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Haqqani
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#79
DAMIR ABDULKERIM MIRKOVIC
BOLJI COVJEK
Ne zeli da ljudi koji ne razumiju njegove motive ispiraju usta novim imenom i zato je iznimno talentirani i vrijedni bek sarajevske Bosne i nase reprezentacije pristao da za Dane pojasni zasto i kako je postao Abdulkerim. Osim toga, Mirkovic prica o "Bosninim" sansama u Evropi, svojim ambicijama u kosarci, odrastanju u ratu, o tome zasto je Konakovic pravi vodja te zbog cega nema kosarkaskog uzora...
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Razgovarao: SenadPECANIN
DA, JA SAM ABDULKERIM: I vrijeme je da se to zna. Meni je zadnja zelja bila da, kada sam u augustu ove godine uzeo to ime, ljudi koji ne razumiju moje motive ispiraju usta sa mnom. Ta moja odluka od mene moze samo napraviti bolju osobu nego sto sam prije bio. Moja odluka nije dosla preko noci, odjednom. Radi se o procesu. Ja sam zivio u nacionalno mjesovitoj porodici, ali uz potpunu slobodu za vlastitim nacionalnim opredjeljenjem. Mogao sam da budem ono sto sam htio. Znam da ima puno kontroverzi oko mog imena i ovo je prilika da ih razjasnim. Ja nisam promijenio svoje ime, samo sam dodao ime, kako se to kaze, kod Boga. To je Abdulkerim. Ja sam bio kod starog hadzije Sadica, koji mi je ucio ezan. Sve je proslo po vjerskim propisima, uz saglasnost mojih roditelja. U samom pocetku kada sam to uradio, cak me je ponijela i jedna euforija. Htio sam odmah da ubacim ime i u rodni list, zadrzavajuci svoje. Medjutim, ispostavilo se da je to duga i komplikovana procedura. Onda sam rekao da onaj ko zeli moze da me zove i starim imenom, dok drugi mogu novim. Ja nisam nikome rekao da zaboravi Damira. Sretan sam kad me ljudi zovu Kerim, jer su to ljudi koji su shvatili motive moje odluke. No, ne smatram da i oni koji me zovu Damir ne shvataju ono sto sam ucinio.
GLAVNI MOTIV ZA PROMJENU IMENA LEZI U MOM ODNOSU PREMA BOGU: Najvazniji je bio duhovni momenat, moj odnos prema Bogu. Mnogo stvari u mom zivotu na mene je uticalo. Kada sam sklopio mozaik, shvatio sam i rekao sebi: to je to! To je, jednostavno, kao da mi se upalilo svjetlo. Jednostavno, neobjasnjiva je stvar. Mislim da je to jace i od mene i od vas i od sviju nas. Meni se to desilo i mislim da sam mnogo bogatiji covjek nego sto sam bio. Moram napomenuti, svjestan sam toga, to je stvar koja od mene moze naciniti samo bolju osobu nego sto sam bio. Uspijevam moje lose osobine odbaciti ili ih umanjiti.
BILO JE I ONIH KOJI SU MISLILI DA SAM SKRENUO: Sve sto se desavalo poslije promjene imena ja sam na neki nacin i ocekivao. Bilo je ljudi koji su presretni, bilo im je drago, a medju njima i onima koji ranije nisu znali sta sam ja ustvari. Bilo je i onih koji ne shvacaju, bilo je nevjerice, cudjenja. Mogu reci i da je bilo ljudi bez imalo razumijevanja, koji su mislili da nisam u redu, da sam malo skrenuo. No, meni je najvaznije ono sto osjecam, a ovo je najvece blago koje mi se desilo. To je tako i ja bih najsretniji bio da se moze isto mnogima desiti. Ranije je dolazilo do apsurdnih situacija. Cesto sam se zaticao u drustvu koje razgovara o temama koje meni ne odgovaraju. Sudeci po mom imenu i prezimenu, mislili su da sam neko drugi, pa bi mi cesto govorili: "Izvini, pa ja sam mislio da si ti to i to." Sada sam siguran da je dosta ljudi promijenilo stav i sada vjerovatno ni nece reci neke stvari koje su preda mnom ranije govorili.
