak bio lazan. Sve to stvara jednu ruznu sliku Amerike.

Jedino sto ne mogu da shvatim a i ne mogu da svarim, to je ... zasto vi, izbjeglice, ulazete toliko truda da spasite obraz Amerike? Ja znam more ljudi u USA, rodjenih Amerikanaca, koji ostro kritikuju svoju vladu i ne pokusavaju da stvar uljepsaju.
Pazi, Amerika i njen uticaj na Irak - i preuzimanje uloge Britanije tj. zastupanje Britanskih interesa na tom terenu - je tema koja ima dijapazon od 150 godina. Dakle - nije nista nastalo juce, samo moze je juce pocelo se manifestirati.

Sami Shijje, Suni i Kurdi - imaju jako mnogo prljavog masla izmedju sebe, ma sta ko govorio. Suni su manjina u Iraku koja je podrzavala relativno Saddama i natjerali su Shijje da sa svojom bracom iz Irana zarate. Shijje danas predstavljaju vecinu u Iraku i tako demokratija nije optimalno rijesenje jer - Shijje su one koje bi se pitale u takvom sistemu. Na drugu ruku Amerika ima problem u pridobijanju Shijja na svoju stranu radi Irana - i svo maslo koje se vidi na tv ekranu je upravo taj trokut Amerika- Shijje iz Iraka - Iran. Te Shijje i njihove opredjeljenje ce biti fundamentalni faktori stabilizacije Iraka. Nadalje - umjereni Sunni dakle ljudi koji su iz provincija gdje Sunni nisu vecina i koji su zivjeli sa Shijjam i zenili se i nisu na to obracali paznju jer su bili u socijalistickom uredenju gdje su nacionalini interesi predstavljeni kao jedinim, iako je ispod njih se dobro osjecala ta neka etnicka divizija, ti Suni isto tako moraju poceti kontrolirati desnicu svoju koja pomaze Al-Qaidi i teroristima. Ukoliko to ne bude moguce - moze doci do civilnog rata sa Shijjama iz Iraka i Irana, koji ce htjeti se ujediniti, Sunnima koji ce dovesti sve i jednog Vehabiju i drugog miltatnog lika koji je voljan da nosi pusku - u Irak, i Kurda koji ce uraditi sve da dodju do svoje neke drzave iako se tome suprotstavlja Turska - kojoj valjda trebaju te cuke, planine i vukojebine na sjeveru zemlje. Uglavnom - citava istorija Islama - je puna konflikta i to upravo na ovom podrucju - od Suni-Shija, do Vehabija koji su protjerali i pobili sve do Karbale pa preko danasnjih ratova Irak-Iran, Irak-Kuvajt, Saudijska arabije trosi 13 milijardi dollara da izgradi zid sa kamerama i osmatracnicama - uzduz cijele svoje granice sa Irakom jer se plasi - da ce i ona u slucaju nekog rata - biti ukljucena u konflikt. Dakle - treba situaciju sagledati - iz mikro i makro perspektive. Nemam sta braniti Ameriku - al' ne mogu je ni napadati u odredjenim sferama jer znam da Americka vojska bi najsretnija bila da se smiri sve u Iraku i da oni izgrade svoje baze i krenu pumpati naftu iz te zemlje - a % toga u zavisnosti koliko je jaka Iracka vlast - vrate narodu da se zemlja izgraduje i ide neku naprijed. Medjutim - ovo je vrijeme svodjena racuna kad svaka strana zeli da vidi tacno koliko je to ona jaka - i da na toj pukoj snazi - dobije neke ustupke politicke i na terenu koji ce kasnije znaciti i samu vlast, a vlast u Iraku znaci novac, i to tankeri i sleperi novca, a ne samo bijedni koji milioncic.

#93

Posted: 06/12/2006 22:05
by Svemirski_Jebach
eh pa kad muslimani budu vise ucili a manje se bavili supljom i budalestinama onda cemo mozda nesto i napraviti.

Ja kritikujem ameriku gdje mislim da treba i sto se iraka tice, sigurno treba. ono sto hocu reci i sto je sustina svih mojih postova je da uprkos losim stvarima amerika jeste i pokazala se ponovo kao najjaca, jer je probrodila krizu sa republikancima i narod je dao do znanja da zeli promjene i to nabolje.

I da - nisam ja izbjeglica. Nisam ja otisao iz bosne sto je ne volim il sto mi je bilo lose, nego zato da bi ostvario ono sto mislim da ce mi biti korisno.