BOLJI COVJEK
Ne zeli da ljudi koji ne razumiju njegove motive ispiraju usta novim imenom i zato je iznimno talentirani i vrijedni bek sarajevske Bosne i nase reprezentacije pristao da za Dane pojasni zasto i kako je postao Abdulkerim. Osim toga, Mirkovic prica o "Bosninim" sansama u Evropi, svojim ambicijama u kosarci, odrastanju u ratu, o tome zasto je Konakovic pravi vodja te zbog cega nema kosarkaskog uzora...
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Razgovarao: SenadPECANIN
DA, JA SAM ABDULKERIM: I vrijeme je da se to zna. Meni je zadnja zelja bila da, kada sam u augustu ove godine uzeo to ime, ljudi koji ne razumiju moje motive ispiraju usta sa mnom. Ta moja odluka od mene moze samo napraviti bolju osobu nego sto sam prije bio. Moja odluka nije dosla preko noci, odjednom. Radi se o procesu. Ja sam zivio u nacionalno mjesovitoj porodici, ali uz potpunu slobodu za vlastitim nacionalnim opredjeljenjem. Mogao sam da budem ono sto sam htio. Znam da ima puno kontroverzi oko mog imena i ovo je prilika da ih razjasnim. Ja nisam promijenio svoje ime, samo sam dodao ime, kako se to kaze, kod Boga. To je Abdulkerim. Ja sam bio kod starog hadzije Sadica, koji mi je ucio ezan. Sve je proslo po vjerskim propisima, uz saglasnost mojih roditelja. U samom pocetku kada sam to uradio, cak me je ponijela i jedna euforija. Htio sam odmah da ubacim ime i u rodni list, zadrzavajuci svoje. Medjutim, ispostavilo se da je to duga i komplikovana procedura. Onda sam rekao da onaj ko zeli moze da me zove i starim imenom, dok drugi mogu novim. Ja nisam nikome rekao da zaboravi Damira. Sretan sam kad me ljudi zovu Kerim, jer su to ljudi koji su shvatili motive moje odluke. No, ne smatram da i oni koji me zovu Damir ne shvataju ono sto sam ucinio.
GLAVNI MOTIV ZA PROMJENU IMENA LEZI U MOM ODNOSU PREMA BOGU: Najvazniji je bio duhovni momenat, moj odnos prema Bogu. Mnogo stvari u mom zivotu na mene je uticalo. Kada sam sklopio mozaik, shvatio sam i rekao sebi: to je to! To je, jednostavno, kao da mi se upalilo svjetlo. Jednostavno, neobjasnjiva je stvar. Mislim da je to jace i od mene i od vas i od sviju nas. Meni se to desilo i mislim da sam mnogo bogatiji covjek nego sto sam bio. Moram napomenuti, svjestan sam toga, to je stvar koja od mene moze naciniti samo bolju osobu nego sto sam bio. Uspijevam moje lose osobine odbaciti ili ih umanjiti.
BILO JE I ONIH KOJI SU MISLILI DA SAM SKRENUO: Sve sto se desavalo poslije promjene imena ja sam na neki nacin i ocekivao. Bilo je ljudi koji su presretni, bilo im je drago, a medju njima i onima koji ranije nisu znali sta sam ja ustvari. Bilo je i onih koji ne shvacaju, bilo je nevjerice, cudjenja. Mogu reci i da je bilo ljudi bez imalo razumijevanja, koji su mislili da nisam u redu, da sam malo skrenuo. No, meni je najvaznije ono sto osjecam, a ovo je najvece blago koje mi se desilo. To je tako i ja bih najsretniji bio da se moze isto mnogima desiti. Ranije je dolazilo do apsurdnih situacija. Cesto sam se zaticao u drustvu koje razgovara o temama koje meni ne odgovaraju. Sudeci po mom imenu i prezimenu, mislili su da sam neko drugi, pa bi mi cesto govorili: "Izvini, pa ja sam mislio da si ti to i to." Sada sam siguran da je dosta ljudi promijenilo stav i sada vjerovatno ni nece reci neke stvari koje su preda mnom ranije govorili.
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Isabell
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#80
Ljudi mijenjaju vjeru samo ako nisu dovoljno upoznati sa onom u kojoj su odrasli. Sto je to posebno sto nudi islam u odnosu na katolicanstvo, budizam ili bilo koju drugu vjeru?