#94

Posted: 06/12/2006 22:06
by SherlockHolmes
pitt wrote:
SherlockHolmes wrote:kazem, ko zeli, nije bas upucen itd. ko ti je sad adriana?? jos se nije rodilo sto ti ne bi potkacio :D
Pa ja sad za sad zelim...isto tako ih ima sto zele po evropi zivjet pa ne mislim da su budale. :)
A adriana je .....eh.....ko vas jebe kad u evropi nist mogli gledat victoria secret fashion show :D:D:D gdje li je onaj seha da posalje snimak :D:D men se cini da sam ga vidio iza stejdza sa kamerom u ruci :D:D
Je li ona Lima? :D Eto i Brazilke prisvajate, a niko da se sjeti pravih americkih seksipila, npr Rosie O'Donell :D

Vadi se bolan odatle, do kad ce te kapitalisti ugnjetavati?? :D Imate odmora za nedajboze smrtnog slucaja i eventualno brzopoteznog las vegasa, samo $$$ prolazi gdje god krenes, svi ti se plasticno osmjehuju a mozak im jedino nakon "jumpstarta" proradi i to samo ako u tebi vide $$$ i tako to :D ne bih sada uopsteno :D

#95

Posted: 06/12/2006 22:06
by danas
Ahmmed wrote:
Grom iz vedra neba wrote:Da li bi neko mogao odgovoriti na ova pitanja ako zna tacne podatke?

-Koliko ima muslimana u Americi procentualno?

-Koliko ima jevreja u Americi procentualno?

-Koliko jevreja ima u Kongresu i Senatu i u Bushovoj administraciji?

I ne bi bilo loše, da znamo obrazovnu strukturu muslimana u SAD!

Tek tada, Grome, možemo raspravljati u kontekstu podataka koje si ti tražio!
muslimanski imigranti su jedna od najobrazovanijih manjina u u USA:
Moslem immigrants of recent years boast exceptionally high levels of education. A 1999 survey found that 52 percent of them have a graduate degree.

South Asians appear to be the best educated of all. (Exceptions to this pattern do exist, of course: Yemeni farmers, Iraqi soldiers, and most illegal immigrants are far less educated.) This impressive fact results in part from the Moslem community in North America drawing disproportionately on the elites. Very often it is the best educated who come to settle in the United States. Some of the most talented members of society are establishing new lives in the West.

Immigrant Moslems tend to concentrate in the professional and entrepreneurial vocations, and especially in engineering and medicine, which jointly employ about one-third of Moslems in the United States.

With such high educational levels, it comes as no surprise that many members of this community have done well; average income for Moslems appears to be higher than the U.S. national average. Although new, the community boasts a good share of millionaires as well as many other accomplished individuals (including one Nobel Prize winner in chemistry, Ahmed H. Zewail, and such notables as the movie actor Omar Sharif, the basketball player Hakeem Olajuwon, and the model Iman). Moslem Americans proudly say that theirs is "the richest Moslem society on earth" (as Muqtedar Khan put it in the December 1995 edition of the Message), and they are right; more than that, it may be the most accomplished.

vise na: http://www.falange.us/facesof.htm -- uzas od stranice :-?

#96

Posted: 06/12/2006 22:06
by freak_with_a_laptop
Svemirski_Jebach wrote:da, a kao alternativu mozemo postaviti dansku ii francusku u kojoj ne mozes obuci sta zelis u skoli.

a da, znam ja da bi bio sretan iseliti mene i ljude koji nesto za boga znaju, a kao alternativu naseliti cetnike, ustase, vehabije, seke, peke, cane, jane i ostali nepismeni olos.

Nije bitno koliko si negdje, ima puno ljudi koji zive u npr austriji 20 godina a maltene ni rijeci njemackog ne znaju.

Ne kazem da sam uvijek u pravu, al argumentuj mi bilo koju svoju tvrdnju. (A tebe izuzimam ovdje ;) )

S besmislenim tvrdnjama uz mahalski ton ja i ti nemamo sta da razgovoramo.
Ma ti se usro do za vrat, i sebe i Columbiu i sve ... samo nedam na NYC, tamo mi plaho lijepo bi - PRIJE 2001!!!

I ne spominji mahalce, nemoj ih samo ti spominjat, jer medju mojim mahalcima ima ljudina, kojima ti nisi dostojan ni ruku da pruzis, a kamo li sta vise.

#97

Posted: 06/12/2006 22:08
by Svemirski_Jebach
eto to je lijepo. i kaze ne da im amerika priliku...nemojte mi toga.