Svaka osoba koja je vjernik (tj. ako zivi po pravilima svoje vjere) ne bitno koje, je dobra osoba. Niti jedna vjera ne propovjeda nasilje, zlo i mrznju. Dakle vjerovati u bozanstva bilo koje vrste garantira dobrog covjeka. ALi ISTINSKI vjerovati.
No ni vjera nije iskljuciva. Puno je ljudi koji su ateisti. I savrseni su. Znaci to nije najbitnija stvar u zivotu jedne osobe. Samo je stvar u organizaciji zivota. Najbitnije je biti dobar covjek - sve ostalo su sitnice.....
Svaka osoba koja je vjernik (tj. ako zivi po pravilima svoje vjere) ne bitno koje, je dobra osoba. Niti jedna vjera ne propovjeda nasilje, zlo i mrznju. Dakle vjerovati u bozanstva bilo koje vrste garantira dobrog covjeka. ALi ISTINSKI vjerovati.
No ni vjera nije iskljuciva. Puno je ljudi koji su ateisti. I savrseni su. Znaci to nije najbitnija stvar u zivotu jedne osobe. Samo je stvar u organizaciji zivota. Najbitnije je biti dobar covjek - sve ostalo su sitnice.....
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Teufik iz Los Angelesa
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#81
Isabell wrote:Ljudi mijenjaju vjeru samo ako nisu dovoljno upoznati sa onom u kojoj su odrasli. Sto je to posebno sto nudi islam u odnosu na katolicanstvo, budizam ili bilo koju drugu vjeru?
Svaka osoba koja je vjernik (tj. ako zivi po pravilima svoje vjere) ne bitno koje, je dobra osoba. Niti jedna vjera ne propovjeda nasilje, zlo i mrznju. Dakle vjerovati u bozanstva bilo koje vrste garantira dobrog covjeka. ALi ISTINSKI vjerovati.
No ni vjera nije iskljuciva. Puno je ljudi koji su ateisti. I savrseni su. Znaci to nije najbitnija stvar u zivotu jedne osobe. Samo je stvar u organizaciji zivota. Najbitnije je biti dobar covjek - sve ostalo su sitnice.....
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mr__bosnjak
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#82
Ne slazem seIsabell wrote:Ljudi mijenjaju vjeru samo ako nisu dovoljno upoznati sa onom u kojoj su odrasli. Sto je to posebno sto nudi islam u odnosu na katolicanstvo, budizam ili bilo koju drugu vjeru?
Svaka osoba koja je vjernik (tj. ako zivi po pravilima svoje vjere) ne bitno koje, je dobra osoba. Niti jedna vjera ne propovjeda nasilje, zlo i mrznju. Dakle vjerovati u bozanstva bilo koje vrste garantira dobrog covjeka. ALi ISTINSKI vjerovati.
No ni vjera nije iskljuciva. Puno je ljudi koji su ateisti. I savrseni su. Znaci to nije najbitnija stvar u zivotu jedne osobe. Samo je stvar u organizaciji zivota. Najbitnije je biti dobar covjek - sve ostalo su sitnice.....
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Haqqani
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#83
Isabell wrote:Ljudi mijenjaju vjeru samo ako nisu dovoljno upoznati sa onom u kojoj su odrasli. Sto je to posebno sto nudi islam u odnosu na katolicanstvo, budizam ili bilo koju drugu vjeru?
Svaka osoba koja je vjernik (tj. ako zivi po pravilima svoje vjere) ne bitno koje, je dobra osoba. Niti jedna vjera ne propovjeda nasilje, zlo i mrznju. Dakle vjerovati u bozanstva bilo koje vrste garantira dobrog covjeka. ALi ISTINSKI vjerovati.
No ni vjera nije iskljuciva. Puno je ljudi koji su ateisti. I savrseni su. Znaci to nije najbitnija stvar u zivotu jedne osobe. Samo je stvar u organizaciji zivota. Najbitnije je biti dobar covjek - sve ostalo su sitnice.....
Kako onda komentarises da svestenici prelaze na Islam?
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Haqqani
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#89
MARTIN LINGS
Martin Lings (Abu Bakr Siraj Ad-Din), who has died aged 96, was a public-school educated Englishman who converted to Islam, spent many years as keeper of oriental manuscripts and printed books at the British Museum, and is best known as the author of a life of Muhammad. Only 10 days before his death, he addressed an audience of 3,000 at the Wembley conference centre on the occasion of the prophet's birthday; earlier this year, he travelled to Egypt, Dubai, Pakistan and Malaysia.
Lings was born in Burnage, Lancashire, but spent his early childhood in the United States, where his father's work had taken him. On his return to England, he went to Clifton College, Bristol, where he became head boy, and read English at Magdalen College, Oxford, where he became a close friend of CS Lewis. In 1935, he went to Lithuania to lecture on Anglo-Saxon and Middle English.
He travelled to Egypt in 1940, originally to visit a friend who was lecturing at Cairo University. During the visit, his friend died in a riding accident and Lings was offered the post. It was at about this time that he converted to Islam, and was soon imbued with the Sufi dimension of the religion. He found the critique of modern civilisation by the French Muslim writer, René Guénon, particularly convincing and shared his "universalism", within the context of Islam.
In 1944, Lings married Lesley Smalley, and their home in a village at the foot of the pyramids provided a refuge for both Egyptian and foreign visitors. The highlight of the year was Lings's annual production of a Shakespeare play. His passion inspired the student cast, one of whom became an Egyptian film star. His understanding of Shakespeare's spiritual significance led, 40 years later, to his book, The Secret Of Shakespeare: His Greatest Plays Seen In The Light Of Sacred Art.
Lings might have been content to remain in Egypt for the rest of his life, but political events intervened. Abdul Nasser's nationalist revolution was preceded by savage anti-British riots, in which three of Lings's colleagues were killed, and the British university staff were dismissed without recompense.
Back in London in 1952, and without a job, Lings decided to study, while Lesley, a physiotherapist, went back to work. After taking a BA in Arabic studies, he received his doctorate from the School of Oriental and African Studies (Soas) for a thesis on the great Algerian Sufi, Ahmad al-Alawi. This was the basis for one of his most influential books, A Sufi Saint Of The Twentieth Century, recognised as a unique view of Islamic spirituality seen from within.
In 1955, he joined the staff of the British Museum as assistant keeper of oriental printed books and manuscripts; he was keeper from 1970 to 1973, when he was seconded to the British Library. This work focused his interest in Qur'anic calligraphy and he published a classic work on the subject, The Qur'anic Art Of Calligraphy And Illumination, to coincide with the 1976 World of Islam Festival, with which he was closely involved.
From then on, he wrote constantly. For Muslims, his masterpiece was Muhammad: His Life Based On The Earliest Sources (1983), for which he was decorated by Zia al-Haq, then president of Pakistan.
Among his 12 books was The Eleventh Hour (1987), a profound study of the spiritual crisis of the mod- ern world, for which he had prepared the ground with Ancient Beliefs And Modern Superstitions (1965), and What Is Sufism? (1975), a corrective to many mis- understandings about this aspect of Islam. Symbol And Archetype: A Study Of The Meaning Of Existence (1991) demonstrated his grasp of traditional symbolism.
His interest in the symbolism of colours found expression in his talent for gardening. From his home in Kent, he would search far and wide for a particular specimen, seeking, for example, a shade of blue that perfectly reflected the perfection of heaven.
Lings remained serene, tolerant and patient to the end. His wife survives him.
· Martin Lings (Abu Bakr Siraj Ad-Din), Islamic scholar, born January 24 1909; died May 12 2005
Martin Lings (Abu Bakr Siraj Ad-Din), who has died aged 96, was a public-school educated Englishman who converted to Islam, spent many years as keeper of oriental manuscripts and printed books at the British Museum, and is best known as the author of a life of Muhammad. Only 10 days before his death, he addressed an audience of 3,000 at the Wembley conference centre on the occasion of the prophet's birthday; earlier this year, he travelled to Egypt, Dubai, Pakistan and Malaysia.
Lings was born in Burnage, Lancashire, but spent his early childhood in the United States, where his father's work had taken him. On his return to England, he went to Clifton College, Bristol, where he became head boy, and read English at Magdalen College, Oxford, where he became a close friend of CS Lewis. In 1935, he went to Lithuania to lecture on Anglo-Saxon and Middle English.
He travelled to Egypt in 1940, originally to visit a friend who was lecturing at Cairo University. During the visit, his friend died in a riding accident and Lings was offered the post. It was at about this time that he converted to Islam, and was soon imbued with the Sufi dimension of the religion. He found the critique of modern civilisation by the French Muslim writer, René Guénon, particularly convincing and shared his "universalism", within the context of Islam.