#98

Posted: 06/12/2006 22:09
by pitt
SherlockHolmes wrote:
pitt wrote:
SherlockHolmes wrote:kazem, ko zeli, nije bas upucen itd. ko ti je sad adriana?? jos se nije rodilo sto ti ne bi potkacio :D
Pa ja sad za sad zelim...isto tako ih ima sto zele po evropi zivjet pa ne mislim da su budale. :)
A adriana je .....eh.....ko vas jebe kad u evropi nist mogli gledat victoria secret fashion show :D:D:D gdje li je onaj seha da posalje snimak :D:D men se cini da sam ga vidio iza stejdza sa kamerom u ruci :D:D
Je li ona Lima? :D Eto i Brazilke prisvajate, a niko da se sjeti pravih americkih seksipila, npr Rosie O'Donell :D

Vadi se bolan odatle, do kad ce te kapitalisti ugnjetavati?? :D Imate odmora za nedajboze smrtnog slucaja i eventualno brzopoteznog las vegasa, samo $$$ prolazi gdje god krenes, svi ti se plasticno osmjehuju a mozak im jedino nakon "jumpstarta" proradi i to samo ako u tebi vide $$$ i tako to :D ne bih sada uopsteno :D
Pa ne moras sa amerima vrijeme provoditi. Od ljudi sto se druzim imaju 3 amera samo....ostalo je ko UN. odmora imam 5 sedmica placenog....vjeruj da ne znam kako ga potrositi :D
A lima je moja bumbatre :D:D

#99

Posted: 06/12/2006 22:11
by Svemirski_Jebach
freak_with_a_laptop wrote:
Svemirski_Jebach wrote:da, a kao alternativu mozemo postaviti dansku ii francusku u kojoj ne mozes obuci sta zelis u skoli.

a da, znam ja da bi bio sretan iseliti mene i ljude koji nesto za boga znaju, a kao alternativu naseliti cetnike, ustase, vehabije, seke, peke, cane, jane i ostali nepismeni olos.

Nije bitno koliko si negdje, ima puno ljudi koji zive u npr austriji 20 godina a maltene ni rijeci njemackog ne znaju.

Ne kazem da sam uvijek u pravu, al argumentuj mi bilo koju svoju tvrdnju. (A tebe izuzimam ovdje ;) )

S besmislenim tvrdnjama uz mahalski ton ja i ti nemamo sta da razgovoramo.
Ma ti se usro do za vrat, i sebe i Columbiu i sve ... samo nedam na NYC, tamo mi plaho lijepo bi - PRIJE 2001!!!

I ne spominji mahalce, nemoj ih samo ti spominjat, jer medju mojim mahalcima ima ljudina, kojima ti nisi dostojan ni ruku da pruzis, a kamo li sta vise.
vrlo dobro znas sta je mahalska rasprava i nemoj se praviti mutava.

Svaka cast svakom dobrom covjeku kakav god on bio...al svako ima svoje granice i nije sve bas nije za svakoga.

Hocu reci ne mijesaj meni ovdje te emocionalne tirade, razgovaramo uz argumente.

a sad moram na predavanja...valja ucit. :roll:

#100

Posted: 06/12/2006 22:13
by pitt
Iz Wall Street Journala (kapitalisticka bagra) :D:D

THE MELTING POT

Stars, Stripes, Crescent
A reassuring portrait of America's Muslims.

BY BRET STEPHENS AND JOSEPH RAGO
Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT

Ever since it became clear that three of the four jihadis who bombed London on July 7 were born and bred in England, the British have been taking a hard look at their Muslim neighbors: Do they share the same values? How do they fare economically? Whom do they cheer when England plays Pakistan at cricket? And how many more would-be bombers are among them?

As it happens, Her Majesty's government was well clued on these questions before the bombers struck: A 2004 Home Office study showed, for example, that British Muslims are three times likelier to be unemployed than the wider population, that their rates of civic participation are low, and that as many as 26% do not feel loyal to Britain. By contrast, the U.S. Census Bureau is forbidden by law from keeping figures on religious identification (although it collects voluminous information on race and ethnicity), so there are no authoritative data on the size and nature of America's Muslim population. Yet if the U.S. is ever attacked by American jihadis, we will no doubt ask the same questions about our Muslim community that Britons are now asking about theirs.


Here is what we know.
First, let's dispose of the common misconception that Arab-Americans and Muslim Americans are one and the same. In fact, most Arab-Americans aren't Muslim, and most Muslim Americans aren't Arab. According to the 2000 census, there are 1.2 million Americans of Arab descent, of whom only 24% (according to a survey by the Arab American Institute) are Muslim. As for the rest, they are mainly Catholic, Eastern Orthodox or Protestant. They are also highly successful, with an above-average median household income of $52,000 and an astonishing intermarriage rate of over 75%, suggesting they are well on their way toward blending into the great American melting pot.