In 1944, Lings married Lesley Smalley, and their home in a village at the foot of the pyramids provided a refuge for both Egyptian and foreign visitors. The highlight of the year was Lings's annual production of a Shakespeare play. His passion inspired the student cast, one of whom became an Egyptian film star. His understanding of Shakespeare's spiritual significance led, 40 years later, to his book, The Secret Of Shakespeare: His Greatest Plays Seen In The Light Of Sacred Art.
Lings might have been content to remain in Egypt for the rest of his life, but political events intervened. Abdul Nasser's nationalist revolution was preceded by savage anti-British riots, in which three of Lings's colleagues were killed, and the British university staff were dismissed without recompense.
Back in London in 1952, and without a job, Lings decided to study, while Lesley, a physiotherapist, went back to work. After taking a BA in Arabic studies, he received his doctorate from the School of Oriental and African Studies (Soas) for a thesis on the great Algerian Sufi, Ahmad al-Alawi. This was the basis for one of his most influential books, A Sufi Saint Of The Twentieth Century, recognised as a unique view of Islamic spirituality seen from within.
In 1955, he joined the staff of the British Museum as assistant keeper of oriental printed books and manuscripts; he was keeper from 1970 to 1973, when he was seconded to the British Library. This work focused his interest in Qur'anic calligraphy and he published a classic work on the subject, The Qur'anic Art Of Calligraphy And Illumination, to coincide with the 1976 World of Islam Festival, with which he was closely involved.
From then on, he wrote constantly. For Muslims, his masterpiece was Muhammad: His Life Based On The Earliest Sources (1983), for which he was decorated by Zia al-Haq, then president of Pakistan.
Among his 12 books was The Eleventh Hour (1987), a profound study of the spiritual crisis of the mod- ern world, for which he had prepared the ground with Ancient Beliefs And Modern Superstitions (1965), and What Is Sufism? (1975), a corrective to many mis- understandings about this aspect of Islam. Symbol And Archetype: A Study Of The Meaning Of Existence (1991) demonstrated his grasp of traditional symbolism.
His interest in the symbolism of colours found expression in his talent for gardening. From his home in Kent, he would search far and wide for a particular specimen, seeking, for example, a shade of blue that perfectly reflected the perfection of heaven.
Lings remained serene, tolerant and patient to the end. His wife survives him.
· Martin Lings (Abu Bakr Siraj Ad-Din), Islamic scholar, born January 24 1909; died May 12 2005
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Haqqani
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#90
Halali , molim te .Beatrice_22 wrote:znala sam (sufijo?) da na pitanja koja nisu chat ne odgovaras.
iskreno, nisam jos srela sufiju koji se toliko boji... pitanja
ali dobro, svakom njegovo - u samoci i tisini je lako biti... miran.
Koje pitanje?
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Haqqani
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#91
NICOLAS ANELKA
By Steve Stammers
Evening Standard:
The bizarre career of Nicolas Anelka took another amazing twist today when he said he would probably quit English football after converting to Islam.
Anelka claimed he was ready to walk out on his six-year contract with Manchester City and play for a team in the United Arab Emirates.
The former French international, whose career has been littered with fall-outs with clubs and managers, has spent the last week in Saudi Arabia and the UAE. Yesterday he was thought to have been in Mecca, the holiest place of worship in the Islamic faith.
He told France Football magazine: "I am ready to stay here and to play for a club in the Emirates. I am not keen to go back to England or France."
Anelka was speaking after his official conversion to Islam, and at the Al-Wassl mosque in UAE read out several verses of the Koran in front of two muftis, senior legal figures in the community who specialise in advising on the Islamic holy book.
The 25-year-old has spoken before about his interest in the religion. In 1999, he said he was inspired by his boyhood friends in the working class community of Trappes, on the outskirts of Paris.
"The Muslim religion interests me," he said. "When I'm in Trappes, I hang out with Muslims and we discuss it a lot. In the summer we're outdoors until 4am, so we have the time to talk.
"I listen to them in order to understand and learn, just like Roberto Baggio on Buddhism. It opens your mind and the subject fascinates me, just like astronomy does."
Earlier this year, it was reported he had visited the state-funded school in London founded by Yusef Islam, formerly the singer Cat Stevens.
Now it appears his conversion is now complete and a new chapter is about to start in his controversial life.
Many thought the talented striker might be representing France at Euro 2004 but after falling out with the previous manager Roger Lemerre, current boss Jacques Santini refused to have him back, despite Anelka making an apology.
He signed for City two summers ago for £13million but last season he appeared unsettled again.
He first came to English football as an 18-year-old when Arsene Wenger spotted his talent.
He helped Arsenal to the Double in 1998 but alienated fans by demanding to leave for Real Madrid, to whom he was sold for more than £23m, a profit of more than £22m.
Controversy there led to a move to Paris St Germain and he came close to joining Liverpool after a loan spell at Anfield.
But thoughts of a permanent deal were abandoned when he clashed with Gerard Houllier before he revived his career at City.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/foo ... ce=Evening
By Steve Stammers
Evening Standard:
The bizarre career of Nicolas Anelka took another amazing twist today when he said he would probably quit English football after converting to Islam.
Anelka claimed he was ready to walk out on his six-year contract with Manchester City and play for a team in the United Arab Emirates.
The former French international, whose career has been littered with fall-outs with clubs and managers, has spent the last week in Saudi Arabia and the UAE. Yesterday he was thought to have been in Mecca, the holiest place of worship in the Islamic faith.
He told France Football magazine: "I am ready to stay here and to play for a club in the Emirates. I am not keen to go back to England or France."
Anelka was speaking after his official conversion to Islam, and at the Al-Wassl mosque in UAE read out several verses of the Koran in front of two muftis, senior legal figures in the community who specialise in advising on the Islamic holy book.
The 25-year-old has spoken before about his interest in the religion. In 1999, he said he was inspired by his boyhood friends in the working class community of Trappes, on the outskirts of Paris.
"The Muslim religion interests me," he said. "When I'm in Trappes, I hang out with Muslims and we discuss it a lot. In the summer we're outdoors until 4am, so we have the time to talk.
"I listen to them in order to understand and learn, just like Roberto Baggio on Buddhism. It opens your mind and the subject fascinates me, just like astronomy does."
Earlier this year, it was reported he had visited the state-funded school in London founded by Yusef Islam, formerly the singer Cat Stevens.
Now it appears his conversion is now complete and a new chapter is about to start in his controversial life.
Many thought the talented striker might be representing France at Euro 2004 but after falling out with the previous manager Roger Lemerre, current boss Jacques Santini refused to have him back, despite Anelka making an apology.
He signed for City two summers ago for £13million but last season he appeared unsettled again.
He first came to English football as an 18-year-old when Arsene Wenger spotted his talent.
He helped Arsenal to the Double in 1998 but alienated fans by demanding to leave for Real Madrid, to whom he was sold for more than £23m, a profit of more than £22m.
Controversy there led to a move to Paris St Germain and he came close to joining Liverpool after a loan spell at Anfield.
But thoughts of a permanent deal were abandoned when he clashed with Gerard Houllier before he revived his career at City.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/foo ... ce=Evening
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Haqqani
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#92
Beatrice_22 wrote:Haqqani wrote:Isabell wrote:Ljudi mijenjaju vjeru samo ako nisu dovoljno upoznati sa onom u kojoj su odrasli. Sto je to posebno sto nudi islam u odnosu na katolicanstvo, budizam ili bilo koju drugu vjeru?
Svaka osoba koja je vjernik (tj. ako zivi po pravilima svoje vjere) ne bitno koje, je dobra osoba. Niti jedna vjera ne propovjeda nasilje, zlo i mrznju. Dakle vjerovati u bozanstva bilo koje vrste garantira dobrog covjeka. ALi ISTINSKI vjerovati.
No ni vjera nije iskljuciva. Puno je ljudi koji su ateisti. I savrseni su. Znaci to nije najbitnija stvar u zivotu jedne osobe. Samo je stvar u organizaciji zivota. Najbitnije je biti dobar covjek - sve ostalo su sitnice.....