Information on American Muslims is sketchier. Thanks to a 2004 Zogby International survey, we know that a plurality of Muslim Americans--about one-third--are of South Asian descent; 26% are Arab and another 20% are American blacks. But until 2001 we had no idea how many Muslims lived in America, and even now the figure remains a matter of intense controversy. All major Muslim advocacy groups put the number at above six million, which, as Daniel Pipes of the Middle East Forum observes, has the convenience of being higher than the American Jewish population. Yet all independent surveys put the real figure at no more than three million, while the most credible study to date, by Tom Smith of the University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center, estimates total Muslim population at 1,886,000. "[It] is hard to accept that Muslims are greater than one percent of the population," he writes.

Whatever the real figure, what's reasonably clear is that Muslim Americans, like Arab-Americans, have fared well in the U.S. The Zogby survey found that 59% of American Muslims have at least an undergraduate education, making them the most highly educated group in America. Muslim Americans are also the richest Muslim community in the world, with four in five earning more than $25,000 a year and one in three more than $75,000. They tend to be employed in professional fields, and most own stock, either personally or through 401(k) or pension plans. In terms of civic participation, 82% are registered to vote, half of them as Democrats. Interestingly, however, the survey found that 65% of Muslim Americans favor lowering the income tax.





In these respects, Muslim Americans differ from Muslim communities in Britain and Continental Europe, which tend to be poor and socially marginalized. Four other features set American Muslims apart.
First, unlike in Europe the overwhelming majority of Muslims arrived here legally, and many of those who didn't were deported after Sept. 11, 2001. Currently, according to Ali Al-Ahmed of the Washington-based Saudi Institute, there are probably no more than a few thousand Muslim illegal immigrants in the U.S.


Second, 21% of Muslim Americans intermarry, according to the 2001 Religious Identification Survey of the City University of New York--close to the national rate of 22% of Americans who marry outside their religion. And because 64% of Muslim Americans are foreign born, there is reason to expect that figure to grow among second and third generations.

Third, according to Ishan Bagby, a professor at the University of Kentucky who recently made a study of mosque attendance in Detroit, the average mosque-goer is 34 years old, married with children, has at least a bachelor's degree, and earns about $74,000 a year. If this is representative of Muslim Americans as a whole, it suggests that the religiously committed among them hardly fit the profile of the alienated, angry young Muslim men so common today in Europe.


Finally, Muslim Americans benefit from leaders who, despite some notable exceptions, are generally more responsible than Muslim leaders in Britain and Europe. Just compare the forthright condemnations of terrorism by the Los Angeles-based Muslim Public Affairs Council to the cunningly ambiguous utterances of France's Tariq Ramadan, to say nothing of the openly jihadist positions of some of Britain's most notorious imams.


So does the U.S. have a "Muslim problem"? If the data above are accurate, they strongly suggest we do not; on the contrary, America's Muslims tend to be role models both as Americans and as Muslims. But that does not mean there aren't any problems. One comes in the form of U.S. mosques funded by Saudi Arabia, which can serve as a conduit for the kingdom's extreme Wahhabist brand of Islam. Mr. Al-Ahmed calls these mosques "an incubator for suicide bombings and terrorism." Another is that, while most American Muslims have successfully integrated into American life, there remain culturally isolated and impoverished enclaves of Muslim immigrants. It was in just such an enclave in Jersey City, N.J., that the disciples of Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman planned the 1993 World Trade Center bombings. Similarly, in Lodi, Calif., where two Pakistani men have been charged with attending terrorist training camps, some 80% of the Pakistani community does not speak adequate English.





Hanging over all this is the question of the long-term trajectory of the American Muslim population. In Britain, as in Germany and France, a striking feature of the Islamist movement is that it has taken root among second-generation Muslims, whose disenchantment with their Western lives is matched by the romanticist appeals of ethnic authenticity and religious purity. America's mostly foreign-born Muslims are perhaps less susceptible to this. But that's no guarantee their children won't be seduced. Then, too, neither a first-rate Western education nor economic affluence offers any inoculation against extremism: Just look at the careers of 9/11 ringleader Mohamed Atta, educated at the Technical University of Hamburg, or Daniel Pearl killer Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, who did undergraduate work at the London School of Economics.
It takes no more than a few men (or women) to carry out a terrorist atrocity, and there can be no guarantee the U.S. is immune from homegrown Islamist terror. But if it can be said that "it takes a village" to make a terrorist, the U.S. enjoys a measure of safety that our European allies do not. It is a blessing we will continue to enjoy as long as we remain an upwardly mobile, assimilating--and watchful--society.

Mr. Stephens is a member of The Wall Street Journal's editorial board. Mr. Rago, a recent graduate of Dartmouth, is a Journal editorial page intern.