Kako onda komentarises da svestenici prelaze na Islam?sta ko biva oni kao predtavnici krscanstva dokazuju kako im ono nije dovoljno?
meni nema razlike izmedju zvestenika i obicnoga covjeka. u stvari, svestenici su obicni ljudi.
meni samo i jedino nije jasno: cmu tolika pompa?
nekome je dovoljno katolicanstvo, nekom pravoslavlje, nekome budizam, nekome materija...
nekome je islam najbolja i najljepsa religija...
ali otkud ta zelja da svi budemo isti? meni je to cisti ego koji dokazuje da drugog osim sebe ne mozemo voljeti. to je ono sto mi najvise smeta.
a ne shvatate, filozofi, vjernici i ateisti da VAS, bez nekog DRUGOG - NEMA
Ovdje vidim jedno pitanje, a to je :"ali otkud ta zelja da svi budemo isti".
Ako je meni upuceno , ja nemam zelju da budemo svi isti .
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Ahmmed
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#93
Isabell, stvari su ,ipak, malo složenije....Volio bih kada bi ovdje, neko od ljudi koji je imao to iskustvo, napisao razloge svoje odluke...Već sam pisao o tome, imao sam priliku upoznati nekoliko osoba koje su prešle na islam....Neki od njih, istina,nisu posebno dobro poznavali vjeru u kojoj su bili do tada, neki uopće nisu bili vjernici, no, ima i mnogo onih koji su potpuno prakticirali,recimo, kršćanstvo....Isabell wrote:Ljudi mijenjaju vjeru samo ako nisu dovoljno upoznati sa onom u kojoj su odrasli. Sto je to posebno sto nudi islam u odnosu na katolicanstvo, budizam ili bilo koju drugu vjeru?
Svaka osoba koja je vjernik (tj. ako zivi po pravilima svoje vjere) ne bitno koje, je dobra osoba. Niti jedna vjera ne propovjeda nasilje, zlo i mrznju. Dakle vjerovati u bozanstva bilo koje vrste garantira dobrog covjeka. ALi ISTINSKI vjerovati.
No ni vjera nije iskljuciva. Puno je ljudi koji su ateisti. I savrseni su. Znaci to nije najbitnija stvar u zivotu jedne osobe. Samo je stvar u organizaciji zivota. Najbitnije je biti dobar covjek - sve ostalo su sitnice.....
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Ahmmed
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#94
Da, ali ljudi koji su odlučili preći na islam, ili bilo koju drugu vjeru, očito, imaju razloge za to. Bojim se da i ovom temom, sudimo i presuđujemo u nečemu u čemu nismo imali iskustva i što se nas, na kraju krajeva, ne tiče....Beatrice_22 wrote:ma bilo je pitanja na drugim temama, ali nebitno sad.
pazi - kad kazem isti ne mislim ne neciji psiholoski profil. ne govorim o psihologiji. govorim o shvatanju i slici svijeta, ili ako vec hoces, metafizici, ili ako vec hoces, da, vjeri.
ako je taj jedan vrhovni princip (Bog) to po cemu, u metafizickom smislu, mozemo biti i jednaki, onda je teznja da svi zovemo boga istim imenom teznja da budemo jednaki.
sa druge strane - ako nas je sve stvorio jedan bog - Allah, nismo li onda isti svakako i nije potrebno da iko prelazi igdje, osim na onaj svijet, sto mora?
dakle, zasto je toliko bitno umrijeti sa upravo odredjenim IMENOM Stvoritelja na usnama, ako je svaki dio tvoga bica vec pri rodjenju odredjen istom, jedinom, nedjeljivom stvoriteljskom silom?
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danas
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#95
naravno da nas se ne tice -- tacnije, ne bi nas se trebalo ticati. meni na kraj pameti ne bi palo da postavljam ovdje imena ljudi koji su presli na ovu ili na onu vjeru, ili postali ateisti. njihova licna stvar; niti negira niti potvrdjuje moj licni izbor i moj licni svjetonazor.Ahmmed wrote:
Da, ali ljudi koji su odlučili preći na islam, ili bilo koju drugu vjeru, očito, imaju razloge za to. Bojim se da i ovom temom, sudimo i presuđujemo u nečemu u čemu nismo imali iskustva i što se nas, na kraju krajeva, ne tiče....
a sad objasni ovo podebljano kolegi haqqaniju, kojeg se izgleda sve tice.
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Ahmmed
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#96
Beatrice_22 wrote:Ahmmede, ne sudim bolan ja nikome, samo pitam... joj.Ahmmed wrote:Da, ali ljudi koji su odlučili preći na islam, ili bilo koju drugu vjeru, očito, imaju razloge za to. Bojim se da i ovom temom, sudimo i presuđujemo u nečemu u čemu nismo imali iskustva i što se nas, na kraju krajeva, ne tiče....Beatrice_22 wrote:ma bilo je pitanja na drugim temama, ali nebitno sad.
pazi - kad kazem isti ne mislim ne neciji psiholoski profil. ne govorim o psihologiji. govorim o shvatanju i slici svijeta, ili ako vec hoces, metafizici, ili ako vec hoces, da, vjeri.
ako je taj jedan vrhovni princip (Bog) to po cemu, u metafizickom smislu, mozemo biti i jednaki, onda je teznja da svi zovemo boga istim imenom teznja da budemo jednaki.
sa druge strane - ako nas je sve stvorio jedan bog - Allah, nismo li onda isti svakako i nije potrebno da iko prelazi igdje, osim na onaj svijet, sto mora?
dakle, zasto je toliko bitno umrijeti sa upravo odredjenim IMENOM Stvoritelja na usnama, ako je svaki dio tvoga bica vec pri rodjenju odredjen istom, jedinom, nedjeljivom stvoriteljskom silom?
Čuj, joj
Ko anam ona . Ma, nisam ni mislio samo na tebe, već na sve nas Abla, ma, objasnio bih ja njemu, ali mi poteško ide ta vrsta komuniciranja sa kolegom Haqqanijem
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Ahmmed
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#97
danas wrote:naravno da nas se ne tice -- tacnije, ne bi nas se trebalo ticati. meni na kraj pameti ne bi palo da postavljam ovdje imena ljudi koji su presli na ovu ili na onu vjeru, ili postali ateisti. njihova licna stvar; niti negira niti potvrdjuje moj licni izbor i moj licni svjetonazor.Ahmmed wrote:
Da, ali ljudi koji su odlučili preći na islam, ili bilo koju drugu vjeru, očito, imaju razloge za to. Bojim se da i ovom temom, sudimo i presuđujemo u nečemu u čemu nismo imali iskustva i što se nas, na kraju krajeva, ne tiče....
a sad objasni ovo podebljano kolegi haqqaniju, kojeg se izgleda sve tice.
Znam da me se ne tiče,ali moje dove upućujem Svevišnjem, e da bi ti promijenila i lični izbor i svjetonazor
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danas
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#98
a meni je vidis sasvim svejedno koji je tvoj licni izbor, i kojem se bogu molis ili ne molis... sve dok si dobar i posten covjek...Ahmmed wrote:
Znam da me se ne tiče,ali moje dove upućujem Svevišnjem, e da bi ti promijenila i lični izbor i svjetonazor
ne pada mi na pamet da te mijenjam, i da prizeljkujem da budes poput mene... dobar si mi i predobar bas takav kakav si... jer molis li se ili ne bogu (i kojem bogu) je zadnje po cemu JA cijenim covjeka...
PS a dzaba ti dove
nisam luda pa da me haqo ovdje kaci po forumu
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#100
Ja bih zapravo predlozio nesto konkretno i konstruktvino za one koji imaju nesto protiv ove teme: otvorite vi drugu temu gdje cete negodovat/blatiti/ne slagati se ili sta vec sa Haqqanijem; ili pak otvorite temu o prelasku na, eto krscanstvo; ili jos bolje posto je izgleda u velikom broju slucaja riječ o likovima koji imaju problem sa vjerom, i prije sa samim sobom i strašno su zbog toga nabijeni frustracijama; da nam dakle ti likovi stave temu o nekim koji su konvertirali sa vjere na nevjeru i u tom nasli spas, duhovno ili bilo kakvo drugo smirenje.
Mislim da bi bilo itekako inspirativno i korisno, prije svega za njih same. Ne znam u čem je problem, nek se više skinu. Ako nekom ne smeta da se rapsravlja koje boje gacice je obukla P. Kruz, zasto tolike frustracije prema ovim i ovakvim temama. Ja bi svim takvim demokratiju i slobodu govora o glavu omlatio 
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Mislim da bi bilo itekako inspirativno i korisno, prije svega za njih same. Ne znam u čem je problem, nek se više skinu. Ako nekom ne smeta da se rapsravlja koje boje gacice je obukla P. Kruz, zasto tolike frustracije prema ovim i ovakvim temama. Ja bi svim takvim demokratiju i slobodu govora o glavu omlatio
Zivio Haqqani